"If your keyboard has no arrow keys, you're literally a meme" edition
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friendly reminder that you can grab a nice TKL filco/ducky clone with actual cherry switches for $65 on amazon right now
i literally just canceled my memeforce order and got this instead
Fuck, I want an ergodox infinity, but that fucking shipping.
Thanks for the heads up. Here is to hoping that I am a fan of the brown switch.
I got the red switches.
I had an opportunity to try out a few mkbs at a store and all the tactile switches with their bump halfway through the actuation kept screwing with my typing because i'm so used to bottoming out. Reds didn't interfere with typing and they actually felt nice to press regardless of whether i was bottoming out or not.
I don't know how anyone can stand blues tho, they're so annoying.
Looking for a good mechanical keyboard.
no shit led keyboard. my room is not a fuking disco.
are silent swiches as good as usualls?
A lot of /mkg/ has a hate boner for browns, mostly because they barely feel tactile once you've actually used a tactile click. For beginners, they're the most inoffensive switch, but a lot of brown users end up transitioning after a while. Doesn't mean they're bad switches though. Don't fall for the Topre meme, they're not worth the money unless you really want a Topre.
Who has a ducky mini? I don't get the hate for its housing I think it looks pretty nice and when it's dark you don't see it at all. I love mine though.
I would like to get a full size one of these days just to switch it up a bit.
Is this legit? Sorry I'm new to all this.
Should I even bother with the massdrop magicforce keyboard if I constantly use the f keys for gaming? for example I do play dota 2 quite often and find myself using the f1 key to reposition myself. Also its nice to spam f5 on /b/
How can anybody use the SA profile? You're pushing the first and second row forward rather than straight down. There's way too much friction for it to be comfortable. Is it just for looks?
>Also its nice to spam f5 on /b/
get off this board
And if you use a key frequently, adjusting to not having and having to use a macro it isn't worth the effort. Find a different keyboard.
I didnt pay for shipping but I paid 5 for tax... which still freaking sucks. In my mind it doesnt matter whether it was for shipping as its 5 extra that I wish I didnt have to pay
This is the MX brown force curve, red line added for emphasis.
Look at how small of a deviation from the linear lines before and after the tactile bump it is.
Even the knockoff brands realized how shit it was and made the bump bigger. Gateron browns are somewhere between an MX brown and MX clear.
I had my Realforce 87U 55g get delivered a couple days ago. Not too happy with it. The keys are pretty heavy, I didn't expect 55g to be like this. The spacebar in particular is a bit much.
Was it worth it? Almost. I think the variable weight would be a better option or just a lighter consistent one.
I don't see anything wrong with DSA, it pushes the force down toward the button. SA is a completely different story though, it seems like a purely aesthetic profile.
With the steep curves and the high profile, it's a horrible combination for MX switches. I figured I'd give it a shot, I'm typing on it right now, but it's the most uncomfortable set of keys I've ever used. I even ended up lubing up my old switches to try and make it more comfortable, but nothing seems to work.
>The keys are pretty heavy
If I start slamming keys hard on my 45g hhkb after a while I start getting fatigue, and it's on plastic.
55g topre on metal must be pretty brutal, I dunno why so many praise it
Decided to use my CM Ultimate w/ Browns after using my Ducky Mini w/ Blues for months. I hate and love both. I like the actuation feel of my Blues but I love the quietness of the Browns.
Seems like a pretty solid argument in favor of the gateron browns. I was reading online about the comparison between the two and it seems like everyone that has tried both prefers the gateron blues, blacks, reds, and browns over the cherry versions.
So my question here is.... why is cherry more and why is gateron not as well known? Seems to be tossed in the budget realm behind cherry
Cherry was the one who invented the cherry mx switch design and their patents expired in 2013, leading to an onslaught of chinese clones and race to the bottom $50 mechanical keyboards.
The only problem with cherry mx clone switches is that they're still not time-tested as they've only been in existence for a few years.
Maybe in 5 years, people won't use the term "cherry clone" so derisively and cherry will have to step up their game in order to stay relevant.
Gateron is fairly new to the market. The more established knockoffs are Kailh and Greetech. They're not the dirt cheapest option, so cheap brands don't want them. They aren't often found in high-end brands because people equate knockoff with shit.
