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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
There are a bunch of different models of 730s - most are even slower than the 720. The 64-bit 338 core GDDR3 or 5 models are faster. The 128-bit model has half the cores.
I prefer to stick to the 720 - it runs a lot cooler and just werks.
>The ThinkPad P50 has currently not many real competitor. That could soon change, however with the new Dell Precision 7510 and the HP ZBOOK 15 G3, which should be available shortly
Thought on the new P50? Price tag seems a bit hefty when a W530 might run all my needs but it's got all the new ports and a pretty good i7 to boot. New Zbook seems nice but I've seen HP's prices not to think twice about it
seeing 16gb for 80 righ tnow. I do not want or need 16gb though
but awesome. thanks. 8gb would e more than enough.i saw how easy it was to change out ram on these things or my model anyway. i just got my first one. really liking it.got nividia in it too with 1600x900 . i had issues getting hd out and getting my ssd to work. but i got it.
How is this for a w520 /g/?
Kangaroo dollars, equvalent to roughly USD$280
This is the only laptop buy thread so fuck it.
Is the fan on the bottom? Because that's gonna be shit if it is. Is it on like, the back or something? I like to have it in my lap on top of my blankets in bed.
Not a thinkpad
Good luck finding a laptop with a fan that isn't on the bottom
Is this a good deal on an i5 320gb 4gb T520?
I meant the GPU fan, always the hottest in my experience. I had a Y50 for a while and ALL fans were at the bottom and it was awful. Looks like it does have one on the side for the GPU
Only one fan here boss
In Canada, I see above $300 CAD for the typical i5 model. For i7, above $400 CAD+ and if you got the IPS screen for the non tablet, it will cost a bit. This is on ebay price and it drop a bit if you go to Kiji or Craiglist but don't expect much. Saw one for $225 on Ebay but didn't get it.
What's the point of the double 789? And do you hit FN to use those numbers?
Not happening. :/ have no credit card, can only use amazon, and their prices on refurbished Thinkpad seem pretty set in stone. I've already made up my mind tho, I'm gonna go with the 520.
Bumping this thing. I need a reason why I shouldn't get this. It seems like a steal.
Are the newer thinkpads really that shitty? I'm thinking of replacing my old laptop and I want something relatively new. Something the size of the X series that is portable that I can easily throw in my bag. Is the X250 a no go?
im looking to buy a new battery for my x200, preferably 9 cell. anyone have any advice on where to look/ what to look for? I was looking at this
but it seems too good to be true for that price. need somewhere that ships to canada also.
>tfw wanted thinkpad for long time
>spend weeks researching and looking into them
>constantly watching eBay and other places
>find the perfect one that's meets all the specs I want
>wait over half a month for it to arrive
>mfw they sent me a different model with crap specs
>send it back and wait forever to get my money back
Is this the Thinkpad experience?
is there anywhere you can buy new old thinkpad?
For example, one that has not been refurbished, is unused, and is not being made anymore by Lenovo.
I'd be willing to overpay for this. I'm done with second hand models.
I don't know myself. I just read the X220t I just bought has an intel i5 "ivy bridge architecture"
Not sure if that means it has an ivy bridge cpu or sandy bridge cpu.
For the same reason most 730s are worse than the 720s or why the 770 is a rebranded 680.
But probably because they want to replace the G 210 with an 700-series and make the upper low-end (*20,*30,*40) part of the 900-series for some reason, as the *10 is generally a few generations older.
In a nutshell, marketing.
T-series have socketed CPUs, so it is pretty simple. X-series have solderedCPUs so you unless you have some rather costly tools, it is next to impossible.
The T420 and X220 have Sandy CPUs, they theoretically support Ivy Bridge, but that would require a custom (as of yet nonexistant) custom BIOS.
Could be a board swap. As far as I'm aware, the X230t board is by fit, relatively identical to the X220t board, right down to the ports
The X230 board doesn't into X220 frame properly though because they switched to MiniDP on the non tablet model
Is it worth trusting? Hah, probably not
first i would verify that it isn't an ivy bridge cpu, then i would try to get (some) money back but keep the X220T, it's a good machine and the sandy bridge cpu (i have it in my T420) is pretty gud so
Hello /g/, I just got my first thinkpad t420s and the directx 9 has some issue and it won't run anything that requires it.
Im not a tard so i googled and tried almost every solution. Anybody had this issue? Help please.
So it's confirmed the one that I just bought was a sandy bridge and not an ivy bridge correct?
