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http://asmdc.org/members/a09/news-room/video-gallery/cooper-introduces-human-trafficking-investigation-legislation
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>>52557820
Lol fucking democrats
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>>52557820
Fuuuuck

That's a new excuse though. Guess they can't fight terrorism or protect the children all the time.

oh wait no,
>...provide criminals an invaluable tool to prey on women, children, and threaten our freedoms

Is there a real human trafficing problem there?

Can't you just make people open their phones? Is that somehow more illegal and taboo than banning encryption?
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>>52557820
Land of the (encryption) free :^)
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>>52557820
>omg encryption helps criminals, we should ban encryption!
Omg guns help criminals, we should ban guns!

Seriously, why is it that the two are fundamentally the same?
EVEN IF YOU DO NOT FEEL LIKE YOU NEED A GUN THEY ARE NOT INHERENTLY BAD THINGS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM EVERYONE.
The same is true about encryption.
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>>52557820
I finally got around to encrypting my phone just to spite people like this.
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>>52557976
>EVEN IF YOU DO NOT FEEL LIKE YOU NEED A GUN THEY ARE NOT INHERENTLY BAD THINGS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM EVERYONE

This isn't true though.
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>>52557820
about time i love out of the usa and made my own place. Or a purge of most of the human race and not allow such horse shit
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>>52557820
Ironic it's under the guise of human trafficking , since they're going to use it to literally monitor human traffic
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>>52558005
How is that not true?
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>>52557976
Cars help criminals (the getaway driver). Cars should be baned to protect children from terrorists criminally robbing them of there lives!1!

>>52558005
>This isn't true though.
But it is true. When the last time a gun attacked anyone? They are inanimate objects.
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>>52558147
Shoes help criminals run away, gotta ban that
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>>52558147
More cars are used in human trafficking than encrypted cellphones.
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What does it do? Force companies to have back doors?
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>>52557820
land of the free
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>>52557820
>Ban Encryption
Has anyone informed them yet that that's not even fucking possible?
>guys criminals sometimes sit on chairs let's ban chairs
>criminals sometimes walk let's ban legs
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>>52558204
They're politicians, of course not.
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>>52558204
>>Has anyone informed them yet that that's not even fucking possible?
What exactly makes it impossible in your mind?
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>>52558204
They're not banning encryption though.
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>>52558223
Theoretically possible I guess, but completely nonsensical
have some better examples
>criminals are sometimes behind locked doors let's ban locks
>criminals sometimes live in houses with walls let's ban walls
>haha what's a bank?
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>>52558236
>have some better examples
Those are examples of something else entirely.
I agree with you that it would be bad for us if they banned encryption.
But I do not agree that it's impossible.
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>>52558223
What metric will they use in deciding over what is encrypted data and what is not?

I can embed some encrypted data in a jpeg in some chosen manner. How are they going to catch that?
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>>52558247
How would it be enforced though, without violating civil liberties?
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“Full-disk encrypted operating systems provide criminals an invaluable tool to prey on women, children, and threaten our freedoms while making the legal process of judicial court orders useless.”
Is this literally the incognito mode walk free meme?

But seriously, aren't they claiming, in other words, that they can't make a case against a human traficker without him having self-incriminating evidence on his phone?

Apart from that full disk encryption seems completely vulnerable to weak passwords and cold boot attacks, which, from a law enforcement standpoint, should be more practicable than relying on people who routinely break the law to not break that law?
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>>52557820
Lol how the fuck do they expect to ban mathematical functions?
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>require companies to be able to decrypt their encryption
>hurr durr they want to ban encryption
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>>52558247
fine anon, it is not an absolute impossibility
it's also not an absolute impossibility that the government decides to ban locks and walls

>>52558260
>without violating civil liberties
anon, that boat sailed a long fucking time ago
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>>52558260
>without violating civil liberties
What exactly makes you think they won't violate civil liberties?