I came here to laugh at your ant keyboards. [spoiler]I wish these fucking non standard keycaps didn't break so easily[/spoiler]
Used to have MX browns. If you can't bother doing tactile feedback well then I'd rather not have it at all so I prefer blues and reds.
Do people actually like keyboards with angry gamer styling?
Or is it a feedback loop where designers THINK it'll appeal to dumb gamer kids and then the gamer kids buy them because they don't know any better?
Friendly reminder that you can get the full Topre™ experience for only $10 at any thrift store!
I just got a notice from my boss that I am to "cease use of your keyboard immediately as it is offending other employees" otherwise I will have a strike against my employment (3 strikes and you are fired). Is this legal or? FYI I am using a filco mechanical keyboard at work as I find it ergonomic and generally prefer mechanical keyboards for writing on.
I almost got harassed for using mx blues for a week.
It was all part of my master plan though, as I brought topre the following week and so they all welcomed it as very pleasant and a nice change.
Two questions :
My keyboard is shit and I'm looking for a good one.
All I do is : programming, talking with friends, and gaming sometimes.
How much should I spend for a full keyboard (with num pad, arrow keys, and if possible media keys to control volume, play/stop music) ?
is it really worth it in the end ? for what I do ? or getting a nice keyboard not that expensive is good enough ?
Should I get an Apple magic trackpad to put next to my hhkb and thus reach MAXIMUM AESTHETIC?
Swissbro, did you notice any downsides to it?
I use windows and linux only, btw.
>working at a small software company
>new hire brings keyboard with mx blues
>everyone can hear his typing noises all day
>he bottoms out like a retard
>someone stole his keyboard during lunch
>he didn't buy another one
>he just used the company issued rubber dome from that day forward
and that's how you deal with mechanical keyboard autists
I don't know if it works with windows and linux, but it's absolutely amazing for anything that doesn't require high amounts of mouse precision (e.g. Gaymen). I use an app called bettertouchtool for assigning functions to various gestures so not only can I navigate my virtual desktops, I can also open set folders, toggle alfred and applications and all kinds of other stuff.
And it's great for your wrist and hand too.
That being said, I don't know anything about compatibility with anything other than os x (works great with my hackintosh).
the short answer is yes.
the long answer is the higher price is not entirerly justified.
so if you are okay with spending double for getting 30% better, you'll be in heaven.
cherry mx feels like a toy after topre.
That's a pretty subjective matter. I switched from mx clears to 45g topre and I prefer topre. But I still also really like mx clears.
Get a switch tester, cooler master has one with a novatouch topre switch (no mx clear though).
>be browsing this general on and off for months
>finally decide to buy a mechanical board
>bite the bullet and sign up for massdrop
>all the dumb trinkets and fancy caps and flavor of the week memeboards posted ITT are sold in the same place
that was disillusioning to say the least
>>be browsing this general on and off for months
>>bite the bullet and sign up for massdrop
so you didn't pay attention.
we write daily that assdrop is a risky bet at best, and a scam or fraud at worst.
>I want to buy my first mechanical keyboard
buy a fucking $70 quickfire rapid in browns and call it a day. it's just another hobby that will end up making you get to spend like $500 on something that you really don't need to spend $500 on, at fucking all. the only reason you buy mechanical is for the reliability and better overall feel. its' the same shit with faggots on guitar general threads on /mu/ circle jerking and fighting over whether rosewood or maple is a better fretboard wood. it just doesn't matter as much as memers try to make you believe.
No, it's just that there are fuckuos when that many orders occur. Personally I've had no problems with massdrop so far, but I've seen various complaints so beware. Personally, I'd probably stick anything above 100 bucks into a proper retailer unless I can get a really good deal in asscrop.
If that were the case you could try getting a refund. AFAIK it usually happens to really large quantity orders and from chink manufacturers, that might arrive with production defects (smudged dyeing, cosmetic damage, misaligned keys etc)
>being this assblasted
hey, don't feel bad
maybe if you save up your autismbucks for a few months instead of spending them on tenga eggs and anime dolls, you might be able to afford an mkb of your very own!
