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>CS majors: "muh jobs"
>reality: "highest rate of unemployment"

https://www.studyinternational.com/news/uk-computer-science-has-the-highest-rate-of-unemployed-graduates

neckbeards on suicide watch
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>universities promise students jobs and money
>students trust the schools so they follow that path
>those jobs never existed
>students need to continue education to get into new career path
>give more money to universities

Good business model if you ask me.
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Let me guess: the unemployed are those who hated their math classes, barely passed them, and wanted to code games
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>working
>2016
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>>52868023
>2016
>not living in a socialist country
>not having glorious free education
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>>52867921
>UK
No thanks. I'm happy with my 120k job right after graduation in the U.S where I don't have to deal with Mohammeds every day.
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>>52868052
Why would I need to take calculus to make games...
Don't worry, you'll see me when I'm the next notch making millions upon millions
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>>52868184
>free

I'm not sure you know how shit works chuckles.
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>neckbeards
you know damn well that the "neckbeard" is becoming a minority in CS and tech jobs
average joes are picking up these degrees now because they think it's easy money and an easy job
and a lot of people with these degrees skate by in school with ok grades, no internships, no projects, don't pay attention in class beyond the bare minimum
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>>52868298
Dude, words are powerful weapons, you almost killed me with how you used them. Fucking priceless.
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>>52868184
That makes the situation worse, berncuck
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>>52867921
Making 6 figures straight out college, fuck off NEETfags
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>CS
>not Information Systems
kek you nerds deserve negative consequences for your poor life choices, and I hope you feel bad about them
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>tfw I fell for the meme
>get masters only to end up NEET
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>UK

found the problem
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That's what they get for not majoring in the superior major Information Systems.
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>>52870308
IS is literally retard the degree

Worse than women's studies
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>>52868052
Pretty much this.

So many people in my CS degree were just not cut out for it.

>>52868298
If you do not have a good understanding of things like acceleration, momentum, velocity, and so on - you are not going to be making very good games.

Bad movement is the #1 thing that kills games in my opinion.
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>>52871534
CS dweeb detected. I'll enjoy bossing your ass around cuck.
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>>52867921
>implying even 89% of CS grads can code
It's more like 5%
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>>52871636
>implying I'd work for a shitty company that hires poop like you
You're still retarded even if you're my boss
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>>52869337
There is significantly less risk. You will only have to pay more taxes if you end up earning more, instead of working 10 years at mcdonalds to pay off your shitty debt.
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It's simply not enough to just pass. That doesn't teach you enough. You learn what you learn in 3 years in college in about 4 months of working.

During college, you can't just go to college for 4 hours, listen to the professors and then expect to be fine. You're not. You need to take initiative. Create programs. Put those skills to work. Only this way you will realize how much there is that you don't understand.
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>>52871906
just skip listening to the professors and go straight to creating programs. professors often know very little and foster confused as fuck students which eventually become retarded professors.
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>>52872015
Yeah, that too. And they always insist that you buy their books with like 2 star ratings on amazon.
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>>52872015
All my best professors had industry experience. The ones with industry experience also seemed to understand the more theoretical things better.
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>UK
Heh.
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>>52867921
>UK
>A tiny island
>the entire market
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>>52872091
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>>52867921
>3rd world country
>relevant
When people talk about jobs they talk about America. Not 3rd world nations like Europe or Africa or wherever the fuck you foreigners are from.
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Every knows that you're better off working freelance as a programmer so you can claim unemployment benefits, run a patron account, and gain tax free income.
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>>52868184
Everyone has gratis education
MIT OCW, khan Academy, coursera, random fucking people all over fucking YouTube
>muh accredited
Well you don't care about education, you care about resume resources
Stop pretending you're fighting for education then you fucking faggot
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i looked at the first image and immediately closed it

good example of misleading statistics. thanks for the chuckle, op.
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>>52872387
>moron culture demands paper because it can't into applying reason to hiring
>paper becomes a required thing worth fighting for
he ain't pretending. education doesn't mean learning anymore. it means different forms of paper. even if it doesn't even represent anything anymore.
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>>52872140
Welcome to the 21st century bub.

