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Previous thread: >>52640008

Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™

Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg

EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/wumE7L2f

ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
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Best GPU for Advanced Dock?
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Hey guys! What's the best thinkpad for hardcore gaming?

Thanks!!!
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>>52661132
Gt720
20W and surprisingly beefy
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Best GPU to use in the Advanced Dock? I know the PCI-E slot is a tight space, anyone have specific dimensions?
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>>52661166
>hardcore gaming

What the fuck is hardcore gaming
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>>52661187
whoops forgot I'd already asked the first question

Wouldn't a GT 730 be better? It's still under 50W, unless it's too big for the space?
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Thoughts on X1 Yoga?
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>>52661190
like regular gaming, but everybody is nude
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>>52661166
W530 i7 + eGPU setup via expresscard slot
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>>52661208
There are a bunch of different models of 730s - most are even slower than the 720. The 64-bit 338 core GDDR3 or 5 models are faster. The 128-bit model has half the cores.

I prefer to stick to the 720 - it runs a lot cooler and just werks.
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not worthy of its name
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>>52661323
Bravo nvidia. Nothing on the AMD/ATI side worth considering?
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I love my new thinkpad guys. Thank you for the meme!!
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oh btw I have a question. I have 4gb. It seems as though ram is easy to replace on T420's

How much does 8Gb go for about?any specific ram you recommened?
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>>52661484
To get to 12GB total it will cost you about $30 for a single 8GB stick
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>https://translate.google.ae/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-ThinkPad-P50-Workstation.158241.0.html&prev=search
>The ThinkPad P50 has currently not many real competitor. That could soon change, however with the new Dell Precision 7510 and the HP ZBOOK 15 G3, which should be available shortly

Thought on the new P50? Price tag seems a bit hefty when a W530 might run all my needs but it's got all the new ports and a pretty good i7 to boot. New Zbook seems nice but I've seen HP's prices not to think twice about it
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NVIDIA Quadro FX 2800M or GT 940m DDR3 for gaming.?

Thanks
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>>52661515
seeing 16gb for 80 righ tnow. I do not want or need 16gb though

but awesome. thanks. 8gb would e more than enough.i saw how easy it was to change out ram on these things or my model anyway. i just got my first one. really liking it.got nividia in it too with 1600x900 . i had issues getting hd out and getting my ssd to work. but i got it.
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>>52661535
I have 1Gb nivdia on my ne wone and I play diablo 3 with no problems at all. if that helps. I am new to the thinkpad world so cannot help you much I guess
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>>52661277
overpriced
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How is this for a w520 /g/?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-W520-Core-i7-2820QM-2-3GHz-8GB-500GB-Win-7-15-6-1920-x-1080-/121877689575?hash=item1c6079f4e7:g:2-wAAOSwJb9WqX98

Kangaroo dollars, equvalent to roughly USD$280
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This is the only laptop buy thread so fuck it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834315131&cm_re=940m-_-34-315-131-_-Product

Is the fan on the bottom? Because that's gonna be shit if it is. Is it on like, the back or something? I like to have it in my lap on top of my blankets in bed.
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>>52661777
Not a thinkpad
Nice trips
Good luck finding a laptop with a fan that isn't on the bottom
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>>52661777
>.<
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>>52661277
Looks pretty nice other then that wangblows logo.
Is overpriced though.
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Is this a good deal on an i5 320gb 4gb T520?
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>>52661808
I meant the GPU fan, always the hottest in my experience. I had a Y50 for a while and ALL fans were at the bottom and it was awful. Looks like it does have one on the side for the GPU
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>>52661861
>emoticons on the url

Lol didnt notice
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>>52661947
Only one fan here boss
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>>52661914
what panel does the t520 have?
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>>52662033
then what are the holes on the side for? passive ventilation? is this shit gonna melt through my lap? the Y50 nearly did
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>>52661914
unless its at least 1600x900 and dgpu not really
if its just 1600x900 then its ok
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>>52662162
isn't it really easy to change out laptop displays anyway?
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>>52662192
OK well its 900p and I can get a T420 for about same price. What do?
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If I get an old x-tablet series thinkpad, would I have the function of plugging it into my Desktop and using it as an input digitizer for when I so choose?
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>>52662221
unless you want 1080p later on down the road get the 420
both take the same battery, so the t420 should theoretically get better battery life
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What should I expect to pay for an x230?

All the local listings are $400CAD+
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>>52662242
But I heard the T520's display is way better in terms of color, plus its 900p and the T420 I found is only 768p. Wouldn't the T520 be the better option?
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>>52662255
>cal listin

In Canada, I see above $300 CAD for the typical i5 model. For i7, above $400 CAD+ and if you got the IPS screen for the non tablet, it will cost a bit. This is on ebay price and it drop a bit if you go to Kiji or Craiglist but don't expect much. Saw one for $225 on Ebay but didn't get it.
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>>52662292
wait and try to find a better deal
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What's the point of the double 789? And do you hit FN to use those numbers?
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>>52662382
Do you notice the 456 and 123 rows below it? It's for NumLock.
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>>52662405

Ok, thanks
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>>52662365
Not happening. :/ have no credit card, can only use amazon, and their prices on refurbished Thinkpad seem pretty set in stone. I've already made up my mind tho, I'm gonna go with the 520.
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>>52661414
The R7 240 uses 30W and should fit, but don't trust me on that.
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>>52661723

