/flt/ - Friendly Linux Thread

What is Linux (or GNU/Linux for Stallmanists)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux

Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux

What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic [it's reddit-tier] -- refer all your recommended software here.)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software

Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse/puke-inducing like those at desktop threads)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing

A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
https://gitgud.io/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript

Check out this page for any updates on the OP
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/

IRC No one uses:
irc://irc.freenode.org:+7000/FriendlyLinux

is it possible to combine gnome and tiling in such way where if you click activities, the wm automatically tiles all the programs you have open?

Probably not strictly related to /flt/...but is Tox dead?

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Does anyone know a way to install a distro to a directory without needing root access?

I'm trying to do it with debootstrap just now but it's really pissing in my cheerios. For one thing, I can't figure out why it actually needs root to run.

>>52581623
You're a faggot OP.
- Nobody cares about GNU/Linux naming.
- Nobody cares about shitty apps guy.
- Posting the same OP twice.
- Using the OP to force personal opinions.

I miss the OP who posted interesting/funny pictures.

>>52581659
No

>>52581723
Yes

>>52581726
No

>>52581743
Yes

I have an interview at a university where they use only linux. I have Ubuntu in a VM right now.

What are the main differences between linux and windows besides just navigating the terminal?

>>52581847
>just navigating the terminal
you really don't need to do this
differences:
no registry
file systems
directory structure
everything is a text file instead of an object like in windows
there are different permission groups you can use for the users
no need for file extensions because MIME
choice in DE/WM
package managers (really handy)
>>52581723
no

>>52581743
>I miss the OP who posted interesting/funny pictures.
I was the one who posted it, faggot.
Next time, join the OP race of next /flt/ thread. Don't just whine like a fucking crybaby.

Changed my Awesome WM theme from default to zenburn on the text editor and saved it. What was supposed to happen cause I didn't see shit?

is mate menu the worst thing ever?

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Help please
I recently installed Debian, and everything went smoothly during installation, but now I can't connect to Wi-Fi. It connected fine during the installation process, and was fine when I installed Debian with kde, but now without a de, it won't work. Pic related

>doesn't know shit about Linux

What distro thing should I get
My friend told me to get Debian

How tf do I get it on my computer

Any good sources to learn more about how to use Linux?

>>52582590
debian is great but you need to be able to use a search engine and you need to know how to read. if you are lazy, get *buntu instead.
resources are listed in the second post of this thread, the recommended software page on the wiki and alternative.to will be helpful. watch some "10 things to do after installing <insert distro name>" video or something.

>>52582590
http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/

>>52582581
show output of ip-link, you might need to set your wireless interface up.

If its already up, have you started any networking services?

>>52582581
is network-manager still installed? does nmtui work?

>>52581628
>Make it good and functional or make it worse/puke-inducing like those at desktop threads
Would agree, I've riced my desktop with i3 and what not, its just better to use xfce.
>>52582590
Debian is a good start, just visit their site and read some intro docs. Burn the iso file to a usb with rufus and boot.
>>52581743
Well is opinions aren't wrong.

>>52582638

ip-link
            command not found

I don't believe so.

>>52582751
"ip link"
My fault

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>>52582759

>>52582645
No and no.

>>52582590
Download the architect linux iso.

>>52582797
Okay, your wireless interface isnt set up which makes me suspect you have no service enabled. I'm not sure which (if any) kde comes with but we can see if wpa_supplicant is there.

Try

wpa_supplicant -v

just to see if its there

>>52582857
It's there.

>>52582885
Try:

ip link set wlan0 up
wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c <(wpa_passphrase <your SSID> <passphrase>)
dhcpcd wlan0

(this may need tweaking a tiny bit)

so for some fucking reason Cinnamon on Arch is mounting USB as readonly filesystems.
how can i force read/write on USBs?

>>52582937

Error: either "dev" is duplicate, or "wpa_supplicant is grabage.

New to loonix, gonna download a file manager.

Which one is better? SpaceFM, PCmanFM, or Thunar?

>>52583064
Oops.

Error: either "dev" is duplicate, or "wpa_supplicant" is garbage.

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Question from noob:

How the fuck is a normal person supposed to know how are packages in repositories named exactly?

Lets say a friend tells me I should try cinnamon DE. How am I supposed to know that it is available as "cinnamon-desktop-environment" and not just "cinnamon", "cinnamon-de" or some other shit??

In windows, I would just double-click executable.

Imagine you put some distro on your parents or little cousins PC. How are they supposed to know which package they need, what does it do, how is it exactly called etc, let alone install something from non-official repositories you have to add manually also.

How is this user friendly?

>>52583065
which de do you use? use the one that is included.

>>52583122
Most package managers that I know of have a search function.

Look up what the search function is in the package manager that you use.

>>52583141
Not using one, am using the i3 window manager for tiling.

>>52583122
aptitude search <name you think it has>
other than that if you download a package for your distro it's the same as in windows but without the need to install it.

>>52583122
>How is this user friendly?

It's not. Quit wasting time on Linux and get a proper OS. At most run Linux in a Virtual Machine.

>>52583161
>new
>using a tiling wm
go full autism and use ranger or no file-manager at all then.

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>>52583164
here's your reply

>>52583091
I think you will need the help of someone with more of a neckbeard. Sorry - no idea what to do with that error!

I would maybe try
killall wpa_supplicant

and try again but I'm really grasping at straws now. Were there any errors at

ip link set wlan0 up

?

