Do you think that with the advances in integrated graphics on CPUs, the physical graphics card may soon suffer the same fate as the sound card?
They're getting much more powerful than the shitty integrated graphics set ups of the mid 00s, and the moment they can comfortably play beefy games in 1080p is the moment that 'entry level' graphics cards are completely redundant.
Nah. Not any time soon. Eventually in the future (50+ years) yes.
Why? Sound processing is a solved problem. Once you hit 48KHz there's just nothing else to do. Once we hit enough transistors to sort that out, sound processing is about tweaks rather than raw processing power.
GPUs are not the same. They still benefit from being larger and more power hungry, massively so.
Beefy games will always be beefy to GPUs rather than integrated graphics, since they will be using the top of what's available to look better.
Unless you think 'graphics' is a solved problem with real time rendering of photo realistic graphics, of course.
>Do you think that with the advances in integrated graphics on CPUs, the physical graphics card may soon suffer the same fate as the sound card?
Yes. Graphics cards are going the way of the graphics accelerator.
But so are CPUs.
Intel has no plans of making naked CPUs after 2020. It's all going to be SoC APUs from there on out baby.
Intel already said it. Desktop PCs are DONE. El finito.
Every year 15% of the IT sector moves to laptops. In 5 years PCs will be a memory of the past.
They already are dead as far as the industry is concerned.
>Intel said they'll downsize their desktop division by half
>AMD hanging on by a thread, mostly by it's console chip sales
There's nothing more productive than a full desktop PC with a keyboard and a mouse. You can't do anything productive on a tablet or phone, and you can only be mildly productive on a tablet.
And that is why the personal computer is dead for sure.
The personal space has moved on to more efficient formats. What you're thinking of is a professional workstation format. Sure that will outlive the PC, but considering it's PROGRADE with the cost on par, don't expect it in every home. Heck PCs are already a rarity now.
nope. graphics are constantly improving and becoming more demanding. resolutions are getting larger.
IGP won't even get close to being able to run current titles (current = current when that IGP is released).
They won't be as popular, but they'll stick around for a while. They're cheap, great for school, public libraries, and animation and CAD need workstations. Plus people who play games prefer them for upgradability. But for the average Joe who needs to do office work, go on websites, and maybe code, the desktop is dead, and has been for a few years.
Also extremely niche uses, where the computers are mission critical, and can't be moved. IE: Power Plants, Large Hadron Collider, and other research/scientific uses, especially ones that need addon cards.
>They won't be as popular, but they'll stick around for a while. They're cheap, great for school, public libraries,
A 80$ tablet is cheaper.
>and animation and CAD need workstations
For a short while more.
I like how /g/ is shutting their eyes at the obvious and quite extremely push towards THE CLOUD every big player in the industry is making.
Forget stations, we're going full circle back to the age of the terminal.
>Plus people who play games prefer them for upgradability.
Most gamers game on consoles.
When the cloud comes in full force soon it will make most gaming rigs meaningless. The gaming industry WANTS it with a passion. It will kill piracy for one.
And as for the "but what about the people with a shit connection" - do you think the industry cares? Third worlders don't pay for games anyway.
>A $80 tablet is cheaper.
You can't steal a desktop from a public library desk like you can a tablet. Plus, when the public/students fuck it up, you can just get another cheap mouse/keyboard/monitor from the back or goodwill, but you can't just pay another screen or volume button and just plug it in. Especially when you're paying a third party company to fix it.
I was talking of desktops in general, not only for personal uses. Yes, the average Joe isn't going to need a desktop, and hasn't for the past two years considering you can get a HP Stream 11, or a cheap used laptop online, a tablet, or just use your phone as your only way online (if you really, really hate yourself.)
That would be wonderful, but considering they're improving faster than the CPUs, I don't think it will happen anytime soon. Sounds cards were pretty stagnant long before they became irrelevant.
One last thing. Many people (including me, and many of you on this board) enjoy having the ability to easily upgrade/repair your PC. It's kind of nice when my CPU isn't soldered to the fucking MOBO.
People steal CD's and games from my local fucking goodwill enough for them to constitute keeping the CD's behind the counter, if people are willing to steal a 10 year old $1 item from a thrift store, what makes you think they wouldn't steal a new $80 tablet? People will steal anything. Humans suck.
Do people here really care if the "desktop pc is dead"? So what? Just plug a keyboard, mouse and screen into a laptop and use it as a desktop. It takes up less space and uses less power, it's a win for everyone.
That still doesn't solve the problem about the public breaking the fucking thing. Plus, after the cost of the chain wouldn't it be just as much as a cheap desktop, especially considering they'd handle newer websites better?
It will probably happen on the consumer market. In the not so distant future we will all move to single integrated chips, like what phones have.
GPUs with the dimension and energy requirements of today's will be relegated to cloud servers powering everything our local systems can't do.
There is no 100$ desktop capable of handling modern websites that I know off. Unless you buy second hand. It would still cost more. And it would have more parts that can fail.
Most institutions prefer shit that is cheap, just works and when it breaks they can just throw the whole damn thing out and replace it with a new one.
This is what people just don't get.
That big bulky tower on your desk. Yep, its dead.
Your big monitor, nice keyboard, comfy chair and sound system. That's fine, at least for a while longer than the towers.
I personally have a workstation with professional displays so I don't care all that much what plebsumers use to ravel at the shit I produce.
But the death of the PC means I'll have to pay premium for my workstation parts from now on. More so than I do right now.
So with that in mind I'm a bit concerned.
>more expensive, and barely upgradable.
Right now, yes. But in 10 years time when everyone at their dog has a laptop/tablet and no one uses desktops? They'll be giving away basic tablets for free in happy meals.
