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Previous thread: >>52866628

Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™

Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg

EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/wumE7L2f

ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
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Reposting:

Guy looking to buy his first Thinkpad here.
How do I find out the FRU number on Trackpads (T420)?
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>>52882308
Isn't there a sticker on the part?
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>>52882393
I don't know.
I haven't bought the Thinkpad yet.
Check my posts in the other thread >>52881348
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how bad is the p50's FHD screen? I use a lot of photoshop and I don't want to spend >$1000 bucks on a machine that might have a shit monitor, I'm trying to upgrade.
For reference I'm using a 1366 x 768 HD on a Satellite a500
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x230 is the only usable ThinkPad. Prove me wrong
>Ivy Bridge powered, so it doesn't overheat
>2133MHz memory support
>HD4000 instead of the shitty HD3000 GPU
>mSATA port
>perfect dimensions, it's much more portable and mobile than 14,1" laptops
>9cell+9cell options, 25hours of battery life
>works without any bugs and problems with any eGPU
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>>52882308
The trackpad on T420's is built into the palm rest, have to get the whole palm rest assembly.

Also there is a bumpy sticker on the trackpad, you can remove it if you want smooth trackpad instead.

>>52882560
>how bad is the p50's FHD screen?
You mean the one with the built in colorimeter? It can't be that bad...
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I've had the Lenovo x220-t for a year or so now and I love it. Thought for sure /g/ was memeing about thinkpads but for non-gaming applications/General use they're quite nice (the older ones at least, New ones are shit)
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I have an X220 with a Crucial MX100 256GB SSD in it. I was browsing in Windows 7 when suddenly the computer froze and subsequently bsod'd. Upon reboot, I was greeted by error 2100. My ssd wasn't being recognized in the Bios either. However, after a few minutes I rebooted and everything worked again. Could this be evidence that the drive is failing, or is it something else?
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>>52882393
>>52882493
>>52882659
Shit sorry guys, I meant Thinkpad, not Trackpad.
And by Thinkpad I meant keyboard...
If I'll buy the T420 on Ebay, I then need to replace the keyboard with a Nordic one.

Starting to think it might be much more worth it to buy the T420 locally for $295.26.
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just done 1600x900 upgrade my T420 with a innolux panel and the difference is pretty great just would have loved for there to be an IPS panel which fitted as the viewing angles are still shite.
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>>52882657
haswell > ivy bridge
fast ram is meme
no one games in thinkpad anyway
many a thinkpad has msata (t420)
1366x768 kek
9 cell is bulky small laptop resembling cube
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>>52882766
Should be here: https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t420_t420i_hmm.pdf
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>>52882766
try keyboard stickers
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Currently using x200s with C2D 1.6GHz and 2gb ram on linux. I use it just for brownsing the internets but it gets laggy sometimes. Would upgrading ram help or is the CPU the bottleneck?
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>>52883265
if you're using chrome then maybe, but it couldn't hurt to upgrade to 4gb of ram, as i had dell XT2 with a 1.4ghz SU9400 and 5gb of ram and that didn't have much lag, although now core 2 duos are getting a little long in the tooth.
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>>52882888

Upgraded my shitty 1600x900 TN panel to a 1920x1080 IPS today actually. :^)

That's the price you pay for clinging to your ancient models.
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>>52883660
not really ancient as it's a 2012 model T420, but all in with a quad core upgrade, SSD, RAM, HDD ultrabay, screen upgrade, barely in more than £150 for the entire laptop, so i can't really complain about the screen being TN, when it's still miles better than any other laptop under £200.
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>>52883780

Yeah, that's actually pretty ancient.
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>>52883815
even if it still performs better than mid range skylake laptops, the only things which hold it back is that it's missing eDP and M.2, but those aren't too big a thing to lose out on and i can upgrade to AC wireless when i upgrade my router, other than power efficiency it's still perfectly good.
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HELP!!!

My new W530 has a weird problem. It does not stop to create new ethernet-connections. I use it mostly in its docking station. When I switch locations and it activates wifi, I can't get a connection for some time (30s-60s) and have connection problems. Whats going on here? Got the most actual network driver.

When I put it back in its docking station it has some weird "ERR_CONNECTION_CHANGED" errors for some minutes.

I used a T61p in a dock before and there were no problems, beside some BSOD under W8.1 which was the result of incompatible drivers.

>pic related
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>>52883857
>missing eDP and M.2

And that's what makes it ancient.
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>>52883875
eh it's does and still runs lightroom fine and i'm happy so that's all what matters.
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>>52883917
>lightroom

You have a TN panel dude. I hope you're docking or otherwise connecting that shit to a proper IPS panel.
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>>52883941
it's not my main computer i just use when out and about and the new panel is more accurate than the old one despite only being 6 bit, and most of my picture use is tumblr and instagram, so it's enough.
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>>52883071
I can't view this pdf for some reason.
>>52883143
Ew,
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>>52884162
If nordic is the same thing as norwegian, your FRU should be one of those (no idea why there are 3 numers...)
45N2091
45N2161
45N2231
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I love mine but its 1280x800 resolution is nearly inoperable nowadays
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>>52884457
Is it? I think youre overacting. Please take it easy. Having FHD might be preferable to some, but your statement about it being "inoperable" is definitely false.
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>>52884457
>complaining about 1280x800 being too small
>in a ThinkPad thread
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>>52884540
>>52884483
>/g/
>What a loser, he has a HD laptop HRRUFGRR
>1280x800 thinkpad
>IT JUST WERKS
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>>52884618
What are you talking about anon?
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>DAILY REMINDER

THERE ARE MANLETS THAT ACTUALLY USE LAPTOPS WIWTH A 1366x768 DISPLAY IN TWENTY FUCKING SIXTEEN

>B-BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT BAD ON A-A 12 I-INCH SCREEN

Dat back peddling buyer's remorse. 768p is deprecated for literally everything

>Y-YOU'RE JUST MAD YOU CANT FULL SCREEN YOUR GAYMES

No I'm not, I'm mad that there a faggots on /g/ that will let themselves get cucked this hard.
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What would be the fastest way to transfer my important files from my windows 7 desktop to a thinkpad with debian?