>>52583161
>>52583182
actually if you enjoy it, try out all 3 and decide on the one with the least dependencies and the one you like best.

>>52583182
Alright then.

>>52583219

wpa_supplicant: no process found

No.

How tedious would it be to go from install to being able to browse over wifi with Chrome?

Should i actshually install gentoo?

>>52583279
depends on the distro, in *buntu it should take you no more than 20 minutes.

>>52583289
If you want almost unlimited customization, yes
If you want almost almost unlimited customization, try Arch.

If you are new to linux, try a different distro, like mint.

>>52583317
arch doesn't even support other init than systemd. even debian is more customizable.

>>52583274
Try:

systemctl start wpa_supplicant

(not sure above is necessary but w/e)

wpa_passphrase <SSID> passphrase > /etc/wpa_supplicant/<something>.conf

wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/<something>.conf

>>52583387
"wlan0" should be the same as the interface name you set up from "ip link" incase i cant read btw

>>52583360
it's not officially supported but you can install it

>>52583163
Thanks I learned something new although I hat do install aptitude - what gives, I thought it is the same as apt-get? There were prefixes "p" and "v" on packages along with brief description, what do these mean?

Also during install I was told I could remove redundant files with "apt-get autoremove" but when I tried it, it said autoremove is an unknown command.

>>52583445
type just aptitude into the terminal to see what it gives you, there is not reason not to use it if you are on a debian based distro. it's not exactly the same. type "man aptitude" to see what they mean, this works for almost all software on GNU/Linux.
you need to type sudo before that command to make it work.

>>52583387
>>52583403
What's the <something> ?

>>52583211
Prove me wrong

>>52583501
whatever you want, just something to identify the configuration file you generate with wpa_passphrase. You could use "test" or "example" or the SSID to help you remembe what it is etc etc

>>52583527
no u

>>52583529
That's what I thought, but opon entering that last command, I get file not found, and I used the same name

>>52583537
>no u
Windows + OSX 99% marketshare on the desktop.
Linux 1%.
Explain.

>>52583489
"man" will be my biggest friend forever and ever from now on. The learning curve is steep.

>>52581623
>not calling it /flgbt/

>>52583561
centralized marketing, timing, preinstalled

>>52583557
And you are logged in as root?

>>52583586
>centralized marketing, timing, preinstalled
Excuses

How do I run a program through the terminal without letting that program take over the terminal?

>>52583122
APT:

apt-cache search cinnamon

DNF:

dnf grouplist -v 

for ordinary packages

dnf search package

Portage:

 emerge -s package

I can't remember the pacman command.

>>52583696
put an ampersand at the end like

command &

Note that you will need to use ps -e to find the process and kill to stop itif you do that.

>>52583716
>not using jobs,fg,bg,pkill,killall

>>52583716
I found about "&" and "& disown" but it stills output the program's log whenever there's something to be outputted.

Also found about nohup but it seems that abusing nohup makes the terminal really laggy.

>>52583626
Okay, so I made the file manually, and now I'm getting driver errors or something.

Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
Could not read interface -wlan0 flags: No such device
n180211: Driver does not support authentication/association or connect commands
Could not read interface -wlan0 flags: No such device
-wlan0: Failed to initialize driver interface

>>52583778
Thanks for the tip.

>>52583803
wlan0 does not exist. Try wlp3s0.

And in the command do

-Dnl80211,wext

So if you can't load nl80211 generic Wireless Extensions can take over.

>>52583795

gimp &>/dev/null &

>>52583122
My parents wouldn't install a new DE.
If they used cinnamon / mint, typing the name of an application not installed in the menu will provide a link so they can install it with a single click.
Updates are also a single click + writing a password, nothing weird there.

My grandmother runs ubuntu-mate and I just sat it up, taught her how to use it and it works for her.
Previously she used ubuntu 10.04, and she doesn't know what windows is like.
It is a lot easier for me to support her this way

Alright this says friendly to new users. I am starting from no Linux experience. I really want to learn for any future jobs but also have a better desktop experience and learn ricing. I was thinking starting KDE or Arch linux. Any advice guys?

>>52583839
Seems to work fine. Thanks!

>>52583823
wlp3s0 doesn't exist either

>>52583879
>New to linux
Install Mint and learn bash, then move onto something harder.

>>52583566
you got the spirit, have fun.
>>52583879
>starting with arch
don't do this. start with something more sane, maybe debian if you want to learn. starting with xubuntu or mint would make the most sense imo.

>>52583879
Also KDE is a DE that can be installed in any version of Linux.

>>52583879
Do not start Arch Linux unless you're willing to learn Linux school of hard knocks style.

There are detailed guides to installing it but it's involved and can have problems pop up that someone with no experience would be helpless against.

For a newb, I'd recommend Fedora or Ubuntu.

I prefer Fedora because I find it more straightforward and the package manager easier to use, plus sudo is not enabled by default.

Sudo is a bullshit way of executing root processes where you type in your own user password for every goddamn command.

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/
KDE Plasma spin is at the top

https://http://www.kubuntu.org/
Ubuntu with KDE.

>>52583823
Generic wireless extensions don't work btw. I had to install proprietary drivers during installation

>>52583938
Why is KDE's mascot such a furfag mascot?

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>>52583938
>fedora
>kde

>>52583938
How does such a noob advance to the arch level?

>>52583983
Just get used to the terminal and you will be fine.

It's just about being comfortable with the CLI

What are the main reasons to install Linux? I want to try, but I don't know what to expect.

anyone here want to see someone struggling?
>>52583985
>>52583862
>>52583674
>>52583719
>>52583567
>>52583096

>>52584027
Owning an operating system that does exactly what you want.

