>>52595853 >What's good about those ones? They measure really well. Extremely well even if you compare them to other on-ear headphones. They are bassy but the response is very smooth and extended which is unlike any other Beats on the market.
That said they are still on-ears which is generally a thing to avoid and bassy response is not really my cup of tea. If you want headphones for commute/travel, like the looks and enjoy a bassy response then you can't do much better than Solo 2 actually.
>>52595875 "Beats" is not a singular thing, no consumer audio brand is. Solo 2 is arguably a better headphone sound quality wise than a HD 429 even if the other is on-ear and the other over-ear.
>>52595900 >"Beats" is not a singular thing, no consumer audio brand is. Solo 2 is arguably a better headphone sound quality wise than a HD 429 even if the other is on-ear and the other over-ear.
Fair, I actually don't know too much about the Beats brand and I'm sure they do make some quality models, like what OP posted. I thought OP was generalizing about Beats in general which are usually overpriced, not very comfy, subpar sounding headphones. At least for what you pay for them. My HD 429s may not be the greatest headphones around but they're relatively inexpensive and comfy as hell.
Also, I don't care who you are on ear headphones suck, I have a shitty pair of Sony DJ headphones at work that are super uncomfortable. Over ear is master race.
The Solo2 is actually decent. They're on-ear and a bit bassy, but they're nice for lightweight headphones.
But, in general, they're overpriced crap. They're pretty, but they have objectively poor sound quality. They're known for their bass, but they aren't even very good at that. They're bling for rappers, not precision instruments.
>>52595931 I will never understand the concept of a certain type of colored magnitude response being good for a genre of music so my answer is: yes. It would be worse than a more neutral pair. However, due to the response being very smooth and extended the issue is not big and you won't be finding much better on-ear options. They generally all suck in some way and on-ears with a close to neutral response aren't a thing. Sennheiser Amperior/HD 25-1 would be an option with a more V-shaped response.
>>52596011 >I will never understand the concept of a certain type of colored magnitude response being good for a genre of music well then you're kind of an idiot. why would you want overbearing bass in a genre not generally geared towards bass? having a lot of bass would be great for genres like dubstep, house, drum n bass, etc but it wouldn't be so good for classic rock like led zepp. you're dumb.
>>52596120 >having a lot of bass would be great for genres like dubstep, house, drum n bass I've tried to argue this in the past on this board, and that flat response headphones are actually pretty terrible for these genres, but nobody listens to this kind of music on /g/
I heard now that Apple is the master of Dr Nigger the quality improved, but nobody so far has told me exactly why they're different. I got a pair of HD 7 DJ for my niggerbass needs and they work great. Cheaper than Beats Studio which are the top of the line, have the same features like beat tracking movement on the cups and on top of that some extra like actual swiveling cups. Include a nice carrying case and velour+leathery earpads. I'd recommend checking these out before purchasing Beats if you want headphones that look good and make your head vibrate like a giant dildo once the bass is dropped
>>52596279 You may call it debatable, but at least they don't look as terrible as a pair of AGKs or V-Moda shit. Good looks are entirely subjective but you can't claim these headphones look bad compared to other alternative above the 200$ range desu senpai
>>52596120 >well then you're kind of an idiot. No. >why would you want overbearing bass in a genre not generally geared towards bass? I don't. I want no overbearing anything. Why would you want overbearing bass in a genre focused on bass? >having a lot of bass would be great for genres like dubstep, house, drum n bass, etc Why?
Those genres have a lot of bass in the mix already in general. There's an emphasis on bass and a lot of detail focused on the low frequencies. I want to hear that and I want to hear the rest of the spectrum too. Getting a colored pair of headphones effectively clouds whatever is in the mix past those frequencies which were emphasized. To me it makes no sense start altering the response on my system at all. That's just adding content to the audio being played that was never there or intended and at that point I start listening to my own gear, not the music or whatever it is that I'm listening at.
And there's another issue, too. While a bassy pair of headphones _might_ work well for a certain song or even an album with relatively bass light mastering thus effectively balancing it, it's not a thing you can generalize for an entire genre at all. And on the contrary it will sound like ass on content with a lot of bass already making everything sound muddy.