>>52884841
I wish there were thinkpads with a 16:10 resolution.
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>>52884841
Fuck off, 768p shill.
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>>52884870
There are. 1280x800 is 16:10.
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>>52884870
the thinkpad classic/retro, is going to be 16:10, it was going to be 4:3 but they couldn't find someone who still makes 4:3 panels.
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Bought the yoga 14, ultrabook. That ThinkPad Experience is lacking but has other features that stick out like ded graphics for a game or two while on the road.

A good computer, but I really wish it had DVI or VGA. That maybe kills the 'ultrabook' experience though.
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>>52885008
you can get DP and HDMI to DVI adaptors.
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>>52882889
>haswell
low voltage shit.
>fast ram is meme
fast ram means much faster iGPU performance
>no one games in thinkpad anyway
speak for yourself, neckbeard.
>many a thinkpad has msata (t420)
limited to SATA II speeds, lmao
>1366x768 kek
1366x768 is perfect on 12,5" screens for 95% of users
>9 cell is bulky small laptop resembling cube
Not a problem for me or nobody I know
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>>52884907
Why would I be defending a cujk resolution????
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What are the advantages of the T61 over the T60?
Also, are they better than the 420?
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So I could either get T400 with 2GB ram or X200 with 4GB ram, are there any major differences accept for the size and ram?
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>>52885644
unless you're collecting thinkpads don't even consider thinkpads which come with a core 2 duo, as they are fairly slow now.
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>>52885939
So which one should I get as my first (and hopefully only) Thinkpad?
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>Live in a country where those "cheap used Thinkpads" cost as a two month's wage
>Eastern Europe
>Will never know the feel of owning one

End me.
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What am I in for if I want to upgrade a T420 to FHD?
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>>52884325

Nordic layout is Swedish, Norwegian, Danish. Plus Finnish.
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>>52885955
Also, how is the T430?
Gdi why are there so many ;_;
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>>52885955
T420 or X220, or the newer equivalents, also it's wise to avoid models with i or S on the end, as they are either lower powered or slimer models which are harder to find spares and batteries for

>>52885994
if you're in an EU country try looking to get one from the UK or germany, as they are fairly cheap and shipping between EU counties doesn't invoke import taxes.
>>52886011
you have to find a specific adaptor board which is expensive and hard to find, and not really worth it, which is why most T420 owners stick with 1600x900 as for that you just swap a cable and the panel which is a 10 minute job.
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>>52886067
>or the newer equivalents
Such as?
>also it's wise to avoid models with i or S on the end, as they are either lower powered or slimer models which are harder to find spares and batteries for
Thanks for that info.
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>>52886117
T430/40/50/60, X230/40/50/60
also from xx30 and newer you can only use official lenovo batteries.
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How are the keyboards on the newer thinkpads? Was looking into getting a x230, but I kind of like the look of the keyboard on my t420
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>>52886153
Hmm, after looking at availability and price, it seems like the T420 is my best choice.
Thanks!
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>>52886261
t420 is great starter one. Cheap and there's a shit ton around. Just make sure you find a model with a 1600x900 screen. The screen quality isn't exactly the greatest and the 768 screen makes it worse.
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I just bought a t420 with a 240gb sandisk ssd and a 1tb hgst hdd. I hope I didn't fuck up.
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>>52886326
it's either that or for £50 you can get the cable and panel.
>>52886398
depends on the screen, processor, and the wireless card.
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>>52886453
It's 1600x900 and has a Intel Core i5-2520M Processor at 2.50GHz, don't know about the wireless card though.
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>>52886503
pretty good then.
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I laser marked my T400.
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>>52883660
How do you do it? I read somewhere you have to buy a different LCD cable?
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>>52885644
T61 has better hardware, but it's something of a moot point considering you can put the motherboard from a T61 into the chassis of a T60 and enjoy the best of both worlds.
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>>52886592
>it will be upside down when you open it up
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Is 2GB ram acceptable if I'm intending to use the machine for general web browsing and coding?
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>>52886616
no you need a board and it's made by the OP of this thread
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=118070
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>>52886632
I'm not that much into modding computers, putting things otu and putting things in.
Just looking for something simple I can shitpost, watch YouTube videos and watch anime/movies from (and maybe make some music as well).
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>>52886778
Go get your T420, then. Leave the actual good Thinkpads to the people who will appreciate them.
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>>52886687

ooʇuǝƃ llɐʇsui<
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I want a Thinkpad to just have one. Was gonna find a t420 but right now I'm looking at a T61P with a core2 duo t7300, quadro 570m graphics for $95. Should I buy?
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>>52887021
no go for the T420.
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>>52887021
Check the label on the bottom with the type and serial number listed on it. If the manufacture date to the right of the serial number is before 08/08, you might be buying a timebomb. The problem was starting to be weeded out as early as 08/02, but only models from 08/08 and on are guaranteed to be safe.
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>>52886453
Isn't it a bitch to upgrade the panels on the 768 T420? I thought I read sometime about needed to install a new cable and a lot of disassembly.
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>>52887115
Nope it's a 07/11 so I guess I'll pass.
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>>52886020
Oh, that's pretty cool, had no idea there's such thing. Too bad there isn't any Slavic layout.
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Is 1440x900 significantly better than 1280x800? I'm considering upgrading my T410 display but I don't know if it's worth the $100
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Who else T400 here?

What OS should I go with besides gentoo?