It isn't very difficult to understand that several people can only find validation in their lives through spending on expensive but not necessarily quality products and bragging about it on laotian pottery forums, anon
Shit man, you got a point.
By the way, my cheap mushy HP rubberdome never shat the bed but it makes my fingers tired and is a bitch to clean.
I was thinking about a Lolita since it's cheap but people say it's not reliable and will easily suffer from malfuction,.
My question is : how a (poorfag tier) mech board could be weaker in the long run than a basic budget rubberdome?
Are rubberdome like soviet rustic stuff that never break but are shitty to use ?
$150 is the upper limit of mechanical keyboards unless you're counting topres, and in that case, you're paying for build quality and fit and finish so nice that you don't need to rice it with aftermaket parts.
seriously tho, you don't need to spend more than $120 to get a good keyboard
Depends on which switches you get
Kailh are shit tier chink clones that have massive qc problems, so if you get original cherry switches it shouldn't have any issues.
Unless you go full retard on buying chinkshit, a mech board will easily outlive rubberdomes by years, and if a switch/LED dies you can resolder a new one, whereas you need to replace a whole rubberdome if shit fucks up
>>$150 is the upper limit of mechanical keyboards
pic related, about 500ish each
>>Unless you go full retard on buying chinkshit, a mech board will easily outlive rubberdomes by years
rubberdomes can easily last 10-15 years if you don't cum or spread cheetos on them.
>obviously that is your objective
$430 is about 3 days of work, and you use your keyboard several hours a day for 365 days a year.
in 5 years, it's around $ 0.20 a day.
hardly bankrupt matter.
>you use your keyboard several hours a day
ah, you're autistic. this makes more sense now.
I was thinking of going kailh. I'm merely consider keyboards as a tool so I want one that will last, be easy to clean and feel nice enough without screaming like a japanese porn star at every keystroke (else I would have go mx blue) feeling like spending more on it than I need to (else I would have bought a silenced realforce).
I considered mx clears but I won't bitch I I can only get kailh browns for a fraction of the price. (I tested topre, cherry, razer shitty stuff and some buckling springs in consumer electonic shops. Topre are the best but too fucking expensive).
>Topre are the best but too fucking expensive)
a novatouch is 120 on sale and you can wait next year to buy caps if you are poor.
>ah, you're autistic.
I am paid to use my keyboard 8 hours a day, and then I use it some 4-6 hours more at home.
if you are a casual, get out
If I buy some mx, I'd choose clears, or by default browns. reds are too light. Plus, I'd rather keep a rubber than using linear switches. I also never gaymen.
>novatouch is 120 on sale
It's still roughly twice the price of a lolita, dude.
more pieces. more complex mechanism.
poor quality control.
more things can go wrong
a membrane keyboard is just a sheet of rubberdomes over a plastic circuit printed membrane (actually two)
it may feel bad, but takes stupidity corrosion or accidents to break.
Yeah, I never tried the kailh but I've been told they are stiffer than the mx.
So you say that mechanical keyboards are less likely to survive longer than a rubberdome I'd dumpster dive?
Nope, it will be lighter. 45g cherry mx would need a 45g to get past the tactile bump, but even more force would be required to bottom out the switch. 45g on topre would be the peak force, ar its tactile bump requires more force than bottoming out.
So, 55g topre is lighter than, for example, cherry blues. People complaining about its weight are faggots.
That's what I wanted to hear. I find it weird that there are more people complaining about 55g topre being too heavy than about clears. Are topre fanboys a bunch of pussies or something?
>tfw use some random microsoft digital media pro membrane keyboard for 5+ years that i didn't even pay for
>no fading on the keys
>nice, smooth key strokes that let your fingers fly
>go out and try some cherry mx and topre keyboards before spending my money
...yeah, this is all an on-going meme. my fucking computer cost less than your keyboards
Yep, most likely overstock from installs they did on cop cars or kiosks or something.
It will have a blood spatter mat Uber the keycaps that you'll want to remove because it makes everything feel weird.
It also has blacks so that combined with the thickness of it and the lack of win keys means it's fatiguing to type on
Good if you need a server terminal board
Its not. Cherry measures atuation force, not bottom out force.
>Please look at a force graph.
Here it is. Topre tactile bump requires more force than bottoming out. Pic related, 45g topre.