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>>52584027

>>52584044
>Owning an operating system that does exactly what you want.
Windows does that

>>52584062
tell it to delete system32

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friendly reminder

http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html

>>52584101
But it's freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>52584101
Get a life dude, you're posting this the 10000th time and people still call you a faggot. U're masochistic?

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>>52584101
>>52584062
>>52583164
>>>/loo/

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i was told to change my display to 2 because everything was too zoomed out and now i hit 3 on accident now my display is too big and i can change it. pic related. i cant click on the scale now fuck

>>52584062
> owning
> does exactly what you want

I kek'd. Windows is loaded with backdoors, background processes, and needless bloat.

You do not own your OS. You have a digital license and have signed an agreement letting Microsoft harvest your data, including data from private folders and your fucking emails with impunity.

Windows is set up so that you are only allowed to use your computer the way Microsoft intended. You can only run microsoft-approved software, are not allowed to modify the system, and are not allowed to have privacy.

>>52584129
xrandr -s 1366x768

>>52583164
>Problem solving skills of a winbabby

>>52584125
> learning how to poo correctly

Technically speaking, Indians are better at pooing than westerners. Western toilets are designed to be sat on, which is terrible pooing posture. It closes a muscle in your rectum and makes it significantly harder to poo, and leads to a variety of afflictions such as hemmorhoids, constipation, and even bowel impaction.

Squatting in a field is in fact the easiest and healthiest way to poop, and is the way we did it when we were cavemen. We should never have abandoned it, and in fact in virtually every place in the world save for North America, their facilities are designed to make squatting easier.

>>52584147
I ran that in my terminal and said command wasn't found.

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>>52584101
Lol

>>52584101
>I want to make one thing crystal clear - Windows, in some regards, is even worse than Linux and it's definitely not ready for the desktop either. Off the top of my head I want to name the following quite devastating issues with Windows: • devastating Windows rot, • no enforced file system and registry hierarchy (I have yet to find a single serious application which can uninstall itself cleanly and fully), • svchost.exe, • no true safe mode, • no clean state, • the user as a system administrator (thus viruses/malware - most users don't and won't understand UAC warnings), • no good packaging mechanism (MSI is a fragile abomination), • no system wide update mechanism (which includes third party software), • Windows is extremely difficult to debug, • Windows boot problems are often fatal and unsolvable unless you reinstall from scratch, • Windows is hardware dependent (especially when running from UEFI), • Windows updates are terribly unreliable and they also waste disk space, • there's no way to cleanly upgrade your system (there will be thousands of leftovers), etc.

Wow you sure showed me

>>52584101
>Gives link to an argumentatively insane write-up
>Expects people to take him seriously.
He has good evidence, but his argument is moot, as he doesn't say what a Desktop OS is. That write-up is the equivalent of me saying water is unhealthy, as drinking too much of it can have negative effects on your health. Although the evidence is true, it doesn't prove anything, as I never defined what "unhealthy" is. That's the problem with bashing. It doesn't help to drive your point. To do this properly would be to state what a Desktop OS is (This is providing an ideal alternative to compare to) or say that something is better (This is providing a real alternative to compare to). You cannot say negatives without saying why these negatives are negative.

>>52584136

If you say so

I have 1 monitor plugged to the integrated graphics (Intel) card and 2 on the discrete graphics card (nvidia 970) on Windows and it works fine. Is there a way to have the same setup on Linux? I tried Ubuntu, but the monitor plugged to the integrated gpu does not work.

>>52584218
Hold ALT, Click on the window and move it while holding the mousebutton and ALT.

>>52584192
italy has designated squatting toilets instead of streets.

>>52584285
Thanks I did it. Also do you know how to change the page display? It looks so zoomed out. I have to manually zoom in to read it because it's so small the text.

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>>52584226
>Fedoraproject
>38, lowest of all linux-related vendors
told ya its da bes

New OS on a raspberry pi
Can't save anything from vim
Keeps giving me E212 message
Says file system is read only
How to change and save so I don't lose all this text?

>>52584280
I'm interested in this too.
I'll try some things out and get back to you when I'm done

Okay, so say I installed Debian with a de. How would I uninstall said de and use openbox for a window manager?

>>52584280
are you running opensource or closed drivers?

>>52584458
sudo remove <name of de>

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sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade

>tfw I'll gain space by updating packages

>>52581726
>I can't figure out why [deboostrap] actually needs root to run.

it needs chroot, bb. this person says you can try --variant=fakechroot, though: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/214828/is-it-possible-to-run-debootstrap-within-a-fakeroot-environment#comment433162_214830

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>>52581623
Has anybody else who uses Arch been getting weird kernel lockups on shutdown complaining about "systemd-logind task hung for more than 120usecs" or something similar? Seems to only happen with the 4.3.x kernels. Thank god I have the LTS kernel installed...

>>52584459
Nvidia drivers from the "aditional drivers" window.

>>52584473
It's Debian, so no sudo, and I tried that with kde, but it didn't work

>>52584458
don't remove the DE.
Window manager is just the window manager.
By removing the DE and replacing it solely with a WM you will cripple 90% of the functionalities.

tl;dr stop being a ricer retard, having packages on your hard drive doesn't slow your computer down

>>52584101
If "Linux being ready for the desktop" entails Linux distros becoming something """"""""standardized""""""" and locked down and generally godawful like Android, I'm happy that Linux will never be ready for the desktop, honestly. End-users are a fucking cancer.

