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Please help
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tiling window managers
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>>52577546
You can use it as an excuse why you are always at home.
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>>52577546
you don't have a copy of windows 7 or 8.
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>>52577546
>it's free
>it just werks
>powerful software
>faster than windows
>no abusive telemetry

just to name a few.
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>>52577546
It is excellent in a server environment. (The *BSDs are arguably better, but fewer people are familiar with them so support is less likely.)
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>>52577689
>powerful
>cant do jack shit on it but shitty terminal coding for desktop threads
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>>52577732
the fact that you're an illiterate baboon that can't do shit on ganoo+loonix doesn't mean the world is just as stupid as you my friend.
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>>52577546
Tiling window managers
Package managers
Not being totally clueless if you have to set up a server

That's all the reason I need.
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>>52577553
what is a tiling window manager and why do I need it?
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>>52577732
The only thing I can't do on it is play my games. Fedora 23 handles most desktop use. Even on Windows I try to use the terminal when I can, it's just faster and easier times. Especially with mpv, YouTube-dl and ffmpeg.
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>>52577732
It is more powerful
How many filesystems can windows read?
Do your have any idea how broken and useless windsock is?

I could list a billion reasons but I already have in threads similar to this one, so I don't want to again
By the way did your know Linux runs on more devices than windows and OSX combined, if you account for embedded devices, that should tell you how flexible and versatile it is
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>>52577751
>still doesnt list any good uses
ayyy
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>>52577546
What are you going to do instead? Use Windows botnet 10? pay too much for a botnet mac?!? Stupid spying leaves no other alternatives.
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>>52577546

If your business requires anything even closely related to servers or the internet, you should know your serverside management shit on Linux.

Else, you need to pay someone on /g/ to do it for you.
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>>52577546
Package manager.
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>>52577761
>open a window, it opens in fullscreen
>open another one, the windows appear sie by side or on top and bottom and resize automatically
>open a third one and the windows auto-resize and place to be in a grid-type layout
>the actual layout is customizable
You can jump between the windows or switch layouts with customizable keyboard shortcuts. Makes multitasking very convenient.
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>>52577787
Windows doesn't spy on you, it's just a bunch of FUD.
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>>52577777
nicely done
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>>52577546
I have the implicit right to share as many copies as I like. I am implicitly allowed to do this in public in full view of everybody. None of this is true for any software that is not free.
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>>52577777
Quints of truth.
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>>52577787
What do you have to hide anon?
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>>52577546
>Please help

It gives you a false impression of being good with computers.

You can feel superior to winfags who pass their time making money and fucking their girlfirends.
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>>52577810
Bank details
Passwords
Pictures of loved ones

Just to name a few
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>>52577804
Says who? where?
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>>52577804
Yes it does. That's literally what telemetry is.
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>>52577827
Literally none of that is sent to Microsoft.
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>>52577827
>2016
>not using gamestop as a bank
kill yourself
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>>52577814
Every GNU Linux user I have come across can install an operating system and change hardware, but a windows counterpart can't even do that.
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>>52577838
Windows Telemetry is anonymous. What point is there to "spy" on someone that you have no idea about?
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>>52577637
>you don't have a copy of windows 7 or 8.

It's probably the only good fucking reason.
Actually I would install a pirated copy of Windows 7, before suffering Linux again.
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>>52577838
If you consider them tracking your searches "spying" then you should probably stay off the internet completely, because that's what every website does.
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>>52577546
A file system layout that makes sense.
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>>52577863
pajeet, pls go
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>>52577637
>you are poor

The only legitimate reason to use Linux.
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>>52577546
>>>/g/desktop/
take a look ;)
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>>52577849
Like you fucking know. Quit your bullshit.
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>>52577857
>Every GNU Linux

GNU/Linux or GNU plus Linux

>user I have come across can install an operating system and change hardware, but a windows counterpart can't even do that.

reaaaaaaaally
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>>52577546
No registry.
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>>52577881
oh, guess that doesn't work
>>>/g/desktop
try now ^
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>>52577883
Uhh you can track exactly what is sent to them yourself, none of that is.
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>>52577546
Versioned shared libraries (no DLL hell).
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>>52577546
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>>52577863
if you are a dumbass and allow cookies and surf while you are signed into gmail and don't clear all browser data constantly.
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>>52577546
Better kernel/userland separation (no fucking font rendering in the kernel).
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>>52577859
https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~shmat/shmat_oak08netflix.pdf

>We present a new class of statistical de-anonymization attacks against high-dimensional micro-data, such as individual preferences, recommendations, transaction records and so on. Our techniques are robust to perturbation in the data and tolerate some mistakes in the adversary’s background knowledge.
>We apply our de-anonymization methodology to the Netflix Prize dataset, which contains anonymous movie ratings of 500,000 subscribers of Netflix, the world’s largest online movie rental service. We demonstrate that an adversary who knows only a little bit about an individual subscriber can easily identify this subscriber’s record in the dataset. >Using the Internet Movie Database as the source of background knowledge, we successfully identified the Netflix records of known users, uncovering their apparent political preferences and other potentially sensitive information.

