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At what point does everything become snake oil in terms of being an audiophile?
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>>52579885
Special snowflake cables
Vinyl Records(unless you like collecting them)
"High def" audio formats (24/192Khz - 24/92Khz)
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>>52579885
when you're scared of EM interference over optical cable
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>>52580131
Is that what cable risers are for?
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>>52579885
Once you can't prove in a blind test that X is better or different from Y.
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>>52579885
Once you're hitting 35-40 and your hearing has degraded to such an extent that even Beats would be snake oil.
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vibrating copper
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>>52580269
To raise cables... I guess or more isolation, who knows.
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When you perform an ABX test, which doesn't prove your beliefs and you disregard it.
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>>52579885
There is no point. It either makes a significant difference or it doesn't.
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Any single component priced at over $1000.
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>>52580588
pretty much
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>>52580588
This is just true of everything. When you start outright ignoring evidence that contradicts your opinion, you're acting crazy. Doesn't matter what we're talking about.
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When you're doing anything other than plugging your headphones into your computer's headphone port.
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>>52581025
How about speakers. Where do you set the pricepoint?
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>>52581196
If you have to ask given that extremely simple formula, you're already beyond helping.
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honestly you have to ask yourself this

do you notice a difference in either your existing setup or low quality gear and if so can YOU justify the increase in price.

If the answer is yes for both, than go as high as you want
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>>52579885
Buying snowflake cables, dacs, amps, etc. instead of speakers.
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while were here who here has been to a magnolia design center. I work in home theater in a best buy with one and the place is pretty fucking great. pic related.
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>>52581340
DACs can be useful for computers assuming your using something better than iPod headphones. Not sure about amps but I hear if you want to listen at above 5% volume with something costing more than $250 then you'll need one.
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>>52579885
Headphones past the 800 dollar mark.
Cables past the 20 dollar mark.
With headphones anything past 400 is gonna give you diminishing returns.
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>>52581624
Agree, $500 should be enough for a reference-grade headphone, different brands/models will just have varying sound signatures.

For speakers, the figure is more ambiguous depending room size, but the high point is probably $3000 or so for a single full-range mid-size speaker.
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>>52581596
Not trying to be a dick, but do you know how computers already take the DIGITAL file you're listening to and CONVERT it into an ANALOG signal?
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>>52581773

Not him but don't DACs reduce or entirely eliminate electrical interference from other components.

I mean I remember having a computer a few years ago that was so bad that I literally couldn't wear headphones with it. You just ended with all kinds of low volume noise when certain USB-ports were active or when the graphics card did it's thing and so on. I think a DAC would have eliminated that problem entirely.
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>>52582038
On board DACs are fine nowadays. The only use for a standalone one is if your onboard is crap for whatever reason.
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>>52581624
>With headphones anything past 400 is gonna give you diminishing returns.

That implies that you get linear returns up to that point. I don't think so Tim.
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>>52582038
>>52582073
Ah, so the point is not using a DAC, but an *external* one specifically. I guess if it has its own power supply that could solve a noise problem if you had a shitty mobo.
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>>52579885
If you spend more than $99 on headphones.
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>>52582126
If it doesn't have its own power supply and runs off of USB power you can always buy a cheap, powered hub for it anyway. USB powered DACs can still suffer from poor power.
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when you start to believe there's a physically noticeable difference between 320kb/s mp3 and flac
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>>52581264
So, $2000/pair. Got it.

>>52581727
>$6000
Got it. Thanks.
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>>52582038
I had a problem like that.
When I moved my mouse diagonally I heard noise.
One day it just stopped for no reason and couldn't figure out why.
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>>52582876
That's not how that works. Price stop correlating to quality so well even a little of the way in, the glut of incompetent speaker sellers have seen to that.

Mastering level speakers usually go for 10-15k USD or so. These are good and measure very well, but you could take the cheaper way with bookshelf/nearfield/small floorstanders reinforced by subs for much, much less.
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>>52579885
When you buy headphones looking at anything but comfort, build quality and price.