>>52584494
Look up for hybrid configuration, from what I'm reading on google it should work right out of the box.

>>52581847
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

>What are the main differences between linux and windows?
GNU/Linux respects your freedom. It permits you to do whatever you please with your own hardware.

>>52584115
>>52584123
>>52584125
>>52584226
>>52584238
>>52584242
>>52584521
just don't reply if you want him gone, simple as that.

newfags
when will they learn

>>52584526
It works on windows, but not on ubuntu. Mint and Fedora :S

>>52584549
I don't want him gone just like that
I want to make fun of him for shilling unsecured system

>>52584507
should have left out the root password during install, add yourself to sudo after installing sudo. if you don't want to install sudo you can just use su.
su
aptitude remove kde-desktop
this should work

>>52584552
It doesn't work on ubuntu but does on fedora?
lmao

>>52584549
But I like him. He is a special kind of retard, advocating a guide that bashes all Desktop OSes while acting like it only applies to Linux.

>>52584526
Hybrid config is for laptops IIRC

>>52584598
He said

It works on Windows

It doesn't work on Ubuntu, Mint and Fedora

>>52584598
Nah, I've tried with those 3 distros, none of them work.

>>52583983
Arch is just a distro that doesn't come with preinstalled stuff. There is no Arch level. That's what makes Arch a meme distro. The idea that it's somehow a 1337 distro. It's not. It's just another distro, period.

>>52584611
"He said" should learn fucking english, who the fuck puts a period in the middle of the sentence?

>>52584507
>It's Debian, so no sudo
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sudo&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all&section=all

I'll try in this thread. My harddrive with my opensuse 13.2 virtual machine died and I was going to reinstall the latest version. But now it's all confusing with Tumbleweed and Leap versions. I can't tell which one would be the best for me. Both claim to be more or less stable bleeding edge. I use OpenSuse for linux exclusive applications, sandboxing off the VM with VPN for accessing country restricted media content and testing QT C++ code in linux.

>>52584641
Yeah, my bad, sorry mate.

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>>52584641
Yes, he

>>52584552
breh there's no reason to repeat that, you described your problem in the first post.

what does xrandr say?

>>52584616
At least change your name dumb cunt

So I just installed Xubuntu 15.10 wily and why does installing packages almost never work? It's not even that new because it's been out since October.

>>52584648
Leap follows SLED versions so it's "stable"
Tumbleweed doesn't sot it's "bleeding edge"

>>52584670
Oh, lol, it was from the quick replay thing, gone now. Thanks.

>>52584686
So which one would you recommend? Will tumbleweed break my shit and will Leap get me stuck with a year old web browser?

So far every wiki I've read I haven't managed to completely understand. I'm left with awesome wm not knowing what else to do. every guide I find leaves me at a dead end where I can no long follow. this shit is frustrating...

Want to finish setting up my laptop for monday when school starts.

>>52584636
I get that, but at what point does a new user become good enough at the command line to be able to install arch with minimal problems?

>>52584705
If you have trouble following simple guides for AutismWM why not settle for a fully featured desktop environment?
I recommend MATE, it's great and with a little bit of tweaking you'll get maximum hipster cred for 2-decade-old-style rice

>>52584704
I say go with Leap. I used quotes for "stable" because it isn't as slow as stable would entail.

>>52584683
be specific

>>52584730
OK thanks. I'll go with leap then. Was just about to install tumbleweed but Leap seems to be what suits me.

>>52584725
They're not simple at all if you're new to linux and the command line and all of this shit.

I just wanted to have a cute environment because I won't have time once school officially starts.

>>52584721
You're putting Arch on a pedestal. You can install other distros the same way you'd install Arch (e.g., debootstrap) -- Arch just lacks a point-and-click installer.

Just try it and see, maybe in a VM.

if i uname -a my output is
Linux desktop-debian 4.3.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.3.3-5 (2016-01-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux

am i on 4.3.0 or on 4.3.3?

>>52584765
Then try i3.
It has a simple plain english configuration with bash-like syntax.

I can even post snippets from my old i3 config (i actually switched back to a normal DE) for volume controls and power management

>>52584777
Okay.. I just can't find a distro I can install without a de. Debian refused to connect to the network

>>52584815
have you tried

man uname

?

It has like 60 lines of text, and your question is answered in the 11th one

>>52584750
Installing with apt-get gives me issues like 404s, broken packages and dependency issues. I can't install spotify or f.lux and when I search online they say it's because of old repositories. But my version has been out for four months.

>>52584841
>Okay.. I just can't find a distro I can install without a de.
Literally Ubuntu Server or Fedora server (fedora is actually a "full ISO" which lets you choose whatever environment you want, including "none at all"

>>52584841
use the non-free iso of debian then.

>>52584852
did you update and upgrade before trying to install them? which mirrors do you use?
>>52584842
thanks, didn't think about that.

Got Linux working for the first time.

Installed mpc + ncmpcpp

When launching ncmpcpp I get a thing saying the connection refused.

What should I do? Do I have to have something start at boot? Should I edit some obscure config file?

>>52584916
Do you have mpd installed?

>>52584916
>first time
use a more simple player like deadbeef or read this: http://www.linuxandlife.com/2012/01/simple-guide-to-set-up-mpd-with-ncmpcpp.html

>>52584926
Installed mpd* + ncmpcpp

Yes I have it installed.

>>52584916
Does mpc work?

>>52584949
Is it running?