>>52558254
>there is some data not related to image in this file; you are suspect in this and that case; decrypt it for us
>it's just junk data, not encrypted data
>our expert says it is; go to jail
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>>52558280
>I don't know anything about cryptography : the post
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>>52558260
Did you even read the article? They don't want to ban encryption, you fucking idiot.
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>>52558283
So i guess low quality compression schemes would be banned.
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>>52558302
Well, no, they would only be used to jail people the state wants to jail.
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>>52558280
Any encryption that can be decrypted by another party that doesn't have the keys is fundamentally flawed.

And requiring master keys or whatever is a huge security threat.
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>>52558297
There's no security risk if the CEO of a company has access to encryption keys to be able to assist the police when appropriate.

You're all just being autistic.
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>>52558339
>There's no security risk if the CEO of a company has access to encryption keys to be able to assist the police when appropriate.
Except he is a huge target for corporate espionage.
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>>52558339
Yes, there is.
The post you're quoting is literally you.
You don't know shit about crypto.
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>>52558339
Damn, you got me.
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But think of the 9/11 victims!
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>>52558352
>>52558353
You're all just racist arseholes, I bet if a national socialist state wanted to "ban" encryption you would be all for it.
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>>52558280
>>require companies to be able to decrypt their encryption
>>hurr durr they want to ban encryption

* It's essentially the same thing.

* It's pointless because the mathematical formulas are known. Tell the companies they have to install back doors and you will immediately see 3rd party tools to accomplish the same thing by people outside CA's jurisdiction.

* FDE is not stopping the prosecution of those in human trafficking. These politicians do not care about that at all. If they did, there are a thousand laws and tools on the books to break trafficking rings wide open (which is a problem but not a massive OMG problem like they claim). Most trafficking goes on with police, DAs, and politicians looking the other way thanks to bribes.

Protip: I've spoken with a Long Beach dock worker who claims he has witnessed trafficking and that the cops know about it, but won't dare touch it because of the bribes to them and to the unions. He said if he made a stink about it he would wind up dead, and I know him well enough that I believed him.

These politicians don't give a shit about "muh womynz and muh childrenz!"
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>>52558373
Seek help.
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>>52558339
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>>52558223
>What exactly makes it impossible in your mind?

The fact that the mathematical formulas are known and therefore any 3rd party outside of CA's legal jurisdiction can provide all the encryption tools they want.

Fuck, you don't even need to write the damn code yourself. There are excellent free and open source AES libraries out there.

* In an hour or less any competent programmer could whip up an AES file encryption program.

* FDE would require some research/work because it would involve drivers or kernel extensions, but I bet there are guys out there who could do it in less then a day.

Another pointless law by pointy haired IQ90 ass hats.
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>>52558275
This
How is everyone not laughing at all the dumb politicians who think encryption, in short maths can be banned.
What is wrong with people, how can they take any politician seriously who indulges in childish fantasies like banning mathematics?
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>>52558404
But they can make it illegal. Writing a program that does this would be illegal. Using a progress that does this would be illegal. It will help a bit with catching actual thieves, it will hamper lives of normal people worse, and it is possible.
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In countries with encryption bans, how do commercial businesses operate? Surely secure transactions are a necessity.
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>>52558373
End yourself.
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>>52558419
Distribution of particular numbers is already banned
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>>52557820
Can anyone provide a summarized form of that fucking video, without all the;
> I used to be in law enforcement so I know how important it is to read your text messages.
> I am sad, because people are bad :(

...shit.

What did they actually do?
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>>52558425
How will you even enforce that? What's stopping me from writing a program to encrypt files at home, and what will tell the government I am doing something illegal at home?
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>>52558147
>Cars help criminals (the getaway driver). Cars should be baned to protect children from terrorists criminally robbing them of there lives!1!

Immigration and shipping are used to traffic women and children. We should immediately close the borders and the ports to protect the children.