There's literally no fucking difference in sound quality unless you're buying chink cheap shit.
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>>52581624
anything above a sony mdr 7506 are placebo shit.
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Is this the schizophrenia thread??
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>>52580384

>even Beats would be snake oil

>implying that's not true no matter what your age
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>>52579885

Have they taped hard candy to their cables?
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>>52580112
If you want to digitally preserve vynl, you need all that quality
5kbit/s vynl rips really don't sound much different than 1kbit/s cd rips, but they're there if you want them
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Audiophilia is a condition - like autism - thjat can be controlled with proper diet and sensory control.

However most audiophiles are aging middle-aged men (do grills even into audiophilia?) with disposable income and thus are far beyond the point of salvation. Due to the reporduction of audio being very well understood companies resort to buzzwords, taglines and high prices to attract such a wealthy and stupid consumer base. As ITT shows your own hearing is the limiting factor once you get beyond peanut spending so spending thousands of shekels on gear is pointless as only a few percentage of people can hear such frequencies in their prime, let alone when they are 40+ years old.
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>>52583017
>128kbps

kek
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when your setup starts to look like hornloaded's, you've gone too far
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>>52582805
Sometimes, there is a difference. It's never really much if you do notice it at all. No, I'm not about to go converting ~130gb of MP3 320 to FLAC, but if you have an above-average set of equipment (I don't even bother with DACs or any of that shit) you will be able to hear more, even 320kpbs sounds worlds better.
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>When you start using tubes in your main system because of the "sound quality", and not just because they look cool as fuck and tube amp kits are fun to build.
>When you buy a phono cartridge for over $100
>When you buy prebuilt cables that cost over $10
>When you buy a DAC other than the Behringer UCA202/222
>When you pay a shitload for studio monitors instead of just using a hardware EQ on consumer speakers
>When you spend more than $100 on headphones
>When you spend more than $300 on a brand new amplifier
>When you buy a pono
>When you buy vinyl because "it sounds better than digital" when the mastering is done digitally anyway, and the record was probably cut from the same master as the CD version, which is 16/44.1
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>>52584321
Guilty as charged
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>>52579885
Pareto principle.

At 20% of the price of a high end system, you can get one that delivers about 80% of the high end system's performance.

This is almost true for anything.
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>>52583055
Look at this fag trying to protect his shit sonys.
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>>52586184
they're fine, but you can do better.
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>>52580131
at first I kekd, then I realized that there are actually people like that.

Do they know understand what optical is...
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>>52587408
Light is an electromagnetic signal
Light can be focused into lasers.,
Lasers can cause temperatures high enough to sever TOSLINK cables
Checkmate, atheist.
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>>52579885
>when IEMs use more than one balanced armature per ear
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>>52583463
Doesn't matter, the low quality gets filtered right out with those tubes m8 :^)
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>>52581340
>cables, dacs, amps, etc. instead of speakers.

How are you supposed to convert a digital signal to an analogue signal without a DAC?
How are your speakers supposed to play that signal without an amp?
How do you get that signal from your DAC to your amp without cables?
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>>52579885
when you spend more money on your equipment than the studio the music was mastered in
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>>52587699
>using the smiley with a carat nose
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When you're arguing over whether glass or plastic TOSLINK optical cables sound better.

Seriously

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/toslink-glass-vs-plastic.225649/
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>>52589862
Ah, Hoffman forums. Combining the best aspects of technical ignorance with the best aspects of money to burn.
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>>52589466

cost isn't the best indicator since there's a lot of good used equipment on the market if the buyer is sufficiently well informed

