Why do people go out of their way to call it GNU/Linux?
Can't they stop being an autist and call it GNU like a normal human being?
What you're referring to as a Chair, is in fact, a LEG/Chair, or as I've recently taken to calling it, a Legs plus chair. A chair not an furniture unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Legs system made useful by the LEGS core-materials, Reaction force utilities and vital gravitational system components comprising a full piece of furniture as defined by PP&LB.
Nobody calls Windows "NT" and nobody calls Mac OS "XNU". The "kernel is an operating system" argument is just a backwards rationalization for using the wrong name because everyone else does.
The chair should be Linux, GNU should be the legs. Linux doesn't need GNU to operate, it uses GNU as an additive. GNU needs Linux to operate though, or at least a kernel. The Hurd NEVEREVER.
Do you say GEE EN YOU slash Linux?
Gnu is traditionally pronounced nuu/noo. Linux came before gnu.
So I simple call it New Linux. It can be wrong all day long but that won't stop me.
I am completely perplexed here, probably because of my inexperience.
What GNU project has adopted as its kernel is called linux-libre, a fork of linux. GNOME, GNU corelibs, a kernel, shell utils and other vital components are officially parts of GNU project.
Most people run GNU alongside Linux (which is a non-free kernel) and so I called them GNU/Linux instead of just GNU. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of a complete operating system, but mostly useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. Most of the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
I'd say most mainstream Linux based distributions are just GNUs non-free variant.
Also, some systems (i.e. Alpine, Xcore/Linux etc) is not GNU/Linux and I am fully aware of that.
Please excuse my lack of knowledge but please spoonfeed me if and where I am wrong
I'm terribly sorry for interjecting another moment, but what I just told you is GNU/Linux is, in fact, just Linux, or as I've just now taken to calling it, Just. Linux. Linux apparently does happen to be a whole operating system unto itself and comprises a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Most computer users who run the entire Linux system every day already realize it. Through a peculiar turn of events, I was misled into calling the system "GNU/Linux", and until now, I was unaware that it is basically the Linux system, developed by the Linux project.
There really isn't a GNU/Linux, and I really wasn't using it; it is an extraneous misrepresentation of the system that's being used. Linux is the operating system: the entire system made useful by its included corelibs, shell utilities, and other vital system components. The kernel is already an integral part of the Linux operating system, never confined useless by itself; it functions coherently within the context of the complete Linux operating system. Linux is never used in combination with GNU accessories: the whole system is basically Linux without any GNU added, or Just.Linux. All the so-called "GNU/Linux" distributions are really distributions of Linux.
People call it linux because ganoo is a stupid sounding name. That's the only reason. RMS is an autistic nerd and like all autistic nerds, he's entertained by retarded baby-talk.
ganoo foobar grep grub ganome gooboopoopooboobee
maldeveloped dorks name all their shit this way, and then normal people hear it and think "what, no that's fucking stupid I'm not going to say that. linux? yeah that sounds pretty cool".
Are you fucking stupid m8? Richard Stallman said in his first fucking press release DO NOT CALL IT "NEW" as that was owned by someone else. It is pronounced GAH-NOO just like GAH-NOME.
I just say G-N-U though because idgaf about stallmans radics.
GNU is just a userland, not a full blown OS.
it has the HURD project as a Linux kernel replacement, but is just a bug ridden unfinished thing as far as i know from reports.
so your statement does not only apply to Xorg or SystemD, but also to GNU.
I'm simply explaining the reason that the term linux took on, and GNU did not. Whether you believe me when I explain that the phoneme "oo" is not generally considered pleasant in the english language is between you and your autism.
i just call it Linux. period.
Why? I acknowledge the use of GNU, but as i was referring earluer, i also use Xorg and wont call it Xorg/Linux.
calling it GNU/Linux, is just supporting people too proud of themselves. They need this for their ego, for whatever reason.
I mean Xorg devs never demanded to add it as prefix, because it is used as part of the OS. Think about that for a moment. Neither does any other software package on Linux. Ever heard that anyone said "i'm using sinit/Linux"?
GNU smell their own shit, but i won't support such arrogance, by calling an already established thing something else for their ego.
Also, comparing this to Win as *nobody calls it NT" is just nonsense. Win is Win, Linux is Linux.