Bumping this thing. I need a reason why I shouldn't get this. It seems like a steal.
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Are the newer thinkpads really that shitty? I'm thinking of replacing my old laptop and I want something relatively new. Something the size of the X series that is portable that I can easily throw in my bag. Is the X250 a no go?
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>>52662405
I have had my T410 for two and a half years and I have never noticed this feature
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>>52662461
How does this advanced dock work?
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>>52660997
Thinking of getting a t440 to replace my t400.
>Does it play nice with Arch linux?
>is it silent?
main use will be web browsing with a ton of tabs open and potentially programming.
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im looking to buy a new battery for my x200, preferably 9 cell. anyone have any advice on where to look/ what to look for? I was looking at this

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/AGPtek-9-Cell-Battery-For-IBM-Lenovo-Thinkpad-X200-X201-X201i-43R9255-42T4534-/281229575960?hash=item417a96c718:g:-jcAAOxyKsZRunwA

but it seems too good to be true for that price. need somewhere that ships to canada also.
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>tfw wanted thinkpad for long time
>spend weeks researching and looking into them
>constantly watching eBay and other places
>find the perfect one that's meets all the specs I want
>wait over half a month for it to arrive
>mfw they sent me a different model with crap specs
>send it back and wait forever to get my money back

Is this the Thinkpad experience?
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>>52662811
i took a gamble with a sealed 9cell from amazon for 39 USD.

i'll let you know if it works well.
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>>52662417
It's not hard to get a CC
hell even a debit card will work and you don't even need to be 18 to have one of those
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>>52662811
Same here for t420. Is somewhere any chinese friend who can sell original 9cell battery?
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>>52662938
....you're too young to get a bank account?
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>>52662903
I guess this has nothing to do with your wuestion. but i just got a t420 and the dude sent me 2 power chords for charger. any idea why?
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>>52662938
MODS
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is there anywhere you can buy new old thinkpad?

For example, one that has not been refurbished, is unused, and is not being made anymore by Lenovo.

I'd be willing to overpay for this. I'm done with second hand models.
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>>52662938
MODS
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rip
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>>52663102
you'd pay almost the new price of the machine
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>>52663177
good riddance
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>>52662639
One of the docking stations (for the T60, T61, T400, T500 and W500) has a PCI Express Slot on it, capable of x1 speeds.
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>>52661132
The GT 710 (recently announced) is pretty much a GT 720 with a slight overclock and more memory.
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>>52663330
why did they name it the 710?
why not the 910 since its better than the 720?
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>>52661277
reports that the plastic between the keyboards is already starting to break off
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Does the x220 Tablet have a sandy bridge architecture or ivy bridge?
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>>52663626
whats the difference? serious question
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>>52663663

I don't know myself. I just read the X220t I just bought has an intel i5 "ivy bridge architecture"

Not sure if that means it has an ivy bridge cpu or sandy bridge cpu.
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>>52663663
5-10% CPU performance, 30-50% iGPU performance.

Also, the X220 has Sandy.
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>>52663730
How the fuck did he get an ivy bridge cpu in the X220T then? Is he bullshitting? What
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>>52663440
For the same reason most 730s are worse than the 720s or why the 770 is a rebranded 680.

But probably because they want to replace the G 210 with an 700-series and make the upper low-end (*20,*30,*40) part of the 900-series for some reason, as the *10 is generally a few generations older.

In a nutshell, marketing.
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>>52663768
i mean, how hard is it to replace laptop cpu's? never tried it before
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>>52663730
which is better?
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>>52663787
T-series have socketed CPUs, so it is pretty simple. X-series have solderedCPUs so you unless you have some rather costly tools, it is next to impossible.

The T420 and X220 have Sandy CPUs, they theoretically support Ivy Bridge, but that would require a custom (as of yet nonexistant) custom BIOS.
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>>52663813
Ivy
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>>52663721
>>52663839
that seems super shady, ivy bridge X220T anon
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>>52663865
>>52663839

So what can I do about this on Ebay? Does this mean I'm eligible for a partial refund since you guys are saying it isn't an ivy bridge cpu?
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>>52663768
Could be a board swap. As far as I'm aware, the X230t board is by fit, relatively identical to the X220t board, right down to the ports
The X230 board doesn't into X220 frame properly though because they switched to MiniDP on the non tablet model

Is it worth trusting? Hah, probably not
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>>52663886
first i would verify that it isn't an ivy bridge cpu, then i would try to get (some) money back but keep the X220T, it's a good machine and the sandy bridge cpu (i have it in my T420) is pretty gud so
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>>52663908
I5-2***m = Sandy
I5-3***m= Ivy
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>>52662817
No, that's the '68% positive reviews (23)' experience.

Buy reputable or don't buy at all.
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Hello /g/, I just got my first thinkpad t420s and the directx 9 has some issue and it won't run anything that requires it.
Im not a tard so i googled and tried almost every solution. Anybody had this issue? Help please.
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>>52663908
>>52663935

So it's confirmed the one that I just bought was a sandy bridge and not an ivy bridge correct?
I payed $180 for this thinkpad, how much should I even ask for in partial refunds? I honestly thought it would support ivy bridge because I heard cpus were easily replacable.
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Stupid questions, can you put in new GPU's in these fuckers?
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>>52664002
maybe look up the price of a sandy bridge cpu vs. the price of an ivy bridge cpu, find the difference, and ask for that? did you screenshot the part that said it was coming with an ivy bridge cpu? without proof i would just forget it and move on with your life
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>>52664026
yes I have the full details still here.
>>52663721
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>>52664002
$80 high, 50 low
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>>52662598
It's literally on every laptop made before 2005 and many business laptops after that. Even the early macbooks had it.
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>>52664030
at least write an angry email. i believe you are entitled to SOMETHING, you paid for and received a product different than what was advertised.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-L450-14-Notebook-Intel-Core-i5-8GB-RAM-256GB-SSD-Win7Pro-Win10-Upgrade/121806264318?hash=item1c5c3817fe

