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4chan now uses Microsoft PhotoDNA to automate detection and reporting of child porn.

Do you feel safer now that Microsoft's algos are protecting you from accidentally seeing child porn images while browsing 4chan?
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Yes now if they'd ban lolicon
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>>52608556
Ssshno senpai. No.
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The so called children had sex more than us.
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>>52608989
my nigga
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>>52608946
This
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>>52608989
what a shit integration
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>>52608498
doesn't work like that.
You need to upload it to OneDrive. And image needs to be hashed beforehand.
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>>52608989
lmao
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>>52609097
PhotoDNA does "perceptual hashing" on pedo images uploaded to OneDrive, Hotmail, Facebook, and several other major properties.

FBI and other law enforcement agencies also feed it images they seized from pedo's hard drives, crawled from dark web, etc.
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>>52608498
While on the topic of CP,

Maybe its time to update the laws regarding it.

people should be treated differently if they have images of say 16/17yos as opposed to having pics of under 12s

I think there should be a distinction in the law in regards to that, also a way for these people to seek treatment anonymously or something along those lines.
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>>52608989
Thats a big cock.
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>>52609161
>people should be treated differently if they have images of say 16/17yos as opposed to having pics of under 12s

This is reasonable, but CP is such a sensitive topic right now, anything that can be seen as easing punishment for pedos is a political suicide.

Judges and prosecutors generally use discretion, and will sentence the perp to the lower end of the rance, but you're still prosecuted as a pedo, not a hebe.
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>>52609146
couldn't you just change a pixel in the image and the whole hash updates? or do they do some kind of recognition?
if so, isn't having the data to like millions of pictures of cp illegal as fuck?
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>>52608498
>implying that photoDNA protection is bad
In fact is good. Automatizes a very troublesome task.
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>>52609201
No, it's a more sophisticated recognition system. Change a pixel will not do any shit to fool photoDNA.
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>>52609225
right, so isn't it illegal for microsoft to be recognizing all this child porn? wouldn't they have to have it somewhere?
bill gates confirmed for biggest paedophile ever
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>>52609201
That will fuck up traditional file checksum hashing like the one 4chan uses for duplicate image, but PhotoDNA uses much more sophisticated algorithms that can't be defeated by cropping, adjusting color, distorting, or applying filters.
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>>52609236
>implying its michaelsoft and not the gubmint
cant arrest a government
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>>52609236
>I don't know how law works
Programs can't violate laws.
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>>52609201
plus they store hashes, not necessarily the images themselves.
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>>52609236
the point is the botnet does it so no human has to
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>>52609236
they might be archiving it as raw decoded bytes in an encrypted automated environment or something like that.
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>>52609200
yeah people love the punish others, until they realize it doesn't work and its very costly keeping people in jail and clogs up the courts.

With all the resources being spent on finding these people and tracking them down, maybe some could be diverted into programs that would help them before they go down a more terrible path.

its a mental illness but the way we react and treat these people is as if they do it by choice.

And this issue is poltical kryptonite, no one is going to do anything to make any laws more lax about it because "think of the children!", meanwhile its the children sending nude pictures to each other and then getting caught up in these really stupid laws there were created.

I am all for a reasonable balance, not some lop sided approach of simply arresting everyone.
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>>52609278
>>52609275
>>52609273
>>52609268
>>52609261
>>52609249
so many (you)s

if any one of you is curious, herei s how they do it
https://news.microsoft.com/download/presskits/photodna/docs/photodnafs.pdf
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>>52609236
They probably programmed it and tested with common stock images and then left to the FBI to do the dirty work of hashing the Chesse Pizza.
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>>52608498
So, how do we use this tool to help us search for more CP?
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>>52609236
i'm sure they are under some legal obligation to report it.

Did they have to implement photoDNA ? who knows.

