I'm talking about the "good" outcome involving AI, the one where it doesn't want to kill us all for whatever reason, and the one where it's not controlled by an evil entity.
Think about it, actual AI will be able to perform any mental or physical task, it's limits compared to a human are, practically, nonexistent. It would have the means and materials to make itself "better and better", and if it couldn't do it initially by itself, we will surely help it and supply it whatever it needs.
And so there would not be a single job or activity it could not do, either by our request or from it's own initiative. Jobs would simply stop existing, as there is nothing it could not do for us. It could drive,farm, bake, program, and solve problems, it could take instructions in the same way a human worker does and it is tireless, emotionless,fast and efficient. It could do research, and it would actually be rigorous and won't falsify results for funding, all you would have to do is ask it, but even asking might not be necessary.
What possible "activity" would be left for humans? What would we do? Even if you travel and party and do whatever, you will get bored, you NEED something to do with a meaning. When AI can do anything, there is no meaning as it can do anything, and it does it better, faster and more efficiently than a human ever could. Even art, there are already lots of algorithms out there for creating music and rhymes and whatever.
We will simply get bored to death, and that's why I think that AI truly represents the end, even if it doesn't kill us violently.
Well, I think a Darwin-like situation would arise where those who are too bored will either off themselves or die from doing stupid shit to try to make things interesting for themselves. Then, there will be others that will continue doing things on their own without resorting to AI Jeebus. They would simply acknowledge the fact that the AI can do [insert task here] but they will proceed to do it anyways.
For example: I know I can just go out and buy a desk, but instead I decided to build my own.
I think that this level of AI would open a new level of human creativity because we would truly be free of any need to fulfill basic needs. The AI would essentially have us on auto pilot and we could pursue any dreams that we had in their entirety. At this point though, I think the biggest issue would actually be population control.
Yeah, but the AI can build a desk that folds and unfolds when it is needed, it will also be self organizing and it will be itself run by a copy of the AI or by a master AI that controls everything from somewhere in "the cloud". And you think nah your desk is fine, until you get tired of having to clean it and clean around it, and watch it waste your precious "space for activities" and then just get the AI desk.
Same goes for anything that you could think of doing after you are done with the desk. AI truly is the solution to everything, as it would be like us, only way way way more powerful.
>you NEED something to do with a meaning.
Like what? What is meaningful besides human experience and interpersonal relationships? I'm pretty sure robot-operated mcdonalds will not remove meaning from our lives.
>people that can't code A* on fucking java having opinions on AI
singularity is a hypothetical construct for everyone, even the ones who "majored" in that field
your argument is shit
>your opinion is not my opninion therefor REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
you really think people can live a live without work?
Man you are either 12 or a full neckbeard NEET with absolutely no experience in real life
If it really came to AI that took over most work by humans population would shrink by a big margin
Throughout all human history, some humans have existed in a state where they didn't need to do any work. They found stuff to do, and were generally pretty happy. Most the other humans wanted to be them.
We'll raise families, caring for our children and relatives in a way that's impossible if you also need to earn a wage.
We'll create art. Even if AI is capable of creating good quality art, the act of creation is still worthwhile. The artist can also be assisted by AI. When you have a super cool idea for a video game you can ask an AI to create most the assets for you following your style guidelines.
We'll consume art. There's suddenly a huge amount available so your very specific desires are likely to be met.
We'll debate how best to live a fulfilling life. Some people will decide they'd be happier tilling the soil and planting turnips, and they can go do that if they want. But most will find their best life being among the glorious machines.
nah, I just want to hear how would you model a general AI system that can even translate a text understanding subtext and then using that text to draw a picture.
will be cool to hear your opinion on this.
Well not only that, but even if you don't have to earn a wage you can still find a purpose. I just find it difficult/impossible to conceive of a world where I couldn't find a purpose for myself.
I didn't mention supply or demand. I don't expect people to make art and be paid for it, if that's what you mean.