Anybody here have any experience with the b.87 series from winkeyless?
Going to build one with Zealios as it's the only board I can find with the key layout I like.
Can't decide between black keycaps or white keycaps on brushed alu, help me /g/
Are you sure you know what this is?
Then it ain't a Filco clone.
>Its not. Cherry measures atuation force, not bottom out force.
I'm well aware - however, this is not the same thing as the peak of the tactile bump. Actuation occurs lower in the throw.
>Topre tactile bump requires more force than bottoming out.
I am not disagreeing with this.
Offhand, I'd probably say white.
this is what i'm looking for:
>fullsize with numpad
>backlit with at least 2 or 3 colors
>cherry brown, red or black
>nice build quality
>available in europe
I'm not really sure on the switches. I heard browns are a good starting point but i have never tried them.
I do. I tried out cherry reds on a friends keyboard and I have to say that linears are quite nice on an actual keyboard.
I want to play around with keyboard building so I'm thinking of making a 40% since it's be an interesting experiment and also rather cheap. Seems like a good chance to try out 35g gaterons while I'm at it.
Same here, but the Ncase I just got is silver + black
Gotta keep that colour scheme going senpai
Googling couldn't find me many good pics of the schemes I'm thinking of, anybody got some offhand?
>Then it ain't a Filco clone
Right. And cherry clones are not clones because they are not made by cherry.
Oh, cool. Yeah, I like Gat clears, but I don't think I could use a full board of them for typing - I imagine that, frequently enough, I'd accidentally rest my hand on it and type several letters.
Pictures of aluminum cases wouldn't be very common outside 60% boards. You can try looking at threads of Korean customs on GH, maybe?
It clones nothing of the thing that makes a Filco a Filco. I find it a stretch to think that Filco invented the plain, black look.
Things are memes for a reason
Fags aren't up for the challenge. It's like having Nanoblocks instead of Duplo.
>Getting your color schemes right
If you're at your workstation for any considerable amount of time you want it to be to your liking, no? As above I'm not one to slap some random shit together and call it a day
No. This is called Gondola, apparently.
I don't even know why I like it.
>It clones nothing of the thing that makes a Filco a Filco. I find it a stretch to think that Filco invented the plain, black look.
TKL with this layout spacing? Yes, they did. The font is the same, the leds indicators are the same, the case design is the same, even the logo position is the same.
Neither, but nice try.
Enjoy using your 10 year old yellowed Logitech rubber dome board with your grey Dell Optiplex while I build a functional piece of interior design.
Get off this Chilean Elon Musk fanfic website and go back to gobbling gooks knobs.
>Gondola is a mutation of Spurdo Spärde consisting of a head placed directly on a pair of legs with no arms or torso. The character does not speak and is usually depicted as melancholic or sad.
>Gondola first originated on the Ylilauta /int/ board by an Italian poster (named Scary Pizza) in a now-deleted post from summer of 2015. It was meant to be a new and less aggressive version of Spurdo who doesn’t speak Spurdish, or at all; a melancholic man that doesn’t talk, but only observes the world. On the VK Spurdo page, the following character profile is listed (sic throughout):
> Gondola was not a mistake
>Gondolas are relaxed, harmless creatures that observe their environment. They rarely interfere anything, but just keep observing. They rarely talk, just look around and smile. This makes them very different from other creatures such as spurdo, that feel, pepe, yoba, etc.
> Gondola is the silent walker. Having no hands he embodies the Taoist
principle of wu-wei (non-action) while his smiling facial expression
shows his utter and complete acceptance of the world as it is.
It's italian! Fuck yeah!
Perfect soldering joints.
Shitty keycaps; buy it barebones if you can.
Some boards come with ping noise, you can solve this by adding cloth between the PCB/ plate and the case.
I posted a comparison to the Filco MJ2 a few days ago, but I'll just type it again.
>pings (with clears)
>average build quality
https://vid dot me/Q630
Here is video of my silenced NT with landing pads, stabs lubbed
Currently looking for new keycaps for my KBT Poker 2.
I'm pretty satisfied with the keyboard itself, although I was an idiot and bought the ABS-Keycaps on them.
Is pic related actually worth the money?
If not, what do you guys suggest?
