>>52609145 I hate Apple with passion but i have absolutely no idea why they would do that. They are going to increase the price per earphone/headphone set by several dollars because of the DAC an all the digital circuitry. Unless they plan on driving earphones through PWM, but i cant see that happening, ever
>>52609187 They already own Beats, and doing this will force people to buy headphones specifically made for iphones because like you pointed out the headphones have to include additional hardware and a simple adapter cable will not work. It's genius, thank you Dr. Dre and Tim Cuck.
>>52609187 Perhaps they're integrating some sort of low power amp to drive their headphones within the lightning circuitry? I would assume that would sound great with their beats. Just taking a wild guess here, sounds like you know a lot more than I do about the way this all works.
Apple will not lose any customers to Samsung, because their customers are stupid, and will put up with any level of bullshit from them.
They didn't lose customers when they told their users "you're holding it wrong". They didn't lose customers when they had vulnerability after vulnerability revealed, until iOS was shown to have more vulnerabilities than Adobe Flash in 2015, and nobody batted an eye. They didn't lose customers when their screens kept cracking so damn easily. They didn't lose customers when their map application turned out to be a massive piece of shit.
Apple users don't make decisions based on quality of product. They make decisions based on what all of their friends are using. iPhones are a status symbol.
>>52609145 Apple understands who buys their devices and that the vast majority of those people are fanboy retards or consumers who dont do their homework before buying a multi hundred dollar device they will use on a daily basis.
Basically they're fucking over their customers because they know they'll gey away with it.
>>52609257 There are two possible cases >they sell iPhone, and then sell the 50$ lightning headphones as an add-on >they sell iPhone, and then sell the 50$ external sound card with lightning to 3.5mm as an add-on Either way they make tons of money and people dont care because "dude its an iphone!" Either way its very unfair to the customers, imagine buying a 700$ phone, and then realizing you cant use your earphones that you have always used
>>52609307 >didn't affect people who "held it right" >the average user barely knew what security was and didn't give a shit anyway >didn't affect people who weren't clumsy pieces of shit and/or used a case >didn't affect people who had a GPS like normal people
This decision however affects a wider range of people, pretty much everyone uses their smartphone as a PMP or otherwise needs headphones for their device
>>52609307 LOL the iPhone 6 and 6s are far better than any android nowadays, believe it or not the majority of people doesn't give a shit about customization, people want a phone that does phone things, like searching the Internet, check their social media accounts, take good photos and all that, this "iPhone are bad" meme needs to really fucking die. I like my Samsung s6 but an iphone 6s is far superior in performance.
>>52609379 >LOL the iPhone 6 and 6s are far better than any android nowadays, believe it or not the majority of people doesn't give a shit about customization, people want a phone that does phone things, like searching the Internet, check their social media accounts, take good photos and all that, this "iPhone are bad" meme needs to really fucking die. I like my Samsung s6 but an iphone 6s is far superior in performance. Thats alright and all but i prefer not to be dealt with like a child by my own phone
>>52609411 I can afford a a couple of dozen of iPhones without batting an eye, but the question is, why would i buy something that exists solely to juice out money out of me? Why dont i go and buy an android phone that can do everything an iphone can and costs less?
>>52609307 That's because all the tech blogs normal consumers turn to (the verge, Engadget, etc.) don't report this shit. They're afraid of being banned from future Apple events. I'm serious, Apple actually bans you if you say so ethimg bad about them.
Like shit, the verge even made a video of a banana bending after bendgate happened to defend Apple, only to have one of their editors iPhones bend in his pocket. They played it off like it wasn't an issue. It's like this everywhere, notice how whenever the iphone is missing a feature, it isnt important, but when an Android is missing a feature the iPhone has, its a negative (they actually go on and on about it during a review). The device could be $300 unlocked, but if it doesn't have a fingerprint sensor, its worthless to these people.
Not gonna blame Apple though, they saw these pushovers for what they are, and took advantage
Also, big phone's were bad before the iPhone 6, now they're fine. Back then, Samsung would always have size in the negative side. Fuck, these people thought 3/5 inch screens were the best size, until the iPhone 5, then 4 inches was.
>>52609398 Let's not forget oppo, they had a seriously thin phone last year that required a microusb->3.5mm adapter. Everyone knocked it as useless, and an unnecessary sacrifice for thinness. Can't wait to see how everyone pretends that never happened and hails Apple as a visionary for ditching the jack for thinness.