I payed $180 for this thinkpad, how much should I even ask for in partial refunds? I honestly thought it would support ivy bridge because I heard cpus were easily replacable.
maybe look up the price of a sandy bridge cpu vs. the price of an ivy bridge cpu, find the difference, and ask for that? did you screenshot the part that said it was coming with an ivy bridge cpu? without proof i would just forget it and move on with your life
Are these specs shit could I find one cheaper with better specs?
Is the E460 a good "modern" ThinkPad? Unfortunately buying used is not an option for me. They sell this exact configuration for around $850 in where I live.
E series thinkpads are cut price subpar machines made to sell to third rate businesses and schools
They have all the negative aspects of thinkpads, such as shit screens and hefty pricing for what you get, with very few of the positives
[spoiler]Maybe you should fucking read the guide[/spoiler]
They exist. I had an E545, and it was complete dogshit.
The trackpad is too big, and you'll often be hitting it inadvertently with the edges of your palms, sending your cursor flying.
The chicklet keys are garbage. There's no dedicated function keys, you have to hold down a modifier.
Oh and the thing shit itself after 6 months and wouldn't turn on.
depends on which CPU you get, but you'll obviously run out of headroom pretty quickly. RAM should be fine, not sure about the soundcard (if you're not going external, which you probably should be anyway)
What's the difference between a core i5 and core i7 T420 in terms of productivity and battery life?
There are 2 local offers on them for a very nice similar price and I want to know if I lose much not buying the i7 version.
What did you bind this key as?
I have mine bound to i3lock.
I'm looking to get a thinkpad x201 as a backup laptop and for messing around with linux
I found a good one, but it doesn't have a hard drive so I need to get one.
What should I look at? Im thinking of either a 250 gig or 320 gig hard drive, or like a 120 gig ssd.
any recommendations for pretty cheap?
I'll have about 20 or 30 to spend
Thinking about getting a T400 strictly for writing and coding. Can they really be found for around $100 bucks? Is it worth it? The only other shit I'd do with it is skype and minimal Internet browsing.
I assume if I wanted a laptop that could play games I'd have to spend over $300.
You're going to be lucky to find a spinning rust drive for $20-30. SSD is going to be out of the question. Save some more good boy points.
A T400 would get you were you need to be. If that's your use case, you can go even older if your budget is that tight (T60/T61) or you have trouble finding a T400/410 one in your area. Just put games out of your mind entirely.
I've got a sweet R52 work was throwing out. It's mint, got bluetooth and a double size battery. Since it came from work there was no HDD in it, so I've stuck a 250GB HDD in it. Unfortunately the bios has a barney everytime it reboots...has anyone got a firmware I can load up that will bypass the HDD check?
Dear /tpg/, I need to ask of a question. My autism is too low in order to find that info. I wanted to do a mod of ultrabase/dock for my x220, in order to add better gpu . Does the dock connector in x220 provide any pcie lines?
Dunno what's the runescape requirements exactly, but w520 would probably do the job. But then, I'd suggest buying t420/x220 instead, as you'd probably want a more portable device for uni crap.
>Needs explaining docking
Ok, let me autism this for you. When you have a lot of external things, like monitors, keyboards, lasers, printers, lans.... connecting that all up is a fucking pain in the ass, also considering that for instance, I got 3-4 desks I work at during a week with different crap I need to connect. Docking makes me better at autism and caring less about connecting all that crap everytime. Just lay it down, and it werks all at once.
So I picked myself up a W500 for work but I seem to be having issues getting windows to work on it. Normally at my work, everyone just brings in their personal laptop and remotes into a Windows VM where they work from so I was considering just installing a Linux distro and using a remote desktop client from that but I'm unsure on how good remote desktop is on Linux. Anyone want to shed light on this? What clients are good? Pretty much needs to be as good as Windows' inbuilt one or better. Multimonitor support is a must
Here are my choices of x220:
i5 2.6 GHz, 8 GB RAM, 320 GB HDD, IPS, $315
i7 2.8 GHz, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD, IPS, $325
WHICH ONE??? They're both in excellent condition.
I'm leaning towards the i7. I will be running Linux solely and am a bit concerned about the power consumption of the i7 though...
Thoughts anons? Please help! I will post many pics and review of the one laptop after you help me decide.
>a bit concerned about the power consumption of the i7
Do you get your hardware advices from a fucking Best Buy employee?
i7 consumes negligibly more power and gets shit done slightly faster, which means it can go back to low voltage idle mode a lot quicker than the i5 can.