>A tiny island.
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>>52871614
I remember John Carmack lecturing at QuakeCon (2013?) about lights and physics in video game development. He admitted that very, very little of physics actually matters, as in it pertains to very little of development. And then, the artists usually are able to make up for any realistic portrayal of physics with other means.
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>>52872580
this. video game physics is very different from real physics. and video game physics is much more aesthetic.

i imagine though that good video game physics is implemented by people with some interest in real physics.
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>>52871614
>So many people in my CS degree were just not cut out for it.

And yet the popular mindset on here is that anyone not pursuing a STEM degree is worthless?
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>>52872659
the popular mindset is dumb as hell. it isn't even worth considering.
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>>52872659
The popular mindset here is to:
Become NEET, because to do otherwise is wageslavery
Install linux
Rice linux with anime wallpapers
Write toy programs exclusively in C or lisp
Spend your days arguing about why product x is better than product y

I don't know why you would want to follow the /g/ mindset.
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>>52872930
The only thing you should take away from /g/ is to not do what /g/ is doing.
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>>52867921
Great jobs are out there if you have the skills, yet most candidates can barely pass FizzBuzz.
When you have personal projects, solid internships or a proven track record, work comes to you.
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>>52872930
>Install linux

To be fair, installing GNU/Linux makes many programming tasks a lot of things easier to do, because of the package manager and debugger software that requires the OS source code to write.

>Write toy programs exclusively in C or lisp

Most people I see on here seem to think C isn't worth learning because C++ is better.
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>>52873064
>work comes to you
no? it comes from nepotism. i could fizzbuzz 5 years ago. still haven't found a job and i program my own open source projects for 3-10hrs a day.
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>>52872659
yeah, so maybe they're just worthless then.

or is that too politically incorrect?
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>>52873190
What kinds of open source projects?
What do you do for money?
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>>52873190
what languages do you use? are you autistic by any chance?
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>>52867921
>UK

No thanks, don't you only need like a 50% to get a 4.0 GPA in their meme schools?
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>>52873190
Are you saying the fedora tip doesn't seal the deal at job interviews?
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>>52873190
You sound so much like ME. anon! Share gits on 3?
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>>52873456
just pet projects for my own use. currently working on an async ranger replacement in C. previously i made a toolset of scripts to download and archive my animu automatically to my server. before that i made an sqlite wrapper in bash to run queries in getopts style with zsh completion. before that a bunch of small shitty experiment programs in ruby/haskell/c#. before that, i made a full danmakufu using C++ and SDL.

pic related: old footage from the game.
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>>52873190
You should probably fix up your LinkedIn profile. Recruiters harass me all the time and my profile isn't even that amazing.
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>>52873873
is there any alternative to using social media? i really dislike it.
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>>52873930
Not really that I can think of. You don't even need to go on LinkedIn after setting it up. Create the page, fill out your experience and watch the emails come in.
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>>52873945
ugh, it's autofinding people i dont want anything to do with!
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>>52873966
Deal with it? LinkedIn is probably the most anti-social social network there is
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>>52873945
No, it's much more than that
I have 0 connections so I never get any emails
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>>52873986
well this would link my repos to the account and i dont want these people seeing that kind of info.
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>>52874008
>he doesn't want corporate recruiters to see his repos

i think we're getting closer to the heart of why you've really been unemployed for 10 years
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>>52874008
Well, just create a public github account with code you feel comfortable sharing and link that instead. A portfolio is important to get contacted.

>>52873995
Do you have any current/former colleagues you can add? Also check you have all the programming languages you know and for how many years you've known them listed under skills. That's primarily how recruiters find you (search candidate >3 years C++, and boom they find you)
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>>52874035
no one said that. i specifically dont want old faggot stoners i went to school with seeing my repos. i dont want family members harassing me. i'm not going to sacrifice privacy for job prospects.
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>>52874066
dude

what the fuck

how unbelievably fucking low are the odds that your 80-year old grandpa is going to stumble upon your linkedin, look at your repos, realize that you're good with computers, and start calling you at 3am to install adobe reader, versus a trained and educated HR recruiter using very specific keyword searches to find you and giving you a call

are you fucking out of your mind

are you sure you don't just like being a NEET
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>>52874172
this

who the fuck is so interested in your life that they're trying to stalk your repos
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>>52874172
like i said, i already have people being autoassociated with me. their fucking faces appear on my account. some of these people have physically harassed me in school. others family members have weird obsessive control issues. i also have anime-related projects in my repos. you think maybe you dont know what the fuck you're talking about yet?
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>dudebro goes for CS degree because he likes videogames and facebook
>actually hates math and learning about technology; barely stumbles through his classes
>surprised when he doesn't get a job

GPA matters more with STEM degrees than it does elsewhere. You need to prove that you really have the hard skills nailed down, because otherwise, you're going to deliver a broken product.