>>52609145 Why the fuck are companies so obsessed with thinness? Aren't phones thin enough? Why would anyone want them thinner? Sacrificing important stuff like a 3.5mm jack or battery life for something as stupid as thinness is retarded, i wish people would come to their senses already
>>52609145 Do you really think apple fans will abandon apple for this? all apple has to do is make a bullshit campaign about if you want to hear the best sound has to offer you'll need Cochlea Sound™ and 3.5mm is outdated low quality shit. They'll eat it up.
>>52609663 What? The 6s has a better processor than anything in the industry. This is well known elsewhere. Is /g/ really that far behind the times? Regardless of what you think of iOS they're not exactly using crippling hardware.
>>52609705 Hahahahaha, first, there's o ly one benchmark on that site, and they used it on the iPhone with a shitty screen. I know they claimed there was no difference between the plus and the normal, but I don't see how that's possible.
Pic related. If doesn't have the iPhone 6s in it, but I'll look for it and post it.
>>52609726 No, he said "far superior", as in nothing is close. I beg to differ on that. I don't want to see it being better, I want to see what he claimed. I already know its the best, but not " far superior ", like he claimed. That's why I called him out.
Apple customers will put up with it. Same thing with the death of ports, no optical drive*, soldered RAM over modular, nonstandard SSDs, and glued-in proprietary battery packs. As long as it's thinner than the last gen so onlookers can tell that they definitely have a newer, more expensive device without asking "is that the new one?".
All consumer tech manufacturers do this. No, business laptops won't save you. Businesses are just consumers that like to cut costs in bulk orders and don't give a fuck about aesthetics.
*someone, somewhere will say "duh cloud", like internet is always there, fast, free, reliable, and uncensored, or "duh dongles", like they don't cost a fuckload more than bulk BDs
>>52609803 >>52609726 I found d 6S benchmarks here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/6 And yeah, like I already knew, its better, but not "far superior". Especially when considering the huge difference in the amount of pixels some of these phones are driving.
>>52609349 They will include the lightning headphones with the iPhone that you can be sure, they are not stupid. Personally I like the Lightning port idea, less clutter, the format is pretty nice, as the usb-c, 98% of the people are not audiophile autists, and for the austist audience the will sell the adapter.
People are already sucking Apple's dick like no tomorrow. I asked several of my macfag friends on their opinion on no 3.5mm jack in the new iphone. All of them think its a good thing. None of them understand that they wont be able to use their own earphones, but they dont care.
I sometimes wonder if things like smartphones and other tech are merely fashion items for a lot of people. Nonetheless it makes me very sad
>>52609974 I didn't say that you said that. It's an industry trend which is why I brought up that this has been rumored for years. In order for phones to get thinner, whether it's iOS, Android, or WP, the 3.5 port has to go.
>>52609928 >>52609927 I don't think they are doing it to make it thinner. Let's be honest and accept the lighting plug is fucking gorgeous doesn't matter if is in an iPhone or whatever, same as the usb-c I bet the rest of the companies are going to implement it sooner or later. The 3.5mm is just unnecessary when you can send the audio over the data/charging port
>>52610050 3.5mm jack is analog, lightning is digital Both of them have their own purposes and they should not replace each other. Unless you want expensive peripherals
Analog is very simple, 3 wires come from the 3.5 jack, they go right into the earphone speakers
Now to accomplish the same through lightning, you need a DAC or digital to analog converter, then you will need to amplify the signals to make them hearable using an amplifier, and then the signals are finally fed into the speakers.
Do you really want to go through the extra steps without any reason? I mean audio is pretty simple, why make it more complex?
I promise you. If they nix the 3.5mm jack, we're seeing Earpod versions of these. Probably with Earhook options, so they're for "sporty, active individuals" Links up to your Apple Watch, iPhone, iPod, iPad, Macbook, Macbook Pro, iMac, or Mac Pro. Even connects to other Bluetooth 4.0 compatible devices (Android, Windows Phone, PCs) Link up to 5-10 Wireless Earpods for a private jam session. Charges via the Lightning port of your iPhone/iPad/iPod.
Now available for free with all new iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models, or $79.99 stand-alone.
99% chance of seeing these. Screencap me if you want.