saying "it's all anonymized, it doesn't matter" is meaningless. You can easily connect 95% of the records in an "anonymized" dataset to real identities. If the data is being collected at all, it's in no way anonymous.
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>>52577931
What? the font rendering is done by the windows kernel? What the fuck, why would they do that? because its a hybrid kernel?
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>>52577931
Kernel font rendering was quite sensible back in the time when it was first implemented in Windows. They keep it in there in this age because "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
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>>52577897
So you are sure that there is no government mandated data collecting back door? I think I've heard people and companies saying that the government forces them to but data collecting back doors into all their shit.
Just because it seems like it isn't bad doesn't mean that it is actually good. You don't have a fucking clue what's going on, but it has been pretty well exposed that lots and lots of tracking goes on. Quit lying to yourself and accept the fact that Windows is shit and a total government spying pawn.
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>>52577966
well, the font rendering is shit compared to Linux. So it seems a little bit broken.
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>>52577553
These exist for windows. So this isn't a good reason
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>>52577546

On desktop? None!
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>>52577988
They exist? Which ones?
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if you have no reason, then don't use it.
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>>52577951
The Windows computers of times past had very limited computing power. Kernel font rendering was designed to minimize the need to switch from kernel mode to user mode and this represented a significant performance enhancement in that age.
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>>52577951
They also do scrollbar rendering in kernel. It is just as retarded as it sounds.
http://breakingmalware.com/vulnerabilities/one-bit-rule-bypassing-windows-10-protections-using-single-bit/
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>>52577546
Doesn't require the newest version in order to run on skylake and newer.
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>>52577981
>well, the font rendering is shit compared to Linux

No
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>>52578024
Yes
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>>52578002
someone wrote a list on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/2rn775/best_tiled_window_manager_for_windows/
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tiling window managers are for NEETS in desktop threads
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How do I become a trap?
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>>52577966
>>52578017
Removing memory protection also represents a speed benefit. It would be just as retarded as rendering fonts in the kernel, considering that fonts run in an exploitable virtual machine to determine font hinting.
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>>52577948
> We demonstrate that an adversary who knows only a little bit about an individual subscriber can easily identify this subscriber’s
record in the dataset.
So tell me anon, which little bit "about a Windows install" will easily identify this computer?
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>>52578038

Why?
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>>52578053
which settings and preferences you use
which applications you have installed
which applications you use
when you tend to use them
system configuration information like language and time zone

Windows telemetry collects all of this. Of course we don't know that it's not just reporting a unique identifier under the hood anyway.
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Please stop this recurring baity thread.
Anyone on /g/ should already know this, but I'll write out out for you again, since I'm triggered AF.
The main reason anyone has to use linux is tinkering. If you like tinkering, linux is good for you.

There are many excuses for using linux, including:
- It's free
- It's Free
- It's lightweight

But the only reason anyone ever actually switches to linux as a main OS, is to tinker.
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>>52578092
>But the only reason anyone ever actually switches to linux as a main OS, is to tinker.

Finally someone who tells the truth
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>>52578092
Or, you know, real technical advantages such as:
>>52577789
>>52577870
>>52577892
>>52577904
>>52577931
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I like it solely for managing files, partitions, and other operations from terminal.
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>>52578112
Why do you believe that other people are not telling the truth? Why do you believe they are intentionally lying to /g/?
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>>52578112
I switched to Linux because windows 10 had 73 minute boot times on a fresh install with constant 100% disk usage. My hard disk is probably failing though, but no trouble since switching.
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>>52578092
amen brother
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it's interesting
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>>52578136
>Or, you know, real technical advantages such as:

Hey mom, i deleted Windows 7 from your computer and I installed Linux.
What? Videos are choppy? Who cares!
Don't you like the better kernel/userland separation?

Morons.
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>>52578076
Windows XP font rendering.

There.
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>>52578161
>Why do you believe that other people are not telling the truth? Why do you believe they are intentionally lying to /g/?

The problem with linuxfags is that they are so over the top invested in their operating system that is damn right impossible to tell if they are real or they are trolls.
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>>52578179
>What? Videos are choppy? Who cares!
where the fuck did you get this from, familia?
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>>52578188
>Windows XP font rendering.

I found linux font worse to the eye. It is just me?
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>>52577967
Windows tracks the same way Google does - anonymized search data used to serve relevant ads. They've been doing this for over a decade on the web, but suddenly when your OS does it, you autists have a meltdown.
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>>52578203
>where the fuck did you get this from, familia?

Try enjoyng videos without hardware acceleration
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>>52578197
The thing about trolling is that you shouldn't have to lie to be a quality troll. "Trolls" who blatantly lie are weak and I shame such "trolling" activity.
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>>52577803

>the most efficient way to multitask
>NO DECENT SOFTWARE TO USE IT WITH

its like having a car with no engine. so sad for you.
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>>52578246
What is "decent software"?
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>>52578235
I don't use Google either for that very reason.
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>>52577777
>How many filesystems can windows read?
Shit reason, senpai.
My audio player supports shittons of formats. How many do I use? 3 at max. Same with video. Same with file systems.
Unless you can show some insanely awesome filesystem that's used in linux.
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>>52578168
So basically you're too poor to replace your hard drive.

Again the only real legitimate reason to use Linux is being poor.
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>>52578237
>thinking Linux doesn't have video acceleration
>being this retarded
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>>52578246
There exists decent software outside of photoshop and gaymes.
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>>52578254
>What is "decent software"?