Also why do I have a thinkpad when I have a phone and a desktop?
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>>52887187
i upgraded mine this afternoon you just have to take off the keyboard and keyboard bezel and the screen bezel, then you swap the cable and install the new screen, it takes less than 10 minutes.
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>>52886805
I can appreciate good hardware, but I'm not good at tinkering with them.
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>>52886805
>T520
>not a good Thinkpad
For the price of a T60 and a T61 together, the performance upgrade isn't worth it.
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>>52887223
>What OS should I go with besides gentoo?
Mate.
>Also why do I have a thinkpad when I have a phone and a desktop?
Because when you're not at your desktop, browsing the internet with a Thinkpad is far more comfy than doing it on a smartphone.
>gluing your face to that tiny screen while using on screen keyboards
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>>52887278
Ahhh okay well I'll look into it some more then. The bump in resolution would be nice for me.
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>>52887349
i didn't think it'd be that big a difference, but it really is.
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Pants-shitting complete. Successfully upgraded the BIOS of my x230 this way:

https://workaround.org/article/updating-the-bios-on-lenovo-laptops-from-linux-using-a-usb-flash-stick/

>yfw upgrading BIOS
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>>52887459
So from what I understand I just need to order a new panel and an HD+ cable right?
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>>52887464
what kind of tech illiterate grandma are you?
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>>52887550
I've been lucky enough to never brick a laptop, but I hear enough horror stories to worry. Especially when the cost of a failure is high.
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>>52887464
that's why you have a USB optical drive, also you better have flashed a BIOS which removes the whitelist
>>52887533
yes this cable 04W1618
and any screen out of this lot, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z51hgWaNE3XKIVtdQCLGWKD8dTvlSCGgbqJiwpVaF_M/edit#gid=0
i've got the innolux and it's pretty good.
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>>52887639
Doesn't exist for the x230 yet. And yeah, I don't have a USB optical drive.

Done it on multiple T60-61 era laptops though.
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>tfw T430s with extra battery in the CD slot

Going strong after half a year. Thanks /g/.
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>>52887682
oh thought it had one my bad.
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>>52887683
that's one hell of a battery life
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>>52887639
Thanks for the info anon. I'll order that stuff soon. I've never opened a laptop before so I hope I don't fuck up
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>>52887707
here's the service manual it tells you how to disassemble the entire laptop
https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t420_t420i_hmm.pdf
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>1366 x 768

Thinkfags don't actually use this resolution, do they?
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What do you guys think of the t510? I can possibly get one for less than 200 at a local shop.
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>>52887801
Got one for my mom, it's a good machine. Beautiful screen, even on the 900p model. Impressive cooling too. It is basically a poor man's T520 but it's a fine computer in its own right nonetheless.
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>>52887801
you should be able to get one for under $100
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>>52887770
What's this got to do with ThinkPads?
A lot of laptops have the same resolution
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>>52887886
it's a shite res for all laptops, and it barely acceptable on screens smaller than 11 inches.
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>>52887770
it's usuable, what u need 1080p for on the fly?
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>>52887908
Why?
It's not a tablet. Your face is not that close.
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>>52887846
I'm trying homie but life won't let me /: I've been trying to get a t420 but they go above 200 for low grade specs... then i found the t510 for $180
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>>52887959
>T420
>Above $200
Where the fuck are you looking? I see them regularly on ebay for less than $150.
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>>52887948
i've used that res on a 15.6 inch laptop, a 20 inch monitor, and on my T420 and it's just too crowded, for any productivity and web browsing, but for watching videos it's ok but not great, and just upgrading from that to 1600x900 ise a huge and fantastic jump.
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>>52887988
My ebay skills are weak anon
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>>52888064
Yeah it's too low on anything bigger than ~13 inch.

I got a 14 inch 1600x900 and looking back at my old 1366x768 15'6 inch thinkpad the pixels seem huge.
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>>52888099
Type down t420 and the third result is a t420 with 1600x900 that's under $150.
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>>52885994
>€200
>two months wage

Even for East European standards you're a poorfag.
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>>52887770
Anyone who does and is okay with it hasn't ever seen anything better. I used to be like them, I know the mindset. Before I knew about Thinkpads I had some shitty 15.6" ASUS with a 1366x768 screen and I didn't think anything was wrong with it. Now that I have a 1600x900 T420 and 1600x1200 T60, it's tough for me to even go back to my X220. I put up with it because it gets way better battery life than the other two, but man does it feel squished if I go straight to it from the T60.
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>>52887706
it's actually not great, I ran the same setup for a year and the battery life was ~5 hrs under normal usage

I much prefer my t440s with the 72whr external battery and 23 Whr internal battery
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How is the battery life on the X200?
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>>52888179
No OS tho? I kinda need it asap for school and I don't have that much money. Unless I run linux.
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>>52888389
reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap
you can get W10 for $20-30 or W7 for $10-50.
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>>52888389
nigger do you honestly not know how to pirate an OS?
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>>52888263
w/ a fresh 9 cell, tlp n power savings shit: 9 hours
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>>52888389
google windows 7 iso
burn onto dvd or usb
use the product key on bottom of laptop to activate
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>>52888389
Thinkpads usually have a Windows COA included unless they're in seriously bad shape, so you just have to get an ISO for the appropriate version.
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>>52888389
>paying for an operating system
holy shit lmfao dogg come on
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>T430
Lower resolution than T420, slimline only, awful island style keyboard (but it's backlit so I guess that's nice. I prefer the thinklight more)
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>>52888514
you can upgrade the screen, and the S version is easier to upgrade to 1080p.
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>>52888539
But you spend more money that way.
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>>52888539
There's still the issue of slimline only and the keyboard.
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>>52888548
then find a model which comes with the upgraded screen.
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>>52888687
Yeah right good luck finding one for cheap.
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>>52888786
then shut the fuck up whinging.
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>>52888875
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Looking for a higher res screen for my x61s. Does anyone know of anything better than this miserable 1024x768 panel?
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>>52890251