I find it odd that every single piece of gear in your audio chain is designed to create a response as flat and smooth as possible and minimizing non-linearities but then for some reason it all falls apart when you get to the most important part: the transducers themselves whether those are headphones or speakers. If you really want to color your sound system, use a damn equalizer. Actually gives you freedom to play around on per-track basis. >but it wouldn't be so good for classic rock like led zepp. It would be just as bad for that.
>>52596152 >and that flat response headphones are actually pretty terrible for these genres, but nobody listens to this kind of music on /g/ Now that's dumb.
people spend (depending on the artist) anywhere from hundreds of dollars to tens of thousands of dollars doing mixing and mastering on extremely expensive and accurate gear.
typically, if you trust and believe that these engineers have better ears than you, you should try to listen on equipment that does not colour the sound.
beats colour the sound. typically companies will spend huge amounts of money on R&D to avoid colouring the sound and then they will advertise that the sound is not coloured.
beats spend millions on advertising trying to tell you why it is GOOD that they colour the sound.
pic related AKG K 550 they're my headphones i use for mixing. I also have a vintage AKG K 140 if i'm interested in massive ear discomfort. I also have cheap ass open back Sonys with way too much bass for when I need to know what a HYPE headphone would sound like. and i use apple EarPods on the subway.
i mix in 32/96 and i listen to 256 kbs AAC on mobile.
>>52596120 Then have a lot of bass IN THE TRACK. Make the bass loud during mixing. Don't indiscriminately make all bass loud. Accurately reproducing sound lets the artist be more creative. Just making ALL bass loud is like slapping some shitty Instagram filter on ALL your photos.
A good pair of headphones will have bass that is better than Beats. However, the bass will not be disproportionately loud. It will be exactly as loud as the artist makes it.
>>52596408 >And what in the world makes you think that I don't? the world in which you wrote an essay about how your way is the only way to listen to music if you get so mad over something it's obvious that you've lost all fun doing it and are now just defending it from criticism in an attempt to convince yourself that it's still a fun thing to do
>>52596408 >While a bassy pair of headphones _might_ work well for a certain song or even an album with relatively bass light mastering thus effectively balancing it, it's not a thing you can generalize for an entire genre at all.
This is just absolutely fucking retarded. Bass-coloured headphones work great for all the genres listed above, with almost zero exceptions - it takes the part of the music people enjoy and gives you more of it. Nobody gives a fuck if the 'artist didn't intend' this much bass, if it's enjoyable and a strong feature of the genre already - as is the case in most electronic genres, especially dubstep and drum & bass - then increasing the bass 3-5.0db can greatly improve the sound of some tracks.
I can only assume you've never listened to any of those genre seriously and listen to folk or classical or some bullshit and can't understand why anyone would want to 'colour' their music
The fact that everyone on /g/ comveniently forgets, because they never fucking go outside, is that Beats are also a fashion accessory. You look like an autistic child with hearing problems when you wear your AKG weebshit headphones outside. You're not only buying a pair of headphones, you're also buying a fashion accessory that looks goot to complement your day-to-day street outfit. When you wear Beats, especially the high-end Pro or Studio 2.0 headphones you look like a sophisticated adult with fashion sense and disposable income. If you care how you present yourself to the outside world, get a pair of Beats. If you don't mind looking like a retarded child, get whatever is suggested ITT Peace out nerds
>>52595785 >Are these really that bad? Why? 15 dollars worth of materials, very shitty. Ive owned beats solos, litteraly broke them in half becuase they sounded like shit after I tried some much cheaper headphones with better sound. (audio technical)
>>52596439 >the world in which you wrote an essay about how your way is the only way to listen to music You said you didn't read my post and that shows.
>if you get so mad over something it's obvious that you've lost all fun doing it and are now just defending it from criticism in an attempt to convince yourself that it's still a fun thing to do You're avoiding the question to the idea you yourself brought up. That's some top tier profiling, too.
>>52596477 >Bass-coloured headphones work great for all the genres listed above, with almost zero exceptions Why? >it takes the part of the music people enjoy and gives you more of it If it's only the bass you enjoy then sure. That's personal preference and something I completely disagree with and I listen to mostly electronic stuff. >Nobody gives a fuck if the 'artist didn't intend' this much bass A lot of people actually do. >if it's enjoyable and a strong feature of the genre already - as is the case in most electronic genres, especially dubstep and drum & bass - then increasing the bass 3-5.0db can greatly improve the sound of some tracks. Yeah emphasis on can improve depending on the master and whatever you enjoy. There are plenty of songs in these genres which would benefit from less bass and plenty which could use more of it. This is a problem with mastering and not something you effectively fix(if at all) using colored headphones.