Now tell me if it's worth the $10 extra when it comes with a free SSD on top.
I'm really torn about getting a W530 vs splerging on a P50.
My Satellite A500 has gotten a bit old and I'd like to upgrade to something more powerful for work (Maya, Zbrush, Autodesk). This would be my first Thinkpad so I'd appreciate some guidance.
I don't mind chiclet keys.
The heatpipe takes heat from the CPU and GPU.
The fan takes cool air from the bottom holes.
Fan uses cool air to cool the heatpipe, hence cooling the CPU and GPU.
Cool air heats up.
Fan pushes hot air through the side holes.
Are you a retard?
Depends on what you exactly need really. AFAIK, if you're into virtualization, you won't regret getting an i7, then the boost is worth it. Just go onto notebookcheck benchmarklist and check what is your desired cpu comparable to.
>embark on task to put mSATA SSD into x220
>dig deep inside to the mSATA slot to find the last screw has been worn down and can't come out
>try the elastic band trick to no avail
>have no electric screwdriver so I can't pull it out with force
>decide to end task and leave the laptop as it is in a big open box to return to later for when I can remove the mSATA screw
>leave it in box, electrical components exposed to the elements, for two and a half weeks
>eventually, anxiety overwhelms me over static ruining the parts so I put the whole thing back together again
>everything works perfectly
God bless those fantastic ThinkPads
Still no fucking SSD in it though and I spent £65 on that fucking thing
There are models of the Lenovo Thinkpad 11e with Windows installed, and models with ChromeOS installed.
It used to be the case that you could not install Windows on a chromebook because the BIOS was different. Is Lenovo going so far as to change the BIOS on this board, or does ChromeOS not require a different sort of BIOS anymore?
Thanks if anyone can answer that question for me.
Depends what you've had to the past to compare from.
Build quality of a my T43p is vastly different compared to T430. It's still durable but not as robust.
Most people dislike the chicklet key travel and newer layout of the keyboard.
I have gotten used to the keyboard layout, though I'd prefer the traditional 7 row, I'll be fine with the chicklet 6.
Some models have soldiered ram now, they aren't as easy to do maintenance sometimes.
>A31p is like four screws and BAM
That sucks anon, I would be furious.
Amazon did that once when I bought a Fiio amp, they gave me a desktop variant than the portable one but it cost more so I kept it (:
If you're into consumer laptops then nothing.
But it doesn't have a strengthened chassis, no magnesium frame, hardly much part compatibility, low end options.
'It has a good GPU tho.' And it's not with it either, get an XPS or gaming laptop instead.
T430 plays league comfy.
Reason why I bought it
Typically they cost from $50 to $300 more than eBay buy it nows.
Don't fall into the seller refurbish hype, it's just a used computer being sold by a company who 'checked it' eg cleaned it, disk health check, dusted the fan, maybe swapped out bad parts.
Everything is 16:9, there might be an android tablet that's 16:10, but it won't be a ThinkPad.
X63 might be coming out to the states, but it will be a pretty penny.
3rd party batteries don't work on them, so beware.
Other then that a good system.
Missing info and needs to be updated.
How was your day fellas?
I have just passed my last exam of the semester, and got my Debian sticker too :3
I have a x220 and feel like getting something new. I don't want to fall into the Apple Meme so I come here for advice.
I have a data plan on verizon and would like to use on my next laptop. Currently I find interest in the dell 7370. The dual usb c ports would be nice to have.
I also have the x1 and x240/x250 on the short list because they offer an LTE option.
At one point I thought about purchasing a Surface 3 LTE but it feels overpriced compared for the hardware specifications.
Any advice is welcomed. And yes, I will install Gentoo/all hail Stallman
>8GB DDR3 RAM
>Undefined battery life
For 260€, Y/N?
I'm really tired of looking for a good deal and if I get assblasted enough I'll buy that T400 I have on sight with 4GB of RAM for 118€.
Did I do good, /g/?
I put in an offer for $280 so shipping included it was $300. From the pictures it seems to be basically like-new condition
For those that don't feel like looking at the image: X230 with an i5 3320M and fingerprint reader
It has a 180GB SSD and I plan to add my own 128GB mSATA SSD.
Also has 4GB RAM. I have a 4GB stick somewhere so if that's in single-stick form I can have 8GB, if not 6GB isn't too bad
are you sure you actually have a wan card? a lot of thinkpads come with the ports required for such things but lack the card.
pop open your ram slot and see if the card is installed or see if your current lan chip has wan capabilities.