With programming jobs, employers are also looking for a portfolio of personal projects, unrelated to employment or classes. It shows that you can work and problem solve without being directed all the time. How many of those dudebros do you think code in their spare time?

The fact that the jobs pay a lot when you actually get them says that there is something of a shortage of workers that employers view as qualified, and that they just don't trust Mr. 2.0 GPA from a no-name university and no personal projects to be a good programmer.
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>>52874223
Reeeeeeeeeeeaaaalllly not surprising that you can't find work
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>>52874264
add compromising your privacy to my original list and you can find work. cool.
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>>52874299
If you're really concerned, create a separate email just for LinkedIn. Then create a separate GitHub for non-weeaboo projects. Sadly, data mining is too prevalent for LinkedIn to not continue to suggest people you may know.
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>>52867921
What is true for some countries is not true for others.
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>>52874223
>I'll just stand and watch while my friend gets raped and passes out
Nice one, Ilya
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>>52874351
how do i link an old job i had briefly without triggering the people that work there?
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>>52874223

You sound paranoid.

The only people who give a fuck if you're into anime are insecure manchildren who would be forced to acknowledge themselves as trash if they judged people using criteria that actually mattered, kids fresh out of school who haven't had the responsibilities of adulthood hit them yet, and unskilled workers/welfare babies who are going to be acting like they're still in middle school when they're 60 because they never learned to get their priorities straight (there's a reason why they're driving around in a beat-up junker when their 20s are ancient history).

Your boss isn't going to care. He just wants to know if you're a good programmer and if you're capable of working with the team. Actually, he might be into anime himself. It's pretty common in the field.
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>>52874066
>>52874223
Guys look. Actual autism. And a weeb to no surprise.
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>>52869337
yeah. it's called societal contract. tax payers pay for college educations because 1. they profit of the free college education they got from society and 2. everybody pays their share in taxes so nobody has to actually pay for college so chances are better for people with less money.

so much for your american dream, rep cucks. other countries have better infrastructure for it now. good job.
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>>52874507
rude. at least i'm contributing to the thread and answer questions.
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>>52874507
Dank frog bro
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anyway. living NEET is better than this linkedin bullshit. thanks all for trying.
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>UK professionals are also concerned about rising rates of inequality in the subject, since recent figures show that 87 percent of Computer Science enrolments within the UK belong to men, meaning that females represent just 13 percent of the subject’s total graduates, earning Computer Science the title of the most gender imbalanced subject taught in contemporary UK higher education.

So glad white males are getting what they deserve for keeping us out of coding.

I have no pity for them.
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>>52874629
Kill yourself self loathing retard. Along with all the other losers who think jobs should come to them. Meanwhile I'm 19 and already a junior with a internship that pays $16 and hour. I also get fucked up and smash prime teen pussy every weekend. You may as well commit suicide now because you will never be me.
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>>52874735
you're bragging about how early you ruined your life by rushing into a slavery. you're fucking bragging about it. and it's for pennies on the dollar. i make more without a fucking job. and pussy? could you be more conventional?

not everyone has shallow as fuck aspirations.
and again, rude.
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>>52867921

I had a job with a 401k the semester before I graduate with my CS degree. I must be an outlier.
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>>52874776
get a job you sack of shit. i bet your parents don't love you
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>>52872445

To be fair, it's hardly unheard of for CS majors to go unemployed, particularly those with bad grades, no internships, and no personal portfolio.