>tfw this would be disastrous but is at least physically possible where banning encryption is not
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>murrica in charge of banning math
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>live in california
>half the shit on my computer is encrypted
should I be worried?
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>>52557820
So... will it be illegal to store noise on your hard drive or what?
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>>52558425
>But they can make it illegal.
>OH NOES!

I bet you're one of those "special" people who think posting a "Gun Free Zone" sign will stop gun violence? Am I right?

>make the decision to engage in a sick, twisted crime like human trafficking
>give up and become a law abiding citizen because CA says you can't use FDE without a backdoor in their state

REALLY? YOU'RE REALLY THAT STUPID?
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>>52558480
I'm not saying it will help. I'm saying it can be done and it will hamper our lives.
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>>52557945
or you could just deport the mexicans
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>>52558475

Heh...somebody needs to inform all these IQ90 politicians that there is a literally 100% secure encryption method that no one will ever be able to break.

And it was known before computers were invented.

It's cumbersome to use, but used correctly nothing will ever break it, not even quantum computing.

Anyone on /g/ know what it is?

>hint: noise is the key
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>>52558480
>Unnecessary caption at the bottom

This reeks of Facebook.
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>>52558475
I bet you're with the terrorists anon, arguing against poorly defined laws with far-reaching consequences
Ujlw gjbdkwxl xi s lzwi letudkj. 10 aavbii lh rdlcues pesgnmb ea rtszhaym fr
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>>52558507
One-Time Pad?
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>>52558507
Get a degree in linguistics and create your own language?
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>>52558507
One time pad
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>>52558498

Fair enough (I thought you were for it). But it literally can't be done. It will only hamper the occasional person who gets caught for some petty crime and then gets charged with MUH ENCRYPTION along with whatever else he/she was going to be charged for.

Petty, stupid, ignorant politicians.
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>>52558434
Those are the often very large keys to encryption that's used in satellite TV decoding. Keys can be banned from being spread around, but mathematical functions can't be, functions are merely processes to change days in a particular way that you want, that means functions can even be explained in words, because they're ideas.
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>>52558514
>>52558519

I knew /g/ wouldn't let me down.

>>52558516

Nope. Languages, by nature, have structure that you can use to start to decipher their meaning. It might have worked against the Japanese in WWII (Native American languages), but with modern computing it wouldn't work for long at all.
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>>52557945
>Is there a real human trafficing problem there?
Sort of. Chinks sell smuggling services to other chinks and sometimes they decide to keep them as sex slaves. Massage parlors are often just a front for them as you may already know.
It happens with Mexicans and other assorted brown as well but Asians are more known for it (or we just care more about them)
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>>52557820
>tfw privacy will become a privilege
I'll just move to a caliphate where I can fuck tons of burka whores.
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>>52557820
jesus fucking christ man i nearly spilt my wild turkey!!!!
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>>52557976
And if you say the same about Islam you will be called a racist misogynist white male pig.
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BAN LIFE BECAUSE LIFE ENABLES CRIMINALS
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Great! Now criminals can monitor your lives!
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psh yall just wanna traffic humans
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>lets ban encryption, that will surely make terrorists not use it
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>>52558616
clearly understands the situation
>>52558619
KEK
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>>52558634
>using encryption mr. terrorist?
>this will be $500 fine plus tip
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The
>le give us all your money, guns, your wife's vagina and your kids' brains to stay safe from muh tehhrorists
has to die.