>>52584930
Got it working, thanks

>>52584900
Yeah I upgraded it, I'm using the default mirrors that are for wily. When I changed the mirrors in that file it made it worse.

>>52584900#
Yeah I upgraded it, I'm using the default mirrors that are for wily. When I changed the mirrors in that file it made it worse.

where can one find an up-to-date icon theme that:
>is that flat-design-bullshit
>doesn't try to imitate the alienware look
>isn't faenza

>>52585096
i can't really help with your issue then because i use debian testing and not *buntu, maybe someone else can. as for f.lux i would recommend using redshift instead.

>>52585140
numix is the most actively developed icon theme atm

>>52585140
arc dark or numix darker

>>52585151
I am but I hate it because I can't lower the brightness as good as f.lux. Redshift is shit

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>>52585174
redshift has the option to lower it more than default

>>52585096
You need to update from time to time

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>>52585174
How about you stop spewing memes and tell us what functionality you have a hard time understanding?

old thread only just died now and this is 178 posts in

that's how early it was, OP

>>52585174
moron detected

got wma
need mp3

>>52585478
ffmpeg

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>>52585324
f.meme blown the fuck out

>>52585478

ffmpeg -i got.wma -q:a 2 need.mp3

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>>52585581
>>52585502
fuck, theres noise
so I like fuck it, will use youtube version
fuck, theres noise too, it was just not so apparent cuz lower volume
fuck this gay earth

>>52585610
youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 <video URL>

NTFS drives here, of the 600GB left from the backup drive, apparently 124GB is available for a new partition. Fucking dammit Windows.

>>52585634
resize it from in linux

windows won't move certain things, linux doesn't give a fuck

see

man ntfsresize

>>52585656
to clarify "move", i mean move data currently in the space you're trying to "chop off", to a place that won't be

>>52585627
yeah, actually I used some extension for downloading mp4 and from that mp3
but now I used audacity to remove noise, and its not that bad, not at all

>>52585656
actually gparted might be easier, it'll update the partition table when you resize as well, which you need to do

plus, y'know, graphics, harder to pick the wrong stuff when it's right there in graphics

>>52585677
Pretty sure you need to defrag from within windows. Then use disk management to resize it.

>>52585708
that would be the usual ("in windows") method, but ntfsresize will also move data out of the way
plus it's not defragmentation that's required, technically, it's compaction (a full defrag would be wasteful)

>>52585656
I did that once trying to get a little more of the main boot drive during an install. It took forever and it was apparently dangerous to kill that process but I did it anyway. It took a while to check itself after I rebooted into Windows. No matter, two of the 4TB drives are for backup already, I can get rid of some of it as I go on.

>>52585754
really, a pure/fast compaction would more than likely /increase/ fragmentation

I installed Debian with the gnome desktop enviorment. How do I change the window manager?

Is there any reason to not use btrfs over ext4 now?

>>52585760
>It took a while to check itself after I rebooted into Windows.
the first thing ntfsresize does it flag the volume as "needs check", it's normal even after a perfect resize for windows to bring up chkdsk
the reason is simply that ntfs-3g has no chkdsk, so it can't do it itself

>>52585819
if you do not make use of the features it offers, then theres no reason for being tester of it

So when can we expect Wayland to save us? 2016 looks like a good year.

>>52585855
I meant is it just as good as ext4 now except you have the option of using extra shit.

>>52585869
nope, its not there yet

>>52585819
just look at some benchmarks and decide.

I've reinstalled arch and I'm still getting this badwindow error when I open steam. I've tried everything the wiki says, I've tried reinstalling nvidia packages and steam packages in various orders and it hasn't changed anything.

Steam: An X Error occurred
X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
Major opcode of failed request:  155
Resource id in failed request:  0x1600005
Serial number of failed request:  150
xerror_handler: X failed, continuing
surface_opengl.cpp (594) : Assertion Failed: id
Assert( Assertion Failed: id ):surface_opengl.cpp:594

>>52585816
install, log out, change session, log in.

Next time use google

How do I add a recycle bin in Linux?
Using a tiling wm instead of a DE.

>>52585819
i've been trying it on and off since 2012

it's close, it might be worth using if;
- you're not using its built in raid5/6 (it works, but the first sign of problems and you're fucked, this is still relatively new)
- you don't mind it currently being slower than competing filesystems in many cases
- you greatly benefit from a feature it has (subvolumes, compression, snapshots, flexible as fuck raid, etc)

if you use none of the fancy features then it's just a (for now) slower ext4

i personally will switch once its raid5/6 is proven solid, for now i use it on small things like my flash drive (compression is handy)

>>52585819
I don't think butterfs was deemed production ready

>>52585965
Apparently 5/6 has come a long way in the past few months and was deemed stable.

>>52585963
Why do you use a tiling WM instead of a DE if you can't even google for such simple issues?

You don't use a graphical file manager?

>>52585949
I did. It didn't work.

>>52585656
>linux doesn't give a fuck
definitely, because linux is a kernel and ntfsresize is a userspace tool from the (unrelated) ntfs-3g project.

>>52586018
I wanted to force myself to learn the CLI by removing the simplicity of the GUI

Anyway google doesn't turn up much info on that.

I am using a GUI file manager though, pcmanfm, and it has a move to trash option.

>>52586052
>I did. It didn't work.
Nah anon, you did it wrong, trust me.Gguessing from your post I have a metric shitton more experience than you.

What WM have you installed?