But yeah, it's pretty misleading. They should talk about median income for degrees instead, and possibly what percentage are actually employed in their major's field. A fair number of the fields right of architecture have very few jobs in the field and the jobs that they do have pay like shit. They probably found work elsewhere. A history major working as a mail room clerk is still employed, and probably not happy. On the flip side, putting yourself in the employer's shoes, would you expect the CS graduate to stick around in your mail room?
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tfw im SE major and everyone is shitting on the degree....
rofl i dont really know what to think anymore
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>>52874680

>keeping us out

They're not employed in coding because they choose not to pursue it. If it's so important to you that women and minorities work in coding in a country where people can make their own life choices, then if you're a woman or minority, its your responsibility to become a coder instead of becoming some social studies or journalist bitch who just uselessly whines about it.

Or would you prefer to live in a communist state where the white man actually has the power that you seem to be trying to allot to them and can make the decision about what you're going to do with your life for you and force you to become a coder against your will to "fix the inequality"?
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>>52872633
Have you seen Kingdom Come: Deliverance?
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>>52874254
What would be an ideal GPA for EE or CE ?
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90% of kids in my CS classes are there to make video games.

No wonder they're unemployed.
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>>52867921
Meanwhile in real life...
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>>52867921
>uk has the highest rate of unemployed graduates
shocking
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>>52872659
The popular mindset is that Google, Oracle and others want cheap slaves to do their coding work.
Since they can't get enough H1Bs, they'll just train a generation of kids to follow a hollow dream instead, because that's not at all imoral.
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>>52867921

UK and Europoors. Not surprised.
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>muh >more women in tech
>only 6% of grads are female
>"okay, lets hire fewer people or outsource to those poor impoverished nations"
>fucking SJW everywhere
>oh, btw, CS has massive unemployment
You don't fucking say.

This problem has been manufactured by people who simply hate guys that are introverted, nerdy, etc. Same shit why feminists attack video games but not hip hop, they're not attacking actual misogynists, just the ones they don't like

Keep telling yourself SJW doesn't effect you. They're every female hr ever.
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>>52875994

Women != feminists. Most women can see the problems with the feminist narrative, and they don't want feminists cutting into their fun, belittling their accomplishments, filling their offices with incompetent self-entitled workers, or forcing them to grant fake respect to horrible people, either.

The real issue is that a lot of feminists and racial activists get into left wing politics, journalism, social sciences, and education strictly to push their agendas. We need a counter-push of people who are against these policies to enter those same fields, which actually seems to be in the cards, but is unfortunately going to take some time to set up.

>Yeah, good fucking luck not having the road cut off the moment that you dare to raise your voice against the narrative.

Fighting the status quo is always a dangerous, uphill battle against the powers that be. That doesn't mean that you're doomed to fail before you even start. We have numbers and reason on our side.
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>>52876127
>Women != feminists.
Women typically follow the cliches and trends of their group, they're more collectivist (or more politely, "social"). So when a manager is looking for HR, they look for sociology grads. These people typically follow the intellectual fashion of a sociology schools, which is feminism, extreme left, etc.

Say what you want, I know my bogan future wife isn't a man hater, but her friend in HR is.

HR is what's hurting us, it's what's caused this graduate unemployment. If hiring isn't being done meritocratically without any adherence to identity (race, orientation, culture, religion) there's absolutely going to be a productivity loss. Thus: unemployment.
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>>52876218

The HR people are under pressure from the aforementioned groups. The company looks "bad" if their employees are mostly white males, regardless of the circumstances around that. My mom's actually an HR person (it's one of her jobs, anyways), and she agrees with my arguments against affirmative action, but still follows it, because it's what her employer demands of her.

The only thing that will fix the whole problem on a mass scale is a complete shakeup of left wing politics. People need to begin organizing against this group that wants to pretend like we're still in the middle of the civil rights era and attempts explain every social issue in terms of how the white man oppresses everybody else, pushing fierce double standards and dodging personal responsibility in the process.
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>>52876346
>The HR people are under pressure from the aforementioned groups.
No. They're not. They're EDUCATED to be how they are, they were INDOCTRINATED via their own collectivist mentality. This is not an organised conspiracy, this may not even be conscious despite how real it is, ultimately all that really needs to change is tertiary education.

>The company looks "bad" if their employees are mostly white males,
Employee statistics, least of all demographic statistics, do not need to be made known. Companies are profit maximisers, not populists, they want profit and productivity it's in their best interest to hire not for diversity, but for who will provide the most productivity.

No, this comes directly from hr.

>but still follows it, because it's what her employer demands of her.
No, trust me, she's patronising you.