Are these specs shit could I find one cheaper with better specs?
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Is the E460 a good "modern" ThinkPad? Unfortunately buying used is not an option for me. They sell this exact configuration for around $850 in where I live.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-E460-Core-i5-Radeon-R7-M360-Notebook-Review.154657.0.html
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>>52664158
>E series
ABORT ABORT ABORT
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>>52662467
I have one of those. It's pretty great.
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>>52664223
What's wrong with the E series?
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>>52664223
what's wrong with abortions?
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>>52664309
wanna know how i know you didn't read OP?
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>>52664309
E series thinkpads are cut price subpar machines made to sell to third rate businesses and schools

They have all the negative aspects of thinkpads, such as shit screens and hefty pricing for what you get, with very few of the positives

[spoiler]Maybe you should fucking read the guide[/spoiler]
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>>52664325
I gave it a quick read but it sounds like a fanboy's wet dream. I thought I can get a more objective outlook from the posters here.
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>>52664344
http://ktgee.net/tpg

Read the fucking quide
There is a reason people spend time putting these things together
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>>52664309
They exist. I had an E545, and it was complete dogshit.

The trackpad is too big, and you'll often be hitting it inadvertently with the edges of your palms, sending your cursor flying.

The chicklet keys are garbage. There's no dedicated function keys, you have to hold down a modifier.

Oh and the thing shit itself after 6 months and wouldn't turn on.
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>>52664355
The guide made no mention of buying anything new.
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>>52663886
Don't be a faggot. It's obviously a typo you fucking jew.
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>>52664158
Might as well get an Asus Zenbook at that price which is literally the new Thinkpad.
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>>52664396
I asked the seller and he's told me this many times.
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>buying anything other than an x201
why would you even. no touchpad garbage, tiny dimensions, acceptable specs, built like a fucking tank, amazing keyboard. oh, and $<100
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>>52664396
They deserve it. I was a customer wrongfully lied to, I did not get an ivy bridge cpu .
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>>52664447
this, a thousand times this.
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>>52664002
>windows
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hopefully ill be buying my first thinkpad in the next few days (t450s) if all goes well with this bid. wish me luck guys
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>>52664444
because i wanted libreboot not just coreboot.

now, if i only could find the right clip that doesn't cost a lot to ship.
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Whats a good thinkpad for uni and playing games like dota 2 and csgo?
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>>52664484
X220
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>>52664491
>games
>12.5 screen
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>>52664505
>games
>adult
>thinkpad
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>>52664484
do not play games on a thinkpad, thats just stupid. thinkpads are by definition not for games
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>>52664505
>shitty question
>expects omniscient answers
>gets shitty answer instead
welcome to do-your-fucking-own-research-general
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>>52664518
what are they for then. I just want some light gaming like league of legends on it.
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>>52664534
this is bait
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>>52664534
it's time to ban gaming faggots from these threads.
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>>52664534
EVERYTHING ELSE
if you want games build a gaming desktop
if you want mobile games buy a fucking gaming laptop
"light gaming" you are just here for the meme, and it is laughable
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>>52664534
kek
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>>52664534
arguing on 4chan about fizzbuzz and ricing
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does X201 run fl studio or albeton live well?

I was thinking about getting a nice little think pad to do some light work on them
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>>52664615
depends on which CPU you get, but you'll obviously run out of headroom pretty quickly. RAM should be fine, not sure about the soundcard (if you're not going external, which you probably should be anyway)
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>>52663968
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you are referring to as "68% positive reviews (23)" was in fact "98% with nearly (50,000)".
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>>52664447
They never came with an ivy bridge CPU. You're equally as stupid as the seller.
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What's the difference between a core i5 and core i7 T420 in terms of productivity and battery life?
There are 2 local offers on them for a very nice similar price and I want to know if I lose much not buying the i7 version.
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What did you bind this key as?

I have mine bound to i3lock.
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>>52665009
terminal. Still getting used to it being there.
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>>52660997
I'm looking to get a thinkpad x201 as a backup laptop and for messing around with linux
I found a good one, but it doesn't have a hard drive so I need to get one.
What should I look at? Im thinking of either a 250 gig or 320 gig hard drive, or like a 120 gig ssd.
any recommendations for pretty cheap?
I'll have about 20 or 30 to spend
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Thinking about getting a T400 strictly for writing and coding. Can they really be found for around $100 bucks? Is it worth it? The only other shit I'd do with it is skype and minimal Internet browsing.

I assume if I wanted a laptop that could play games I'd have to spend over $300.
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>>52665009
i don't use it
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>>52665193
You're going to be lucky to find a spinning rust drive for $20-30. SSD is going to be out of the question. Save some more good boy points.