>it just happened to be the compiler he was using
>it just happened to be the license he was using
>it just happened to be the c library he was using
>it just happened to be the shell he was using
>it just happened to be the coreutils he was using
Yep, just a coincidence.
No you missed his whole point.
Its GNU with its kernel replaced. He is decent enough to say GNU/Linux instead of GNU. GNU is a full operating system
>Win is Win, Linux is Linux.
You do realise how self-conflicting you are being, don't you?
It can be compiled with Clang.
The license doesn't put the writer of the license in charge.
It can run with other clibs.
It can run with other shells.
It can run with other coreutils.
Do you call a chair a "wood"?
"I sat on a very comfortable wood the other day"
And all of the GNU utilities can be run with a different kernel. Nobody's arguing that the parts aren't interchangeable. And you have RMS to thank for the fact that they are freely interchangeable.
>Its GNU with its kernel replaced
Then by all means, start using the GNU kernel then.
Whatever, dickface. GNU is both confusing to pronounce and sounds stupid, and that's why Linux is the name that stuck. People who are unhappy that Linus gets all the credit shouldn't blame Linus, they should blame Stallman for picking such a dorky name for his project.
See this it's a band-aid not an adhesive bandage. Get used to it.
If I refer to the architecture of a machine with a FreeBSD kernel, I call it FreeBSD, whether it is "vanilla" FreeBSD, Debian k*BSD, or PC-BSD.
If I run a machine with a Hurd kernel, I call it Hurd in that context, whether it be Debian Hurd, Arch Hurd, NixOS or Gentoo.
Why should I do differently with Linux?
Anyways, it will be quite possible that I'd rather call it "Debian" whether it has a FreeBSD, Debian, or Linux kernel, or probably Debian Linux (or equivalent). Same with Gentoo, FreeBSD, you get the story.
There's nothing fucking natural in the english language about pronouncing "gn" as "gah nuh". There's a project called Gnome that isn't actually pronounced like the word gnome, and you're telling me that isn't fucking confusing?
Yeah, people mispronounce linux sometimes because english spelling is not phonetic. That's not even close to being the same as constructing an acronym that isn't pronounced like any word in the entire language.
Stallman called it GNU because he was a fucking MIT elitist dweeb. Now as a result of that elitism, his work is obscure. You reap what you sow.
It's pronounced pretty much the same as "grew" but with an n instead of r sound. It's really not that radical. There are plenty of brand names that don't make sense in English, including ones that are literally not English.
No, because I don't describe mine as running "bionic" nor "Google", just Android or Google.
Grow up and realize software doesn't come in magtapes anymore, and an operating system either means just the kernel or the full distribution, not just a list of packages
in that case, a better analogue would be that Linux is both the legs and the seat, while GNU is the armrest. Linux can easily function without GNU (see Android) but GNU has no purpose without Linux.
I've just bought a Jeep without a motor.
To make the car work I've added a Ford motor I found for a bargain.
Is the car a "Jeep with a Ford motor" or a "Ford with a Jeep Chassis"?
Linux cannot function without the software provided by gnu or atleast an alternative implementation of said software.
If you want to strip your system out of gnu software, then fine. call it whatever shit you want
But If you are using a distribution that is built on top of gnu utilities, you are using the gnu operating system.
psst, the new thing is a linux fork that they took so they can state that ganoo is a full OS.
i'll forg ever GNU part too and call it Linux. wait no.
I already call it Linux.
I can list more GNU packages in a GNU/Linux system than any other developer.
The closest thing I can think of is xorg or whoever makes qt, but they are not installed on nearly all GNU/Linux systems.
An OS is just a collection of the bare minimum software required to have a functioning system that allows you run other programs. "operate" if you will. which in unix-like systems like GNU, it translates to a shell, libc, kernel and their dependencies.
Your distribution may distribute Xorg as part of it's package for user friendlyness but doesn't mean Xorg is part of the actual os.
It just so happens that the kernel provided in gnu operating system is shit. so people swapped it with linux. other essential parts of the system is still provided by gnu. so you are still using the gnu operating system. except now with linux engine.
If you decide to swap out every gnu part out of your system, then you can call it whatever you want, because you are no longer running a gnu operating system.
but as long as you do. Its "GNU".
Meanwhile, RMS was a good guy and wanted linux to be acknowledged for it's contribution to gnu operating system, so he proposed the GNU/Linux name.