the most important component is the speaker set, since moderate-quality amps/preamps are usually good enough for most people, and many kinds of speakers, if purchased from sane audiophiles, are very well taken care of, and they may be very inexpensive compared to original cost
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>>52589862
>11 pages
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>>52579885
The second you spend more than 10 bucks for a cable.
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>>52584567
>This is almost true for anything.
Except cars, computers, home appliances, televisions, watches... shit, pretty much everything. At least that grill is cute and your post wasn't a complete waste.
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>>52591663
Oh god, a /v/tard.
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>Spending more than £40 on headphones
>Buying an amp/dac
>Buying vinyl because it "sounds better" instead of it just being nice to collect
>FLAC and all other lossless formats
>Literally spending all your time listening to your equipment for any difference instead of the music
Put all that money towards music you want instead
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>>52583025
>10-15k USD
>glut
Got it. Thanks.
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>>52580269
they're made to raise impedance
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>>52591804
Sure thing, moron. Every person who calls you out on your bullshit is a /v/irgin.
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>>52591663
How is that not true for cars? A bugatti is 1.5 million, for 20% of that which is 300,000 you can get plenty of cars that have 80% the performance of a veyron. Also watches even more so after 500 dollars they become a status symbol. So yeah it applies fine.
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>>52579885
The point when you come to /g/ for advice

/thread
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>>52583055
>>52586184
People just use them for the wrong damn thing, they think that since pros use them, then they must be good universally. 7506's were designed with audio monitoring in mind, that is, hooked up to a device with a live unprocessed feed from a microphone, and not listening to music. Their entire sound signature is modeled around making it easy to pick up discrepancies in this type of sound source, hooked up to a nice recorder and microphone(s) they sound great.
Comparing them to a pair of $500 phones I use for music, the 7506 just fall flat: weak muddy bass, distant sound, almost no soundstage, and hyped mids. But I'd also never plug my better phones into a recorder, they just wouldn't work.
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Ask a guy that works in a company that makes audiophile amplifiers and CD players anything.

Company is located in Europe by the way.
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anything above 320kbps and $100 headphones is snake oil
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>>52579885

From the moment you entertain the thought that you have exceptional hearing and that you should pay more to listen to the same audio entertainment that the people you imagine are inferior to you do.
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>>52579885
>owning an audio device

POST beeps are the only sounds you need
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>>52592148
>audio device
>beeps
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>>52591828
>buying music
hahaha check out this riaa shill.
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>>52584197
This is one of the most retarded posts I've seen in a long time.
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>>52592125
I'm sure CD players have stopped being shit sometime by the turn of the millennium and don't matter anymore.

...But at what price point would you consider a headphone amp to achieve best performance before becoming a blatant milking of audiophiles? The highest-end DAC/AMPs I've seen in the professional space top out at $2000. I'm guessing anything over $800 is overkill for a pure headphone DAC/AMP.
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>>52581425
Why are there turkey basters on top of those speakers, Anon-kun?
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>>52580320
This is the only answer
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>>52583046
Well that's just like your opinion, man
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>>52587464
Light is an electromagnetic signal
Gamma rays are also an electromagnetic signal
Gamma rays cause cancer in large doses
Audiophiles are cancer
Checkmate religicucks
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>>52592375
Those are apparently the tweeters. It's a part of the speaker that's usually one of the most over-designed aspects, since higher audio frequencies are more difficult to reproduce accurately. As a result you often see exotic designs and materials being applied in their construction.
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>>52589862

>It stayed for two minutes as the sound became noticeably compressed and hazy, lost air and decay and in general just wasn't very engaging to listen to.
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when giving a fuck stops being enjoyable for you, the listener
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When someoane uses an old Playstation one as an cd player then you got the first sign that he went audioquack
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>>52580269
EM OVER OPTICAL
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>>52582167
I had all sorts of bullshit noises coming from some crappy device on our power grid. When i moved to a external USB DAC it all went away.
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>>52591663
>watches
>"This $1000 premium gold plated shit will display time better than your terrorist casio"
Top lil
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>>52581196
$50 for a pair of speaker is probably a good max. Beyond that is merely placebo for 99% of the people or people who REALLY love LOUD music.
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>>52597708
great advice, paki