>>52665327
A T400 would get you were you need to be. If that's your use case, you can go even older if your budget is that tight (T60/T61) or you have trouble finding a T400/410 one in your area. Just put games out of your mind entirely.
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>>52665357
I found an 830 evo 120 gig for 32ish dollars
and about a year ago I got a 150 and a 250 gig hdd for $15 and a 5 dollar gift card
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I've got a sweet R52 work was throwing out. It's mint, got bluetooth and a double size battery. Since it came from work there was no HDD in it, so I've stuck a 250GB HDD in it. Unfortunately the bios has a barney everytime it reboots...has anyone got a firmware I can load up that will bypass the HDD check?
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>>52662461
This looks good. Better performance than the 720 for the same price. Which manufacturer sucks less, Sapphire or ASUS?
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What kind of thinkpad should i look out for on ebay for uni work and oldschool runescape?

Would the w520 suit my needs?
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Sitting here, waiting for DHL to drop off my new Thinkpad. It's like Christmas when you're a kid, desu senpai.
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Are the used thinkpads on newegg worth getting?
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>>52666472
Anon do you even read the first post? Shit's there.
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Dear /tpg/, I need to ask of a question. My autism is too low in order to find that info. I wanted to do a mod of ultrabase/dock for my x220, in order to add better gpu . Does the dock connector in x220 provide any pcie lines?
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>>52666275
Dunno what's the runescape requirements exactly, but w520 would probably do the job. But then, I'd suggest buying t420/x220 instead, as you'd probably want a more portable device for uni crap.
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>>52666524
yea its like the lowest requirements ever

whats this whole docking business? what is the use of it?
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>>52666550
>Needs explaining docking
Ok, let me autism this for you. When you have a lot of external things, like monitors, keyboards, lasers, printers, lans.... connecting that all up is a fucking pain in the ass, also considering that for instance, I got 3-4 desks I work at during a week with different crap I need to connect. Docking makes me better at autism and caring less about connecting all that crap everytime. Just lay it down, and it werks all at once.
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>>52666577
I didn't get any of that my dude, thanks for trying though
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>>52660997
So I picked myself up a W500 for work but I seem to be having issues getting windows to work on it. Normally at my work, everyone just brings in their personal laptop and remotes into a Windows VM where they work from so I was considering just installing a Linux distro and using a remote desktop client from that but I'm unsure on how good remote desktop is on Linux. Anyone want to shed light on this? What clients are good? Pretty much needs to be as good as Windows' inbuilt one or better. Multimonitor support is a must
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>>52666739
>but I'm unsure on how good remote desktop is on Linux

I often hear that Windows has the best remote desktop on the market.
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Are there any newer thinkpads (or other business laptops) with a more square screen?
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Here are my choices of x220:
i5 2.6 GHz, 8 GB RAM, 320 GB HDD, IPS, $315

i7 2.8 GHz, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD, IPS, $325

WHICH ONE??? They're both in excellent condition.

I'm leaning towards the i7. I will be running Linux solely and am a bit concerned about the power consumption of the i7 though...

Thoughts anons? Please help! I will post many pics and review of the one laptop after you help me decide.
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>>52666849
What are you planning to do with it?
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>>52666849
>a bit concerned about the power consumption of the i7
Do you get your hardware advices from a fucking Best Buy employee?

i7 consumes negligibly more power and gets shit done slightly faster, which means it can go back to low voltage idle mode a lot quicker than the i5 can.

Now tell me if it's worth the $10 extra when it comes with a free SSD on top.
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>>52664964
Minimal performance increase for hotter Temps and ~2 hours less of battery life.
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>>52666250
Sapphire is arguably the best manufacturer of AMD cards.
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>>52666507
That is available only in the advanced dock, which only goes as far as the T400 iirc
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I'm really torn about getting a W530 vs splerging on a P50.
My Satellite A500 has gotten a bit old and I'd like to upgrade to something more powerful for work (Maya, Zbrush, Autodesk). This would be my first Thinkpad so I'd appreciate some guidance.
I don't mind chiclet keys.
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>>52667070
[citation needed]
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>>52662183
The heatpipe takes heat from the CPU and GPU.
The fan takes cool air from the bottom holes.
Fan uses cool air to cool the heatpipe, hence cooling the CPU and GPU.
Cool air heats up.
Fan pushes hot air through the side holes.

Are you a retard?
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>>52667197
Depends on what you exactly need really. AFAIK, if you're into virtualization, you won't regret getting an i7, then the boost is worth it. Just go onto notebookcheck benchmarklist and check what is your desired cpu comparable to.
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>>52666507
look up external GPU solutions, that's what you're looking for
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>soon
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Aside from the keyboard, is there any other bad points of T430 compare to T420?
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>>52666931
Linux, bspwm, vim, irssi, browser, music, no games.
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Has anyone got some thinkpad infographs? I'd quite like a thinkpad but want to know the best way to into-ing thinkpads ygm
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>embark on task to put mSATA SSD into x220
>dig deep inside to the mSATA slot to find the last screw has been worn down and can't come out
>try the elastic band trick to no avail
>have no electric screwdriver so I can't pull it out with force
>decide to end task and leave the laptop as it is in a big open box to return to later for when I can remove the mSATA screw
>leave it in box, electrical components exposed to the elements, for two and a half weeks
>eventually, anxiety overwhelms me over static ruining the parts so I put the whole thing back together again
>everything works perfectly
God bless those fantastic ThinkPads

Still no fucking SSD in it though and I spent £65 on that fucking thing
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>>52668227
>bspwm
get the i7 then.
bspwm has no hardware acceleration and is slow as fuck if you don't have a good cpu
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>>52668375
Oh wow didn't know that, thx bro will get the i7 for sure now senpai. Also I should meander over to the bspwm repo and see about that...
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There are models of the Lenovo Thinkpad 11e with Windows installed, and models with ChromeOS installed.