https://ithinkpad.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/x6xipsguide/
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Can you upgrade the T420's screen to a higher res one?
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>>52890669
Yes
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/3hjlbu/so_i_did_the_t420_fhd_ips_mod_and_its_glorious/
http://imgur.com/a/O8ntb
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>>52888994
Maki a shit. So is nico
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>>52890747
you a shit anon
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I feel like my x230 gets scratches and blemishes on the top way too easily. Is there a way to clean them up or remove them? I literally left my headphones on top of it 1 night and now theres this weird mark that's lasted for weeks.
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>>52890797
>Jheri curl
it's grease
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Any website where I can get a t420 with fast shipping? Preferably 2-3 days. Normally i wouldn't mind the wait through ebay but my laptop just fucked up and I need it for uni.
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>>52890969
newegg is probably your best bet
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>>52890969
Craigslist
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Anyone got dual monitors working on the T520?
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Wait for retropad or just get an XPS?

I know I can get a used ganoopad but I would rather just wait a bit/spend the cash for something nice.
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>>52891070
>thinking more money will get you something "nicer"
that's your first mistake
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>>52891087
Yeah it sort of does, generally a better screen and weight.

Also these new laptops have iris graphics so they will last a long time in demanding whatever the fuck you do.
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Is it possible to install the T420 keyboard on the T430?
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>>52887222
Absolutely. I'd say 1440x900 is the lower I'd go.
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>>52882194
I will receive very soon my new T450 for 500 GBP.

I didn't get the thinner 450s because I plan to spend the difference on a FHD screen. Not sure if it was a good decision...
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Okay, so I was going to get a thinkpad x200 for finishing photosets without coming back home, but it seems they A: have poor screens for that, B: Cost an arm and a leg more here than in other places. I found a really good deal on a Dell Latitude E6320, with good equipment. Is the screen in that good? It's got the higher resolution WXGA screen. Also the one on sale has a small lightbleed happening in the lower left hand corner. Cause for concern? Also is that dell model useless plastic garbage compared to a thinkpad? How's the keyboard, if anyone has one.
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>>52891475
Every Thinkpad have poor screens senpai.
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>>52891475
Dell is good but it will still have a poor screen.
Most laptops have a poor screen. Even if it's IPS.

I can only think of a macbook pro that has a proper screen but that costs a fortune, and >Apple.
Use google.
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>>52891860
Not really, the screen on the x240 is okay. The x200's screen was ugly as fuck though, and the x220's screen looks okay but has very bad burn in issues (as in 10 minutes with firefox open on the new tab screen is enough to leave an inprint of it for 5 minutes)
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>>52892003
>those viewing angles
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T520
Y/N?
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>>52891023
the integrated graphics can support two monitors, either internal +1 or just 2 external. The Nvidia graphics can support 3 monitors (possibly more with DisplayPort daisy chaining? haven't heard much about it though)
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>>52892279
Yeah, it's good. No real problems I can think of. The better screen is well worth the higher price over the T420.
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Should I use W8.1 or W10 on the X220? Dual booting with Arch if that matters.
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>>52891239
i got a t450s it's amazing and i love it
ips screen is lovely as well
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>>52892392
Alright.
Is it worth spending the extra money on the more powerful W520?
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>>52892407
W7
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alright which one of you fuckos just stole that x200 on ebay for 22.50
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>>52892471
>~$40 total with no battery, power adaptor and hd cover
I passed on it when it passed $15
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>>52892452
If you have a use for the better GPU or 32GB of RAM, I suppose. Although you can always use an external GPU with the T520 if you need it, and 16GB of RAM should be enough for just about any use case right now.
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What do you guys think of a thinkpad yoga?
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Yo. My x200 has been having issues with loading webpages lately. Even after I switched over from Windows to Linux it still happens constantly.
Either reaaaally slow or just won't load at all.
What's also weird is that the wifi works fine for everyone else who's connected but a lot of the time I'll even be the only one using the connection.

Is this a hardware thing? Do I need to get something replaced?
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>>52892922
what are your cpu speeds and temps looking like?

if it's stressing over programs running in the background or just trying to load the web page, it could be getting too hot and thermal throttling, making loading things slow
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>>52892922
Easy way to tell would be to use ethernet instead of wireless and see if the problem persists.
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Does anyone here disable Intel AMT or just not bother with it? Seems like a pointless thing to have to be honest.
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>>52892310
I can't seem to get Optimus working on Linux for even two monitors for some reason
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>>52893137
I did "lscpu" in bash a few times and it's around 800-1600mhz.
Not sure about temps (is there a bash command for that?) but I haven't noticed any difference in heat output. It can definitely get pretty warm while playing videos though.

>>52893144
I'll try that when I get a chance (on mobile). If it does continue then does that mean my wifi card might need replacing? Is this something that tends to happen after years of use?
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Looking for a 15 inch laptop with a decent battery life and an SSD. Can you recommend me a thinkpad model?
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Hopeless manchild here. In love with the wife's X61 and its glorious keyboard, but research has not revealed any stronger gaming chops on a ThinkPad than the Yoga 14's GT 940M. Am I missing something, or is that it? inb4 940M is fine for most things, I want to make games as well as play them, plus RPCS3 can almost slay commercial games at 60FPS on a desktop 950, roughly equal to a 970m.
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>>52893369
>Decent battery life
Just about any.
>SSD
Install it yourself.
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>>52893390
No, I don't want to install it myself.
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>>52893413
you're looking in the wrong places then, friend
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Sup goys.

Was looking to get the t450 with the i5 and big battery. What I hate about it is that it is only 14 inches, which is frankly way too small for a 1080p screen.

Is there an equivilant to the t450 with a 15 to 17 inch screen and with an equivilant battery life, this is strictly for programming I'm not going to be gaming or rendering videos so I don't need a graphics card.