It has the extension .exe
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>>52578267
>thinking Linux doesn't have video acceleration

Naah, it just lacks drivers.
Totally different thing.
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>>52578270
I'm guessing you mean "call of duty.exe"
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>>52578270
>needing an extension to run a binary
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>>52577546
It's fast.
Dem terminals are useful and make you look cyberpunk as shit.
You can set it to do basically anything.
It's free.
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>>52578264
ZFS. Oh wait that's not in Linux unless you add it yourself.
But seriously, ext4, btrfs, hell even old-ass ext2, jfs, ufs are better than NTFS. But even that is at least better than HFS+.
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>>52578282
>thinking it lacks drivers in this day and age
>being this retarded
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>>52578270
Windows has all the best software because it has 90% market share, so anything good is made and optimized for Windows first.
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>>52578285
>>needing an extension to run a binary

Being stuck in the 70's
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>>52578246
All jetbrains ide work on linux and mac as well. What's your problem?
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>>52578302
>>thinking it lacks drivers in this day and age

It doesn't for my laptop. Just saying.
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>>52578270
sudo ln -s /vmlinuz /vmlinuz.exe

Who knew making Windows fanoys accept linux was so easy?
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>>52578306
>Windows has all the best software because it has 90% market share, so anything good is made and optimized for Windows first.

Also becuase it doesn't break software with every realese. Binary compatibility is not an option.
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>>52578300
>ZFS
without ECC it's useless
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>>52578306
>optimized
>Windows
Get out.Now!
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>>52578339
>Who knew making Windows fanoys accept linux was so easy?

Very clever indeed
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>>52578290
>It's fast
Windows 8.1/10 (7 most likely too, didn't run it for a long time) is faster than all distros I've used (Fedora 22, Ubuntu/Xubuntu, the osxmimicking OS). The interface is more responsive and it's faster at opening 1st and 3rd party software.
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>>52578350
Then don't use it without ECC. Butterface and Extended FS mark IV still BTFO the best Windows has to offer.
>catalytic converters are useless without an internal combustion engine
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>>52577546
1)
you live near north pole and you're good at math
2)
your big brother is a sysadmin and gives you a linux job
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>>52577546
it's hard for me to say that it's for everyone, but i can say this:
using windows or os x feels useful. they feel very well-made and effective in accomplishing tasks. they're perfectly fine if you want to just get stuff done and don't care so much about how.

Linux, on the other hand, is a computer OS for computing. It's messy. Everything's kind of exposed and half the shit i'm used to doesn't work, but there's something about it that makes OS X and Windows feel like unsatisfying lies, like there's an incredible amount of stuff that they don't let you see or touch. It's the difference between backpacking out on your own, and hiking on a premade trail.

If you want to use a computer-as-game console, or computer-as-graphic design device, or computer-as-media-device, by all means, don't use linux. But if you like the idea of computer-as-computer, you might get something out of it. I did.
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>>52578306
>>52578270
You actually chose this way. You chose to let other people control your computing. Now you act as if the consequence of digital colonialism is a good thing.
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>>52578392
Bashing from both sides is idiotic and there's a great middle ground if people would just not be fanboys. I use a w10 pc for gaming and work, and a Linux laptop for downloading. Both camps have pros and cons.
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>>52578417
>You actually chose this way. You chose to let other people control your computing. Now you act as if the consequence of digital colonialism is a good thing.

You are right, Richard.
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>>52577546
>reasons to use linux
1. you want to
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>>52578392
>It's messy.
Really more like the carpet covering the mess isn't nailed down like with the others.

And linux is perfectly usable as a general purpose home OS. The only problem you might really have is either lacking a specific piece of software that works on Windows or Mac or lacking support for whatever hardware you have. Neither is as inevitable as the MS fanboys believe.
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You have a server and not enough money for a good, real unix.
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>>52578355
Sorry but it's the truth. Everything just runs better on Windows because it's heavily tested. Linux is just an unstable hobbyist OS.
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>>52577963
I'm post 81
none of what I said was in favor of windows
fuck you
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>>52577546
sweating
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>>52578392
Most reasonable post in this whole thread, well said.
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>>52577777
owww, checked
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>>52577777
>How many filesystems can windows read?
All that are relevant.
>Do your have any idea how broken and useless windsock is?
Do you have any idea how irrelevant that is? You can make any networking application you could want on Windows.
The fact that you have to initialize and destroy winsock before you can use sockets is merely a minor one-time annoyance for developers.
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>>52578585
most widely used server os
> unstable hobbyist os
>unstable
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>>52577777

looking at 5 7s
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>>52578136
Reminder that windows shills won't address any actual technical points.
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>>52578669

Linux on the server -> good
Linux on the desktop -> bad

Not difficult to understand
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>>52578814
>Reminder that windows shills won't address any actual technical points.

Come at me, bro
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>>52578826
I'd like to interject for a moment:
In my opinion it's
- Linux on lightweight laptop is already good as a daily driver
- Linux on desktop is too lacking (either it's the drivers or the workstation software missing)
- Linux on embedded is undefeated pioneer and not replaceable

Serverworld is a whole other universe anyway, no need to talk about that.
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>>52578667
>networking programming on windows
ewww

>>52578826
>implying /g/ only cares about desktop computers
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>>52578873
>>implying /g/ only cares about desktop computers

Don't be so autistic.
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>>52578866
>workstation software missing
I'm someone who use Linux on my workstation, what exactly is missing?