>>52597708
for regular computer use: something used for 10 to 50 dollars

for audio if you don't really care about quality: 150 dollars used

for high fidelity: either tower speakers, or bookshelf speakers+subwoofer: from $300 to $1000 used

in the latter case, sometimes you get lucky - there is some really good equipment on craigslist at times - owner just wants to get rid of it - usually tower speakers at 1/2 to 1/10 msrp - a huge deal if you already have the amp and preamp to drive them properly
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>>52589862
>I've been doing weird stuff and less weird stuff to stereo equipment ever since I had stereo equipment. Lots of these things make a difference, not always for the better. Least obvious to me was proper supports for solid state electronics. I bet there's people out there still arguing that a SS amplifier isn't affected by what it sits on.
I hate audiophiles.
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>>52579885
I feel like there are people who had money to try out high end stuff and actualy heard more than regular fags. It is well known thing pro musicians can hear more, so why not believe high end gear can deliver more, I think anything beyond of what you can spend for something that is really a gamble is fine.
I dont see an issue buying even cables if they say it sounds better, most gamers buy games they never play or play very little, most chinpkad collectors never actualy used their hardware for more than installing meme distros and ricing them. its all personal preference what you are going to waste money on, its snake oil as soon as you ask someone who has different taste for money wasting
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>>52597708
>$50 for a pair of speaker is probably a good max. Beyond that is merely placebo for 99% of the people or people who REALLY love LOUD music.
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>>52579885

Yes

> audiotards still use vacuum tubes
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>>52581196
get an audio interface and some yamaha hs5/6/7/8 depending on budget. Enjoy never needing another pair of speakers ever.
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>>52580131

I don't know anything about optical cables, but isn't that what ferrite beads are for
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>>52589862
>Science and engineering eventually catch up; in the meantime, some of us have more fun and (we think) better sounding systems

holy fuck, these people
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>>52598350
enjoy never having real bass and a lifeless midrange
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>>52579885
Exactly as much as you pay for.
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>>52580112
I like to think as vinyl as a way to listen to music differently but not at all better. it's like using a tube amp instead of a solid state amp
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>>52598543
my hs8s are bassy as fuck and the midrange is sweet. don't know what youre on a bout m8.
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>>52598388
If you get some superconductor electromagnet powered by a couple gigawatts of electricity, maybe, just maybe, you can have a tiny tiny effect on a beam of light. Of course, even that won't effect the sound reproduction because even the best audio equipment aren't that sensitive to light fluctuations.
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>>52599032

time to get your ears checked grampy
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>>52599986
it's because monitorfag think they don't need a sub
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>>52599032

>He thinks bookshelf sized spekrs produce actual bass.

Dude, naw.
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>>52583046
Where can I find more of this кoт???
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>>52600246
>thinking 8 inch cones dont produce bass

i'd hardly call the hs8's bookshelf speakers. they're massive.

>>52599986
find me some so called 'booksshelf' monitors which go down to 40hz at the same price point as hs8s and ill eat my words.
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>>52598707
This. I can ABX vinyl vs CD at similar bitrates but because I'm listening for certain features, not necessarily more clarity or anything.

honestly, vinyl rips and tube amps are a meme.
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>>52580112
>Vinyl Records(unless you like collecting them)
Very true. I have a small collection and I can't notice the difference between vinyl and 320CBR mp3, let alone flac. Records are about the experience. The quiet pop of the needle is sort of ASMR inducing. They're something to talk about when you have company over.

So in other words, pure hipster bullshit, but actually quite nice.
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>>52584567
paretto is about wealth distribution. doesn't apply to all that much.
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>>52591633
I like braided cables because my kittens are fucking retarded and liable to chew on them. longer cables tend to cost more. when the cable carries an analog signal, I'm willing to spend a wee bit more.
however, those going on about $50+ cables for anything under 30 feet are retarded.
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>>52591663
>Implying it isn't true for computers
might not be exactly 20%/80% but still. Spending $1000 on a Titan is not going to get you anywhere near 5x the performance of a $200 960.
>appliances
>implying you shouldn't spend as little as possible on all of your appliances except for your oven and range
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>when you are spending more than $1000 on one piece of hardware