Price isn't really an issue.
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>>52893413
>I don't want to install it myself
what are you even doing on this board

fucking christ
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>>52893472
I code. I don't give a shit about hardware.
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>>52893576
It would literally take you a couple minutes to swap out the HDD with a SSD as long as you aren't retarded.
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>>52893467
are you sure? have you tried the 14"? There is the T550.
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>>52893640
I own a 14 inch 1080p laptop right now and the screen is too small, I find myself always increasing text size to 16/18 in most IDEs.

I'll look into to the T550. The T 450 is basically the perfect laptop for, me the only issue is that the screen is a tad too small, t550 looks like a bigger t450 so I think I'll go with it.
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How much battery life do the T450 and t550 laptops actually get. Lenovo lists it as up ward of 17 hours if you get the large 6-cell battery pack, but how much battery life do you realistically get doing relatively demanding work such as compiling C or C++ code in an ide like Visual Studio/qtcreator plus having a few tabs open in Chrome as well as some other miscellaneous programs.

Ideally I would like to go an entire school day (8 hours) without needing to plug in my laptop to charge, or swap batteries.

The model I'm looking at right now is the 1080p IPS with the i5 and 8 gigs of ram.
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>>52893861
Forgot to mention that I will probably be running Windows 10 and every now and then I'll be using a VM with Lubuntu.
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>>52893861
They also have onboard 3-cell battery, so it's more like 6+3. Look up some battery benchmarks, ThinkPads typically do very well on them. I would say you should be able to get 10 hours out of it comfortably under real usage.
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>>52893378
>yoga
>good keyboard
sure buddy
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>>52888201
>>52887770
I use a 27" 1920x1200 monitor at work and a 12.5" 1366x768 X220 at work and at home.

It mostly depends on what you do. If you need to see a bunch of things or one large thing simultaneously like a large schematic diagram and long piece of source code, then having a higher-res panel really helps.

But if all you want to do is have multiple programs open at the same time, then a lower-res screen with virtual desktops works.
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Thinkpad Yoga X1 vs the Yoga 460? Thinking of picking one of the two up for school, I'm looking for durability as well as a responsive touchscreen.
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So i've been using a shitty Acer Chromebook for school, getting an x220 would be an upgrade right?
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>>52894489
I went from the Samsung Series 3 Chromebook to a x230. Yes, it definitely will be an upgrade, just shop smart.
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What laptop would you cheat on your gookpad with /g/? Admit your sins

I recently saw this Japanese market Panasonic portable that made me cream. It's the latest RZ line but it's 2000USD, pretty rare used and no western version. Would be really tempted otherwise.
>10.5hr advertised battery
>1.64 lb tablet convertible
>1920x1200 IPS 16:10
>swappable battery
>great port selection, ethernet, VGA, HDMI, USB3.0 x3
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Not a thinkpad but looking at getting the ideapad y700. good idea or no?
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>>52894680
thinkpad threads are about buying secondhand business-line laptops

you're not doing either of these things
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>>52894628
Elitebooks, because I've owned them, and the tool-less entry on them is 10/10
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>>52894628
pretty qt, but too big. my x201 is so perfect with everything i would ever need a laptop for i can't imagine ever getting anything else
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>>52894738
my experience with enterprise and consumer HP has been shit for so long that I'm unfairly biased against elitebooks despite never using one for longer than a few minutes
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>>52894756
it's a bit big for a portable but muh 1.64 lbs makes up for it.

I'm content with my X200 as well
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>>52894216
Every review I've read says the Yoga 14 is almost as good as the ThinkPads of yore. I can hit 82 words per minute on my current HP DV8305US with its shitty almost-not-chiclet keys, so I figure the Yoga would be good enough on the keyboard front. If I have to, I'll give up the ThinkPad keyboard for a good graphics chip, but I'd be loath to do so.
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>>52882194
Fellow memepad users, when I purchased my thinkpad, it came with a broken anti-theft lock (see pic related). This isn't a huge issue but I was thinking I could just get some repair putty and fill it, then paint it over with matching black paint. Would this work well or should I just leave it be?
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>>52894807
>Basically a slightly bigger HP Mini with better specs and more ports
You're not missing much, anon. Keyboard is shit, to boot.
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>>52894930
Leaving that gaping hole there is literally asking for your system to get choked to death by dust. Patch that shit up, anon, whether you can make it look good or not.
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Got my X60 last week. It's fucking solid. Slapped Libreboot and Debian on it, called it a day. Gives me four-five hours of battery life with heavy-ish (Pale Moon, Deluge, two or three Terminator tabs, DeaDBeeF open at once) usage. Lag is almost nonexistent, 1080p playback in MPV and VLC is golden. This is a solid mobile workstation, I have to say.
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>>52893576
Why is this meme a thing? why is it so common for programmers to not give a fuck about hardware? Sure, it's job security for me, but why is it a thing? What even got you interested in PCs if you didn't give a fuck how they worked?
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>>52894930
give it back jamal
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>>52894974
How the fuck are you getting 1080p playback on a Centrino Duo?
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>>52894976
spitting out functional code in 2016 doesn't exactly take a genius these days. CS is way past its glory days
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>>52894988

