The best editing software, the most flexible hardware configs without needing to be a basement troll with a book of command lines because if Microsoft never pushed GUI linfags would be happy typing paragraphs as the norm today.
>>52595542 Personally I have to have Windows installed on my MacBook because:
1. Chinese internet banking absolutely requires Internet Explorer because they're stuck in the late 90s with the forced ActiveX meme. 2. My friend has an NTFS formatted hard drive that he wants me to copy files to but OS X doesn't natively support writing to NTFS and what little available solutions that are available either don't work with the latest version of OS X or are too unstable to rely on.
Back home, I have Windows on my desktop for video games and little else. Where I can, I opt to play my games on Linux to support the platform.
>>52595749 Thats the stupidest thing ive heared in a while. So windows is bad because you are such a crazy computer geek and it is too easy for you. Holy shit i guess you are more edgy than a minecraft block
The real reason that Windows is the most popular OS is because ever since it's release, Microsoft has been bribing OEMs to make Windows the pre-installed OS on almost every computer that gets sold. Technically illiterate people don't know about what options there are with regards to choice of OS, have no idea that operating systems can be switched out and often have no idea what an OS even is.
Over the years this has led to the situation of people just assuming that Windows is how a computer should work unless it's a Mac, because it's the only thing that people have ever been given the opportunity to know. This leads to Windows being popular not because people consciously choose Windows for their PCs but because they don't realise they even have a choice to begin with and as a result of that, Windows is the most popular desktop OS, thus developers prioritise Windows as a platform and people are continuously locked into the platform.
Not to mention Microsoft Office being made a mandatory standard across many offices and educational institutions all over the world, meaning that even if people choose an open source office suite like LibreOffice, they're fraught with compatibility issues when they share their work with colleagues and if they don't know any better, they just assume that software like LibreOffice is of low quality rather than being a victim of the proliferation of proprietary file formats. The reality is that only about 10% of MS Office users actually require the advanced features that only MS Office provides, whereas your average university student or office drone would find LibreOffice's feature set perfectly suitable for their needs were it not for the proliferation of MS Office and it's proprietary standards.
The dominance of Microsoft software is a brilliantly engineered vicious circle that your average user will likely never break out of.
>>52595627 I have never encountered a task which required me to use the CLI.
Sure, some things CAN be done with the CLI, and a very small number of things are easier with CLI, but in every case there is a program with a GUI which will do it.
Granted, I'm not a network engineer or a system admin or a nasa scientist, I'm a tech-savvy home user. For a tiny minority of people, using the CLI is better for some things, but for the overwhelmingly vast majority of computer users, you simply do not need to touch the command line, ever, and being made to use it is the indicator of bad software.
>>52595812 If you want a system that just works out of the box, windows still has a slight advantage. If you want to extensively customize your system linux is actually the easier system to use, because windows hides its advanced features underneath layers of bullshit, or just plain lacks certain features.
>>52596027 Off-topic but let's be honest here, the only areas where Linux is even lacking these days is industry-standard design/art tools and video games, the latter of which is improving all the time.
Anyone else feel like Windows 10 is not a computer os but more like a ”service" Microsoft provides? >hidden advanced settings >forced auto updates >dat user agreement >some dialogs diaplay messages like "let us do that for you" or "we're getting windows ready for you"
>>52595542 >What reason is there to actually install Windows For work. If you work on a computer and are not a hipster graphical design artist. >most other people at work use windows so everything will be compatible >easy to set up and manage, it just werks >all software is works without having to spend days on configuration >very stable and efficient OS >GUI is far quicker than command line interfaces >when you are a grown up adult things looking like a kiddie hacker or spending hours ricing your desktop do not look appealing What advantages are there even for linux
>>52596263 >what are servers >what is development for anything other than windows >what is using any distro other than memearch >what is performance & stability >what is windows CLI? I remember, shit. No wonder the GUI is faster if your terminal is stuck in 1999 >what is real linux? not /g/ desktop threads
Because you need to use Windows software which doesn't run as well (or at all) under Wine, or because you need to use hardware that Linux doesn't have good drivers for. If neither of those apply to you, use Linux instead.
>>52596856 I didn't say I've never had issues using linux. I said I haven't experienced your sort of "little problems". On linux I'm at least able to fix the problems myself but on windows I have to stare at a screen which says : "something went wrong"
>>52595542 Nothing. If I didnt play osu I wouldn't touch Windows again. >inb4 wine Muh games are on a flash drive, does wine support launching .exe in that setup? I don't know because I didn't research it
>>52597002 Those "couple config files" are already set up and refuse to function properly, my dear passive aggressive memster. X is so shit it can't even consistently discern between the two alt keys. You realize it's only your fault that you're locking yourself into your special snowflake Linux corner where everything is apparently flawless and bugfree and everyone's born a computer genius.
>>52597044 Packets can be sniffed using open source routers. Windows 10 has been out for 8 months. Show me an article where someone uses something like Spybot anti Beacon, yet catches data being sent through the router.
