Britain had a computer education program in the 1980s but people still fuck up their computer. Some people will be interested and take up computer related careers and others will not give a fuck. Similar to how gym works. Not everyone is a sports superstar
>>52708490 you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. People will learn basics of programming and then drop out as soon as they reach upper level stuff concerning theory and math. Learning how to do some tricks in Java doesnt make you employable.
I hope they teach to the University standard of computer science rather than just 'programming' so that everyone hates computer science when it's all proof by induction of various characteristics of data structures.
We teach a shitload of advanced subjects in high schools and universities already and yet only a tiny fraction actually do well enough with them to form a career.
Software and especially hardware engineering isn't going to see a burgeoning influx any time soon. The field will only be doomed once computers become more capable and computer engineering than humans are.
>>52709054 >Learning how to do some tricks in Java doesnt make you employable. This is not true. Learning how to do some tricks in Java is essentially what employers will hire you for. Most professional programmers never, ever use the mathematical proof part of the computer science degree unless they are one of the top 0.1% of paid and skilled computer scientists working on extremely large projects for companies like Google.
>>52709057 you know damn well thats not going to happen. Its going to be programming basics for highschoolers. Everyone will learn how to fizzbuzz. None of them will learn how to optimize their code or understand the underlying math behind good programs. Most of them wont learn pointers or memory allocation since it will all probably be python or java. Were just going to have a bunch of kids with half baked compsci skillsets. On the bright side, we'll have more technology literate people around.
>>52709106 Java specifically though is only valued in corporate infrastructure and Android though, both of which are shit-tier segments of the industry to work in. The most interesting jobs require languages that are far less newcomer-friendly than Java (C, C++, embedded C++, etc).
>computers are a "growth industry" >every dick head wants to get into it because it's a "Growth industry" >people who are passionate and interested in IT are up against normies for jobs >normies in interviews always do better than nerds >normies get the entry level jobs, nerds are left unemployed or in retail work >normies never ever learn new skills, get promoted ect. They stay in their entry level pleb job forever, it pays around 45-60k which is above the average real world wage >we then have to replace non entry level workers as they retire or get promoted >normies don't go for them, the nerds who would have built their skills in entry level work have no experience, we end up having to bring in foreign labour to fill positions >we try and tell HR pls just let us pick out own staff but no, they need to do psyche tests with all the validity of Phrenology on everybody to "ensure social cohesion" of all employees. >so every hiring cycle i sit there, and talk with a bunch of early 20's meathead, manbun wearing football playing morons who HR thinks are perfect becasue of their certificate 3 and 4 and try and convice them to give the mid 20 year old with acne and weird hand gestures/twitches who had a bach degree and multiple certifications a chance, just for once give me a fucking nerd and not a bro >if i hear "go out for a beer" test one more time i'm gunna go nuts, i called a guy and wanted him for the final round interviews, then HR told me he failed the "beer" test by saying he didn't drink or smoke in the interviews, and he doesn't have an interest in watching sports? what a weirdo am i right! so they just never called him to confirm a time for the interview, and told me not to reply to his calls or emails. >instead we have a guy with a fucking man bun who plays football every weekend and comes in hungover every monday, who just refuses to take a course in networking because he's perfectly fine with his 50k salary
>>52709265 >Chinese >white The only white people in this world are the pure white Scandinavians, and the liberals who control that region are fucking it all up by letting those disgusting terrorists live in their country. Why don't they all just put on Burqas now? Save us all the trouble of watching Arabs conquer Europe slowly?
>>52709225 >he failed the "beer" test by saying he didn't drink or smoke in the interviews, and he doesn't have an interest in watching sports I would question the legality of that determining employment.
>>52709225 Hey jackass, I'm a football player in my last year of undergrad pursuing a bachelors of science and I am passionate about computer science as a field. Nobody would sit through the shit the college programs and the NCAA puts us through and deal with the fucking man hours behind studying material and completing CS projects if they weren't dedicated to this shit.
I'm more dedicated to this shit than most of the mountain dew sippers that infest my classes.
>>52709371 sounds perfectly legal to me. you are not trying to tell an employee that they MUST drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, or watch sportsball, just that your work environment (for whatever arcane reason) prefers its employees to be precancerous alcoholics eternally chasing their highschool sportsball glory days. >>52709225 what state do you work in? city if you don't mind
>>52709379 if you know you are the exception, why do you feel the need to try to invalidate the entire statement? brogrammer culture is -- almost universally, by account -- a pretty big issue in the industry.
Is there anything actually wrong with being okay making 50k a year as a entry level programmer? Its good pay and you dont have too much relying on your work, so theres room for error, unlike someone higher in rank. Getting paid 50k a year to write fizzbuzz level code for a firm and looking for bugs doesnt sound too bad. Especially as a single man living on their own. Literally all of it can get saved up since you dont have kids, and youre also making a small enough amount to not get fucked in income tax. You'd make more money with better job security and easier work by saving and investing 50k a year in the US than you would making a higher amount for harder work. 70k to be a project manager is not an even trade given how easily shit can go wrong with large teams.
Every time this shit about "Programmin fur everyone" pops up anywhere in the world.