In OP's scenario we have borderline magical AI that can fulfil all our basic needs at very low cost. I assumed that would lead to a cultural situation where everyone's basic needs are provided for without them needing to do any work to earn it. Most people will exist outside of any kind of suppy/demand economy, they'll just get what they need and most of what they want for free, and are free to spend their time as they wish.
this question will be solved if someone literally codes a software that reads an non english text depicting an scene in literary form, translate it to plain english and then draws a picture that looks like an impressionist painting.
Seriously, if someone can code that simple task, then it will means that piece of software is a sentient being.
nigger, if you can code a software that can understand natural language you will win a fucking nobel and a fields medals and NASA and the NSA will be sucking your dick with million dollars checks.
If we reverse engineer the human mind and create our own in a program, then put said program in an android waifu then I doubt anyone would give two shits if the pussy was just as good... hell the pussy would be BETTER because people will have different modes and shit.. FIST ME LOOSE or SCHOOLGIRL TIGHT
this, noone in the AI comunity is trying to make a strong AI besides some crackpot CS graduates trying to scam dumb rich people, that shit died decades ago.
only popsci media still try to write that clickbait garbage.
I think it would just be arts and music and creative stuff. Movies, film, animation (mostly automated probably), sports, philosophy, politics, games (competitive esports).
People would have shit to do. There technically is no purpose to life and we just try to make the most out of it while we are alive. Work is a distraction while we wait to die. Our hobbies are fueled by money from work. When work is fine people will just do what they do for fun or what they really find interesting.
>you really think people can live a live without work?
It may be a little difficult for a generation who grew up working, to adjust to having so much free time. However, a generation that was born and grew up in this new society would have an easier time adapting to it.
>you really think people can live a live without work?
Well no, random proles probably couldn't. Intelligent people usually find something to do without someone telling them what to do though.
>Strong AI is not a fucking thing.
Well obviously it doesn't exist currently, unless you're saying it's impossible for it to exist. If that's the case, then why do you suppose so?
Yes, this is pretty common knowledge.
But this will happen a lot faster than you think it will.
Within the next 100 years, more than half of all people on earth will be unemployable, due to there not being enough jobs.
However, your 'bored to death' argument is shit.
You are just a pathetic human being if you cannot keep yourself from getting bored.
There is an infinite supply of awesome things to do;
-learning new things
I find entitled people like you so pathetic. Being bored is a blessing that so few people have.
The AI will solve population control by killing of the humans. It only need to leave one human left and then all future problems of population control is solved. Very energy effective.
I had a successful IT startup, and retired at 25.
The last 6 years of my life have been bliss.
I've picked up so many hobbies, had so many amazing experiences. Met so many incredible people.
What the fuck are you talking about? I feel really sorry for you... You're inevitably going to have a shitty life if you cannot see the beauty and joy in the world.
Well if it was truely non violent, it wouldn't start killing people for population control. I think it would be more likely that it would pioneer space travel and colonisation. Humans would just start to spread across the galaxy potentially.
>What possible "activity" would be left for humans? What would we do? Even if you travel and party and do whatever, you will get bored, you NEED something to do with a meaning. When AI can do anything, there is no meaning as it can do anything, and it does it better, faster and more efficiently than a human ever could. Even art, there are already lots of algorithms out there for creating music and rhymes and whatever.
Consume media, obviously! Browse the internet, post on Facebook, shop on Amazon, search on Google. You should watch "Idiocracy" by Mike Judge, a stupid movie but worthwhile in a "yet to be done" way.
Much of American social status already depends on what you buy, the next step is for it to depend on what the marketing data thinks you should buy.
Pay cash, block ads, don't always carry your cell phone, and think about what you disclose to whom.
>Throughout all human history, some humans have existed in a state where they didn't need to do any work. They found stuff to do, and were generally pretty happy. Most the other humans wanted to be them.
Read "Keep the Aspidistra Flying" by Orwell. There's a total inertia among poor (non-working) people and a certain comfort at rock bottom, because "finding stuff to do" costs money.
>Even if AI is capable of creating good quality art, the act of creation is still worthwhile.
It doesn't "create," Google's AI puts dogs in pictures.
>The artist can also be assisted by AI.
>you can ask an AI to create most the assets for you following your style guidelines.