There was a story recently where the FBI busted a CP website and then kept it running in order to catch more perps, what are the moral and legal implementations of that ?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/21/fbi-ran-website-sharing-thousands-child-porn-images/79108346/
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>>52609321
Yep.
Ignoring all the fuss, photoDNA in practice is for automating the elimination and report and avoid the unwanted things that follows handling these type of images.
Honeypots are another league.
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>>52609345
but everyone uses microsoft OSes and all their link services are also part of the botnet.
How long till the integrate this into windows 10 telemetry?
Good luck pedophiles, the feds are already on their way.
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>>52609368
As long as you can imagine under your tinfoil hat.
>pedos storing CP in windows computers
They're not stupid.
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>>52609321
Wow, that story disgusts me.
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>>52609368
feels good to use linux
despite not being a pedo, this stuff can't be jammed under my nose
someone is bound to notice it, and i can just choose to use a different package
remember to move to linux boys
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>>52609386
They kind of are.

Have you seen the pedophiles that get caught?
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>>52609389
Report this pedo
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>>52609393
Yeah. Usually they're caught because they commited mistakes or are part of big rings who become more and more weak when these rings grows.
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>>52609389
>linux automatically will protect me
Nah, they could fool you easily without linux or with linux.
Also, photoDNA isn't in windows, but runs as a userspace application in server environment.
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>>52609437
never said that, read the post i replied to properly
i'm telling you that slipping photodna into any linux distro would never fly in the community
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>>52609454
And so? It's completely irrelevant to talk of the "community" and photoDNA. PhotoDNA isn't distributed widely to begin, it has to be solicited to the FBI or Microsoft to begin.
Why the fuck freetards like to mention their pirated UNIX even when doesn't matter?
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>>52609480
because, if you don't want to be molested by microsoft's fun "cloud services" which will literally analyse your files for things they don't like and you still want decent application support linux is your only option :^)
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>>52609161
how are they supposed to prove that a 16/17 yo is under 18 though
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>>52608989
Looks like someone got baited real hard
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>>52609498
You can simply don't use the cloud services of microsoft.
>decent application support
Where? The last time I tried to use linux, outside of programming related shit, linux still hasn't good software support.
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>>52609504
People rarely get arrested for that.
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Does that mean MS has a huge database full of CP?
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>>52609515
>don't use cloud services of Microsoft
Microsoft owns more servers than Amazon. You might as well stop using the internet.
>If I don't use cloud it means that other companies aren't going to
toppest kekest.
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>>52608498

links pls or GTFO
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>>52609521
No. MS only developed the analysis engine. The hashes of the images are in possesion of a third party authorized to handle these images.
>>52609526
>using the cloud
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So how long before they start removing things that they don't want us to see? R.I.P freedom. Although getting rid of CP is a great thing.
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>>52609541
> A third party authorized to have CP
How would one get certified as such third parties?
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>>52609541
It's being deployed at server level dumbshit.
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>>52609546
I'm all for attempting to wipe CP from the face of the Earth.

But you know that is never the governments true goal. It's just the one way they found to tug at people's heartstrings. The article from usatoday above proves that. They don't care about children.
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>>52609541
>The hashes of the images are in possesion of a third party authorized to handle these images.

That third party? The FBI Pro Pedophiles Division. Their authorization? "We're allowed to. Mmmmmmm..."
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>>52609549
With the marvels of bureaucracy.
>>52609556
>I didn't read anything
Okey, broh.
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>>52609504
same way the state must prove a person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Realistically speaking there is a good chance people here/on the internet have seen CP, not of 12yos but more than likely of 16/17 girls.


All I am saying is that laws need to catch up to reality, maybe even lower the age at which people can be nude (16+ ?)
or create a new category of laws regarding it, ones that apply to teen age children and separate laws for children under 13.
I don't have the perfect solution, but I would really like to open the dialogue on the issue so the laws can be fixed so there are less miscarriages of justice and the punishment will more appropriately fit the crime.
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>>52608498
So will it be able to detect original images or only images in the FBI database? If the former, how does it do that? What if its just a young looking 18 year old?
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>storing pizza unencrypted on onedrive

hahaha are pedophiles really this retarded
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>>52609576
The hashes are created with images who the FBI knows beyond doubt that are CP and not some kind of skinny womanlet.
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>>52609565
Probably the NCMEC.
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>>52609586
The interesting thing is that the website claims imaged can be detected even if they have been altered
I wonder to what degree can images be altered before they stop being detected
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>>52609570
16+ (maybe even 15+) shouldn't be classified as child porn, it should called what it is, teenage porn. Your not a child at that age, you're sexually mature.