It used to be the case that you could not install Windows on a chromebook because the BIOS was different. Is Lenovo going so far as to change the BIOS on this board, or does ChromeOS not require a different sort of BIOS anymore?

Thanks if anyone can answer that question for me.
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>>52662530
Depends what you've had to the past to compare from.
Build quality of a my T43p is vastly different compared to T430. It's still durable but not as robust.
Most people dislike the chicklet key travel and newer layout of the keyboard.
I have gotten used to the keyboard layout, though I'd prefer the traditional 7 row, I'll be fine with the chicklet 6.

Some models have soldiered ram now, they aren't as easy to do maintenance sometimes.
>A31p is like four screws and BAM

>>52662817
That sucks anon, I would be furious.
Amazon did that once when I bought a Fiio amp, they gave me a desktop variant than the portable one but it cost more so I kept it (:

>>52664011
No.
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>>52664309
If you're into consumer laptops then nothing.
But it doesn't have a strengthened chassis, no magnesium frame, hardly much part compatibility, low end options.
'It has a good GPU tho.' And it's not with it either, get an XPS or gaming laptop instead.

>>52664534
T430 plays league comfy.
Reason why I bought it
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>>52666472
Typically they cost from $50 to $300 more than eBay buy it nows.
Don't fall into the seller refurbish hype, it's just a used computer being sold by a company who 'checked it' eg cleaned it, disk health check, dusted the fan, maybe swapped out bad parts.
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>>52666830
Everything is 16:9, there might be an android tablet that's 16:10, but it won't be a ThinkPad.

X63 might be coming out to the states, but it will be a pretty penny.

>>52668127
3rd party batteries don't work on them, so beware.
Other then that a good system.

>>52668340
Missing info and needs to be updated.
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How was your day fellas?

I have just passed my last exam of the semester, and got my Debian sticker too :3
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I have a x220 and feel like getting something new. I don't want to fall into the Apple Meme so I come here for advice.

I have a data plan on verizon and would like to use on my next laptop. Currently I find interest in the dell 7370. The dual usb c ports would be nice to have.

I also have the x1 and x240/x250 on the short list because they offer an LTE option.

At one point I thought about purchasing a Surface 3 LTE but it feels overpriced compared for the hardware specifications.

Any advice is welcomed. And yes, I will install Gentoo/all hail Stallman
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>>52669461
>January
>last exam
What kind of schedule is this.
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T420 with

>i5 2520m
>8GB DDR3 RAM
>160GB SSD
>1600x900
>Undefined battery life

For 260€, Y/N?

I'm really tired of looking for a good deal and if I get assblasted enough I'll buy that T400 I have on sight with 4GB of RAM for 118€.
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>>52662790
sure, i dont know of thinkpads that dont work well with arch. just switch out that god awful trackpad/ultranav with a t450 one
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>>52669757
University in Hungary
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>>52669461
Day is just starting
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>>52670107
F
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>>52670107
F

How'd you manage that, Butterfingers?
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Not sure what to buy to replace my dead X60. Any X61 users here? How is it?
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I saw an x230 going for $200.

Stock i5
4gb ram
128gb ssd
Screen got replaced with an x220
Battery life is around 2-4 hours

Should I get it?
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i've got a x220 tablet with a built in wan card ( sim slot behind battery)

How do I use it? I put my sim card in but nothing changed and I don't see it in my network adapters.
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Did I do good, /g/?
I put in an offer for $280 so shipping included it was $300. From the pictures it seems to be basically like-new condition
For those that don't feel like looking at the image: X230 with an i5 3320M and fingerprint reader

It has a 180GB SSD and I plan to add my own 128GB mSATA SSD.
Also has 4GB RAM. I have a 4GB stick somewhere so if that's in single-stick form I can have 8GB, if not 6GB isn't too bad
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>>52670561
What the fuck how did you get a built in wan card. Did you mod it
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>>52670561
are you sure you actually have a wan card? a lot of thinkpads come with the ports required for such things but lack the card.
pop open your ram slot and see if the card is installed or see if your current lan chip has wan capabilities.
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Thoughts on the w510?
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>>52670790
Oh fucking hell I just checked eBay. Of course right AFTER I buy the cheapest buy it now I see, 2 of the same model pop up at low sub-$300, but they do have some damage/wear and that doesn't. Not sure if that means I didn't do good

The used ThinkPad buying guide says that $390 is a "want it now" ie buy it now price for them so I think I did moderately well
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>>52670864
>>52670790

Not sure if people here do this but I check replacement parts first and then check out used thinkpads and factor in the cost of replacing the parts and see if it's worth it.

I got an $89 i7 x220 with a broken but usable screen and a broken palm rest.
All together I spent around $190 to fix it and was still cheaper than the i7s on sale at the time .
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>>52670909
In hindsight I probably should have done that, but I'm in college and currently basically laptopless (I say "basically" as I have one but it's rocking a C2D and has a battery life of maybe 2 usable hours so that isn't really usable for college) so I needed to get a new laptop and fast. The one I was using last semester completely broke so I got rid of it (it had a whole list of problems before breaking so to fix it was probably just not worth it. Thing was basically totaled, not due to mistreatment but simply weird problems here and there that added up) so I've been without laptop for a while in an environment where a laptop is nearly a necessity.
tl;dr I would have bought cheaper and broken but repaired but I don't have the time to do that (I may not even have the tools, depending on the nature of the repair)
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>>52670964
I'm in that situation too anon , but thinkpads are really easy to repair. I'm just trying to save you some money :3
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>>52670420
When it comes to upgrades, if you aren't jumping at least 2 generations, you may not notice much of a performance increase.