>>52597187 GPUs are pretty much the only things that often don't work to spec. Yes there are some issues with some wifi adapters sometimes but I've never experienced any issues that involve me doing anything more than merely installing a proprietary driver package that couldn't be shipped with a distro. And fuck software modems man, this isn't 1998 anymore.
>Uh, how do you think they make their money? How do you think that justifies what they do?
>>52597232 Agree. Installing Windows is actually a pain in the ass. >random esoteric error message that says absolutely nothing, Google gives million different interpretations of it >after a few hours, turns out the Windows installer couldn't access the same partition it fucking booted from because who the fuck knows, set it to accessible again and it worked >install Windows >existing MBR gets wiped out completely Mama mia
So you're gonna buy a 300+ dollar piece of hardware and have it not perform upto spec, on top of having limited # of childrens games to play with? As far as software modems, they are not rare and believe it or not they are still used and not just to access the internet.
>How do you think that justifies what they do?
You've never had a 'real' job, have you? Money justifies what they do - they are not alone go look at Adobe, Apple, Cisco, Facebook, Redhat, Twitter, google, and practically any other profitable business out there.
>>52595542 To meet the general minimum competency requirement in this day of computing. Go to Best Buy: you'd need to know your way around Android, Windows 10, iOS, OS X, and ChromeOS. Breaks it down to a specific flavor of Linux, Windows, and BSD.
>>52596896 >i-i don't have any argument against what he said >so i'll just say that i don't care Software is not an sterile thing, is not programmed by a machine or a god with perfect criteria, is something made by humans and for humans. Unlike you i also care for the intentions of the developers and i can distinguish when a problem with the software is an honest mistake or due to lack of resources or third party support or when in contrast is an artificial limitation. uTorrent is a good example of this, the developers can screw their users as much as they want because they'll gonna use it anyway.
>>52597402 Plenty of fine DEs out there to use. I've tried many of them and the most popular choices work absolutely fine. You're just buying into memes.
>>52597416 >So you're gonna buy a 300+ dollar piece of hardware and have it not perform unto spec As long as it does the job, who really gives a fuck? Yeah if you went and bought an expensive GPU then you probably don't want to use Linux but for virtually any other piece of common hardware then Linux works fine.
>Money justifies what they do So making money justifies making an anti-competitive monopoly that attempts to strangle out any semblance of competition and seeks to do nothing more than swindle unsuspecting consumers out of their hard earned cash?
>>52597114 >Defending against your own software provider >Accepting their crazy TOS in the first place by using their product Use windows as much as you want but damn, don't ask why there's some informed people that doesn't want to use it when possible.
>>52597571 The only issue would be that it spies on you, which can be detected by using an open source router and sniffing the packets in a controlled test environment. Windows 10, and the tools used to debloat it, have been out for half a year now.
And yet, no one has found out that Spybot anti Beacon, or disablewintracking, let some packets through? Or create new packets with their own tracking data?
>>52597547 Except that this issue is not a bug but a windows "feature" and if by any means you need to update your system due to a known vulnerability there's a good probability that you'll go back to square one because is something microsoft pushes on purpose.
You can install software by downloading and double clicking one file from the developer's website.
Repositories are nice, and ideal in a free software world, but the convenience of just being able to download and install essentially anything with a few clicks is very convenient. Linux should have a .exe equivilent that works across the board IMO.
>>52597661 you missed the point, why would i want to use a system from i software provider that has proven to screw with their own customers when i just can use another OS? i don't depend heavily on any windows-only software and i only use windows when it's absolutely necessary, so why i should choose windows if i can have peace of mind with linux?
>As long as it does the job, who really gives a fuck?
And this is why people use proprietary software.
>virtually any other piece of common hardware then Linux works fine.
Not sure about that, I've had problems with some of the newer RAID controllers.
>So making money justifies making an anti-competitive monopoly that attempts to strangle out any semblance of competition and seeks to do nothing more than swindle unsuspecting consumers out of their hard earned cash?
Yes, that’s pretty much the aim of any business - monopoly or near monopoly of the market. More customers == more money. More money == happy investors.
>>52597755 But I'm using arch >>52597765 You seem to be leaving out adding repositories for specific software, which is also inconvenient. Not to mention the fact that not all software can be found in a repository at all.
Its funny how people post opinons on this thread not knowing that its just a bait thread to reel in people who like and hate windows to throw shit and facts all over the place. But please show me more graphs and facts about which is better.
>>52597621 >Plenty of fine DEs out there to use. I've tried many of them and the most popular choices work absolutely fine. You're just buying into memes. No memes sir. Gnome DEs are awful for multi monitor setups, KDE crashes all the time, LXDE has bizarre panel behavior, Linux apps in general can't seem to decide which way the tab key is supposed to switch, etc.
>But if free software does the job, why pay for proprietary software?