>It's the distant future
>Everyone has HMDs connected directly to their brains
>Family comes to visit for Thanksgiving
>"Grandpa, what's that big box in the attic?"
>You dust it off and boot it up
>Explain to him how you spend your entire youth using it 16 hours a day
>He pokes at the keyboard and clumsily moves the mouse
>"Woah, this sucks!" he says
>still on about the retarded OnLive when Sony has been killing the sales of old games with their streaming service for 2 years now.
Next console gen will be the dumb terminals. It's pretty much guaranteed at this point. Neither Sony nor Microsoft will waste money developing small form factor PCs when a simple cheapo piece of shit throwaway SoC APU that's about as powerful as a shit tablet can get the game streamed from a cloudfarm.
The tech is ready. The dudebros might not be ready but at this point no one really cares what they think anymore.
>productivity this productivity that
Thing is 99% of computer users don't use their computers for productive purposes.
The rest use workstations which in time will become small formfactor SoC APUs not unlike a console. That's Intels plan at the moment anyway.
When I did my summer internship at an investment bank at wall st, they were in the process of replacing all desktops with thin clients. This is happening in many companies speaking to other people too.
As this accelerates and desktops become a niche, you can say goodbye to cheap off the shelf desktop parts.
Video game developers make games according to the people who will play them. As the percentage of people with discrete powerful GPUs diminishes, they will not have an incentive to create games for those whose graphics take advantage of them. Games more closely follow the development of new consoles than they do new PC hardware, though generally the engines used today are scalable, so that PC users can experience graphics that current gen consoles still can't manage.
And yes, 50 years is absolutely stupid. In 50 years people won't even have PCs in the sense we understand the term. In 50 years time, a PC several orders of magnitude more powerful than today's workstations will be able to fit inside an Oculus Rift style device.
I visit a lot of corporation places, you know, those who make money being productive.
Think companies like Dell, Lenovo, T-Com, Amazon, etc. They only have laptops and servers. A few desktops in dedicated labs. Hell even media and PR teams have workstation tier laptops to produce videos, adverts etc. People come in the morning, sit wherever they need in the building, dock their laptop and work. Then take their laptop to meeting with client, then home to do some work remotely etc. After a few months when their project is over and they take on a new one with different people, they just group together as they need to and continue making money.
98% od GDP producing citizens have absolutely no need for a derptop. The other 2% are migrating heavily to either service based remote computing solutions or use desktops.
Consumers need AIO at best, freelancing professionals will probably buy a workstation laptop or build a desktop but they are such minority it doenst even matter.
Stay mad but I sold PCs for nearly 3 years and the demographic that was interested in desktops were almost solely kids because vidya. Employed young men who still game a bit were just looking for an ultrabook with dGPU so they can be weekend warrior gamers and not be ashamed to take their ROG abominations to work environment.
Discrete components are already niche as fuck. Aside from hardcoar PC gamers and 3D design artists, there's no need for them. The future of mainstream desktop PCs are those MiniPCs like the Zoltec ones, possibly some all-in-ones as well.
>Most gamers game on consoles.
No, they don't, because consoles are terrible to game on. It's the worst thing ever. I stopped playing some of my absolute favorite games just because they're on consoles, and the experience of playing them in an emulator with all its inherent problems still suits me more than playing on the console. Main reasons:
-consoles have dogshit video resolution and framerate
-consoles output to tvs and tvs suck ass compared to pc monitors. PC monitors have a crisp image and are plain output devices, while tvs look fucking awful and have this horrible dogshit firmware and their own GUI that's slow, bloated and convoluted as fuck
-consoles are just gimped PCs with - again - some dogshit, slow, limited, bloated-as-fuck firmware loaded onto them instead of just being like the good old playstation 1: power on -> goes straight to game. Why would I want a bunch of different PCs that only do 1 thing if I could have 1 PC that does everything AND does everything better?
I dont know if this is the relevant thread but;
I'm kind of a hardware noob. I've heard that Amd Radeon Rx 400 Series, Nvidia Pascal series and some new generation CPU's are being released.
As a studend, I will be saving until summer at least. The thing is if it's worth it or if they bring some revolutionary performance increase, I'd wait for them. Do you think it is worth waiting till Q1, 2017 (Q1, 2017 is the time intel releases its new gen Cpu if im not mistaken).
Guide me on this guys? What are some next gen Gpu's and Cpu's worth waiting and would I afford them if I waited (I got like 2000$ budget). If they bring some good improvements, who knows I may even be able to experience 4k with this budget.
As long as gpu ram is faster than cpu ram it'll never happen.
That being said, the need for a dedicated gpu died out a long time ago for most people. I use a c2d e8400 with the igpu running Linux mint at my parent's house while I'm staying over and it handles everything I throw at it just fine. You'd only need something more powerful for rendering, compute, or gaming.
Also don't forget tdp. A good gpu will get hot, and as hardware gets better software gets worse. We used computers for pretty much the same stuff when 1gb ram was the standard and now that 4gb ram is the minimum for most.
I would say no considering the massive difference between integrated and a dedicated card but the other day I was deep in cod4 promod and someone was talking about graphics cards and I asked everyone in the server to post their card.
>I have a 960 GTX SSC what do you guys have?
>intel hd 4000
>intel hd 3000
>amd apu's everywhere too
>uh... what the fuck
>"Did you install that video card yourself, nerd?"
>one person with a 7800GT that they had best buy install like 10 years ago
These people weren't poor, they had all these high end motherboards they talked about, I really think they can't tell the difference, or I just don't know WHAT the fuck. Maybe this is where the "eye can't see more than 24 fps" meme comes from because they really can't tell even side by side