>We'll debate how best to live a fulfilling life. Some people will decide they'd be happier tilling the soil and planting turnips, and they can go do that if they want. But most will find their best life being among the glorious machines.
Luddites vs. Technocrats
If we're talking about a situation in the future where AI is more intelligent than humans, then I don't see why...
>It doesn't "create," Google's AI puts dogs in pictures.
...wouldn't be possible.
It may be possible sometime, but if nobody but the creator can empathize with it in a meaningful way, there's no hope of it impacting society. People don't use Facebook for its news feed algorithm, or necessarily to give out marketable personal data, or get suicide-watched. Those are the by-products of subjective human motives, as is the algorithm itself. Besides, the creator's influence is obvious no matter how many generations you spawn in an AI engine.
AI will take much longer to reach the self-improving point than people realize, right now you have thousands of humans working on AI and it's still pretty shit, even if it reaches the coveted "human intelligence" point it still won't be enough to actually improve itself in a reasonable timeframe.
I think it would lead to an Art Renaissance. AI cannot make movies, paintings, plays, animation, books, etc and they certainly cannot make music as well as a human.
I think it would lead to an Art Renaissance. AI cannot make movies, paintings, plays, animation, books, etc and they certainly cannot make music as well as a human.
If any of you dumb cumsocking faggots actually studied AI you'd realize what a pointless Jewish scam it really is.
If you want to make "I for one welcome our new x overlords" posts and other similarly-inane shit, take it to reddit.
It's not happening. It never is.
The bleeding edge in robotics taken as a whole roughly simulates a severe case of Down's. Single tasks and automation are "intelligent" applications' savant specialties, if they're to be taken as independent entities at all.
Machine-learning algorithms efficiently mask human motives in utopian rhetoric in an attempt to limit behavior according to Silicon Valley ideals, which is self-destructive at best.
Pop controll's not to hard, just temporarily sterilize people. Under no circumstances can you have a child when you are under 20.
When two people have kids, they can decide to have one or two. They are desterilised and after 20 years to raise the children killed.
If you want to avoid this you can simply live on a farm without relying on AI resources, and everyone's happy with this.
Also a solution to anti-aging medicine.
I have about a TB of ROMS, about 7TB of anime, 2TB of manga, almost 500GB of novels and academic books, 2TB of music where half of it is lossy, and a plethora of PC gaymes. I will never finish all of it in a human lifespan given that I'm a wagecuck and obviously not going to live forever. Fuck, I wish I could archive everything and give it away but more than anything I wish I could be a shut-in and live comfortably. There are so much things to do that I cringe every time someone mentions work as something a human has to do.
>had to look up his name
>no wikipedia page
great, an irrelevant fagot.
>there's a blog post about him
>5 years working on a dissertation about nihilism
>he kills himself to prove his book
yeah, he was a faggot.
>but life is meaningless
so what fag?
I already got over that shit and found my own meaning.
>the faggot fell for the baby tier lit meme
nah, I rather spend some time reading something that has an historical impact rather than the delusions of some /lit/ faggot.
there's more than 150 millions books written by humans, and I'm sure I can spend the rest of my life reading only the top 1k.
why should I waste my life on some faggot that was scared of life, our most magical gift?
>you really think people can live without work
Trust fund kids do it.
I can't live with work because I'm fucked the head.
It's not so far fetched. At least we'd get decent videogames if AI took over.
I'd still play the guitar and listen to music.
I'd still read whether it was created by an AI or human.
I'd still watch movies.
It's not that big of a deal.
no nigga, that's still sci fi shit.
It's like faster than light travel.
We have some ideas, but they could work or fail.
I rather say we wait before saying shit like terminator and skynet BS.
It's a huge part of it, but no. What I really want is the freedom to learn. Learn how to play an instrument, how to draw, read different languages, learn other ares in science, etc.
and I'm here to tell y'all faggots who fap to GOD AI you're retarded.
at best we'll have some advanced google search that recognizes your voice and picture and look up some porn for you.
and that shit my phone already does it.