Not sure what your x60 specs are(/were RIP) but x61 won't cut you off at 3GB RAM. It'll take 8 but 4GBx2 modules are prohibitively expensive; you're better off at 2GBx2. You can get Middleton BIOS for SATAII, kill the whitelist, and have the possibility of a SXGA+ IPS screen. Penryn processor equipped boards exist for a modest CPU/bus improvement. As with anything, an SSD is a big improvement.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can swap an x61 board into a x60 chassis if it's your mobo that is dead and you want to keep most of what you've got.

t. T601F owner
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>>52670997
Yeah I've done that before (that's how I ended up with that underpowered and short battery life laptop. Basically got it in parts for very cheap, maybe $100 in total) but I didn't think about it.

I guess I dun goofed
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Is a Core 2 Duo THAT bad for a laptop?
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>>52670790
That's not bad for a complete, non-fucked model. Happy thinkpadding.
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>>52671041
3rd gen C2D is MAYBE usable but from firsthand experience I wouldn't recommend it.
2nd gen iX is probably the lowest you should do

>>52671056
Thanks. It'll be my first since using an R40 for a while a few years back
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has anyone with a T420, had the internal bluetooth stop working and refuses to be detected?
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>>52671161
I disabled mine the BIOS.
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Have a T410. What would be a good upgrade (as in new system) for this?
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>>52671473
Could do a T430 with the T420 keyboard, if you wanted to.
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What you guys think about the Thinkpad t440 models?
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>>52671041
Depends entirely on your use case, but if your needs are modest, the main drawback of older C2D machines is battery life. You can shitpost and do normie stuff just fine.

>>52671697
Clickpad is an abomination but it's easy to swap for the traditional t450.
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T510 - my first ever Thinkpad, bought it a week ago, in love with it.
Bought SSD.
Want more GB.
Have a spare mechanical (5400rpm).
Bought caddy.

1. Is there an actual side cover that I can buy to cover the hole with the caddy. Who sells those (used) ?

2. What battery life reduction (%) should I expect from having a SSD/HDD combo.
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sup /tpg/
have a problem with my T61
it's running BunsenLabs (Crunchbang's Successor) and i'm having some problems with alsa

haven't found the same or a very similar problem on the internet so far either

basically, when waking the thinkpad up or unmuting it, it won't output sound anymore

if i go to the console and enter
alsactl init

it will output sound again

anyone got any ideas how to fix this?
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>>52671487
Is that really much of an upgrade though. My resolution is 1440x900 and I was hoping to stay above that.
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>>52671833
ACPI is fucked with Linux.
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What ram and ssd can I use in my x220t? I can't find any specifications on this and it's bothering me.
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>>52671833
Is it muted in alsamixer? When I first installed #!++, i had weird interactions between it and the pnmixer applet.

If there's anything specific you want me to look at, I've got that machine handy.
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>>52671909
A T420 can be up to 1600x900
>>52671796
I think you may be able to pop off the side cover from the original disk drive and pop it onto the caddy
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Just got my T420 and it's great. Thanks reddit
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>>52670208
Naw I bought it like that, doing a 1080p IPS swap.
>but fuck the iPhone for being a dumshit at uploading photos

>>52670552
Sold them for $280 and $350 w/ IPS last fall.
Sounds like a good price

>>52670909
Smart anon, I like you, I usually tell people this crap when some just ask 'did i do good?'

>>52671909
Get a FHD T440, X1C3, Yoga 14, otherwise, you'll probably want to look for elsewhere or maybe get a 15" laptop then.

>not just getting a Pixel LS
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>>52671939

http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for/Lenovo/thinkpad-x220
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>>52670008

Yes
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>>52669461

Looks nice, anon
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>>52671962
Edit: Also, I suck dicks and didn't bother to mention I was talking about my T61.
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Why is the T450 so fucking shit?

What happened between the golden age of x220 and today?
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>>52671962
well, that's interresting:
if i mute it, it mutes master and the currently active output (speakers/headphones)
when i then unmute, it only unmutes master but not the device.
seriously, what the hell is alsa even doing here?

wouldn't even know what file to look at to fix this
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What do?
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>>52672122
Buy a sticker.
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>>52672077
I can't remember exactly, but it was one of those things I had to unmute things in the right order between the volume applet and alsamixer. Just fuck with it for a minute and if your issue is like mine you should be able to sort it out.
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>>52672122

Put a sticker on it or something
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>>52672122
Use compression
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>>52672150
no thanks, my lagdroid is slow enough without image editing
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FAGS
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>>52672122
Cut out a plain label carefully in the shape and write "ThinkPad" on it.
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>>52672164