Alternatively, 20% chance they introduce the next gen iPod shuffle as wireless earpods like these, or the Wireless Earpods will include 4/8GBs of memory to store playlists for running without your phone. 15% chance the Wireless Earpods include biometric sensors for heart-rate/blood-pressure/similar because of "The thinner tissue and better visibility of blood vessels in the cartilage of the ear! Look at these biometric products that use the same principal in a very different way from us, but we're juxtaposing alongside ours so you think the technology is good, sound, and already mature!"
>>52610108 >>52610122 As long as the include the headphones with the iPhone I am ok with that, but if they force people to buy them separately, I will seriously consider jump the boat not because I don't have money but for solidarity with the rest of the customers because that would be an incredible scam.
>>52610390 Yeah, but then you'd have to buy another pair of headphones. That's pretty retarded if you already own an expensive pair of headphones that you like. This is being done solely so Apple can screw idiots out of more money.
>>52610390 Yeah, and they'll either be shit and $300, or be insanely expensive for the performance. They have to get a DAC and amp in those things for this shit to work, which will just cost more, and no way any of these companies take a hit to their bottom lines to make it happen while keeping the prices the same as before.
>>52610527 It's likely some of those headphones will rely on external power source to amplify+drive the headphones, so we are likely to see wired headphones with battery packs in then to drive the amps or headphones that require an external adapter to power the amp
>>52610390 Nobody is going to play along with them, all the good audio brands are good at making either amps or headphones. They don't make amps so small that they fit inside headphones, if they do try we will see a lot of half assed shit quality audio gear
I can kinda see a reason for switching, the 3.5mm jack could be the only thing holding the phone back from getting even thinner. Mind you I really don't care about thickness anyway, I'd rather have a chunky phone that can last a week in battery life than a thin one that is thin for no reason bends in your pocket and won't last a day.
>>52610751 >which is great because analog headphones are an ancient technology and well-overdue to be replaced Yes because having another battery to charge on top of the reduced audio quality and battery life of your phone itself is much better than plugging in a pair of wired headphones.
>>52610751 Well technically audio hasn't been analog every since the vinyl days, so we're not going from analog to digital here, were just going from using a plain old 3.5mm jack to using an extra DAC for no fucking reason at all
>>52610791 >>52610805 Bluetooth earphones that equal the quality of traditional headphones have existed for a while, and without annoying cord. Apple have a long history of betting against old/outdated technologies and winning and I figure this will probably be the same thing over again.
Every time they remove something earlier than everyone else - optical drive, floppy drive, SCSI ports, parallel ports, serial ports, etc - everyone screams for a few months, and wonders how they'll possibly live without this thing that Apple has cruelly removed, and then years later everyone wonders what the fuck they were thinking. This should be no different.
>>52610830 Pic related, BT headphones that are extremely high-fidelity. With Apple's gargantuan supply chain and stranglehold over the entire Chinese manufacturing industry, I'm sure they can bring the price down massively and find room in the 60% profit margin of each iPhone to include something similar.
it's essentially separating the user from more of their hard earned money for more accessories to go with their phones. those earpod things must have bombed hard.
>>52610830 >Bluetooth earphones that equal the quality of traditional headphones have existed for a while, and without annoying cord.
yeah, they exist but are more expensive that the equivalent traditional headphones... then there will be the issue of pairing bluetooth headphones with multiple devices, e.g. your phone and your other computers and tablets.
>>52610818 This you retards, why the fuck would you want to strap on an extra DAC, that too in the earphones? Earphones are supposed to be solid devices with just the speakers, what purpose would it serve to make them overly complicated? Let's face it, 3.5mm jack was never the problem, nobody ever wanted it to go, nobody ever thought "man my phone is so thick just because of this little circle". It was always about Apple trying to be special fucking snowflakes, but this time what they're doing is absolutely redundant, it serves no purpose, no audio quality gain at all, if anything it might even diminish the quality. As far as Bluetooth headphones go, the bandwidth simply isn't enough. I know the theoretical max transfer speed is 25Mbps, but in practice its always less than 1Mbps, and that isn't enough to deliver high quality audio. What can you really expect from wireless headphones who's 80% of the firmware is battery optimization?
>>52610960 Oh well, making BT headphones the default choice should provide the impetus for headphone companies to invest more in bringing the audio quality to parity. And 99% of people are listening to 128kbps MP3s anyway, and I doubt most neckbeards could tell double-blinded between high-quality BT audio quality and wired 320kbps, so not like it makes a difference.