Oh fucking hell I just checked eBay. Of course right AFTER I buy the cheapest buy it now I see, 2 of the same model pop up at low sub-$300, but they do have some damage/wear and that doesn't. Not sure if that means I didn't do good
The used ThinkPad buying guide says that $390 is a "want it now" ie buy it now price for them so I think I did moderately well
Not sure if people here do this but I check replacement parts first and then check out used thinkpads and factor in the cost of replacing the parts and see if it's worth it.
I got an $89 i7 x220 with a broken but usable screen and a broken palm rest.
All together I spent around $190 to fix it and was still cheaper than the i7s on sale at the time .
In hindsight I probably should have done that, but I'm in college and currently basically laptopless (I say "basically" as I have one but it's rocking a C2D and has a battery life of maybe 2 usable hours so that isn't really usable for college) so I needed to get a new laptop and fast. The one I was using last semester completely broke so I got rid of it (it had a whole list of problems before breaking so to fix it was probably just not worth it. Thing was basically totaled, not due to mistreatment but simply weird problems here and there that added up) so I've been without laptop for a while in an environment where a laptop is nearly a necessity.
tl;dr I would have bought cheaper and broken but repaired but I don't have the time to do that (I may not even have the tools, depending on the nature of the repair)
When it comes to upgrades, if you aren't jumping at least 2 generations, you may not notice much of a performance increase.
Not sure what your x60 specs are(/were RIP) but x61 won't cut you off at 3GB RAM. It'll take 8 but 4GBx2 modules are prohibitively expensive; you're better off at 2GBx2. You can get Middleton BIOS for SATAII, kill the whitelist, and have the possibility of a SXGA+ IPS screen. Penryn processor equipped boards exist for a modest CPU/bus improvement. As with anything, an SSD is a big improvement.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can swap an x61 board into a x60 chassis if it's your mobo that is dead and you want to keep most of what you've got.
t. T601F owner
Yeah I've done that before (that's how I ended up with that underpowered and short battery life laptop. Basically got it in parts for very cheap, maybe $100 in total) but I didn't think about it.
I guess I dun goofed
3rd gen C2D is MAYBE usable but from firsthand experience I wouldn't recommend it.
2nd gen iX is probably the lowest you should do
Thanks. It'll be my first since using an R40 for a while a few years back
Depends entirely on your use case, but if your needs are modest, the main drawback of older C2D machines is battery life. You can shitpost and do normie stuff just fine.
Clickpad is an abomination but it's easy to swap for the traditional t450.
T510 - my first ever Thinkpad, bought it a week ago, in love with it.
Want more GB.
Have a spare mechanical (5400rpm).
1. Is there an actual side cover that I can buy to cover the hole with the caddy. Who sells those (used) ?
2. What battery life reduction (%) should I expect from having a SSD/HDD combo.
have a problem with my T61
it's running BunsenLabs (Crunchbang's Successor) and i'm having some problems with alsa
haven't found the same or a very similar problem on the internet so far either
basically, when waking the thinkpad up or unmuting it, it won't output sound anymore
if i go to the console and enteralsactl init
it will output sound again
anyone got any ideas how to fix this?
Is it muted in alsamixer? When I first installed #!++, i had weird interactions between it and the pnmixer applet.
If there's anything specific you want me to look at, I've got that machine handy.
Naw I bought it like that, doing a 1080p IPS swap.
>but fuck the iPhone for being a dumshit at uploading photos
Sold them for $280 and $350 w/ IPS last fall.
Sounds like a good price
Smart anon, I like you, I usually tell people this crap when some just ask 'did i do good?'
Get a FHD T440, X1C3, Yoga 14, otherwise, you'll probably want to look for elsewhere or maybe get a 15" laptop then.
>not just getting a Pixel LS
well, that's interresting:
if i mute it, it mutes master and the currently active output (speakers/headphones)
when i then unmute, it only unmutes master but not the device.
seriously, what the hell is alsa even doing here?
wouldn't even know what file to look at to fix this
I can't remember exactly, but it was one of those things I had to unmute things in the right order between the volume applet and alsamixer. Just fuck with it for a minute and if your issue is like mine you should be able to sort it out.