I'm no hardware expert, and I'm no wizard, that being said, HorribleSubs 1080p anything plays back perfectly, same with any other 1080p video I throw at mpv or VLC plays great.
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>>52895038
Oh never mind, I was thinking of [email protected] video, not 30. Carry on
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Is 250 bucks a good price for an x220 tablet with an i7?
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>>52895600
I wouldn't even pay $0
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>>52895600
yeah it's a fair price
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>>52894976
the vast majority of code monkeys will never work anywhere near hardware level, so it's just kind of an externality. i share the same viewpoint to a degree.
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Anyone have an X220 Tablet?
If I get the dock with USB 3.0, will I be able to benefit from 3.0 speeds with Linux? How about the pcie slot?
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>>52885955
How about the one that fits your requirements ?
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How does /g/ rate this model?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017BX4ZY0/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687502&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00VVZEBYO&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1DA07XCZH3YYPGSXHJYS
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>>52885955
T420
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>>52895836
It is pure garbage. I work in a school district and we deploy these for students. This model is even worse than the ones we have, because it's the re-release without the trackpoint and one-button touchpad. It's slow as fuck and just overall a huge pain in the ass to use. Don't bother with it.
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>>52882194
So I found a used x220 on ebay with an i5, 160gb SSD, 4gb ram in fairly good condition and the seller is asking for 260AUD/ 183USD. Does it seem like a good deal?
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>>52895979
does it come with windows installed?
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>>52895992
Yeah, Windows 7 Pro, but I was probably gonna install an easier linux distro like Mint or Ubuntu if it can't handle windows too well.
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>>52896007
it sounds like a good deal just make sure that the minor sounding things like battery/keyboard are in good shape unless you are willing to replace them yourself
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>>52896027
Thanks, I'll probably buy it later tonight when I get back home from work. Looking forward to finally owning a Thinkpad.
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>>52894930
I repaired mine with epoxy putty and then put Sika Poolcoat matte black on it. You can't even tell mine was broken.

Then again im in a luxury position with the coating since the company i work for sells it (one bucket would normally cost 100 euros).
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>>52896007
Even my old shitty netbook handled windows 7. And that POS had an amd c60 with 2gb ram. Youll be fine.
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>get into thinkpad 2-3 years ago
>now have a real desktop and proper desk setup
>tfw yearning to go back to poorfag minimalistic thinkpad+dock setup even though have money for new laptops now

Kind of wish something dramatic would happen so I have to get rid of all my junk. Also selling a used desktop sounds difficult...

And finally, when did ThinkPads start going anal about the battery specifications? Was is it sandy bridge or ivy bridge gen? Mostly interested in the possibility of swapping the cells in either a T430 or T420.
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>>52896278
Why not buy an xx50 or wait for the xx60?

I barely use my god tier desktop anymore as well. Used it for gaymen but ive lost my interest in games alltogether.
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>>52896456
I'm at this point in my life too. Shopping around for a dock for my X220T.
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>>52896456
Because I already know sandy bridge is plenty powerful enough for me and should be for a few more years easily. But I would appreciate USB 3.0 from ivy bridge ThinkPads. Also want an mSATA port and an Ultrabay. And I'm curious if the T420 FHD mod also works on the T430. Finally I also want to stick a quad-core into in, all for fun. I just like modding things.

>>52896470
You have probably learned by now that the X220t can't take the normal mini-docks and you have to get an Ultrabase dock for it. BUT this is not entirely true, you just have to remove the corner piece from the mini-docks and it will fit the X220t just fine. That's what I did for mine.
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I bought a x220 and if I leave it for about 20 minutes the display shuts off and I can't turn it back on without restarting the laptop?

Is this a common problem and is there a simple solution for it?
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>>52896561
>display shuts off and I can't turn it back on without restarting the laptop?

sounds like it's going to sleep, not just shutting the display off

What OS? Have you looked into your power settings a tall?
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>>52896580
Yea, it's going into sleep but then I can't get it to come out of sleep

Its windows 10, this is the first thinkpad I've owned so I'm not very familiar with them
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>>52896596
make it stop going to sleep in the power settings

and I wouldn't recommend using something other than W7 on an X220, or other sandy bridge ThinkPads
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>>52896596
live boot ubuntu or whatever and see if it still does it. yes is hardware no is software
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>>52896612
Alright I'm reverting it back to windows 7 and I changed the power settings

Really wish I knew about these problems before I bought it
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>>52895858
what about the model with the Intel N2940 cpu instead? I assume it's not much better, though.
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>>52896561
Also it says the battery in perfect condition but it only lasts for 1 hour

What is bad condition for an x220 6 cell
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>>52896927
Did you install Lenovo's Power Manager?

Do that, go to Advanced mode on top right, then go to the Battery tab, then Battery Maintenance button, then do a battery gauge reset.

After that, in the Battery tab, it will tell you the batteries full charge capacity and the batteries design capacity.

If the full charge capacity is like half the design capacity, then yeah the battery is in bad condition.

A good condition 6-cell should net you about 6 hours of battery life from an X220.

Also you might be able to get a new free battery if you're lucky.
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/hf004122
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>>52896927
maybe "perfect condition" meant physically
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>>52896553
Ah, you are like me then. I bought a beat up x230 really cheaply and fixed it up with new parts and some upgrades.
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>>52885198
>>haswell
>low voltage shit.
have you used the haswell lv stuff?
it's on par with like sandy bridge cpus and better than hd4000, but uses half the power that the full voltage stuff uses
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>>52886687
just like all the other logos
>>52886752
only if you lightly browse the web or code.
maybe in linux you can do both. if it's low loads
and why are you limited to 2 gigs of ram? why can't you just throw in 4 to get a usable computer or 8 to get a good one.
>>52887222
there is no way a 1440x900 screen for a t410 costs $100
I got a 1680x1050 screen for my 2012 macbook pro for $50
>>52887770
>he thinks 1366x768 is unsuable
1366x768 is pretty much the same as 1280x800.
and the shitbook pro 13 runs effectively at 1280x800
why?
because its a perfectly fine resolution for a smaller device
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I'm so torn between the X201, T420, T520 and W520 (more the T520 than the W520 because of the price).
While having a comfy shitposting Thinkpad would be nice (X201, T420), I'd also like to make music on it hen I'm not a my desktop PC (T520, W520).
It hurts.
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>>52897882
t420 with quad core mod :^)
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>>52897511
Dat throttling doe
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>>52897882
i have an x201, it works fine
admittedly i have never produced music, nor will i ever get into that degenerate bullshit
have you thought about maybe a vnc setup to your daw?
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>>52897511
Probably has to do with peoples expectations. For most a low voltage cpu is good enough, for demanding situation not so much compared to a non low voltage cpu of the same generation.