>>52586008
tell that to the btrfs raid5 i had to restore from backup around a month ago because one disk died, as you know, raid5 is supposed to be recoverable from a disk failure, but not this time, see, it died following a power cut, and the state of the other disks was apparently too confusing for btrfs to handle

i have had no trouble with btrfs outside of raid5/6 for some time, so that i can personally say is pretty stable

>>52586098
I logged out, and it was froze at a blinking white line, so I ctrl+alt+f4 restarted now I'm stuck in terminal mode

>>52585937
holy fucking shit I seem to have fixed it
I removed some intel video drivers architect forced me to install for some reason, even though there's no igpu in my computer

>>52586080
i imagine you felt great pleasure posting that

>>52585869
>is it just as good as ext4 now except you have the option of using extra shit.
Yep.

I use btrfs on everything, works fine. Just don't forget to `chattr +C' any VM images.
(>>52586118 might be right about raid 5/6, though; I haven't tried it)

>>52585969
According to whom and for what purpose?

>>52586081
>I wanted to force myself to learn the CLI by removing the simplicity of the GUI
Protip friend. You look like a retard, not like a pro haxxor.

CLI is a TOOL. You are suppposed to USE THE CORRECT TOOL to accomplish a task.
There are situations where cli performs better than a gui, and there are situations where gui is a lot better than cli.
Acknowledge it you thick-skulled dumbo.

I have no fucking idea where you people come from
>hey /g/ first time using linux installed arch how do i turn on my computer?
>hey /g/ first time using linux didn't want to use noobuntu I can't do <basic task>

Linux skills will come with time, use a graphical environment like a normal human being.

>>52586154
>>52585965
>>52585892
These mixed messages.

>>52586154
>According to whom and for what purpose?
i think rhel is the authority here in this regard

I mean I wouldn't trust gentoo development team or arch devs if they said so and I'm willing to bet you wouldn't do that either

>>52586156
Used Ubuntu for a year, didn't learn anything.
Didn't actually start remembering basic commands until I installed a different distro.

>>52586133
nope, it will run for a bit, then crash without any error in the terminal

>>52586180
>I mean I wouldn't trust gentoo development team or arch devs if they said so and I'm willing to bet you wouldn't do that either
You're the first to mention either of these groups.

Please provide a recent source proving that Red Hat recommends against using btrfs.

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>>52586187
So instead of using your OS for something else than watching animepedoshit and browsing 4chan all day long (and by that learning something) you decided to completely void yourself of those two functionalities. Time well spent.

Look mate ubuntu is not to blame here, you are.

What commands have you learned from not using a GUI?
What were you trying to accomplish by trying to move a file to trash with a cli? Why did that file bother you?

I'm a complete noob.
I'm currently stuck I'm text mode on Debian, no matter how many times I reboot. How do I fix this?

>>52586164
btrfs is at the stage where it's no longer "definately unstable", but also not "proven stable"
officially it's "should be fine for day to day use, but keep a backup"

the main thing left is its failure recovery/fsck (that is, if things go wrong, you have less tools/chances available to recover with), and that comes with time and reports from people using it

then there's the fact that it's not as quick as ext4/xfs (though it is a very different filesystem, it does copy-on-write and checksumming)
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-43-ssd&num=1

>>52586274
What does `systemctl --state=failed' say?

I'm guessing your display manager took a poo-poo

>>52586216
You sound like a bootyblasted btrfs dev lad.
I clearly said "I don't think" trying to imply uncertainty in my opinion.

But sure, have a source
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/ch-btrfs.html?

>BTRFS is a TECHNOLOGY PREVIEW in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.

In Windows, I just copied stuff from App Data and most programs are as they are on my computer. Where would this place be in Linux? Is it on /etc/ or ~ ? Also, it depends on the program, right? I'm curious how moving stuff from Windows qBittorrent would work on Linux qBittorrent.

>>52586296
0 units listed

>>52586245
I know ubuntu is not to blame, it's just that with ubuntu I didn't use the cli much, I forgot almost everything that isn't drilled into my skull, so I chose a wm only, to use it as an opportunity to learn more about the cli.

Basic commands like cp rm, and whatnot.

pcmanfm, a gui file manager had a move to trash option and no delete, just wanted to get that working.

Everything in the trash is still there and it's taking up space, but I can't access it.

>>52586294
>then there's the fact that it's not as quick as ext4/xfs (though it is a very different filesystem, it does copy-on-write and checksumming)
oh, i suppose i should add that these can be disabled (see >>52586154)
i haven't seen benchmarks with them disabled, but i imagine it would be pretty close to ext4 in that case, BUT, you lose copy-on-write and checksumming support (which ext4 doesn't do anyway, so it's not *really* a negative)

>>52586300
"Technology Preview" just means that Red Hat doesn't officially support it in RHEL. Stability is a separate thing.

See: https://access.redhat.com/solutions/21101

Sorry that I sounded butthurt. The "btrfs is unstable" meme annoys me, I guess.

>>52586319
Do you see anything interesting in `journalctl -e'?

>>52586381
Is "<warn> Could not grab port.." Interesting?

>>52586164
if you're unsure, and you're not doing a raid, just go with ext4 for now
you can convert ext4 to btrfs in-place/quickly later on

btrfs does some awesome shit though, can't wait to use it 100%

>>52586525
>you can convert ext4 to btrfs in-place/quickly later on
Not anymore, it's not deemed unreliable after leaving linux 3.x

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>>52586517
Updated version right here

>>52586536
oh, well my post is saying "switch when it's ready", pretty much, as long as they don't give up on that feature, that would include that feature being ready (again)

Which DE should I choose?