i love you too, anon
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>>52672122
>>52672176
Or just get a new one on ebay, doesn't cost much..
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>>52672220
What do I even search for? "ThinkPad sticker-thing from the front of a ThinkPad"
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>>52672066
Chiclet happened
Macbook keyboards happened
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>>52672273
thinkpad badge
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>>52672273
Look for faulty/for parts. Maybe they have a spare outer casing thing going for cheap.
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>>52672273
Put an Apple sticker over it.
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When will the resolution-lets learn?
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>>52672390
They'll never "learn" because they don't want to "learn". They already know it's bad, but if they start giving better options, eventually those better, more expensive options will become the norm and it will ever so slightly cut into their profits. Keep it shit, sell the shit, make more money than selling less shitty shit to shitty people that don't know better
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>>52672273
Thinkpad sticker/badge, just make sure it's the right size
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I've seen a lot of these on govt auction sites
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>>52660997
I just got it in my head to get a new laptop for school and I'm thinking about getting a ThinkPad. I'll only be using it for school, so it just has to do eclipse, xilinx, word, etc, all at a reasonable pace. I'm thinking about a T450 14 inch, 500 GB, 12 GB ram. There's also a model with 8 gigs ram for about 40 less bucks. Any thoughts or suggestions or anything?
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>>52660997
I'm trying to breath new life into a old a31p. Where I can get a a31p motherboard supplier that ships internationally?
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>>52672626
>I'm thinking about a T450 14 inch, 500 GB, 12 GB ram
>12GB RAM

The U series of the Intel is complete trash. Keep that in mind. It was made to keep the battery usage to a minimum, not to provide a decent amount of computing power.
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>>52672796
Is there a line of ThinkPads that don't use a U series processor?
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>>52672796
>battery usage to a minimum

>portable computer
>battery life is irrelevant

the fuck
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>>52672135
well, i managed to fix it by remapping the buttons with xbindkeys
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>>52672626
Think: do you REALLY need that much power for just that?
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>>52672964
>portable computer
>computing power is irrelevant
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>>52673152
those ulvs that you are bitching about has the same computing power as a 35w sandy/ivy bridge but with significantly more battery life
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>>52673144
The i5 or the ram? I think the processor would be pretty important, ram not so much. Since it's only a $40 jump between 8-12 GB I figured I'd just go for the higher end. It's mostly xilinx that's killing my current laptop, it takes for fucking ever to synthesize stuff.
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>>52673266
I'm talking primarily about the ram but the processor as well.You could save quite a bit and just buy a used, older laptop that isn't too much less powerful
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>>52673120
Cool, glad you figured it out. Wish I could have been more help. Weird issue.
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>>52672390

Then which laptop do you use, jerkhead?
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>>52673321
macbook pro® with retina display™.
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>>52673293
Yeah buying used might be a good idea, I'll look into it.
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>>52673321
A real goddamn Thinkpad for real men.
>having less than 1000 vertical pixels
>current year
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Stupid question. My x201 just arrived. I have a ssd with arch installed in my x200. Can I simply migrate my ssd from my x200 to my x201? I assumed the worst that could happen is that I find out I need to install new drivers.
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>>52673703
Should work just fine.
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>>52673645
>2016
>Windows XP
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>>52673716
Thanks.
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>>52673775
>believing MS propaganda
>being afraid of the internet
No wonder you need a tiny babby laptop with a tiny babby resolution.
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>>52673703
Might as well try, nothing bad would happen if it doesn't work. I think it may work fine but you never know
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>>52666849
where are you buying these from?
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>>52664385
That's because you shouldn't you dummy
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Where do you all get your ram for t hinkpads? Not finding much on ebay. I am using a t420.

Isn't ram very easy to change? I was told you could get like 12gb for 30 bucks but i am not seeing this lol
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>>52660997
just got a x230. So much bloatware. Anything I should keep?
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>>52664534
more proof that /v/ is a fucking plague
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>>52674057
Keep the hard drive and install Linux.
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>>52673645
>Yonah
not Merom
>x1300
not x1400
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>>52674220
>implying I don't already have a post-08/08 nvidia T61 board and T9300
Just waiting on my thermal paste to arrive.
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>>52674102
can linux run powerpoints? I'm thinking of just dual booting in case of instances of uncompatibility
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>>52674259
Oh wow, a FrankedPad T601

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcoPj6ILYA

Good job anon
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:3
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>>52671972
>>52671796

Tried but I'm retarded. I know about the screws but it's the plastic that worries me.
I don't want to force anything, I'm always scared plastic is going to break when it starts bending...

As for the battery life, I guess I can find out the power consumption of the HDD and then just do some math.
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>>52674607
Get a second disk drive and pop it off of there
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>>52674268
https://askubuntu.com/questions/357327/can-i-open-ms-office-powerpoint-presentations-in-ubuntu
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>>52674451
HOLY SHIT THAT LOOKS COMFY
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>>52674032
The i5 is on eBay and the i7 is from Craig's List. Sorry for the late reply anon.
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>>52674577
clean the screen of the rmbp
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>>52674636

will do
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Do you have to download some hotkey program to set what the ThinkVantage button binds to? I can't tell from google results
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>>52675172
1. Windows - Sharpkeys
2. Linux - a multitude of ways to set keybindings
--a. What distro and/or WM/DE?
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Thinking about buying this t430s and possibly replacing the screen: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T430s-14-i5-3320m-8GB-1600x900-dual-battery-backlit-W10-Pro-/222004146013?hash=item33b07a6f5d:g:r8AAAOSwUV9WpCx9

What should my max bid be?
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>>52675321

can i change what the button on the thinkpad pen does with sharpkeys? the one that comes with tablets.
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>>52675695
make sure the t430s uses an edp connector instead of a lvds one if you want a quality screen
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>>52675695
>guise, how do i ebay
>>>/k/illyourself

Two goats and a bushel of wheat.
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>>52675763
eeeeh not sure, never had a tablet but I'd think so

surely somebody else will chime in that knows
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>>52675783
i think all of the t430s use lvds

I'm curious if there are any ips options available

>>52675786
>/tpg/
>asks about thinkpad
>shitposter shitposts it up
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>>52675866
No, the shitposters are the people that ask inane, nonspecific questions when the information is either clearly documented in the links in the OP or can be gleaned by knowing how to use the advanced search capabilities of auction sites.