"as long as it does, who really gives a fuck?"
>And ultimately ends in customers getting fucked over and industry stagnation
As business is not in it for the customer.
>Yeah I get it, you're a big boy.
You've a very naive and immature point of view of how the world 'should' work, and this has been the demise of a lot of 'visionaries' who can't meet the world half-way.
Pretty much your argument for using free software is 'because I said so and its about freedom'. Normies need more incentive than you make you happy - just go see how many are happily using Facebook and Google.
>>52597841 Not him but i also think that you don't know what you're doing.
> You can't install using a .deb with arch or an arch based distro Actually there's a lot of scripts on the AUR that does this exactly, for example: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/teamviewer/ Look at the sources, the script just repackages the compiled binaries, that way pacman can know where is everything. You can write your own scripts too if you know what you're doing: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/creating_packages
>Do you know off of the top of your head the names of additional repositories for the specific software they contain? Neither do I. see >>52597850 And yes, you can browse the packages they contain, for example: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/denkad/ArchLinux/x86_64/
>>52597893 >>52597919 A lot of developers points to the repos that includes their software for arch if it's not included. If the developer doesn't cares for arch people makes packages anyway but this is not arch's fault.
>>52597998 I know this bug. It's how windows does file caching, and it's caused when a program like utorrent is accessing many large files. Microsoft released a fix for it that, and I have it installed on my Windows Server 2008
>>52597991 At this point linux has proven to be more reliable though. Also unlike windows users i have full control on my system. Feels good to not need to blame anyone except me most of the few times that something fails.
>>52597966 What about suse/fedora? I said arch because it's what I'm using, but the fact remains that .deb will not work across all major linux distros. Again, there are plenty of users who would rather download a .exe and double click it than browse some list for packages that may or may not be given an obvious name.
You guys are proving another reason why linux isn't exactly better than windows. Whenever a user points out a feature that linux lacks, people rush to tell said user why they should not want that feature.
>>52598010 I understand that developers who make software for linux will mostly give instructions on how to properly install it, from repo or otherwise. But that still doesn't explain why linux users should not have the option to install software in a similar double-click fashion as on a windows machine.
>>52598079 >But that still doesn't explain why linux users should not have the option to install software in a similar double-click fashion as on a windows machine. because that's a security risk and because debian, gentoo/funtoo, arch, fedora, opensuse and slackware are different OS and unified installers would not work.
>>52595542 - To use Adobe suite, Unity 3D, Cubase ... and hundreds of professional softwares not available for Linux. - To be actually sure that your system doesn't break when you update it. - To get a decent battery life on your laptop
>>52598079 >What about suse/fedora? I said arch because it's what I'm using, but the fact remains that .deb will not work across all major linux distros. I'm not saying that .deb is compatible among all distros and that it shouldn't be nice to have a packaging format compatible with all distros, but all those distros are different operative systems made by different people with different purposes and ideologies, by your logic windows and mac are bad because you cannot install a mac package on windows and vice versa.
you say: >Again, there are plenty of users who would rather download a .exe and double click it than browse some list for packages that may or may not be given an obvious name. and also you say: >why they should not want that feature However that feature is already proven to exist in this thread >>52597774, pic related. So this is not a feature that doesn't exists as you are claiming.
>You guys are proving another reason why linux isn't exactly better than windows. Whenever a user points out a feature that linux lacks, people rush to tell said user why they should not want that feature. First, how is the opinion of a linux user directly related to windows or linux being better or worse? Second, you're putting words in my mouth and replying to an strawman argument you made, i never said that i not want a feature that doesn't exists, in fact i proved that said feature exists, i just explained why package managers are better. At this point you're just trying to discredit me without any argument and pushing your frustration to an imaginary enemy.
>I understand that developers who make software for linux will mostly give instructions on how to properly install it, from repo or otherwise. But that still doesn't explain why linux users should not have the option to install software in a similar double-click fashion as on a windows machine. I already proved wrong this statement, we have both options actually.
>>52595607 >>52596023 >without needing to be a basement troll with a book of command lines because if Microsoft never pushed GUI linfags would be happy typing paragraphs as the norm today. You're making a black or white argument though, there are a lo of programs that give you both options and you can do some task more quickly with command interface without being obligated to use it, most user oriented linux distros like ubuntu are an example of this, having a CLI that doesn't sucks while still having a gui for most configurations is not something mutually exclusive.
>>52598942 yes, i don't put an steam or HB link because 4chan could think that is spam but i'll put a youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2HRUVrAAmo We'll also get indivisible from the same guys, we got D:OS and we'll get xcom2 and street fighter 5 too if you're interested.
>>52598079 >You guys are proving another reason why linux isn't exactly better than windows. >Whenever a user points out a feature that linux lacks, people rush to tell said user why they should not want that feature. >mfw i'm just relaxing taking a cofee when suddenly someone enters telling me why all linux users are everything that is wrong with this world.
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