>>52586641
Xfce

What distro is a polished, bloatfree, 'just wurks' openbox+lxde?

WattOS is pretty good, but small things don't work like shutting the laptop doesnt put it to sleep. How do I fix this?

>>52586655
manjaro

>>52586655

>>52586690 or antergos

the difference between LXDE and LXQT?

>>52586764
One is going to be deprecated, try google

>>52586764
google?

What the fuck am I going to do with over 19k torrents on Windows? Do I say fuck it and start over on Linux?

>>52586780
Which one? I aint finding shit

Spoonfeed me pls.

So, I decided to jump in with both feet, bought an 80 dollar laptop with well blank hard drives. I have no linux experience what so ever, and I've decided to use Arch.

I'm about to days in, booting from a thumbdrive, and got into the first couple steps. Right now I'm at the partitioning the harddrive spot/ designating space.

This snagged me up, looking for some general advice/ resources.

My overall first goal as a whole is to have it boot from the system instead of the thumb drive.

>>52587011
>I have no Linux experience whatsoever so I decided to use arch
Please be bait

>>52587034
It can work senpai. I did it and I'm pretty damn happy with the result. Took 2-3 days to get everything working to a point I could use the PC for every day tasks though. 2-3 days of on and off work though.

>>52582354
The configuration is loaded in memory. You have to reload awesomewm for the changes to take effect. Default key combination modkey+ctrl+r

>>52582590
>How tf do I get it on my computer
Write the ISO file you download to an USB or DVD. I recommend you use Rufus if currently on Windows.

>>52587034
Well I tried it about 4 years ago, I was reading about some programs that can be used to get someone's wifi password and it didn't work because windows and packets.

/g/ " helped me" after first falling for the gentoo meme, I got going on a dual boot of ubunto. I ended up with two dual boots of linux and deleted my windows half on accident. The thread mocked me with "because packets".

>>52587011
yeesh, see >>52587034

I'm especially confused about the "I'm two(?) days in", yet you haven't installed the OS yet. Like, what the heck? Especially on a pure Arch/Architect installation medium...what have you been doing the past day?

But nevermind that, for now.

For a simple, uncomplicated Arch system, you wouldn't necessarily go wrong with a single root partition. That's just a single partition that covers however much space you need: you don't need to worry about specific space for /home/, for /usr/, or anything like that. And all of your other basic needs are taken care of, too: booting is will be taken care of when you configure it, you can make a swapfile if you need to, etc.

Now, there are reasons behind splitting up the partitions (e.g. portability and safety if sectors fail). But you have to ask yourself if those reasons actually apply to you. IMO, that's the first step to become a "real" Linux user: not just blindly saying yes or no, but actually thinking about whether you really need it.

System-wide encryption is something else to keep in mind.

>>52583886

whatever & > /dev/null 2>&1

The & runs it in background. > pipes the standard output to a file (here black hole) and the 2>&1 pipes the stderr to wherever stdout goes

>>52583700

pacman -Ss package # Search repos
pacman -Qs package # Search installed

Does anybody have a problem with Krita where using the mouse destroys the CPU?
I'm using Ubuntu Gnome, what the fuck is going on?

>>52586764
one's german, the other's cute

>>52586884
what do you mean? start what over?

>>52587034
it's doable, you should at least be familiar with how computers work in general, and be willing to read a lot of things
as long as he goes into knowing it's not going to set itself up, he'll get it eventually, could even be fun (was for me)

>>52582590
definately mint

>Any good sources to learn more about how to use Linux?
that's like asking for sources on how to use windows, actually, it's exactly that
where would you begin?

Any corporate or enterprise equipment you can get your dirty mits on is running linux. All GUIs are a front for some pretty simple scripting. Hey, even OSX is linux based. And all the hipsters know that that's the best thing going. As with any subject, if you are willing to learn then the knowledge and the practice will be yours. Bon voyage.

I suppose I said truth

All hands on deck

SO I am looking into globbing.

What is the difference between:

ls [f]*.txt

and

ls f*.txt

Why the fuck do we need those brackets.

>>52588289
In that case, no difference.
You could use something like:
ls *.[ch]
to find all .c and .h files though

>>52588345

oh thats nice.

So what about ls [ft]*.txt

Would that find all the text files starting with a f or a t?

What is harder? Learning arch or taking Ubuntu and getting a more up to date kernel installed?

I need it for vm stuff that cam in from recent kernels.

>>52588405
Yeah, have a look at this for more: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/globbingref.html

>>52588501

thanks

>>52588482
Perhaps you should compromise with Fedora?

>>52588606

Ill look at it. The name is a huge turn off but it seems ok and I like gnome desktop.

>>52588649
But all the proper ladies love gentlemen clad in fedoras. *tips*

Debating on moving from arch to Opensuse. Should I /g/?

>>52589151
Try it m8.

>>52587011
Install using Architect.

Welp, goodbye Windows. I think I have almost everything sorted, the only things I might miss are foobar and honeyview. Any good alternative? Clementine looks fine I guess, but what about Honeyview? I have to look at my compressed chinese porn comics somehow.

>>52589151
do it.

A cool shell command I learned/made:

ls -Q | sort -R | tail -n 1 | xargs mpv

Gets a list of the current directory and puts individual items in double quotes, sorts the list randomly, takes the last item of the list, and then plays it with mpv. Pretty decent if you have a sizable porn video directory and want jerk off to something randomly.