There is no organising or moving against the real enemy, which is Marxism. It's just an idea, which is why it's such a malignant enemy, it slips into schools via professors who know nothing except what's in their books, given to impressionable young women to make them feel good about redistributing opportunities based on their own identity politics.

Again, this problem has an obvious cause.
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Let's ignore the SJW shit for a moment. Even if it wasn't happening, the bubble is bursting. Hard.

LinkedIn and Tableau lost 50% of their market cap in a day. Tableau is continuing to freefall and lost another 10% today.
Twitter is down 80% over the past few months and that's expected to continue with their earnings report this week.
Tesla, the tech darling, is down 40% YOY.
Microsoft, Apple, and Google have all clearly cut down in their QA efforts alongside features. They're also desperately trying to get more H1B slaves, I mean workers, in to bring down costs.
Fitbit has crashed down to earth.
Yelp's CEO resigned today
Paypal's CTO resigned today
Zenefit's CEO resigned today

Gravy train is over.
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>>52876519
Oh, and I forgot Yahoo. That clusterfuck might top them all. Marissa Mayer cashed out today.
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>>52867921
Information Systems masterrace reporting in.
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>>52876530
source
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>>52876553
http://nypost.com/2016/02/06/marissa-mayer-cashes-in-on-yahoos-stock-awards/
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>>52876127
This is true, in the US women identifying as feminist is down from 28% in 2014 to 17% in 2015.

Going to the UN for e-harrassment really fucked up their image.
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>>52876218
Are you australian? You guys don't live in the real world.
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>>52876458

>No. They're not.

Yes, they are. Activist groups will bring your company under fire for being racist/sexist unless you hire the black woman over the white man. Your partners might enforce this by withdrawing support.

It's like being scared to argue against feminism for fear of your career, but on a company-wide scale. There's pressure to conform, even if you don't personally agree with it. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.


>Employee statistics, least of all demographic statistics, do not need to be made known. Companies are profit maximisers, not populists, they want profit and productivity it's in their best interest to hire not for diversity, but for who will provide the most productivity.

"Companies are logical machines who always act in the interest of efficiency first" is a big, stupid myth. Companies are ran by people, and they're always doing stupid shit in the name of the executives' egos or due to cases like this where a narrative is being enforced and everybody is scared to challenge it. The game industry is an example that you're likely familiar with.


>No, trust me, she's patronising you.

She's not the sort. She's not always the most logical person, but her method of disagreement is "present counter-argument, yell at you when you when you do anything other than blindly agree". She wouldn't pretend to agree.
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>>52876218
Where the fuck do you live that HR has any fucking opinion on who gets hired? It is their fucking job to provide hiring managers with eligible candidates, the hiring manager ultimately chooses.

If the hiring manager wants to skip HR altogether, they will open up a contract to hire position.
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>>52867921
Why don't they come here to the Netherlands for a job then?
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>>52876607
>unless you hire the black woman over the white man

That's literally illegal in California, which is why Silicon Valley stronk

The companies that are currently fucked are just over valued SF babby startups. The real SV is down near San Jose.
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Several months after graduation I left my old job paying me $50k a year, to work at Amazon for 105k a year plus a 20k yearly bonus. CS isn't a bad degree. The students getting a CS degree are fucking retarded though.
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American kids need to quit chasing programming as a career. If you're a Computer Science major, consider other options.

Knowing C+ is going to help you, but jobs in Networking and IT are always going to be in demand. Because they require a bit if interpersonal skills as well as computer skills, Marcus and Charles from USA are more marketable than Advik from India and Son from Korea.

I know, you wanted to be Zuckerberg, but that ship sailed 15 years ago.
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If you do CS or CIS, you need to do it in a city where there are a lot of internship opportunities available and get your foot in the door early.

So, basically, treat it like it's any other worthwhile degree program.
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>>52868298
Vector calculus is the foundations for graphical programming you inept retard
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>>52874802
This is /g, not /b.
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>>52876535
Reporting in.


CS cucks on suicide watch.
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>>52876760
CIS/IS is very different from CS.

CS is focused more on concepts and programming, CIS is more of a general survey of computer solutions for businesses.