>inb4 Microsoft Office and Adobe Creative Suite

I don't use any of those, as I'm an engineer and not a graphic designer.
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>>52578216
It's you. If anything, Linux font rendering is better than Windows altogether (OS X will still have the best font rendering).
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>>52578873
So you agree that your argument against winsocks was completely irrelevant? That there are no reasons to use Loonix?
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>>52578873
>implying /g/ is not a board dedicated to shilling consumer electronics
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>>52578897
>"Linux sucks!"
>"then why is it being used on everything from supercomputer clusters to firmware for toasters?"
>"HURR DURR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LINUX ON A DESKTOP MACHINE HERE DON'T BE SO AUTISTIC!!!"
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>>52578826
why say its unstable then?
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The NASA crew on the ISS uses it.
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>>52578866

>- Linux on lightweight laptop is already good as a daily driver
>- Linux on desktop is too lacking (either it's the drivers or the workstation software missing)
>- Linux on embedded is undefeated pioneer and not replaceable

My experience with Linux is hit or miss. I'm the one shilling for Windows in this thread. My point is that you can use Linux if you time is free. To be honest I don't like to fiddle with my OS, even if I am technically capable of doing that.
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>>52578840
Sure.
On top of the issues raised by >>52578136

>NTFS allocator still too stupid to avoid fragmentation like every ever fucking allocator ever
>no fork(), making quickly writing a multiprocess program annoying as shit
>no POSIX
>C:\Windows is a godawful mess
>using the escape character as a path separator
>stupidly low path length limit in Win32 api
I won't waste my time posting more until at least some of these are addressed.
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>>52578916
>"Linux sucks!"

On the desktop, I was quite clear.
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>>52578907
>your argument
There were no argument and it was not me. I can list plenty of reasons why winsocks suck.

>That there are no reasons to use Loonix?
Of course there are plenty of reasons to use Linux if you're writing a networked application.

For starters, do Windows even have anything remotely similar to epoll / kqueue?

Which TCP socket options are supported in WINSOCKs? For example, can you turn on/off delayed acknowledgements?

Does Windows' TCP variants even support latency reducing features such as TLP and ER?
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>>52578950
>On the desktop, I was quite clear.
I'll take "backpedalling" for 500.
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Whatever you do OP, stay away from Arch Linux as a lot of /g/ users have fallen for the Arch meme, like this poor guy:
>>52578660
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>>52578392
I like the hiking analogy. I'd say thats pretty accurate.
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>>52578938
>To be honest I don't like to fiddle with my OS
Ironic, I use Linux on my desktop computer so I don't have to fiddle with my OS, like I do on Windows.
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>>52578972

Maybe you are thinking of someone else.
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>>52578940
>I won't waste my time posting more until at least some of these are addressed.

Those things are all true.
But Windows is still better for 99.5% of use cases (on the desktop, you autistic fucks).
You see, those are not insormountable problems, breaking binary compatibility is.
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>>52578940
>no fork
CreateProcess

The others are true though
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Daily reminder for all Linux fanboys ITT that they probably love UNIX and POSIX and the fact that their OS got designed with these in mind.

Most Linux hardcore fanboys migrated from Windows to it.
People like me, lurking the Linux when coming from Apple (since burf really), see this.

In the end it always comes back to what people think while listening to fuck the system
https://soundcloud.com/trapresent/fts-benasis-trapresent

People will always react different and I claim that the effect these lyrics have on people mostly derive from their main OS.
People forget that they hold a whole system to their head when calling people nowadays (smartphones, you know).
It feels like some people aren't really aware of that yet...
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>>52579073
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because it starts with L which is listed earlier than M for Mac OSX or W for windows

told[x]
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4fags want to be special snowflakes too.
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>>52577546
> He needs convincing
> He does not see the light

OP YOU ARE BLIND AND RETARDED. WE CAN DO NOTHING FOR YOU.
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>>52579057
>99.5% of use cases
>not smartphone
Reminder that android is Linux.
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>>52579131
thank
>>52579142
whole cyberspace is blind and retarded. everybody is blind and retarded on their own way
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>>52578957
>no reply
Why am I not surprised? Winfags are masters at making memes but when actually asked technical questions they don't know shit.
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>>52579143
>>99.5% of use cases
>>not smartphone

Do you know how to read?

>Reminder that android is Linux.

Based on Linux.
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>>52579180
>Based on Linux.

It *is* Linux.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Linux_kernel
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>>52578087
>>52578053

What websites you visit the most
When you visit certain websites
How many words per minute you type on average
How often you reboot
Connected device IDs, be it PCI-E, USB or something else. This is actually a huge fingerprint
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Reminder that:
~ 80% if not more of all root DNS servers are based on POSIX style operating system Linux/Unix
the entire banking system and high frequency trade stock market is entirely based on linux
Cern's LHC sends data to a linux based super computer
~ 90% or more super computers run linux
the city of munich in germany runs its government offices on linux which includes workstations, etc

no reason to use linux
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>>52577860
>>52577637

Lads, I have a Windows 7 iso and I still don't have it installed because Linux is just superior in every way
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>>52579213
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Linux_kernel
actually it is not because android is not merged into mainline

jfyi
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>>52577884
>reaaaaaaaally

It's actually true. Swap out the motherboard or something and you'll have BSODs
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>>52579213

Semantics.
Say, I want to install this Android distro on my desktop. How can I do it?
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>>52577777
>>>52577732
>By the way did your know Linux runs on more devices than windows and OSX combined, if you account for embedded devices, that should tell you how flexible and versatile it is
That's because it costs nothing. A company wouldn't miss any opportunity to cut costs. It's typical for companies to use linux where there's no interaction with a user (servers, embedded devices). Or where the only interaction is with IT staff.
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>>52579264
Well, it's not stock-linux. But as they rebase their code onto the latest stable releases and just add additional Google-proprietary stuff on top of that, I would say that it pretty much is.