And so it shouldn't be illegal for one teenager to have naked pics of another teenager. Something like how the age of consent is 16 in most places, so should the age of nude pictues.
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>>52609618
I think it's funny how some malicious teenagers could send pics of their dicks/tits/vagina to someone and get themselves and the other people arrested.

I want it to remain illegal, actually. Maybe people will think twice about taking nude pics and regretting it later.
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>>52608498
I hope this gets extended to pictures of Drake in OPs as well.
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>>52609618
I've known of girls as young as 10 or 11 menstruating and developing breasts. They're sexually mature according to your assbackwards definition
You need to draw a line and stick to it or else we'll get more pedos like you attempting to bring it further down.
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>>52609638
> hating on drakeposting
hamsterposting is the only true cancer desu senpai
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>>52609610
I don't know. Probably you will have to distort them a lot if you want to fool photoDNA.
Perhaps you can distribute them with some kind of destruction and reconstruction, but that's beyond the scope of photoDNA. I always say that the purpose of that app is only for safely automatize the handling of deleting and report of Captain Planet. For protect the owners of the servers and services more than anything.
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>>52609642
What? No they're not you retard, key word "developing" in your post.

And I did draw a line, 16.
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>52608989
Calling bullshit on her being underage.
This is /g/, it'd get deleted anyway.
It not being instant shows this isn't CP.
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>>52609698
This brings us to the argument above, really.

No one can really tell. What matters is that it's deleted since it's a blue board.
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>>52609610
They use perceptual hashing (e.g. pHash) for fast matching and neural network for more accurate, but slower matching.

It's pretty hard to defeat it reliably.
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>>52609636
When is the first politician getting jailed for cp because some 12 old got frustrated with what they're doing and starts sending them cp of themselves and then reporting it to police.

I see a business opportunity here. Send cp and the feds after your mortal enemies. Guaranteed money back if their life isn't complitely ruined.
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I feel like they're going to use this for "stolen" content in the future so the US's insane, borderline unconstitutional IP laws will actually start to be enforceable

I wouldn't have a problem if it only applied to "science and the useful arts", or even if dumb greedy fucks like sony and disney stopped extending the duration of the "limited times". At one point, copyright was actually a reasonable compromise between profit and freedom that didn't put a narrow subset of professions in a social class bordering on royalty.

The fact that you're all giving a fuck about some pedo's porn collection is kind of sad. The united states is enforcing the death of free culture worldwide and microsoft is looking to become a tool of that enforcement.
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>>52609808
You don't think Facebook, Google, and Yahoo!/Tumblr aren't already prepping the system for IP violation filtering under pressure from major copyright holders?
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>>52609829
I don't "think", I've accepted it as inevitable fact. Luckily, those are shitty websites, not an OS that enforces its own popularity via education, OEM deals/conspiring (microsoft requires that ARM devices be locked, period, because they know other OSes can still beat their software selection there), and incompatibility.

You can escape the web but you can't escape windows

First, photoDNA is for their cloud service. Next, they take advantage of more powerful hardware to do regular system hashes to detect local "counterfeit" data and "malware".
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>>52608498
on related CP news..

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38235604&nid=148

>The proposal would require computer technicians to report child pornography to law enforcement or a federal cyber tip line if they encounter the material, but they would not be required to go searching for it. If they find it and don't report it, they could be given up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

so now everyone that works with computers/other peoples files/data could now be liable for this shit in that state..