Internships are important for any job. In CS you have the dream of one day working for Google and living on the west coast. In IS, you have a better chance of finding a job out of college.
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>>52876923
I have had a few coworkers who worked at google, all of them said the same thing. When you work at google, google is your life, there is nothing outside of google.

A lot of people who work at startups and places like google will actually leave the field entirely after 10 years and do shit like start a coffee shop or sandwich shop or hobby store or what not because they get completely burnt out.

You see shit like that all over the place in silicon valley, my cousin is dating a guy who worked himself into health problems and once his stock options vested, literally retired and now is living off of savings while he works as a barista.
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>>52867921
more like, all indians on suicide watch
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>>52876955
Sounds like the HBO show is more true to life than I thought it was.
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>>52876955
That's only that way because they want it to be that way. I work at Google and come in at 9:30 and leave at 5.
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>>52876519
Tech bubble 2.0 is getting BTFO

NASDAQ fell 3.5% on Friday and another 2% today

Silicon Valley will be the next Detroit
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>>52876955
>How it feels to burn out on software
>Every time you look at the computer screen its like seeing the face of your rapist and he wants more
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>>52869337
I would rather pay someone's education than NSA's Mass Surveillance
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>>52876992
Indian here, can confirm
Literally every other person in India right now is a CS grad, the industry is so oversaturated that jumping in the CS stream now means there's unemployment and huge debt waiting for you
CS grads from India are terrible, I asked my CS grad friend whats the difference between a Mebibyte and a megabyte, and he was blank, he had no idea, nor did any of his batch mates. I knew it because I fuck around a lot with Linux, because I'm a NEET (but that's unrelated to using Linux)
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>>52877079
DESIGNATED
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>>52877086
Dear Sir,
Please not abuse me sir
Thanking you,
Pajeet patel
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>>52877116
should've attached your CV to that post
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>>52877079
>ask some poor retarded indian random fucking trivia
>that sure showed him
at least pick something of merit if you want to demonstrate incompetence.
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>>52877152
Anon if a CS grad can't answer that he's pretty incompetent. It was a very simple question that a CS grad MUST be able to answer
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>>52867921
>UK

Because that's what I think when I think "tech jobs."
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>>52874629
Not even kidding, go and see a psych about your issues in creating a LinkedIn profile. You've probably been NEET for too long and can't bring yourself to re-integrate. I've been there, and you can't allow yourself to be swept along with it, you have to fight.
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>>52875016
Starting salary for those kind of jobs is still 100k, nothing immoral about offering money like that for skilled, hard work in return.
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>>52877743
I've been NEET 5 years. I've been a loner since childhood. This thread is the highlight of my socializing for the month.
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>>52876530
>>52876560
Did you even read the article you linked? She hasn't cashed out anything yet
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>>52877012
Watering the plants doesn't count, anon.
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>>52877769
There's lot of people like you at tech companies that sought help and found a niche to fit into, with regular socialisation. It doesn't have to be this way. I wouldn't wish the only socialisation being on this fucking terrible board on anyone.
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>>52877765
>skilled, hard work
sitting in a chair and typing isn't work, no office job is real work.
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>>52867921
so why did you post an image about norwegian oil production?
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>>52877862
They pay you for the thoughts in your head, idiot.

Using your body to do things is literally the lowest job tier possible, once people start paying you for your brain you will start making huge amounts.
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>>52877862
Good thing they're not just sitting and typing, they're solving business problems by applying algorithmic methods.

>no office job is real work.
Try doing a real programming job for 8+ hours a day for months and tell me how not 'real' it is. It's incredibly mentally tiring
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>>52877904
>>52877906
Maybe you've seen me in other threads, but I'm the pro kickboxer/boxer, I'm starting to get paid real money and I'll be making your entire life's wage in a few fights pretty soon.
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>>52877958
I seriously doubt that, but good luck. I wouldn't personally accept any money for a career where I'm regularly getting concussed
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>>52877974
Sour grapes, my dad was a few tournament wins away from representing the US in TKD, I've been training since I was a kid and have never had a concussion or been knocked out.
And I'm a HW anyways, the weight class with the least amount of injuries and the best longevity.
You're just mad I'll be making your entire life's wage in a fight or two before I'm 25.
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>>52877862
what does that even mean? seriously gotta be out doing manly manly work for it to be real work.