Oracle does the same for their Oracle Linux, they have some proprietary stuff they use for optimising how their database server uses the network stack.
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>>52579180
Android is Linux. It is running very Linux indeed. Android runs atop the Linux kernel compiled from the very source code hosted in Linus Torvalds' Git repository and clones of the same.

It doesn't typically have a full or even near-complete POSIX system on it, but that doesn't mean it's not Linux.

If you intend to make informed comments about desktop operating system software distribution, please name the particular one you're talking about. If the issue is known to affect all or a significant majority of them, refer to the approppriate collective, such as "Desktop Linux distros". Whatever you assert, Android runs on Linux just as much as OS X runs on Darwin and Windows runs on the NT kernel.
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>>52577546
>reasons to use linux
1. It's not all NSA'd
2.It's free

other than that, there is literally no honest reason to use it. The biggest reason as to why people like linux so much on /g/ is due to them being tin hat fedora faggots thinking that the NSA is watching them. If I had to guess when the NSA stopped caring about /g/ or any of 4chan would be at least 4 years ago. /g/ is just a scared child thinking that mommy and daddy are going to yell at them for anything. /g/ likes everything so overly complicated to the point that it's like building a castles with legos with no blue prints to it. Don't let /g/ turn you into one of them. It's ok to think a little but when you use windows as your main, you will begin to hate everything and everyone. If you want to feel smart, learn how to use windows. There's nothing windows can't do any more than most of your linux OS'.


gentoo and arch are memes

>>52577827
>i think M$ cares about what i do unless it's illegal! Even then I just use tor to get on facebook!

>>52577963
>>52578197

>people with a brain
>Sorry anons, but I live in a basement with bottles of piss, mt dew and dorritos and my collection of waifu pillows

>>52578050
first, shave your legs.
then you need to pluck your eye brows.
get a nice manicure and pedicure
after that, give yourself a girl name
get a long hair wig
get yourself a "master"
get a tumblr
complain about how no one understands you
admit your 16
begin to take it up the ass
bleed from your ass then freak out that you might of punctured something

>>52578136
>Literally reasons in the real world no one cares about
explain how the average person cares?

>>52578235
>>52578261
>tracking
Oh shit! Not tracking anon! You can always make your life easier and get some tracking tools for your browser so you're not! It's not complicated.
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>>52579057
They most certainly are, though.

DLL hell and the registry make windows damn near unusable the minute you want to do anything complicated.

Stop dodging the points. It was asked what reasons there are to use Linux. I named several, and you admitted they are valid.

/thread
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>>52579334
>explain how the average person cares?
The average person cares about performance and ease of use, which all these posts address.

Not that DLL hell is an issue anymore, but back when it was, it was a deal breaker for many people. You couldn't even install a new program, because the new program might install another version of a DLL that was already there and break one or several other programs in the process.

For performance, if your Skype or video conference tool shits itself on Windows because of lacking features in the Windows networking stack while it works smoothly and perfectly on Linux, then you're gonna use Linux for doing video conference.
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>>52579361
>They most certainly are, though.
>DLL hell and the registry make windows damn near unusable the minute you want to do anything complicated.
>Stop dodging the points. It was asked what reasons there are to use Linux. I named several, and you admitted they are valid.
>/thread

And yet Linux has a 1% marketshare.
Reality matters.
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>>52579308
no oracle just copies rh and puts an lts sticker on it and sells that with ksplice

the entire subsystem on android is different that is why it wasn't merged. to many conflicts etc. android is a fork and will most likely stay one.
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>>52579386
>The average person cares about performance and ease of use, which all these posts address.

No the average person cares about user space vs kernel space.
Meanwhile stupid people care about having a a system that works hassle free.
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>>52579361
y u amd though?
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>>52579386
>DLL breakers
wasn't that during the Vista period?

>caring about skype
I stopped using skype cause it takes up SO much shit with it.
Discordapp is easier
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>>52579387
>And yet Linux has a 1% marketshare.
What do you base this number on? Some random statistics you saw on Wikipedia once?

You do know that this number is based on 10 or so web servers' logged http-agent strings, right?

You do also know that this number is quite some years old now, and back then many browsers on Linux spoof being Windows because of retarded webdevs optimising their code for Internet Explorer.

You do also know that most people don't visit those 10 specific websites?

It's impossible to estimate actual numbers, but here's another number that doesn't mean much: Ubuntu Desktop was downloaded by 40M unique IP addresses in Q3 of 2015.

https://insights.ubuntu.com/about/
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>>52578667
I have to use Linux all the time at my work because Windows won't recognize corrupted partitions, or it will do other strange things like fail to show folders that are on the partition. I work in data recovery, so this is a common thing for me.