I'll consider ways to grab a random picture in a folder with lots of subdirectories, too (I know ls -R, but you'd also want the folder name, too).

Learning the command line is kinda fun, not gonna lie.

>>52583122
All popular cli programs have a gui frontend.

>>52589402
Take a look into "find" it's better suitable for this (and better portable doe to locale settings of ls; means the output of ls may differ, find output doesn't).
Furthermore your command could be shorter:

mpv $(ls -Q | shuf -n 1)

Anyways: I always love to see people enjoy scripting!

>>52589649
Here a find example, as function:

rpv() { mpv $(find "$@" -iname '*' | shuf -n 1); }

Save into ~/.bashrc and run

rpv ~/path/porn/

>>52589696
I forgot the quotes!

rpv() { mpv "$(find "$@" -iname '*' | shuf -n 1)"; }

:^)

>>52583122
search

% yaourt -Ss terminus
community/terminus-font 4.40-2
Monospace bitmap font (for X11 and console)

% yaourt -Ss gamecube emulator
community/dolphin-emu 1:4.0.2-13
A Gamecube / Wii / Triforce emulator

% yaourt -Ss retro arch
aur/retroarch 1.3.1-1 (35)
Simple frontend for the Libretro API. Stable version.

>>52589741
>>52589696
>>52589649
I'm sure mpv itself has a playlist shuffle function.

>>52589772

alias rpv='mpv --shuffle'

rpv /path/pr0n/*

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I'm completely new to programming and want to have a taste of "freedom":

Should I dual-boot normal Ubuntu, or Xubuntu on a laptop? I know there's a bot-net or whatever on plain Ubuntu, but are there other glaring differences?

I apologize if this is a question that gets asked a lot. The websites don't really put anything in layman's terms.

To that guy that didn't want to do anything because of NTFS, my computer is panicking a bit copying tens of thousands of images. Anything better than cp for copying for future reference?

>>52590042
Xubuntu is just Ubuntu with xfce as a desktop environment. I ran Ubuntu with xfce for a while until eventually settling on Debian.

>>52590048
rsync

>>52590048
dd

>>52590090
I'll try to get good with that since I need a FreeFileSync replacement.

>>52590092
I've only used dd for bootable images on a flash drive, how would it work without killing the entire drive?

>>52590042
There was a botnet at Ubuntu's Unity spin connected with Amazon. A good reason to avoid anything made by Canonical. So my suggestions for babbies first linux: Linux Mint for learning the debian way or Manjaro for learning the Arch Linux way.

>>52590132
desu, I dont know why /g/ still recommends canonical shit, the amazon thing is something that should never ever happen on any linux distro any everyone should show that shit like this is not welcome and avoid it like you said

>>52590080
So if I ran the Debian Script in the Op, it wouldn't work in XUbuntu? I thought Unity was the DE for plain old Ubuntu.

As I said, I'm a total noob, so I don't know what's different across every desktop environment. What problems might I run into if I used XFCE?

>>52590132
>Manjaro
http://archive.is/JeOLo

>>52590156
http://niceme.me
Your first day on /g/?

>>52590121
i put off using rsync for the longest time because of the overwhelming number of options, but it's actually very simple to use

like, to sync say, contents of /A to /B, preserving everything (like cp -a), it's just;

rsync -a /A/. /B

or with a few common extras;

rsync -avh --progress /A/. /B

(verbose, human readable numbers, per-file progress bar)

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>>52590156
>blogging 100 year old memes
Hello Reddit.

>>52590154
I still haven't looked at that, but it should work on Xubuntu.

You can run most desktop environments on most distributions. Unity, xfce, GNOME, KDE, etc. can all be run on Ubuntu.

If you want something that just wekrs, then get Mint, Xubuntu or Ubuntu with xfce. Try out different enviroments to see which one is right for you.

Next thread: >>52590210

>>52589817
>>52589772
Interesting. Can't believe I didn't think to check mpv's man page.

>>52589649
>>52589741

IMO, I still like my general method at >>52589402, since it's more extensible for, say, playlists.

I figured out the pictures-in-subdirectories problem, too, thanks to you:

find -iname '*' -print | shuf -n 5 | xargs sxiv

So, I could make, for example:

rpp() {
        find -iname '*' -print | shuf -n "$@" | xargs sxiv;
}

And then call "rpp 100" in a porn pictures folder to create a playlist of 100 random pictures in sxiv.

>>52590220
>

shuf -n "$@"

Now this is ebin. Nice idea!

>>52590220
Just leaving this here, because I use mpv for images too:

a) The mpv.conf:

[extension.jpg]
pause

[extension.png]
pause

[extension.gif]
loop-file="inf"

[extension.webm]
loop-file="inf"

b) The input.conf:

CTRL+DEL run "/bin/sh" "-c" "rm ${path} && notify-send -u critical -i mpv 'mpv' 
'${filename} deleted' || notify-send -u critical -i mpv 'mpv' '${filename} could
 not be deleted'"

(for a delete function)

>>52590302
you could use zenity to add a graphical "are you sure" dialog to that delete function

>>52590206
Well, thanks for not asking me to commit suicide for not knowing something. I appreciate the help!

>>52590328
Good idea, will take a look into zenity when sober again!

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>>52590337
it's super easy
example;

% export filename="placeholder.jpg"; if $(zenity --question --text="Are you sure you want to delete ${filename}?"); then echo do it; else echo don\'t do it; fi

>>52590173
I should remember to RTFM. They do nice examples in there.