I think he means the 3840*2160 = 4k meme
3840 < 4000
we don't call 1920*1080 2k either, it's 1080p
2160p or 8MP would be more accurate
4k is 100% a marketing gag
like 7680*4320 apparently is enough for 8k and 15360*8640 will be enough to be called 16k
You can try to scavenge one from your local graveyard. I personally prefer not touching abandonware, though, since more often than not you can't get it running again anyway. In that case, just grab one off the street. Apply some chloroform to make sure it doesn't get damaged too much. Tooling can be improvised for the most part but I don't think there are open-source EMGs or MRIs.
>>52871847 >Grow up and realize software doesn't come in magtapes anymore, and an operating system either means just the kernel or the full distribution, not just a list of packages
Error. circular comment dependency detected.
Try disabling some USE flags and try again.
i'd just like to interject for a moment, what you're referring to as Linux+GNU+aptitude+xorg+KDE is in fact Linux+GNU+aptitude+xorg+KDE+systemd, or as I've recently taken to calling it, systemd + some off its modules.
Because GNU just werks no matter what but if Linux doesn't work then nothing works. GNU was already mature and just needed a kernel, and most discussion went about Linux and what platforms it can support.
Imagine a company called Linux made chair legs and a company called GNU made the chair.
>linux legs don't support my carpet!
>linux legs slip on wet floor!
>linux legs break when I lean back!
>linux legs make my chair too high!
>linux legs make my chair wobble!
>meanwhile no one cares about GNU Chair.
>it is always comfy and it never breaks
>GNU Chair always comes with Linux legs
>No one talks about GNU but everybody talks about Linux
>People just start calling the whole chair Linux because that's where discussion is going.
>bare minimum software required to have a functioning system that allows you run other programs.
This bare minimum software as you just defined it includes literally all dependencies for any given program.
Acronym for GNU Network Object Model Environment. (Pronounced guh-nome.) GNOME is part of the GNU project and part of the free software, or open source, movement.
Hurd isn't actually the kernel.
It's a system of programs to give normal *nix userspace functionality and other super cool shit on top of GNU Mach.
Mach is the kernel, but conceptually any microkernel could be used with Hurd.
Chair is a full name for something complete. People are not just running GNU software as their full system. They might not have Gnome or even a fork of Gnome. They might be using SystemD which is very likely in many distributions. The whole thing is happening after GNU essential parts are added with other things. Using a metaphor where GNU is the whole product is flawed.
Distribution name is the chair. Debian is a chair, Arch is a chair. Fedora is a chair. Mint is a chair.
In monolithic kernels, the drivers are also inside the kernel. That means that everything that has something to do with making the software communicate with the hardware is already in the kernel. It would be more logical to call the system that runs programs with the name of your monolithic kernel.
However, I agree with >>52874731
It doesn't have to be "Linux" if there would be a replacement name. Distribution names are almost that already, but distributions don't differ that much from each other so they could be a common name for all of them. Too bad the most common one isn't using GNU software (Android). I usually just say Linux for the rest of them and Android for Android, since the rest of them are more like each other and Android is different.
>in that case, a better analogue would be that Linux is both the legs and the seat, while GNU is the armrest. Linux can easily function without GNU (see Android) but GNU has no purpose without Linux.
Then why is it called "android" and not just "linux", or at least "android/linux"?
Hint: because linux is just a kernel and android is the os.
>GUYS WHY DONT YOU USE SUPERIOR LINUX LIKE ME?
>Alright, I'm new, can someone help me understand it a little?
>NO LOL WHY ARE YOU SUCH A RETARD?!!! LOLOLOL *smug anime face*
>Alright, well, I'll go use Windows/Mac OS X, they have the tools necessary for someone to pick it up and use it.
It's a wonder how you retards can't see past your self-depreciation long enough to realize that your autistic alienating attitudes discourages people from using GNU/Linux.
Then again, if more people used it you would just resent them because you're not special anymore for using an 'obscure' operating system.
Because freetards are genuinely autistic and retarded.
No seriously, whenever I end up looking something even remotely freetard related it feels like everyone is going out of their way to make simplistic retarded shit seem as complicated, dated and completely ass backwards as humanly possible. It's just baffling. It reminds me of those shallow individuals who try to hide their simplicity and lack of depth behind fancy misplaced terms and end up being saying a lot without actually saying anything.
The whole thing is pretty much Overcompensation: The Ideology.