Winsocks are not a minor annoyance. I've had computers come into my shop that need heavy registry editing or even full reinstalls because winsocks gets its settings messed up or corrupted. This usually results in the computer not being able to network or being able to network but not load webpages or connect to shared drives.

Just because all you use Windows for is games doesn't mean other people don't use it for real work. And when they do, catastrophic things can happen to an operating system when enough changes. Linux so far is the only system I've worked with where anything catastrophic can be fixed with relative ease.
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>>52579387
Billions of flies can't be wrong: shit tastes delicious.
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>>52579449

Fine 2%.
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>>52579429
>wasn't that during the Vista period?
DLL hell was an issue from Windows 3 up until Windows Vista. I think they solved it completely for Vista or W7. It was only an issue with older software for Windows XP, newer software tended to use MSI installers which handled DLL dependency properly.

>>52579410
>no oracle just copies rh and puts an lts sticker on it and sells that with ksplice

They also have custom kernel modules that they build with their kernel, and these are not in the kernel tree.

>the entire subsystem on android is different that is why it wasn't merged. to many conflicts etc. android is a fork and will most likely stay one.
It's not so many conflicts, it's more that all the code needs to be reviewed and getting stuff into the kernel is a really slow process (which is why Google rarely bothers doing so).

For example, I and a couple of other guys sent a patch in October that's still being reviewed.
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>>52579476
>Billions of flies can't be wrong: shit tastes delicious.

This retort was good in middle school.
Wait, you probably are in middle school.
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Another soft ware you can tinker with endlessly.

I love learning the command line and constantly working on my work environment. I think there are some jobs out there that also value a good level of familiarity with it.
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>>52579523
I don't know why everyone say Linux is so good because you can tinker with it. Personally I use Linux because I DON'T have to tinker with it.

On a fresh install of Windows, I need to manually configure everything and install software manually. On a fresh install of Linux, I just copy my dot-files from my repo and install the meta-package I made a couple of years ago that installs all the software I need. It's literally done in a matter of minutes, no need to endlessly configure how I like my desktop to look like or install software I need, I just do it with a single step.
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>>52579503
i am not much familiar with oracle desu, i only do rhel, but as far as i know they tried(did?) change ksplice licensing and distribute that

>>52579523
they don't value you though, do yourself a favor and stay in a lab than going into enterprise IT
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>>52579593
What's a meta package?
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>>52579648
i have no idea where that desu came from
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>>52579593
If you're the sort who likes looking into configuration options and trying them out one by one, Linux has plenty of that. For the most part, a sane set of options are preconfigured by default so most people don't need to tinker with them.
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>>52579657
In the world of APT and DEB, it's basically just a package that has other packages as dependencies and no software on its own.

More explicitly, the metapackage I made just contains a bunch of repos I add and a list of packages I want to install such as xfce-desktop, libpcap, build-essentials, eclipse, vim, and a bunch of others.
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>>52579657
It's a package includes nothing but other packages as dependencies.
>>52579668
wordfiltering \t\b\h
>>
less money for ms and US
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>>52579668
Word filter

Too many people said "too be honest" "family" so Hiroshima Nagasaki (or rather one mod) made a word filter that replaces these with desu senpai.
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>>52579648
They wouldn't be paying if they didn't value me

>>52579696
So I can basically install arch and install a meta package o also install all the software I'd need making it usable out 'out of the box'?
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>>52579734
Arch Linux doesn't use APT, but yes, you can do that. Most proficient Arch users do.

Actually most proficient Linux users do. You could alternatively make an image of Arch that already contains the software you need, but then you'd need to update that image for every new kernel and new version of the software you use, which is quite a hassle. Also, the full image will take more disk space and is less flexible if you plan on installing on many different machines (with different disks, monitors, GPUs, network adapters etc). In other words, it's easier to just make a copy of your configuration files and make a package for your package management system.

Easy mode is just making a shell script that does this.
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>>52579734
Yes, but you need to actually make that metapackage first and figure out a way to get it on your new machine.
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>>52579734
you != your work, son

nice to know that the mods of /g/ got nothing better to do than that.
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>>52579778
On gentoo this amounts to a single text file.
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>>52577777
wew lad those are some mighty fine numbers
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>>52578445
For the kind of people that frequent /g/, maybe. For everyone else (i.e. "normies", i.e. the people that make up the great majority of people on this planet), haha no.

The moment your answer to a problem begins with the words "go into the terminal", your OS is not usable by the masses anymore.
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>>52577546
>Reasons to use linux

Compiz.
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>>52580029
>On gentoo this amounts to a single text file.

That's what deb meta-packages are too.
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>>52580110
SPINNAN CUBES
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>>52580106
What kind of problem would a normie have on a default installation of Ubuntu that would require him or her to use a terminal?

The only reason you *do* use the terminal is when you do something non-trivial.