>when you are spending more than $100 on headphones

>when you are spending more than $40 on headphones
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>>52599986
huh? 50Hz flat is pretty fucking good for a slightly-larger-than 1 sq. ft. unit that goes up to 30Khz at about -6dB. I mean, if you wanted bass response you could just sacrifice some volume and EQ down all your other frequences to -10db to bring your bass response up to 0db at 38Hz.
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>>52603814

except that would sound like shit
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>>52602518

Are you really so butthurt that you can't think clearly anymore.
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>>52603629
Poorfag.
Listen up boyo. Just because you can't partake in expensive hobbies doesn't mean their bogus, it only mean you my good sir, are broke.
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>>52580320
11/10
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>>52580320
its so dumb my dac magic 300 vs some random 50$ dac in a double blind we couldent tell the difference
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>>52599986
50hz is pretty respectable
Some floorstanding speakers barely reach that low
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>>52603629
Hey dumb nigger, pro audio is expensive
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>>52604217
>>52604413
>>52603629
My headphones cost 130€, I'm just baffled by by how people in this thread set the bar for being a audiophile.
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>>52604427
Pro audio != audiophile
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>>52604443
nice try though
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>>52579885
All of it is "snake oil".
People will argue. These people are in the same category as homeopathic medicine supporters.
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>>52604107
Oh yeah? I bet you couldn't even tell the difference in distortion in a blind A/B test at 90dB or so.
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>>52604647
Stop being a retard
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Over $150 for a DAC
Over $600 for an amp
Over $500 for headphones
Over $1000 for speakers

Completely arbitrary and I have nothing to back that up other than experience
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>>52604738
I'm not the one reading the thread before posting
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>>52604738
>Retard calling out the other retard
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>>52604826
>Over $150 for a DAC
For DAC's I would put it at around 100$
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>>52604826
ehh, I think you need to be more specific. DACs I've never really found that important (shitty motherboard one vs $500, heard no difference), so I agree there

amps on the other hand can vary widely. while I've never purchased an amp for $600, I've bought used ones for $200-300 which went for three times that new. the more wattage (with low distortion) will cost you more, the more features etc will increase price as well. that being said, if you're ONLY doing audio, I don't think most people could tell the difference between a Yamaha A-S501 and a A-S301. but if you want a high powered amp to drive inefficient speakers, you're gonna need a power amp and preamp, which almost always exceed $600 combined

headphones I completely agree

speakers again, depends largely on the type and their applications. I can't understand how people can pay $1000 for a pair of speakers smaller than my head with 2" woofers with an efficiency of like 63dB. who cares how accurate they are when you have to feed them so much power your amp starts distorting? but good floor standers range from $800 to $2000, so that's justifiable
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>>52604826
unless you have some super special headphones that need 1000 watts to function properly $600 for an amp is retarded.
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>>52606532
Well maybe the amp is for the $1000 speakers... I have an amp that was probably $600 new. It's pretty good.
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>>52604728

and yet i would since you'd be playing those speakers at one half volume to attempt to EQ bass that the mini-woofer can't produce except by boomy distortion

are you really this much of a faggot that you can't accept reality
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>>52606602
>I'm deaf so I need at least 100dB SPL.
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>>52582038
maybe a stupid question, but couldn't you just solve that with a $10 ground loop isolator?
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>>52582038
A good DAC would eliminate the problems you mentioned, but not all DACs are good.

>>52606647
I don't think so, we're not really talking about multiple separately-powered pieces of gear creating a hum because of different ground/power voltages....
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>>52606674
yeah when you put it that way I can see the what the difference is. Thanks
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>>52592375
>>52592988
The reverse horn is meant to reduce distortion.
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>>52600087
Monitors+sub is god tier. Don't get why so many here are afraid of subs. 50hz is ok, but full range is so much better.
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If you're going to compare something like $50 headphones to $500 headphones, you better have owned or done extensive listening to both. Of course somebody with $50 headphones is going to think $500 headphones are pointless, if he were to own both he'd change his mind real quick.