Stupid questions belong in /sqt/. Just because you say the word "thinkpad" in your post doesn't make it appropriate for this thread.
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>>52676004

Thanks for doing the hard work to keep 4chan a safe, clean, but most-of-all an organized space to browse! Your moderation here is very much appreciated!
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>>52676004
Thank you anon, please keep up the work that you do for free!
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>>52676077
Most self-identifying redditor post of the day.
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>>52676114
You got me anon! Come join us in >>>/r/thinkpad when you get a chance :-) Tell them IAMNOTAPIECEOFHAM sent you!
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>>52676004
>he does it for free
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>>52676004
you can't stop it anon, idiots will keep asking if the dun good in an auction, or if you can game on a thinkpad.

rip in piece /tpg/
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>new T460p only has a 940MX as a dedicated GPU option

lenovo are trying to jew people in to buying an overpriced p series it seems
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Wrapped the W520, will update photos of this thing on eBay, im sure it'll sell now lol

>>52674577
sweet stand

>>52676004
Thanks anon, I bote you for moderation :DDDDDDD

>>52676269
>doesn't know that IBM did that too
'p' models were the best, just like how Dell Precisions are retardly expensive as well.
Well the P70 is hella expensive

>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T42p
>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T42

>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:A31p
>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:A31

>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Z61p
>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Z61m
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>>52661777

Why would you buy that instead of an older thinkpad? That newer i5 is like 10% faster than an older one.

Buy a T420 with an i5, put in an SSD and more memory, and upgrade the screen once the kit is done, and you'd have a better machine than that.
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>>52661914

Seems okay to me. I paid $160 for my T420. I didn't get a smokin' deal, but it was definitely a good price relative to everything else I found around the same time.
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>>52676578
>and you'd have a better machine than that.

>1366x768
>1920x1080

The T420 screens, even the HD+ ones, are unforgivable in 2016
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>>52676473
>'p' models were the best, just like how Dell Precisions are retardly expensive as well.

You say that but Dell Precisons tend to be at the bottom end of mobile workstation pricing, Lenovo is in the middle and HP is even more expensive.

I want to get rid of my Precision M4800 now to be honest.
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>>52676636
> >1366x768
> >1920x1080

Sorry, what are you trying to say? The T420 had 1366x768 (awful) and 1600x900 (not bad, but poor TFT angles).

I believe a 1080p IPS kit is going to be available soon.

In the meantime, 1600x900 is acceptable for me for mobile work on a laptop. I'll plug it in to my IPS for serious work.
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>>52676706
>I believe a 1080p IPS kit is going to be available soon.

'soon'

It's been 'soon' for over 6 months now.
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What features should I be looking for in a second hand t420 laptop?

Just want it for taking notes on and watching netflix
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>>52676727

That's not a very long time.

If you're that upset, then get the 420s, which already has a kit out.
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>>52661166
>>>/v/
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>>52676736

Screens are 1366x768 or 1600x900.

I recommend getting the cheapest 1600x900 and putting in your own SSD and memory. It seems like every jerkoff who slapped in a second DIMM thinks it's magically worth an extra $200.
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>>52665009
s2ram
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>>52676742
>which already has a kit out

that has been out of production for 6 months
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Any other thinkpad screens with digitizers compatible with my x220T?
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Just got a new used x230. Any major bloatware I should remove? I got rid of some 3rd part already like sugarsync and the cd burner crap
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>>52676636
Most laptop screens were unforgivable in 2009
the fuck
>no more IPS 1600 x 1200 displays
>hardly any IPS 1920 x 1200 in laptops
>1366 x 768 is the trending norm

>>52676727
Just mod one yourself then, like how some did with the X61 and X31

>>52676736
4GB RAM, 2.5GHz proc, intel graphics (discrete not much better), AC adapter... idk what else, they have been trending about $120 - 160 for non project ones.
's' variants can't have their processors upgraded because they used soldiered RAM.

>>52676775
some have been resupplied
non 's' kits are the problem childs

>>52676783
Lenovo messenger, solutions, share it, maybe communications.
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>>52676775

30 seconds of searching led me to an IPS panel for the T420s.
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>>52664505
I play the occasional half life 1 on mine.
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New thread:
>>52676812
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>>52676821
hint: you need to do more research
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I bought a T410 for 100 bones, good decision? Was an impulse buy for college.
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>>52676820
>soldiered

Heh.
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This might sound retarded but is there any way to bypass the onboard flashchip that loads boot firmware with an external flash chip?
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>>52676841

No I don't, because I don't have a 420s.

That said, I'm not seeing any reported problems with these. How about you stop being a condescending prick and either offer up clearly worded information or fuck off?
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>>52676821
congrats, you found a panel that's incompatible with your LVDS port! Enjoy your wasted money!
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>>52676872

It's explicitly for LVDS. WTF are you talking about?
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>>52676862
3rd result on google for 't420 ips'
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Replacing_T430_screen_with_a_better_one#T440p.2FT440s_1080p_FHD_IPS_Panel

getting the ips panel working requires a chinese converter board that isn't sold any more

thank me later for spoonfeeding you
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>>52676888
>talking out your asshole
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