>inb4 you use the terminal to install software
You do because it's convenient, but the hand-held way is just to use the graphic package manager or even search the web and just download a .deb
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>>52580029
Yeah Arch PKGBUILD too. My point was that you have to have a system installed at least once to figure out what packages you need in it.
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>>52579287
android_x86 and remix OS
neither of them really make sense compared to *buntu, debian, gentoo, arch, fedora, slackware or opensuse but you can use them.
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>>52577546
You're a hipster
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>>52581155
>but you can use them

You can use a spoon to dig a tunnel also.
I think a tried Android_x86 a few years ago. I don't remeber if it was usable at all, what's the situation now?
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Compose key.
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>>52581163
>You're a hipster

Hipster nowadays use Windows 98 and KernelEx
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>>52577546
- faster than windows
- better looking
- more secure
- you can customize its look just the way you like it
- easier to update
- it has great community

.....
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>>52581260
It actually works pretty good now i tested it out for a few days in summer for mobile games because i had nothing to do.
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>>52581296
>- faster than windows

proof

>- better looking

subjective but whatever

>- more secure

TempleOS is secure too

>- you can customize its look just the way you like it

you probbly can do it on windows but I'm not sure

>- easier to update

and to bork

>- it has great community

Absolutely not.
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>>52581353
>proof
>open windows file manager
10+seconds to load downloads folder
>open thunar
less than a second
>subjective but whatever
that's the point. on GNU + Linux you can change how it looks fairly easily, on windows you can't
>templeOS is secure too
no it isn't, Linux is heavily audited and so are GNU packages
>you probbly can do it on windows but I'm not sure
maybe if you install GOW or cygwin and use unsecure hacks but it's a pain in the ass
>and to bork
tell this to the people who get malware on their computers, if you are not retarded it won't be fucked (if you don't use a timesink distro)
>absolutely not
do you think /g/ is an accurate representation of the whole community? even then /flt/ used to be more friendly than pretty much every other thread on this board.
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>>52577860
you want a spare win 7 key? I can't find a use for it
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>>52581464
>do you think /g/ is an accurate representation of the whole community?

No /g/ is friendlier/funnier
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>>52579288
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA FUCK YOU MAN!
Enjoy your fucking phone on NT!
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Why hasn't this been posted yet?
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>>52582662
Is that typeset in TeX? Beautiful.
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>>52577546
There are no niggers in the linux community
>>
You can escape "the evil botnet" and jerk off to your terminal window, who needs productivity anyways
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>>52578973
The only meme around here is you!
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>>52578049
>enjoys clicking and doing things 3 times as slower as it would take pressing key combinations
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Why the fuck is Linux all zoomed out? I have to zoom in to read any page I browse.
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>>52577546
It suits your needs. That should be enough.
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>>52577546
dumb proof security
you can tweak almost anything as you want

i like your need to be a succesfull troll, but man, take it easy, some people find linux useful, stable and secure, maybe you dont, it´s fine, don`t rustle your jimies. Peace.

currently using winbugs, have used mac OS and linux (debian, fedora, ubuntu), some people get used to a system, it´s fine.
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>>52583222
also, check my triplets
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>>52577546
btrfs

backups and experiments have never been this easy

General linux-only tools that are just fitting technologies for this advanced day and age but only exist in linux because windows has 0 incentive to do better.
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>>52583096
what?
are you on a hidpi screen? which browser?
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>>52577689
>>faster than windows
tell that to my XP, I dare you!
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>>52583471
tell that to my i3
>>
It doesn't have shit memory management
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>>52577546
it is not windows
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>>52583275
I got a Thinkpad X1 Carbon for Christmas, it came with windows 10 and I decided to dual boot Ubuntu 14.04 and there are problems I can't fix. The zoomed out pages are annoying. When I hit Firefox or Opera or any browser, the pages looked like I hit zoom out a couple times. I have to zoom in manually to read it but the screen follows where my mouse is when I do so. Very strange. Pic related, is this normal?
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>>52577546
Package managers allow you to install and uninstall programs in a single step. They prevent programs from having multiple copies of the same dependencies (like VC++ Redistributables on Windows), and when you uninstall programs, any dependencies they installed are removed (unless another package is using them). It's a much more structured and sensible way of installing programs.

You can swap out most parts of the system to choose programs that you prefer. In general, Linux/UNIX programs are designed to be small, modular, and easily work with other programs.

Linux takes up much less space than a typical Windows installations, and is easier on memory.

Almost all of the OS and user programs allow you to inspect, modify, and redistribute their code, meaning that people are able to make sure your software isn't spying on you or sending your data to anyone.
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>>52583567
i really have a hard time understanding what your issue is but your zoomed in screen following your mouse sounds weird. maybe >>>/g/flt can help you.
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>>52582794
It's typeset in TeX, but it sure as shit isn't beautiful. Either the font rendering is fucked, or it's been saved as a JPG in the past.
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>>52583096
Maybe you should post a) the distribution you're using, b) the desktop environment you're using, and c) a screenshot of what's happening.
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>>52583640
I'm trying to download Gyazo for linux to take a screenshot but it won't let me, I don't even know which version to download. This terminal shit is awful. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04, no idea what desktop environment I'm using it just came with Ubuntu so I assume default.
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>>52577546
>it's free
>it's fast
>package managers make it easy to install/uninstall software
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>>52583674
why do people do this?
do you have a screen with a high resolution? because if you do, you need to change your scaling just like in windows. theres something in the settings.
seriously, just ask in >>>/g/flt
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>>52583719
You seem like a clueless person who's out to complain, won't be able to take advantage of Linux, and would be better off sticking to Windows. But I'll try to help anyway.