After a certain point things are mostly placebo but that point doesn't exactly have to be at the $50 mark.
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>>52582805
There is a 100%, completely noticeable difference between my copies of 320 MP3 and FLAC versions of the metallica black album.
ATH-M50 + Fiio E17
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>>52598707
Pretty much why I sometimes use my old iPod nano instead of my phone for music.

It doesn't sound better or worse, but it does sound different.
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>>52606615

>Hey guys thanks for coming to my party. Can everyone please talk real low. My speakers... they don't play that loud. Well they do, but I want bass so I suppress the entire spectrum to match the c.uc.k bass response and... guys..... guys ... .. .
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>>52607021
>uses studio monitors for a party
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>>52598350
>>get some yamaha hs5/6/7/8 depending on budget. Enjoy never needing another pair of speakers ever.
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>>52579885
When it is demonstrable that the gear has absolutely no impact on the sound or its quality.

I have heard plenty of higher end audio equipment that sounds amazing, but costs a king's ransom. Not everyone can hear. Not everyone wants to pay those prices. Most of my everyday needs are met by lower end gear.

There is no shortage of nonsense and snakeoil on the market. I'm not sure where they attempt to sell the stuff. Any reputable hi-fi store (what few are left) wouldn't even think of pushing that nonsense when the real gear is pricey enough.

Thing about audio is that it often brings out the culture clash between the satisficers and the maximizers. Satisficers really don't give a shit about audio as long as it hits their personal "good enough" mark. Maximizers really will want to get the most out of their experience and run risk of being duped if they aren't informed.
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>>52607488

Your approach is reasonable. You have to take into account the unreasonable factors. Some people make a lot of disposable income and have nothing to do with it. There is a certain feeling associated with "audiophile" products that is seductive. It has a chance of bringing greater order or clarity to something ephemeral. Even though it does nothing in reality, it feels great. It's much like the Mac aluminium body meme. Or the new car feel. Some people pay $3000 more for an amplifier with good trade show word of mouth for being innovative, and for shiny or edgy appearance. Sane people stay the fuck away from this fringe, but its the part of the market that touts cables costing more than my work vehicle.
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>>52604826
>>52606004
>>52606532
>>52606597
Really depends on the application. $600 for a headphone amp is fucking ridiculous. $600 for speaker amps really isn't. Like, what if you have some 7.2 dolby atmos home theater? Bare minimum for the receiver/amp right there is $600, and those aren't even very good.
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Does anyone have that audiophile gif where the guy is pretty much crying and moving around as if he was having some emotional breakthrough or some shit?
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>>52604290
Itll make you feel even worse when you do it against a 20 dollar dac and realise there's no difference.
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>>52606838
This.
I'm so sick and tired of hearing people with bad headphones and even worse gaming headsets just saying shit like it's pointless to have more expensive ones or it doesn't matter or other bullshit.
If they've ever tried them theyd realize how much of a difference there is and how nice it is to have stuff that sounds good.
Granted money isn't the determining factor in how good headphones sound either, expensive headphones such as the HD800s arent perfect and because of that someone might prefer a different sound signature on headphones that are much cheaper, like the 150-300 dollar range and so on.

Point is audio is subjective but people are retarded for saying there's no point in having nicer headphones.
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>>52608963
borderline audiophile here

i recently got these speakers, and an upgrade to my amplifier, and the output from these speakers is so good they bring me to tears

not being ironic or shitting you
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>>52608963
This?
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>>52611646