That simply can't be generalized for an entire genre and let alone for everyone as people's preference varies so much. Where does the 3-5dB come from anyway? Where do you emphasize this "3-5dB"? Maybe your gear is bass light there and you are compensating for it? Maybe you just like a ton of bass? Would you go out and tell other people with different gear and taste to do the same? It's just vague as fuck with no point of reference anymore.
The problem isn't beats versus AKG. It's listening to music outside. If you're not in a distraction free environment where you can listen to the music exclusively and not do anything else, the best quality headphones won't help you. You're just not getting the full experience. Environments where people can see you listening to your music are almost never good for listening properly and in a concentrated way. Browsing image boards and listening to music at the same time is the same shit by the way.
If music is just some background noise to do your daily activities to however, it does not matter if you choose AKG or beats, though beats are a fashion product right now.
>>52597330 I realized this the first time when I attended a performance of Mozart's symphonies 23 and 24. I felt ashamed about how I treated music previously like some throwaway piece of entertainment instead of the airvibrating path to our lord god that it actually is.
>>52596481 If I'm listening on the go I use in ear ear buds. They're just easier on the go. Plus due to ambitient noise I'm not gonna get great sound quality anyeay. And I live in an area that gets hot so over ear phones make me sweat if I wear them in the summer. I use the HD 429s at my desktop at home to game and listen to music.
>>52597177 lol. /mu/ is filled to the brim with pretentious teenies that "define themselves" by the shitty 2deep4u earnoise that they listen to, thinking anybody gives a fuck when literally nobody does. it's a board packed to the brim with low test cucks that don't get laid. pic related, /mu/ a few years back.
>>52596535 >>52596556 I like their look personally, really nice 80s asthetics (A E S T H E T I C S). Also the sound leak isn't that bad and you can clearly hear traffic noise. If you hear nightcore or something similiar you'll might get weird looks though.
>>52595785 Yes they are, even though they're the best Beats in production now. There's literally no reason to spend so much on them when you can get something like the K550 which is immensely better and more comfortable for a lower price.
>>52596266 >I heard now that Apple is the master of Dr Nigger the quality improved It's actually just because Monster, those pieces of shit that make the overpriced Best Buy HDMI cables, isn't making the headphones anymore. They've moved to another manufacturer right before apple bought them.
>>52596481 Yeah, that's right but beats don't look that good really. Thay're very bland in design and the plastic looks cheap. Of course the whole ins't gonna look cheap because everyone that loves or hate them know they are expensive. They're as fashionnable as an iphone. You're not impressing anyone unless you're in the ghetto. You don't look bad to most people but you don't look very good either.
And if you go for looks alone and sound quality isn't an issue because you're listening in the streets, pick any cheap chinese knockoff. The choice is much larger and you can choose something that actually goes with your outfit.
> why? 1) they're hideous 2) on-ear = uncomfortable 3) Beats invest on marketing 100 times more than on sound quality 4) they're JUST decent for literally 2 or 3 music genres, they suck at everything else 5) overpriced for their performance
>>52595785 Never liked beats because there's just too much bass and the cost is just stupid for what they are. Also the on ears are not comfortable at all
Here are my headphones AKG K545, my favorite headphones, the only ones I carry around and use daily Sennheiser HD540 reference gold Sennheiser HD490 Sony playstation wireless headset, I use these when I'm watching netflix from my couch/bed
>>52595900 Saw the measurements. Nice 30Hz square wave, everything else is either mediocre (hello shitty impulse response) to acceptable (nice frequency response). They offer nothing over the Momentum though and lose a lot on build quality and looks.
Tyll's review kind of seems like he got payed to write it. They're the best thing ever, in a category where nothing is really that good. So basically a good pair of full-sized headphones will sound better and be cheaper.
Overall, if this is the stuff white kids will buy to seem black, it's really a step forward. It's one of those cases where the most successful example of a product is actually very decent. Kudos to Apple for fixing Beats.
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