Guess how long we've been trying to teach basic ass math/physics class in school. Guess how many people gets past multivariable calculus classes even in decent university's STEM major, yet alone simple precalc classes.
>>52709486 >brogrammer culture is -- almost universally, by account -- a pretty big issue in the industry Indeed it is. Those types are quite often the ones that SJWs bitch about because quite frankly, they're obnoxious to anybody who isn't part of their group. The quiet awkward nerd types don't bother anybody because chances are they're off in their cubicle coding instead of bothering others. Only brogrammers like brogrammers.
>>52709547 This. I graduated in 2012 and the majority of my peers were barely getting Algebra 2 done in time for graduation. Programming is not something that everyone is going to be able to do. Hello world is one thing, but people who cant do basic algebra wont be able to handle variables, arrays, and functions.
>>52709616 >woah, you aren't about to get us to start liking SJWs here, for any reason. they're a whole nother can of worms I'm not, I'm just pointing out that the brogrammer group is responsible for much of the ire aimed at us and that the tech world would be better off without them.
seriously, what's up with the whole asians are yellow thing? they mostly have same skin colour as europeans or are brown if they are from southern asia, the only thing different are these retarded eyes
What does the term computer science mean ? If its for IT basics, thats like investing 4 billion on teaching people how to drive. If they have a minimal interest on doing it, they will learn by their own or go to classes.
>>52710113 Watching anime doesn't really make one weird either, at least not out here in northern California.
Neckbeards are a very particular species. Stereotypically, they're staunchly antisocial, highly negative, and don't just like anime but deeply embed it into their identities, buying merchandise that the average individual would find offputting and creepy. Put succinctly, neckbeards are socially and emotionally immature and are unhealthily obsessed with their hobbies.
And yes, you're right. I've met many intelligent, capable programmers and none of them are neckbeards. Most are fairly normal, well-adjust individuals.
>>52709674 >but people who cant do basic algebra wont be able to handle variables, arrays, and functions. I don't know about that anon. I'm one of those people who used to be bad (meaning lazy) at math, but when I took a couple mandatory programming classes in the IT program at my school, it actually helped me visualize pure math much much better by the time I was done. Or maybe it just means that I could do math all along and programming was the practice I needed in spite of my laziness. Could be either.
>>52709440 Melbourne >>52709375 Imagine a list of 100 personality words. Select the ones other people would call you now select the ones you would call yourself that is the entire official psyche test >>52709379 Good for you, you sure are a special unique snowflake that really bucks the trend. You aren't like all the other girls. >>52709371 they aren't saying you have to drink, just that drinking is a big part of the company culture, and a non drinker may have a difficult time fitting in. >>52709789 IT is a vital part of a company, they are the Nurses of the IT world compared to the CS people being the Doctors. >>52709901 yes they are, they are not terrible at IT because they have been trained to do the tasks they are required in entry level, which a well trained monkey could do, but they just never learn anything or try and improve their skills >>52710113 good IT personal are always weird, you'd have to be to dedicate yourselves to computers, they aren't all /r9k/ robots but compared to the binge drinking call of duty playing cricket watching normies they are definitely odd.
>>52711043 >Melbourne thank god >Imagine a list of 100 personality words.(...) i would fail this. i would probably end up describing others' views of me as "quiet" and/or "eccentric" because i find it really hard to lie about myself.
I'm guessing "computer science" in this regard amounts to "how to turn on your computer" and Microsoft Office software classes? I guess more computer exposure wouldn't be a bad thing, but programming and other general CS courses can't be taught to anyone without a vested interest in them. In fact it's a total waste of time and money.
We need more doctors and nurses. How about pushing more education in that field?
>>52711156 programming is cooler than ancient literature or basic math though. it's pretty visceral/hands-on in that you can get kids to really buy into it in a way i haven't seen/experienced with other grade/highschool level disciplines. i was lucky enough to have taken a couple years of programming in highschool. that's how they got me.
>>52711257 >math jobs Brah. There's research for math jobs just like there's research for CS. None of the dumb fucks on /g/ are doing CS research. Useless codemonkey shit is all they're at risk of losing.
>>52711406 Academia exists for more than getting you a fucking job. Trying to turn universities into job factories has only helped fuck it up but High School education is by far the biggest clusterfuck.
>>52711441 Academia is also a very well known-to-be waste of time when the end goal is to be employed in a specific field doing a specific task. Successfully completing a vast array of slightly related/unrelated pre-reqs and electives in regards to obtaining a degree essentially amounts to "hey I'm pretty smart I did this thing difficult thing this one time" on your resume.
why is Obama such a memer? he literally just gives the public what they want to hear, even if it's wrong. He's still pushing the gender wage gap even though it got debunked. He wants to push legislation that is made redundant by the equal pay act of 1963.
>>52711169 The medical field purposely limits the number of slots in medical schools to make being a doctor seem "prestigious". If you look at other places like Europe and Asia being a doctor is just a normal level job.
>>52712856 It's not debunked. When males and females do the same job with the same hours, females earn significantly less. The most suspected reason is that it's because females negotiate salaries far less than males.
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