Okay kids GH here, do NOT buy fake Pulse set it's a cheap replica and we will punish anyone who buys and posts it here, on GH or reddit.
DO NOT support ripoffs and fakes, this is our last warning.
no those are o-ring and are useless.
the landing pads are sold by hypersphere through groupbuys and feel like very slim sponges, see pic above you.
you need to open the whole keyboard to mount them, they go under the case.
>What did you lube and how?
the metal stabilizers on big keys
>check my Granites
>Ship date April
how fucking lazy are they
I mean you tried. I still have 3 dank free keyboards.
dank as fuck man.
Bro what kind of landing pads do you have?
I tried with Elitekeyboards thin black ones and tried to iron them soft
I don't know if its my iron that has some sort of safety shit but I couldn't get them flat. So it was pretty shit and keys got stuck etc
I'm assuming you mean PBT? It doesn't. The stock caps are lasered abs. Though the whole point of the keyboard is that you can replace your caps.
Tai Hao Miami keycaps show up on massdrop quite often, otherwise you can also find them on ebay and various other places.
Soldering switches isn't very difficult. Desoldering may be a bit more of a pain if depending on what kind of equipment you have.
I would have to buy a kit. Not gonna buy something cheap and bad
Well I tried to do really long, but as I said it felt like the iron just didn't like to burn things. Did you use anything hard as base? I did it on my normal iron board which is soft so maybe it needs more pressure.
no its my qt~
then a 60% keyboard isnt for you? May I suggest any of the good full sizes for less money? See thats how marketing works.
Can you believe this is actually how people use their spacebars?
thats what I said but I have tested it and its works and its how people actually have it face. This is an extreme case of my thumb ergonomics I guess.
What does /g/ think about unicomp keyboards? I feel like I want something that lasts, and buckling springs have a great rep for that. (Or maybe I could find a model m in a bin somewhere, but that requires luck)
I went to that one watch subreddit and they were literally banning people for posting pictures of their chinese replicas of expensive watches.
I wouldn't be surprised if you'd get banned from r/mk for posting shameless chinese clones of expensive keyboards and capsets.
It's from /int/, but I don't know where they got it from.
>mfw waiting for my mechanical keyboard in the mail
I've been looking for new keycaps for a week now, decided I'd make my own on wasd.
I'm not convinced with myself, should I also put an emoji on the system-keys ?
Feel like the navigation key and Scroll/Print/Pause can't be blank with with the arrowkeys like that. but I don't feel like it'd be "too much" if I put emojis there too.
need your advice /mkg/. [SPOILER]plz ;-;[/SPOILER]
UV coating ABS
mmmh. I want it as dank as possible so prob. Pink/blue/white, something like that. Dunno yet, haven't really tried out yet.
I'm trying hard. You think senpai will notice my memes ?
I've had a CM Quickfire TK for a while now, with Cherry Blue switches. Ever since I got it the fucking thing has had this annoying issue where it doesn't "turn on" until a minute or so after I power up my computer. Sometimes it just doesn't turn on at all and my computer makes plugged in/unplugged sounds over and over.
I'm debating just buying a new keyboard, but maybe somebody here shares my woes and found a solution?
I'm your senpai and how did you post a picture of nothing?
It works in both BIOS and Windows eventually, but takes a long time to turn on. I have to plug in another keyboard when I want to actually get into my BIOS because of how long it takes.
Is this true? Should i just go for mx browns or get a switch tester?
>inb4 meme switches
If i want something affordable here in europe it's either mx reds or browns
ideally, he should try them at a store or something
go out of your way to a niche hardware store if you have to
switches give you no impression of how the keyboard will actually feel
That page is full of people who haven't actually tried that many switches.
They got some board with browns and thought it was the best shit ever, with nothing to compare it to. No different than people who think Bose is good because they haven't compared it to anything else they could get for the same price.
Unless you've actually used a bunch of different switches, you have no business rating switches.
My own ratings would go:
Topre > Ergoclears > ALPS/Matias tactile > Clears > Gateron, Kailh browns > MX browns
BS > Green > ALPS clicky > Blues
Matias > whatever Gateron > whatever Cherry
Don't you Cherry MX swine have anything better to do with yourselves?