>>52609187 So that you buy an expensive pair of headphones that don't work with anything except the latest apple device. They lock you into the apple ecosystem and literally make other producers get forced into making lightning ports for their own devices or miss out on a large segment of the market. Although switching to digital outputs isn't necessarily a bad thing.
>>52611013 The entire last 5 years of technology has been about removing wires, if you don't like it, you can be a backwards looking curmudgeon and buy your $20 adapter. They have to make the leap to wireless at some point, and now is as good a time as any. If there's suddenly millions of active BT headphone listeners, headphone companies will devote way more R&D to wireless, and a few years after that wired headphones will probably look archaic and silly
>>52610988 Most people would be able to tell the difference between 320kbps and Bluetooth audio. Bluetooth audio is digitally compressed before being sent over to the earphones, which causes the huge quality loss.
>>52610984 >The 6s only just got faster than the nexus 5. Clarification, please. Are you asserting that the iPhone lags *MORE* than the Nexus5? Or are you saying that Apple's 2-core A9 is as fast as the octocore Briggs and Stratton in the Nexus?
>>52611004 I'm not that anon, but what difference does that make?
That comparison was in response to an argument that "the iphone 6 was far better than any android". It proved the point wrong. Simple as that. Whether the average user would notice or not was irrelevant, as it was not the post you replied to that made any claim of that kind.
>>52611061 >The entire last 5 years of technology has been about removing wires Yes, some of it's been good and some's been bad. This is bad. >if you don't like it, you can be a backwards looking curmudgeon and buy your $20 adapter I already use an adapter to listen to music on my device that has a headphone jack >They have to make the leap to wireless at some point, and now is as good a time as any. Yes, now, the time of shit wireless audio and shit battery tech, is a great time to make the switch to wireless headphones.
>>52610951 >It was always about Apple trying to be special fucking snowflakes, Yeah. Like when they ditched floppy drives. Or serial ports. Or optical media. Nobody else followed them up that dead-end, did they?
>>52610951 >As far as Bluetooth headphones go, the bandwidth simply isn't enough. And, like USB, hard drives and ethernet, it'll never improve. Certainly, unless someone creates a need for it to improve, like high quaity audio, it'll stay the same.
>>52611108 Apple dropped floppies, serial and optical shit at a time where most had already anyway. I can't remember anyone using serial ports in 1998. I can't remember many people using optical drives in 2009 either. It was already dead. Anyone that was using that shit when apple dropped it, probably still uses it now. Hardly revolutionary on their part.
They didn't influence the technologies demise, they just saw it as an opertunity to save some dosh in manufacturing.
This time though, apple is ahead of the curve for real.
>>52611219 Disruptive tech can be seen miles ahead Everyone knows serial was finished when USB came out How could have serial have survived against USB, something so much more superior? It's the same when all other technology. Apple just saw the trend coming, no not even that, they just complied to the trend first, everyone knew what was happening
>>52610960 How good is bluetooth quality then compared to wired speakers quality? I enjoy high quality audio but I don't like jumping through the hoops just to squeeze every drop of it by using cables, so for the sake of comfort I'm all for settling for 128kbps mp3 quality as long as Bluetooth connectivity is not interrupted and the built-in battery lasts for a relatively long time.
>>52611286 They're an upgrade in a very specific circumstance - mobile devices. You're regularly charging your mobile device anyway, your device is guaranteed to have bluetooth, and the device usually costs so much that the cost of decent BT earphones seems small by comparison. Of course it doesn't make sense for the average /g/ user sitting at home at a desk, but for anyone using a mobile device in an actually 'mobile' setting, like running or working out at the gym, BT earphones are a big upgrade.
>>52611277 >everyone knew what was happening This kind of rewriting history annoys me. There's a huge amount of naysaying that goes on whenever Apple jumps the market and removes a technology early. The butthurt when floppy drives were replaced with CD-Rs was massive. And then everyone who said it was a bad decision, when proven wrong years later, pretends like they always knew it was inevitable. It's shitty behaviour. /g/ is practically naysaying central, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
>>52611356 I've spent a lot of time listening while on the move, and never have my wired earphones been an inconvenience. Having yet another fucking device where I have to worry about keeping the battery charged would be a much greater inconvenience.