One is not better or worse, just different. You either go for more portability or better performance.
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Like I know everyone digs used thinkpads but would getting a new one be worth it?

Like if I pay 1500USD for a new W541 or W550, would that be a decent investment?
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>>52894756

>so perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maximum temperature when operating under the unpressurized condition: 31.3°C (88°F)
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Just got an e460 from the Lenovo education store. Heard the e series isn't the greatest but I'll only really be using it for light programming when I'm at college, and I needed something small (14") and rather light. Is the E series really that bad? Or is it just a circlejerk? Personally I'm just glad they got rid of the horrible touch buttons on the trackpoint
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>>52899151
Thinkpads are great laptops.
Do you need a laptop?
Do you find yourself in need of a computer when you're not at a computer?
If yes, get a Thinkpad.

Never buy new Thinkpads.
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>>52899270
>that keyboard
I'll never forgive Lenovo for abandoning the god tier desktop design.
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>>52899311
Admittedly I find it disappointing too. Only used an older thinkpad once so it's not to big a deal for me to adapt but I like the look of the old ones better. Seems Lenovo are trying to adopt the apple model of design
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>>52898820
>1366x768
No thanks.
>degenerate bullshit
Pic related.
>have you thought about maybe a vnc setup to your daw?
Yes, but I'd have to leave my desktop PC running.
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Used sl510 Core 2 duo for $145
Does it look like a good buy?

http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.co/MCO-420050513-lenovo-thinkpad-sl510-perfecto-calidad-militar-core-2-duo-_JM
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>>52899643
4gb ram
160gb sata hd
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>>52899301
>Thinkpads are great laptops.
>Never buy new Thinkpads.
I'm getting mixed messages here. What is a good new laptop to buy if not thinkpad?
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>>52899656

had a 9cell battery in an SL500

weighed a ton
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>>52900278
They are still good, but not as great as they used to be. Other laptops are just still worse if you want a good keyboard, the only good clit mouse, and decent build quality and repairability.
And a new thinkpad can be bought with an IPS panel and has the best battery life you're gonna get because the battery is obviously new, and more importantly, a 15w intel U cpu is going to use a lot less power than a fucking core2duo.
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>>52900278
New Thinkpads are expensive as fuck. Secondhand ones have good value for money.

New laptop? I think Dell XPS
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>>52900368
The Dell XPS is a nice laptop, but it isn't cheaper than a chinkpad T450s and it is glued together and probably doesn't have the best cooling and it lacks a good keyboard.
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>>52892922

i have an x220 and it seems that every second distro/version i install will have different drivers for my wifi

the shit will work but sometimes i'll need to switch it off/on like 30 times

look into replacing them shits

what distro you using anyway?
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>>52900278
You're in a thread filled with people who buy old Thinkpads because they like old Thinkpads.
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HOLY FUCK LELNOVO DUN FUCKED THEMSELVES ALRIGHT

seriously, have you guys seen the T460s

it has a stupid fake wedge shape
it ain't got no swappable battery

could've seen that coming for a long time, but still, damn.

I hope the thinkpad classic is a success.

>>52900351
I take this back, because I didn't know how shit the latest chinkpad was. Just get a rmbp or some shit.
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>>52900629
>ultra slim and light model
>wonder why everything is gimped

wew lad

also
>large internal battery (still user replaceable)
>small removable battery

i'd take the large internal battery every day

see this: https://youtu.be/doEZMNXz1JY?t=1611
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>>52900629
I'd say "just get the T460", but I really hate the new modern designs Lenovo have been doing.
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>>52882194
im getting an X220T tomorrow
did i fuck up?
anything i should know, coming from an X200 (non-tablet)
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>>52900658
>large internal battery (still user replaceable)
How?
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>>52882393
how well does this work with linux?
the tablet features specifically
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>>52900693
Just noticed: it even has that fucking new Lenovo logo on it, but not shiny at least.

>>52900658
I don't see the T460 non-S on there, and I won't recommend that anyone get a t450 with a fucking TN panel.

>>52900706
By unscrewing it, but you obviously lose the ability to swap batteries or get a bulky battery that you still had on the t450/t450s. I think it's a serious downgrade if you're stuck with a single 10 hour battery without the ability to buy a bunch of extra batteries or a bigger one.
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>>52899323
>trying to adopt apple design

Nah, you can't replace or fix anything on a Macbook without effectively destroying it. Everything is hotsnotted and soldered together so replacing one thing is virtually impossible.

Not judging but there is still a huge difference.
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>>52900709
Well it looks like pressure sensitivity works fine. I've used usb wacoms on linux before and they are basically plug and play.

But maybe this requires some weird drivers, I haven't actually used a chinkpad with touchscreen so I'm just guessing.
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Not having swappable battery on a Thinkpad is awful.
I was staying in a cabin in the snowy wilderness a couple of years ago and I was without electricity for a week and a half (had running water, gas stove and fireplace).
Managed to get by on 4 batteries when I wasn't outside skiing or snowboarding.
No way that's possible on a 10 hour battery.
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>>52900785
I'm not very much concerned about that, as I don't doubt wacom in itself works fine, I was more thinking about rotation, using it without a keyboard, etc.
I'll be using Debian Stable with GNOME.
I don't mind setting things up as long as they eventually work well.
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>>52900809
I'd say get the non s version but that doesn't change the fact that not having a replaceable battery on a ThinkPad T series is pants on head retarded. Its literally one of the defining features of the T X series.
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>>52900809
Sounds comfy as fuck.
Sis you have Internet access?
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>>52900869
Yeah it's stupid.
>>52900970
Tethered from my phone.
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>>52900869
THERE IS NO NON S VERSION

Or am I missing anything.
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t40 for like 20 bucks?
for shitposting, and music
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>>52900970
I was wondering for the longest time why were calling Anon sister. Must be tired.
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>>52901293
Well I've read some reviews and they did mention a regular and a p version coming up. Not that that is a guarantee of course.