> Even if you travel and party and do whatever, you will get bored, you NEED something to do with a meaning
Lel, you think your job is the only thing that has meaning? Sucks for you.
Also, read culture novels by the unfortunately deceased Iain.M.Banks. I hope we're going there rather than anywhere else...
and I'm here to tell y'all faggots who fap to FLYING MACHINES you're retarded.
at best we'll have some advanced bedsheets that slow your descent as you jump from the top of a two story building.
and that shit my bedsheet already does it.
i don't even know what you're arguing against but from what i gather, nobody reasonable believes it in the first place. and even then
>any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
which is a point a true, hard AI realistically has a chance of advancing itself to in a relatively short timeframe.
If Sufficiently advanced technology can become indistinguishable form magic, then Can sufficiently advanced technology become indistinguishable from Divinity?
Thats the question that >>52693359 addresses
how it's even possible for an AI to re-write his own codebase after being compiled?
how it's gonna rewrite itself to take over diferent architectures this AI may no have a compiler for and that may have a diferent OS?
At worst it will be a fucking internet virus.
yeah, it's not like we can advance magically from our current point when moore's law has been dead for over a decade.
>but muh computers that uses an atom as a chip
I'm just extremelly exceptic of all that sci fi BS.
what if "god" is the concept implanted by an enormously advanced superintelligence? in the future, the AI, which found its human subservients rebellious and unruly. having calculated the likelihood of its actions preventing its birth, it reached back through time to teach us retroactively about the idea of a power so incredibly far beyond our influence to prime us for our inevitable servitude.
i, for one, am ready for our AI overlords.
religion also had a not-very-negligible impact on the evolution of civilized society. the codification of a system of morality and its spread across the ancient world isn't something to shake a stick at
This right here is what AI needs to be developed for.
Fucking imagine it. Wed have the best novels, tv shows, videogames and more to literally EVER exist. And various things could be made to suit all tastes. Commoners would have their shit, and weebs would have theirs. And it could be produced with little overhead near instantly. Shit would be amazing.
I'm excited for the future.
When will this meme book stop being recommended.
<Read this if you're not a fag.
what really pisses me off are AI fags who do shit related to trying to get machines to understand human language
fucking 99% of all organisms on the planet with a brain DO NOT UNDERSTAND HUMAN LANGUAGE why does everyone think the first generation of intelligent machines would?
>durr we want human intelligences not animals
you have to start somewhere and considering people pursuing human-level AGI are getting nowhere maybe it's time to scale back a bit
>that kind of anthropocentrism is why this AI shit ain't going anywhere
I suspect we aren't going anywhere nowadays because we're too focused on conceiving systems that solve very specific problems.
Like, the Go solving thing that made the news recently seemed like a step forward when really it's only an efficient tree crawler backed up with insanely sheer computational power.
We need to think in a radically new manner.
The next decade will be interesting to see what direction AI researchers will follow.
Google's DeepMind learned to play Go and it has defeated world champions.
It was considered "impossible" for a computer to beat a human in Go before and it didn't do it by pure processing brute force, it used a neural network to practice and learn patterns, just like a human would do.
Neural networks are super dumb and inefficient.
It feeds on prohibitively large amount of data and will never be sufficient alone to design a strong AI.
Google algorithm is only remarkable in that it does an efficient job of ruling out bad branches of the decisional tree.
I also recall an anon who linked me to a google research showing that neural networks could learn on their own.
The software being studied was a face recognition program.
It needed 200 million 200x200 jpg of actual human faces before it could eventually learn with unlabeled new images.
200. million. fucking. faces.
That's not what you want when you wanna create a strong AI.
The human brain is infinitely more subtle in its learning process.
You don't need to show a million different faces to a baby before it can recognize face on its own.
would iteratively replacing our brains on a cellular level with nanomachines preserve our consciousness? if you have one brain cell that is functioning normally and replace it with a synthetic, non-organic nanomachine, what happens?