>>52611440 I've bought cheap bluetooth headphones and they sounded better than similar priced non Bluetooth headphones. That being said, for an extra 15 dollars I could get much better Sony headphones that would sound better and have better build quality. The Bluetooth ones died after 7 months, now I'm waiting to see how long my Sony headphones last.
>more expensive for less quality True, but your average consumer doesn't care. I work in electronics department of a big supermarket. People buy wired headphones/IEMs for less than a dollar! The audio quality is atrocious but people don't mind because it's cheap. So if they bought BT they wouldn't give a rats ass about quality. All they would care about is the wireless feature.
Any conscious consumer with a half a brain buying BT knows he's sacrificing quality for mobility on a tight budget. If money is no concern you can always buy the expensive stuff. >needs to be regularly charged A point for you, but I would argue that's not a problem. People in general are already accustomed to charging their phone every day or every two days. One more device won't make a difference; especially if it charges quickly. >won't work with anything that doesn't have bluetooth Agreed, but again. If you're buying BT headphones you're buying them for BT devices you own; your phone or laptop. So you're not concerned with using your BT headphones with other (not yours) devices. For those special occassions you can always buy a cheap pair of wired ones.
I'm all for a audio BT headphones revolution. The more popular they get the more products we'll get and with that the tech will advance thus dealing with their limitations. Apple has a huge and loyal customer base. If they make this happen those customers will be the driving force for a global push for BT headphones.
>>52611500 Of course they were shit. But there was thermonuclear outrage from people who didn't even buy Apple products that someone would dare remove the defacto standard of transfer between computers. And hey presto years later, USB and CD-Rs are the standard. And then a few years later writeable optical is dying. And then a few years later today, when half of new computers don't even have optical drives.
I guess I'm trying to say - if manufacturers are considering dropping the 3.5mm jack, maybe there's a good reason for it, and maybe like the other 400 times this happened in the past, they know better than Johnny Opinionated Idiot Tech Enthusiast about what the future holds for consumer audio interfaces. And yes, you're probably completely right about XP.
>>52611538 >and maybe like the other 400 times this happened in the past, they know better than Johnny Opinionated Idiot Tech Enthusiast about what the future holds for consumer audio interfaces.
That and they'd like you sell you some new headphones that now have a battery that will only last a few years. Accelerating the cycle of obsolescence when the current tech is better in every way aside from needing to be tethered to the device.
>>52611559 Thunderbolt is also fantastic for docking laptops, one cable to dock with a monitor, ethernet and multiple USB and PCI-E devices is crazy good. There must be some restrictive licensing issue or something because I can't understand why other brands haven't adopted it
>>52611591 XP long-term support ended 2 years ago, so security holes major or minor are no longer fixed and anyone using it and accessing the internet basically doesn't care if their computer gets infested with shitware.
>>52611616 I just wish Apple would throw a Thunderbolt connector on the bottom of the MacBooks. They love throwing ports in weird places, and it'd enable real docks to be used for MacBooks. It's the only reason I won't buy a MacBook now
>>52611638 >Guess that's why 99.99% of keyboards and mice are still wired. Yes, because laptops doesn't need their keyboards and mice to be wireless, although I might just be giving the Apple Engineers some stupid ideas for their next MacBook Vacuum edition.
>>52611641 i would've said that a plug on the bottom of the device would be retarded but apple went and did it so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i plug my laptop into a thunderbolt ethernet adapter and that hooks my rMBP to my hackintosh, which has a few 4k monitors, peripherals, etc... that i can all control from my laptop with Synergy. I can also control the "other way" (with my hackintosh's keyboard/mouse) if i want.
it's also convenient that if i need to do a reboot i actually don't lose the entire workspace - just whichever needs to go down for a bit (not that it's that big an issue; i just hate a complete interruption like that).
>>52610960 >Bluetooth audio is far better than it used to but is still not as good as not using Bluetooth That is irrelevant. What matters is whether it accomplishes the job most consumers want it to do. Something that satisfactory gets the job done regardless of actual quality is what pretty much always wins when it comes to consumer goods.
>>52611694 The person I'm responding to made the claim that 99.9% of kb/mice are wired which is just factually wrong. I'm not claiming wireless is widespread, no reason why it shouldn't be though, wireless kb/mice work perfectly.