supposedly it's because he refuses to lower the max volume on anything but that's just what I've heard being shitposted on /g/
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>>52604826
nobody needs more than an ODAC.
it is as neutral as any high-end benchmark DAC and costs like $80 to build. You can get it prebuilt from JDS Labs for $150 if you can't into soldering.
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>>52583046
steve..
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>>52611700
It's because he's overacting, he's just saying the treble is shit. He's listening to shit jazz with piercing sax so that's why.
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>>52580112
>high def audio formats
Some of us still have our hearing gramps
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>>52579885
AMP is the upper limit in what I consider acceptable and even then they are overemphasized. When you are looking to spend over $500 on headphones you should be looking into speakers.
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>>52612081
>sound signatures in amplifiers and DACs
Come the fuck on Anon.
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>>52612178
>he can hear frequencies above 20 kHz
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>>52579885
Cables are complete BS and high end DACs/amps are a meme unless you have HD800s or Stax or some shit.
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>>52582038
You had an unused audio-in port on your computer set to "listen" you retard.
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>>52592002
$90,000 BMW m5 has 500 horsepower
$22,000 Nissan Altima 2.5 has 180 horsepower

Pretty big difference
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>>52607488
that is my literal gato
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>>52598192
>It is well known thing pro musicians can hear mor

Not sure about that.
Violinists in orchestras suffer from hearing loss because they sit perpendicular to the horn players. Rock musicians often turn deaf when they're in their mid 40s.
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>>52613657
What Nintendo Game Paks do you own?
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>>52579885
Even being an audiophile makes you prey for snake oill salesmen
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>>52611646
They don't show you the guy who's stabbing him.
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>>52601515
his name is kot jazz aka blini cat
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>>52589862
Do these people believe their own bullshit or is it just an ever-escalating bullshit-off to try to impress people?
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real talk, good speakers are amazing
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>>52613216
>hearing frequencies that aren't even on the master recordings
>hearing all those extra bits of depth on a recording with a noise floor of about -70db made with bog standard equipment and noisy main power
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>>52598192
talking about layers of sound, recognition of notes, and etc. u might thing this is bs, but its proven
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>>52598192
>It is well known thing pro musicians can hear more

I think it's just that musicians listen to music very differently
People who listen to music casually while doing other things, such as playing games, excercising etc don't pay that much attention to finer details. They listen to the main melodies, lyrics and all that basic stuff that essentially is the song. They listen to the song as a whole and don't try to separate different elements in music.

Musicians, producers and other people who are interested in audio and music production listen and pay attention to different layers of the music, listen to the production, arrangement, perhaps what equipment was used to achieve a certain sound, mic techniques etc.
Some of it you just can't hear when listening through a cheap pair of headphones or speakers.

TL;DR "pro musicians" listen to music differently and require a bit better equipment than your basic iPhone earbuds to do so
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>>52611646
Yep thats the one, thanks.
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>>52616184
Musicians probably have worse hearing than most people. I've been heavily into making music for a number of years, have spent hours wearing headphones and now have tinnitus and moderate hearing loss in one ear.
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At the beginning and then all throughout
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>>52617481
I'm not saying that musicians have better hearing, just that they listen better. They sort of "search" for elements in the song that could easily be looked over by someone who isn't really interested in them. It's sort of like wine tasting; someone can take a sip, say "yeah that's wine" but a wine critic notices all sorts of different notes and hints of flavour.

Yeah man my hearing is great otherwise, but I have a slight tinnitus in my right ear. Probably from singing and playing in a band for 5-6 without earplugs. I know, dumb as shit.
But what is strange that I saw two live shows a week apart from each other other. One was really loud and I was in the middle of the crowd without plugs, the other I had bought earplugs for. After the first show I had a slight ringing in my ear but the next day it was gone. Then after the second show I went back to the studio where I had already spent around a month, I did some vocals for three days and at the end of the third day when I went to sleep I noticed a ringing. For me it's strange that nothing major happened after the live shows or adter 5 years of band practice and gigs but then recording vocals and wearing headphones on moderate volume like I've done countless times before triggered this.

I read that tinnitus can be amplified or caused by neck and shoulder issues. I'm hoping it's not permanent and that it's caused by my stiff shoulders, since it gets more noticeable and annoying when my shoulders are really messed up. I rarely notice it when my shoulders are better.

Alot of musicians have a loss of hearing or tinnitus that is true. Tom Arya, Neil Young and Will I am to name a few.
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