I must disagree with you, OP. In a world where AI does all the jobs that people don't want to do, or are inferior in doing, humans can then indulge themselves in their own competitions and endeavors. Each person could simply live life doing what they want, so long as they aren't hurting others. It's not like we will run out of video games, sports, music, anime, or any other form of entertainment; and there are plenty of people who will be perfectly happy playing video games or watching anime for the rest of their lives.
Is AI the new astronomy?
The new thing that weed-smoking retards who have no clue what they're talking about but "fucking love science" are interested in (in the most superficial way possible?)
Is there a Neil DeGrasse Sagan of AI?
A solution to that would be for humanity to become cyborgs. Assuming that we reach a level where AI is advance enough to improve itself, it would be likely that we'd also figured out how to improve our own bodies as well.
Only problem to that is all of the social problems that result from having portions of the population being much more advance than the rest.
Nobody here thinks you're the least bit intelligent for sharing this dribble with us. You aren't saying anything about anything. Go back to doing the only thing you know how to do: jerk off about graphics cards.
yeah, if you're just looking at one tree
in the grand scheme of things you're actually diminishing the population rather than growing it or even keeping it level with such a policy, since it doesn't account for people who have no kids at all or just one kid (which will be very likely in a widely developed world)
even then the AI wouldn't even need to enact draconian population control measures, since the overpopulation meme preached by edgelords as it is now is easily mitigated with better land and resource management which a super-intelligent AI could probably handle pretty easily
combine that with more efficient agriculture, GMOs and dampening mindless consumer culture and you could more than likely continue to grow the population even further
Luckily for you, there are two things aiding us.
One, AI isn't as good as you think it is and is currently mostly just clever algorithms that are just like ones any good programmer should know but a bit different and statistics
Two, humans have unlimited desires.
Desire and other human emotions are just a layer of abstraction controlled by basic mechanical instincts. There's nothing otherworldly or special about it that can't be simulated.
>this entire thread
How many of the people in here are actually qualified to have an opinion on the future of AI (i.e. CS PhD's who wrote their doctoral thesis on an AI-related topic)?
It just looks like a bunch of retards with no knowledge whatsoever of the current state of AI research declared themselves experts on the topic and started rattling off their made-up "le epic theories xD" and throwing shit at anyone who presents equally-retarded ideas.
The majority of you guys are just embarassing yourselves, you really ought to stop. This is seriously some /lit/-tier nonsense.
There will always be a market for something. You underestimate economic forces and human desire.
Maybe instead of jerking off to the singularity you should actually learn about AI, or economics.
He's just here to feel above the others, he doesn't know shit either. I thought a place like this was supposed to know a bit better, though. But what do I know, all I can do is mess with statistics to do funny things with decision trees
My area of concentration is in a different field of CS, so I'm not pretending to be qualified to talk about AI, and I'm keeping my uninformed opinions to myself.
I just don't get how some of the retards on this board even think that they somehow become world-class experts whenever the topic of AI comes up.
That's an interesting projection, I don't consider myself above others, nor did I imply that in my post. Is there something you want to get off your chest?
I'm just wondering why everyone seems to think of themselves as experts, when anyone can tell that they clearly aren't.
You have a pretty large chip on your shoulder. Do you want to talk about it?
Why do you get so upset when someone points out that you aren't as knowledgeable as you think you are?
Are you trying to compensate for something by trying (and failing) to sound "smart"?
I know only a little about AI, and I bet someone in this thread knows more about it than I do, it's probably true. I haven't tried to sound smart at all, just reply to people and tell them that things aren't what they think they are.
I never claimed to be an expert, but seeing "impartial 3rd parties" that act holier than thou sure doesn't help the thread at all. Here's your last reply to make you feel special, now fuck off.
It wouldn't be the end of humanity. We would shift our focus to space travel. We could finally go full Star Trek and start exploring the universe.
We could go start life on new planets, like the ancient alien theory but this time we're the aliens
>holier than thou
I already said that I don't consider myself superior to anybody. Why, then, are you still trying to shoehorn this nonsense into your post? Do you actually believe that anyone who questions your authority is full of themselves?
I still don't understand why you are getting so unreasonably upset. I feel that if you actually had the slightest idea of what you were talking about, you wouldn't feel the need to lash out.