>what do you mean you didn't notice he had hundreds of images ?
>You were asked to diagnose his PC and replaced a faulty component and now you claim to have not known about the images ?
>off to jail you go, you pedo enabler
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>>52609956
This is only in Idaho.
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>>52609956
>computer technicians are now required to comb your PC for illegal data as a liability issue

>Mostly CP, we swear -government PR
>but remember, also copyrighted media, the HDCP master keys, software cracks, torrented anime.... -lobbyists
>and if you can get an obscenity case on some ungodly degenerate, good on you -jewchristian right-wing conservatives
>don't worry about us, we already know what's on there -NSA
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>>52608498
my poor virgin eyes are finally safe
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>>52609201
you can change the image in a way it doesnt visually appear different, but makes the software not able to recognize it or even compare it to the original one.
neural networks arent that smart
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>>52609368
who the fucks watches/downloads cp on windows anyways
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Does that go for videos too though?
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>>52610396
Why would you want to? Just stop looking at cp you fucking perv
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WHY IS EVERYTHING IN ITALICS WHAT THE FUCK NIGGER
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>>52610454
>why would you want to
but I wouldn't, Im just saying it's possible.
Also CP isn't the only thing this can be used against, so it's still useful information
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>>52610500
Then you have nothing to worry about. These technologies help us catch really really bad people, they don't deserve your sympathy, so stop trying to help them.
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>>52610396
this software was literally designed to still recognize photos after small tweaks like this
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>>52610532
I dont give a shit what this is used for and a what your moral beliefs are
If youre going to spread information about something , then do ut properly
This isnt some skynet shit that will suddenly get rid of all the CP on the intetnet
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>>52608556
>he wants lines on paper to be banned
>he's no better than islamofascists who kill when someone draws a smiley and writes muhammed next to it
Sic semper tyrannis. Death to fascists.
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>>52610574
if it uses neural neutworks(which is a high possibility given the problem) then I guess they made a breakthrough with it's development, in case your statement is true
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>yes, lets spend billions of dollars trying to catch internet pedophiles and not actual child rapists
>oh, yeah, there's also those terrorists that we need to catch, here, lets spend billions on mass surveillance because terrorists DUDE, WEEED
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>>52610532
>really really bad people
Most people it catches are just CP possessors, bad people are CP manufacturers.
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>>52610609
>he wants digital pictures stored on hard drives to be banned
>he's no better than ISIS
Ditto antipedo
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>>52610655
They're both sick and need help
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>>52609161
16/17 is legal where I live.
Not sure if it's legal to take pictures of though (I'd assume so if it's legal to fuck).
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>>52610684
But the thing is one group are not criminals.
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>>52609647
nice reddit meme
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There's literally nothing wrong with PhotoDNA.
All it does is scan servers for image hashes that match a database for known CP images.
It doesn't hurt us at all.
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>>52609236
they wouldn't do it if they weren't paid
and who has legal access to tons of cp, a lot of money and the right to arrest pedos?
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>>52610684
I think you need help to refrain yourself from shitposting
go back to /v/

>>52610786
>what are hash collisions
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>>52610823
>>what are hash collisions
probably very unlikely and won't ever occur due to how photodna is designed

if they do occur, it'll take all of 1 second for somebody to determine that the picture of your dog is not CP
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>>52611031
yes, very innovative
especially on a site that already has a report system and enough people who are more than happy to use it
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>>52610638
Feds like it because it's easy and while it doesn't actually reduce child sexual abuse. It makes a good headline and ensures future funding.
Notice the flat line of child abuse prosecutions.
VS the ballooning CP prosecutions.
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you can by pass that you know
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Im kind of split on the issue. I think cp is disgusting and those responsible should be prosecuted, but on the other hand I think this is basically just fear mongering. I think this is probably a case of using our emotions to blindly accept new tech in our laws/legal system.
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>>52609161
Or yknow, possessing jpegs of people you didn't create could not be a prosecutable offence.
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>>52609282

Pedo detected
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Nobody should have the ability to unilaterally censor the internet, no matter how foul whatever they try to censor is. Things like pizza should be discussed and confronted publicly, not as a shady deal between some megga corp and an unlisted government agency.

>>52613411
Fuckheads like you will be second in line to the ministry of love, right after everyone you immolate.
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>>52609161
Pedophilia should be treated as a mental disease, not a crime.

Actually raping or molesting a minor is a whole different story.
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>>52608498
[citation needed]
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