What about doctors, what about researchers, say medical ones just as an example. "Good work smith nice work on building that vaccine, I'd say you worked hard for that, but you know some autist on 4chan disputes what you do is work"
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All I know is when I saw this trend of kids that had no buisness in CS join the major, I jumped ship to Computer Engineering. From what I've seen the people are much smarter on average and actually have a good mindset for problem solving. At my university it's also harder to get into CE or EE so it requires you to not be autistic. So far I'm glad I made the switch since the number of internships available literally doubled since now I have programming and hardware experience.
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>>52871614
This faggot thinks everyone programs their own physics
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>>52878073
EE is cool. I'd like to take a class or two in their department before I finish my masters. I don't actually know what CE entails.
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>>52868052
>wanted to code games
i saw so many neckbeards in my undergrad who thought this is what CS would allow them to do. some of them even got buttfrustrated with me when i pointed out that developing games wouldn't be the same as playing games.

now i'm actually glad some of them work in game studios. the few times i hear from them it's clear they're under stupid amounts of pressure and stress.
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>>52878101
It's basically a CS and EE double major. You pretty much have to take all the core classes of both majors along with additional ones based on what you want you want to specialize in. I've learned a lot and I'm really happy I switched. It's hard as fuck but it's definitely going to pay off.
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>>52878045
And the difference between me and and an NFL player is that they get hit in training everyday. At this point I fight once or twice a month, and have ended 100% of my kickboxing fights in the first round, and all but one of my boxing fights, one went to decision because I got food poisoning and was gassed in the first.
I spar MAYBE once every two weeks anymore with very light contact with green guys that don't hit hard and are several weight classes below me, football players are doing full effort drills every day.
Yet again, sour grapes, you are trying to make yourself feel better by downplaying my life, when in reality you are just mad at yourself that you are getting paid much less than me while you wasted time, money, and energy going to get some dumb degree while I'm already making more than you and I dropped out of an associate's degree program.
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>>52878128
Why does this sound like a copypasta
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>>52877958
Have fun with your 45 year life span.
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>>52878101
I'm a Linux sysadmin with a degreen in business (information systems), my mentor who was a unix admin had a degree in computer engineering.

We make about the same but he is way smarter than me.
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>>52867921
I can post a link of Indian people having a booming CS field as well. Did you intentionally add confirmation bias or are you just an idiot?
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>>52878163
CompE major here, the EE classes that I had to take were leagues ahead in difficulty than any of the CS classes. Even though they weren't similar material, they make you into a very good programmer.
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>>52878140
Because his posts are basically a non-self-aware parody of this

Who the fuck brags about their career on /g/ for christ's sake
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>>52878010
>don't want to get a concussion
>"m-muh s-sour grapes!"
>"j-just watch, I-I'll make tons of money!"

okay champ, whatever you say
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>>52868052

That's pretty much me ;_;

I found a decent paying job though so IDK
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>>52867921
I can't understand how this is possible. The number of open programming positions in Australia is astronomical and dwarfs the number of CS grads. I understand it's the same in the US.
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>>52878456
Too bad there are already 1.4 million programmers.
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>>52878467
omg anon dont show you mental disability like that
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>>52878479
>don't show you mental

Anon, it doesn't say that there will be 1.4 million MORE jobs, just that there are 1.4 million total, all of which are taken by much more experienced programmers.

The US graduates about 50k computer science students a year, which is a much more reasonable number.
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>>52878508
That makes no sense, the purpose of the graph is to illustrate new job opportunities not that the current market is saturated. It's from Code.org that is intended to encourage new people into the industry, not tell them there's no jobs and that they should fuck off elsewhere.

The graph is a little poorly made, but it's probably intended to show 1.4m new jobs, not filled jobs.
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>>52878544
That's not what the graph says anon.
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>>52867921
I'm in Northern Ireland and was offered a job in the first year of my 4 year uni degree, complete with internships in between years, placement, the whole shebang.

CS seems very healthy here and the local gvmt is begging people to get into the field because there will be x number of excess jobs than graduates in the future.