They'll never "learn" because they don't want to "learn". They already know it's bad, but if they start giving better options, eventually those better, more expensive options will become the norm and it will ever so slightly cut into their profits. Keep it shit, sell the shit, make more money than selling less shitty shit to shitty people that don't know better
I just got it in my head to get a new laptop for school and I'm thinking about getting a ThinkPad. I'll only be using it for school, so it just has to do eclipse, xilinx, word, etc, all at a reasonable pace. I'm thinking about a T450 14 inch, 500 GB, 12 GB ram. There's also a model with 8 gigs ram for about 40 less bucks. Any thoughts or suggestions or anything?
>I'm thinking about a T450 14 inch, 500 GB, 12 GB ram
The U series of the Intel is complete trash. Keep that in mind. It was made to keep the battery usage to a minimum, not to provide a decent amount of computing power.
The i5 or the ram? I think the processor would be pretty important, ram not so much. Since it's only a $40 jump between 8-12 GB I figured I'd just go for the higher end. It's mostly xilinx that's killing my current laptop, it takes for fucking ever to synthesize stuff.
A real goddamn Thinkpad for real men.
>having less than 1000 vertical pixels
Stupid question. My x201 just arrived. I have a ssd with arch installed in my x200. Can I simply migrate my ssd from my x200 to my x201? I assumed the worst that could happen is that I find out I need to install new drivers.
Where do you all get your ram for t hinkpads? Not finding much on ebay. I am using a t420.
Isn't ram very easy to change? I was told you could get like 12gb for 30 bucks but i am not seeing this lol
Tried but I'm retarded. I know about the screws but it's the plastic that worries me.
I don't want to force anything, I'm always scared plastic is going to break when it starts bending...
As for the battery life, I guess I can find out the power consumption of the HDD and then just do some math.
Thinking about buying this t430s and possibly replacing the screen: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T430s-14-i5-3320m-8GB-1600x900-dual-battery-backlit-W10-Pro-/222004146013?hash=item33b07a6f5d:g:r8AAAOSwUV9WpCx9
What should my max bid be?
No, the shitposters are the people that ask inane, nonspecific questions when the information is either clearly documented in the links in the OP or can be gleaned by knowing how to use the advanced search capabilities of auction sites.
Stupid questions belong in /sqt/. Just because you say the word "thinkpad" in your post doesn't make it appropriate for this thread.
Most self-identifying redditor post of the day.
Wrapped the W520, will update photos of this thing on eBay, im sure it'll sell now lol
Thanks anon, I bote you for moderation :DDDDDDD
>doesn't know that IBM did that too
'p' models were the best, just like how Dell Precisions are retardly expensive as well.
Well the P70 is hella expensive
Why would you buy that instead of an older thinkpad? That newer i5 is like 10% faster than an older one.
Buy a T420 with an i5, put in an SSD and more memory, and upgrade the screen once the kit is done, and you'd have a better machine than that.
>'p' models were the best, just like how Dell Precisions are retardly expensive as well.
You say that but Dell Precisons tend to be at the bottom end of mobile workstation pricing, Lenovo is in the middle and HP is even more expensive.
I want to get rid of my Precision M4800 now to be honest.
Sorry, what are you trying to say? The T420 had 1366x768 (awful) and 1600x900 (not bad, but poor TFT angles).
I believe a 1080p IPS kit is going to be available soon.
In the meantime, 1600x900 is acceptable for me for mobile work on a laptop. I'll plug it in to my IPS for serious work.
Screens are 1366x768 or 1600x900.
I recommend getting the cheapest 1600x900 and putting in your own SSD and memory. It seems like every jerkoff who slapped in a second DIMM thinks it's magically worth an extra $200.
Most laptop screens were unforgivable in 2009
>no more IPS 1600 x 1200 displays
>hardly any IPS 1920 x 1200 in laptops
>1366 x 768 is the trending norm
Just mod one yourself then, like how some did with the X61 and X31
4GB RAM, 2.5GHz proc, intel graphics (discrete not much better), AC adapter... idk what else, they have been trending about $120 - 160 for non project ones.
's' variants can't have their processors upgraded because they used soldiered RAM.
some have been resupplied
non 's' kits are the problem childs
Lenovo messenger, solutions, share it, maybe communications.
No I don't, because I don't have a 420s.
That said, I'm not seeing any reported problems with these. How about you stop being a condescending prick and either offer up clearly worded information or fuck off?
3rd result on google for 't420 ips'
getting the ips panel working requires a chinese converter board that isn't sold any more
thank me later for spoonfeeding you