>there are people in this very thread defending apple
You drones disgust me. Why the fuck do you consider a good idea to remove 3.5mm port? What's wrong with it? How the hell making a proprietary port, which will make the devices not only more expensive, but brings no quality advantage is a good idea when EVERY wired headset, headphone or in-ear phones use 3.5? Why kill something that it's good and there is no fucking reason to change it for some shitty port?
>>52611747 >You drones disgust me. Why the fuck do you consider a good idea to remove 3.5mm port? What's wrong with it? How the hell making a proprietary port, which will make the devices not only more expensive, but brings no quality advantage is a good idea when EVERY wired headset, headphone or in-ear phones use 3.5? Why kill something that it's good and there is no fucking reason to change it for some shitty port? WAAA, WAAA, I hate progress, WAAA! That's how you sound.
Because I want headsets to be wireless. Wired speakers are the equivelant of wired lightsabers. Wireless are the lightsabers we all know.
I have never plugged a pair of headphones into my 6S, but even so, this still stop me from upgrading to another one. Most of apples shady decisions do kind of make sense from some kind of perspective. This just doesn't, that makes it a bad move on all its whole market.
>>52611929 Superior quality, inferior portability. If I actually wanted to be 10ft away from the player I'd rather use bluetooth than a wire. Chances are I'd be doing something that would be polluting the sound anyway.
>>52612245 There are things that can hold phones back. Removable battery for example, was used by a super tiny margin of people and was holding battery tech back. The audio port is holding the iPhone back right now. And considering the amount of niggers I see on the bus who listen to their 96kbps mix tapes on speaker, probably not many use it.
I don't think they'd ever sell an iPhone without earphones, so if they removed the 3.5mm there's a few things that could happen
1. Sell the phone without 3.5mm or headphones (won't happen) 2. Sell the phone without 3.5mm and include normal headphones and a lightning to 3.5mm adapter 3. Sell the phone without 3.5mm and include Bluetooth headphones. 4. Sell the phone without 3.5mm and include earphones with a lightning connector
Remember, Apple constantly jerks off to music and keeps pushing the musicians use iPhone meme as well as pushing Apple Music. They would never released an iPhone that you can't use for music right out of the box
>>52612459 Headphones don't get outdated; a good pair of headphones is a good pair of headphones. A smartphone on the otherhand becomes outdated shortly after its release, and most people update regularly (every two years, if not less)
>>52612499 Phones don't have enough new features to warrant buying them that often. >>52612532 Oh alright so long as one can do that it's not a big issue sure is a big hassle though. >>52612484 Well I have never actully bought a phone they are company provided but I am glad mine supports 3.5 mm heh. People need to stop buying phones every couple of years so cell phone companies can stop stripping features putting a marginally better processor and slightly better camera and making 600 dollars off people
>>52612532 >but its difficult Some phones with non removable battery have a battery that is easily serviceable. But some phones can only be opened by removing the display, the motherboard and much much glue (htc one m8 for example)
As an average user it's more likely to break something(for some phones its pretty easy tho since the back is still removable by removing a few screws and nothing is glued in)
>>52612641 Okay here it goes: what can the galaxy s6 can do that then 4 can't. And what can the apple 6 do that the 4 can't and is that worth the price of a new phone. I am open to the idea I work with fiber optics not phones.
>>52612648 We're all smart consumers on here. If something is important to you in a phone, you should make sure it's available. Buying a phone with an extremely difficult battery removal process, when replacing batteries is important to you, can only be blamed on you.
>>52612716 It should goes without saying that a BlackBerry Q10 can be considered an upgrade from the Android Dev Phone 1. If you want to go into specifics you're free to look up the two models and do some comparisons of your own.
>>52609377 >This decision however affects a wider range of people, pretty much everyone uses their smartphone as a PMP or otherwise needs headphones for their device Won't affect people who don't care about "muh sound quality", though. Noticing a pattern here?
>more expensive headphones >more waste coming from irresponsible users due to the disposal of perfectly good DACs from broken headphones >adding another battery to be worried about throughout the day >Adding another point of failure in your headphones >won't be able to connect properly anyways due to all the bluetooth noise coming from all the other dumbfucks using bluetooth audio how is this better than a 3.5mm audio jack?
>>52613106 Yes, in that post you said that it was battery tech that was being held back. Now you did a complete 180 and said it was holding phones back. I'd like to see what type of gymnastics you would come up with this.