Is it a different story in mainland UK?
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>>52878605
Pretty sure it s
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>>52873539
What are you smoking
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>>52877904
>>52877958

Anon, he is getting paid for his brain, just in a different way. Like brain damage way.
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>>52874974
>implying GPAs matter in the face of rampant grade inflation
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>>52878730
What the fuck are you talking about? Grade inflation makes GPA matter even more. If everyone else is getting 3.5s and you're a dumbfuck who got a 2.5, what is a company going to think about you?
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>>52868184
> socialists actually believe this
And all the countries with "free" education and healthcare are terrible and in the decline.
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>>52878631
How is Northern Ireland? Is it true it's all white and I can own guns? I need someone to escape to when America collapses. :^)
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>>52878741
>putting your gpa on your resume

Anon why would you do this?
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>>52878631
Northern Ireland is absolutely massive for codemonkey jobs and has been for the last few years. Not so much in different parts of the UK.
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>>52878762
Because I'm not a dumbfuck who got a bad GPA.
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>>52878760
Ireland is so economically depressed that lots of western companies have set up call centers there instead of India or the Phillipines. Hopefully that tells you something about how desirable a place it is to live
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>>52878856
Northern Ireland is in the UK's economy
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>>52878866
80k young people are leaving per year https://www.vice.com/read/the-irish-emigration-crisis--a-new-century-an-old-problem, so there must be something wrong
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>>52878903
It's brain drain due to high tier/high paying companies in various fields being absent.
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>>52878921
Shame, we have the same problem in Australia, to a lesser degree
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>>52878117
Sounds like it's worth it.
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>>52878752
>implying
European countries with free healthcare and education tend to have among the highest happiness rates
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>>52879044
obviously denial.
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>>52877904

This.

Any retard can carry a box or dig a ditch, and they get paid appropriately. Only lower industry is the service industry.

Work that calls on mental prowess is tiring in its own right. You have to focus hard for a long time, and it inevitably becomes tedious and/or stressful at times. At the end of the day, you're just as fucking done as would be after a day of putting boxes into a truck (no stranger to this, BTW), if not more so.

I'll also say that STEM isn't referred to as the fields that society absolutely needs in order to function for nothing. If we didn't have any boxers, we'd just be out one form of entertainment (a form that's not even all that popular these days, mostly because the talent pool died off when people realized that making a career out of getting into fights inevitably turns you into a cripple). On the flip side, if you didn't have people sitting behind desks spending long hours designing everything from the material used for the ring to the lighting, you wouldn't even have a good arena for the boxing match to take place in, much less a big flashy HBO broadcast. The work of people sitting behind desks today is also going to result in an even higher quality experience for fans both in the seats and at home in the future. Someday, as biology makes progress, they'll probably even be able to undo the damage done to the dumbass participants!

The work of these so-called non-workers are what distinguish us from monkeys. A STEM worker's ability and effort can literally be a life or death difference, in many different ways. Their work is that important. For our part, CS majors are responsible for designing algorithms used in everything from medical equipment to lab testing equipment to transportation to security.
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>>52878962
It is because the government of the UK and Australia are filled with luddites who are outright hostile to technology.

I wouldn't setup shop in a shitty surveillance state, that will be made worse if the snoopers charter goes through. Nor in a place without decent infrastructure that is held back by dinosaurs in government who can't comprehend cutting corners on infrastructure spending is foolish. Of course they handed the NBN to the Telstra monopoly so it will stay shit too, not like it wasn't already lagging behind other countries.
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>>52879044
Get back to me when European countries don't censor media or arrest you for mere words, when that happens you might have a case about them being better.
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>>52879581
>moving the goalposts
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>>52879573
Tell me about it, I'm looking for jobs overseas. Liberals are going to win again, and we're going to fall further behind. We're already behind a handful of African countries now, can't imagine how bad it will be in 5 years
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>>52878760
All white, yes. In Belfast (our main city) you'll see the odd foreigner every 100 people but everywhere else? Foreigner free.

Lots of poles moved here 10ish years ago, but they're now all well integrated, can speak the language and indeed have contributed heavily to my local (catholic) church which continues to warm my heart.

And as for guns, we're only 18ish years out from our conflict. Plenty of guns about.

Also, our students are the smartest / most well educated in the UK. We consistently top the charts for GCSE and A level results.
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>>52879581
The U.S. does that too.
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>>52871704
Literally all companies hire people like him.
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>>52878780
>0 skills
>high gpa
yea the companies are gonna kill for you bro
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