Would be pretty fucking retarded if they decided to not make a regular version. Then again they did have the courage to come up with the t440.
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>>52894974
>terminator
just use tmux
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>tfw upgrading my thinkpad instead of saving the money
Guys, I need help
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>There are literal cückolds, that are currently posting on /g/, that will attempt to defend the 1366x768 resolution on their cuckpad
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>>52901638
shut up, slut
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>>52901638
Works fine for me. U mad?
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>>52899151

computers aren't investments
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>>52901729
>implying spending money on something that makes your work more pleasant and easier to do isn't an investment.

In the literal sense it is probably not going to keep it's value very well over the years.
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>>52901384
can't go wrong for 20 bucks m8

>>52901447
I wonder if they will actually make it that much different from the s version. I think on the 450/450s the only difference was the thinner carbon reinforced lid and the soldered ram, right? And the option of the IPS screen was exclusive to the s.
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>>52901729
>investment
>A thing that is worth buying because it may be profitable or useful in the future

Words can have more than one meaning, Anon.
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Is it worth upgrading from a T420s to a T450s? Or just mod the T420s with a FHD screen?
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>>52901826
I hope they make a non retarded version. It wouldn't really matter for me personally though (since I know how to replace an internal battery and don't need an extra battery). But still it would be a big fuck you to everyone who wants a replaceable battery.

I never seem to understand why Lenovo does this shit to the x and t series. I mean they have laptops like the edge series and carbon to experiment on and they know that most people who buy a T and X series don't want "sleek" designs. Its okay that they try to make ThinkPad's look nicer but it us retarded that they skip essential features for it.
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Who /T440p buyers remorse/ here

JUST
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>>52901939
>they know that most people who buy a T and X series don't want "sleek" designs
No they don't.
They think people are okay with these changes.
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>>52901856
youre right. im going to invest in 10 thinkpads
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>>52884841
>1366x768
I have one at 16"-17" and I've honest never noticed a difference when I'd use my friends 1080p screens, but then again I'm the guy that prefers his videos in 480p
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>>52902054
Good for you, friend. Good for you.
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>>52901939
It doesn't matter for me personally either, because I expect my T450s to last (last=stay in use, not survive hopefully) for at least 3 or 4 years. I just hope there's still something good to upgrade to in a few years.

Even the T450s is kind of a compromise with the lack of LEDs and 7th row, and the new hinge that doesn't allow flat battery extensions (it may be a bit sturdier though).
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>>52902105
>prefers videos in 480p
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>>52902161
Watching anything on >720p causes my laptop to nearly lag itself to death, and if the planets align and that shit doesn't happen I can't precieve a difference
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>>52902114
>I expect my T450s to last (last=stay in use, not survive hopefully) for at least 3 or 4 years
the T450s (U processor) has almost identical performance with the T420s (M processor); going by this improvement rate, I'd say there are better odds for your T450s dying before getting obsolete
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Buying used RAM yes/no?
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>>52902454
Yeah, there is definitely some progress, but I could honestly shitpost just as good on my 10(?) year old T60 as I can on my t450s, the t60 just doesn't have good battery life and has a shit screen. I will probably 'upgrade' when I get a job after studying, if they hand out laptops. I actually don't use laptops at home, so this thing might stay with me forever.
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P50s is out in Japan.
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>>52902508
If you're buying the whole rest of the laptop used, why NOT used RAM?

I've had positive experiences buying used. Just run it through memtest86 as soon as you get it. On the off chance it's fucked, send it back. You have proof.
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Can a 17" laptop fit in a backpack?

I'm buying a laptop for business but I don't know what size to get. I'll be doing work in IDEs.

Also it might replace my netbook for traveling. or maybe I should just keep the shitty netbook for travel and just get the best screen size i need for work.
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>>52903055
Depends on the size of the backpack. Maybe you should measure it.
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So, before I pull the trigger on this purchase, are there any significant downsides to the T430 compared to the T420?
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I'm buying a new laptop for college. I'm a casual gamer, so I want something that can run most games on decent settings for the next couple of years (I'll be a junior in the fall). I plan on dual booting windows 10 and arch linux. I have a t430s with the same setup right now and I love it, but I want to be able to vidya too. Should I even bother with a thinkpad?

inb4
>gaming laptop
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>>52903397
No. I don't even have beef with the idea of gaming laptops, but Thinkpads aren't gaming laptops. Buy some Lenovo Y50 or a Asus GXwhatever or some MSI thing if you want a gaming laptop.
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>>52903307
Just the keyboard, really. And that's highly debated here with strong feelings on both sides. It's swappable, but with some drawbacks.

Be sure to opt for the higher resolution screen.
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>>52903467
That was kinda the conclusion I was coming to. I'll check those out, thanks.
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>>52901658
fake.
There is no possibility to have a fhd screen in x230.
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>>52904091
>doubting chink magic
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Muh ram shall be here tomorrow. I get to see how easy or hard it is to install it. Never done it on a laptop or thinkpad before

g.skill8gb for 30 dollars. not a bad price
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>>52903055
Why don't you try it out?
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>>52904599
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I love my T410 i got, the battery that came with it is fucked though. Any suggestions if i should go OEM from lenovo or some extended battery?
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>>52903055
idk, i have a decently sized backpack that struggled to fit a 15.6" laptop, but your mileage may vary
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