Apple has enough people locked on the market because iPhone is considered to be the device for people with high social status, especially among poor people who gauge shit by blue and green bubbles because they're too poor to afford unlimited texting, but somehow rich enough to afford an iPhone and a monthly pair of Jordans. They can do this headphone jack switch and nothing will go wrong. In fact, it's just going to make the other phone makers follow along. Not to mention a good amount of people are just using Bluetooth anyway, so it's not like it even matters.
>>52609187 Because Apple now owns Beats by Dre. If they switch the headphone jack, all the kids are going to tell their parents to go buy them new sets of Beats headphones because the old ones are no longer compatible with the new iPhone. It's pretty fucking smart. Evil, but smart.
>>52609145 2015 and 2016 are shaping up to be some of the worst years for product design i have ever lived through, First android lolipop turning android into a crayon box then Microshit releasing spydows 10 and now Apple wants to make you buy new proprietary headphones.
>>52614161 2013 was the last good year for phones because of the snapdragon 800/Nexus 5.
Now we have the mtk6752 but no one wants to use mediatek so phones are stagnated.
Windows 10 is a polished piece of shit.
Lollipop was okay, but kitkat+art was better.
IPhone fell to shit with the iPhone 6.
3.5gb/128 bit and rebrandeon.
1 port macbook
Since 2013 it's just been going downhill. Only reason I upgraded from Nexus 5 was the battery just wasn't holding a charge properly.
I remember when we had real innovation and new technology. Despite everything being faster and more efficient now, I miss those times. The technology industry had a real drive to push out new ideas that were different.
Now instead of trying to stand out their trying to rip off each others ideas and customers. New designs are dead.
>>52615321 This. I have absolutely no reason to (nor care to) defend Apple, I just do because I have some of their devices at hand, know enough to defend them, and love watching how upset you retards get over the smallest and most irrelevant things
>>52609196 Makes it easier to make a waterproof device me thinks. For the missing plug, well it's not like I have 20 different headphones. Once I get the adapter, I'm good.
>>52609307 Funny how Apple makes more money in a quarter than Google makes in forever... http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/21/10810834/android-generated-31-billion-revenue-google-oracle Bottom third paragraph
>>52615321 >>52615364 it's too easy when zealots get so worked up that they paint themselves into a corner that demands they be absolutist about what they say (e.g. saying there's absolutely nothing good about X or Y, which is easy to refute because even the smallest redeeming quality sends them into an autistic fit).
most customers don't have strong opinions about their headphones. if apple can make wireless headphones work without an awkward pairing process, people will gladly give up their regular jacks. if the plug "only" works with their iphone, at least 80% of consumers definitely won't care in real life. of those that remain, half will complain just because it represents something they don't like, and half will complain because they genuinely want to use their regular headphones with their iPhone.
Apple already lost me at least. I hopped on the fag train with the 3GS, which I still regard an excellent phone. I should've just kept using it til it broke, because up until 2011 it didn't have a single flaw aside its limited memory.
I had an Android phone in between, but the time wasn't ready for Android. I was so disappointed with it, that I bought an iPhone 5. I wanted it so bad, that I got the poorfag 16gb model that I regretted later on, because the 32 was sold out everywhere and the 64 was too expensive. It was a good phone and did what it supposed to do until christmas. By then it was quite frankly outdated, even though it functioned fine, its battery was worn. It did run every task smoothly, which was to its credit, but maybe more about the OS it used, iOS is made so it's very light on resources and doesn't lag no matter what. This is what Android got so wrong for a long time.
Why I didn't get a new iPhone was Apple taking the cloud bloat route instead of keeping it simple, the reason why iOS originally worked so well. The music player was made to search for online content before accessing local content. I got incredibly frustrated with it before they fixed it, but even after it didn't work well enough, it certainly was gimped.
iPhones are astronomically expensive now and you don't get exceptional anything anymore. Smooth menu transitions aren't a sales point anymore now that Android phones have enough power to run smoothly. I guess the OS has come a long way too.
Now the iPhone has nothing to offer me. Locked OS that's getting progressively worse, stupid price tag and gimped features (like NFC disabled except for iPay or whatever bullshit name it has). I'm a happy Nexus 5X owner. This phone is thinner than an iPhone but costs like under half of what a 6S would be. And as far as I could tell, it's certainly not 50% better.
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