>I'm trying to download Gyazo for linux to take a screenshot
Ubuntu has a built-in screenshot utility; there's no need for some terrible proprietary screenshot utility. Go to the dash (press the super key) and search for "Screenshot".
>but it won't let me
This isn't enough information. What is "it", and what won't it let you do?
>This terminal shit is awful
See the opening sentence of this post.
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>>52583616
>>52583750
>>52583640
pic related, manage to screenshot the thread. look how zooomed out it is.
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>>52583816
>2495x1416
as i said, hidpi, go to the display settings and set scaling to 2
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>>52583798
I just got linux, earlier this month. Im trying to fixture out this shit on my own. I apologize for being vague but I cant describe my problem well. Hopefully the screenshot i posted, which i figured out before you told me there was an option to screenshot. even as i reply on this laptop, the box to reply is small i have too zoom in to see what im typing and fix any errors
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>>52583816
Okay, thanks. Can you post a screenshot of the entire screen? I'm wondering if DPI scaling is off for the entire system, or whether it's just Firefox.

To fix the system-wide DPI scaling, go to the Settings program, then Displays. There should be an option for "Scale for menu and title bars"; adjust that until things look the right size to you.

To fix the DPI scaling in Firefox, go to about:config and set layout.css.devPixelsPerPx to something above 1 (start with 2 and go from there until it looks right).
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>>52577546
person preference, only reason I need
now fuck off
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>>52583862
It's cool, I understand. In general, you'll get a better response if you don't ask questions aggressively :)
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>>52583851
2 didn't help, it only made everything but what im browsing. I'm a retard and hit 3 now it's so big that I can change it back fuck linux is so hard
>>52583881
I was on opera when I took that screenshot. It's for all browsers
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>>52583985
>2 didn't help, it only made everything but what im browsing.
That is literally what I explained in my post, which is why I provided instructions for adjusting both the system-wide DPI and the browser DPI.
>I'm a retard and hit 3 now it's so big that I can change it back
To fix the system-wide scaling, try running
gsettings set com.ubuntu.user-interface scale-factor "{'eDP1': 10}"

>I was on opera when I took that screenshot. It's for all browsers
I don't use Opera because it's shitware with no advantages over Chromium or Firefox, so unfortunately, I can't help you. This StackOverflow thread:

http://superuser.com/questions/227918/how-can-the-default-zoom-size-be-set-in-opera

has instructions on how to adjust the DPI scaling in Opera.
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>>52577988
They exist for osx too
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>>52584087
I ran that in my terminal and it didn't do anything. What was supposed to happen?
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>>52578040
Hello, Reddit!

>this is what winfags actually put up with
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>>52584180
It was supposed to reset the DPI scaling so you could access the settings again. There is a StackOverflow post here:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/440958/is-there-any-way-to-set-the-display-scaling-back-to-default-other-than-from-the

about the same problem you seem to be having.
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>>52578235
>they've been doing this for over a decade over a networking protocol with a very limited set of ways to harvest information from users
>suddenly it's built into the OS with absolutely no limits or security, your entire computer (not just your browser) is controlled by another party, you autists have a meltdown
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>>52584209
Okay thanks I fixed it. Can you please tell me how to change hdipi so I don't have to squit or zoom in on every page I browse.
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>>52584295
Unfortunately, I don't use Opera (and neither should you), so I can't find out how to do it myself, but I did post a StackOverflow thread about how to adjust the DPI in Opera in >>52584087:

http://superuser.com/questions/227918/how-can-the-default-zoom-size-be-set-in-opera

But really, this is the exact same page you'll find if you just do a google search for "Opera change DPI".
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>>52578092
>But the only reason anyone ever actually switches to linux as a main OS, is to tinker.
I disagree. One hundred percent of what I use my computer for is either work (coding), is done in a browser, or involves hitting play/pause/stop in a media player. The rest of the time, I am simply not using my computer. My needs are thus served equally well by all three major OSes, and among them, Linux happens to feel more comfortable to me.

Except, I suppose, for the coding part in Windows, since I'm coding for Linux systems. But if I were in Windows, I would probably have to run a VM to connect to and run code in. So I *could* survive working in Windows, albeit with some overhead and conceptual impedance. I guess OS X would be alright, but it doesn't offer any direct benefits either.

But "thinkering"? Really? I run stock Linux Mint with Cinnamon and don't tinker with much of anything, outside of a few hotkeys, which I set up to copy Windows' defaults (because they're pretty useful, imo).

When it comes down to it, the experience of Linux is just more comfortable for me. If you don't have those same needs, your thoughts might differ. And that's okay. Isn't it great that we all get our own choice in this?
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>>52584346
I'm using Firefox. It has the same issue
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>>52577546
>Reasons to use linux
Built in adware
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>>52584366
this faggot uses word "coding"
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>>52584367
And, you may remember, I already posted very clear instructions on how to fix the issue in Firefox, in this post: >>52583881

Every browser is going to have a different way of adjusting the default zoom. Here's how to fix it in Firefox (literally copy-pasted from my original post):

Go to about:config and set layout.css.devPixelsPerPx to something above 1 (start with 2 and go from there until it looks right).
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>>52577546
• I can simply grab an OS and install it without hassling with registration bullshit.
• Im not constantly treated like a baby that doesnt know that deleting a shortcut wont uninstall the programm.
• It seems like everything is streamlined to be productive
• multi desktop
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>>52584610
Shit excuse my autism. Thanks for the help homie
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>>52584537
Aye, I do. I presume you do not?
I am okay with that, Anonymous.
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