Fucking kikes.
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>>52557820
It'll never pass, there's enough money in Silicon Valley to ensure this gets shot right down.
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>>52557820
>introduces bill against encryption
>embeds video via an URL using encrypted HTTPS https://www.youtube.com/embed/pDY5TWOQdR8

well played, nigga
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>>52558425
criminals are going to break the law except the one about not being allowed to use encryption?

you merilards are hilarious. ;^)
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>>52557820
Fucking Commiefornia.
Liberalls can't tell an adjustable stock from a barrel shroud and we're supposed to respect their opinions on "assault weapons" and "gun safety"

pic related
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It's only natural for governments to want to keep up with technology.
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>>52558147
Except they've been known to discharge unexpectedly and kill people so that lame ass inanimate object argument is kind of out the window already.
The main point people seem to gloss over or flat out ignore is that guns are devices specifically designed to kill - there is no alternative use like a knife. You don't spread butter with a gun. You don't cut steak with a gun.
"Swimming pools kill people!"
They're not designed to kill people.
>the only way to die is to be alive
just ban births. Can't kill what's not alive.
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>>52558828
>Except they've been known to discharge unexpectedly and kill people
can you cite that? I thought this stopped being a problem more than a hundred years ago.

I'm going to ignore your other comment about alternative uses because there are alternative types of knifes designed for specific uses and alternative types of guns. (You wouldn't argue that a NERF gun is designed to kill people)

And you might as well have said:
>In the beginning the Universe was created.
>This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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>>52558872
>im going to ignore your other comment
what an incredibly well-reasoned and thought-out counter point which fully supports your stance on gun laws.
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>>52558905
That was my first post to this thread, I wasn't trying to argue anything. That comment started out with my first line and then I went back and added more. I wish ids were still a thing.

Also

Tough shit, asshole. I don't care what you think, I'm just curious for a source on a bit of information.
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>>52558931
>gun-lover talking tough on the internet
whew
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Does this affect anywhere besides California?
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>>52558533
Mathematical functions can be expressed in numerical values so yes, they can be banned just as anything else.
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>>52558828
>known to discharge unexpectedly
Only if the owner is incompetent

>guns only designed to kill
Well yes. Kill various things like people who want to kill you, animals for food. Hell target shooting's a sport and so is practical shooting.
Even if guns were banned there's still all the manner of "weapons" until shit turns UK and people want to ban kitchen knives.
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>>52558872
I dont care about the legality of guns but
>A nerf gun is an alternate type of gun so not all guns are designed to kill
lmoa what the fuck, a nerf gun is a toy
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>>52559264
I bet next you'll tell me a stun gun is a toy or that bean bag guns are designed to kill
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>>52559289
well no because they arent toys, are you retarded?
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>>52559304
are you?
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>>52559304
why would I tell you a stun gun is a toy? what does that have to do with anything?
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>>52559362
whoops
>>52559336
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>>52557820
FREEDOM
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>>52559362
Just because something is "a" does not mean it is not "b".

A nerf gun IS a toy but it is ALSO a gun. A non-lethal gun designed as a toy. A stun gun is a gun but it is also a tool. A non-lethal gun designed as a tool.

See where I'm going with this or do I need to break it down more?
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>actually trying to argue witih gun nuts
These are people who unironically believe that guns have magical properties (the literal physical manifestation of freedom as granted by the founding fathers) when arguing against the idea that events such as the Sandy Hook shooting or the San Bernardino massacre actually happened, but guns are "just a tool lol why libruls hate tools their not magic lmao" when arguing in favor of the acceptance of facts.

The difference between crypto and a gun is that you can't make and disseminate 20 million copies of a gun in seconds, despite the wild fantasist notions pushed by the makerbot/3D printer crowd who literally believe that their shoddy exploding plastic guns are actually a viable form of self-defense against big gubmint, despite arguing until they're blue in the face that if we can't guarantee that every batshit crazy racist militia redneck is equipped with a Davy Crockett nuclear bazooka and a 20mm autocannon (but not blacks), it's literally tyranny worse than hitler who didn't kill jews but should have.
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>>52559445
Anon, that whole post is two sentences. You need to learn to express your feelings better.

Be more succinct.
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>>52559445
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>>52558905
Couldn't find a citation for that bullshit you posted, huh?
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>>52559493
If you are so worried about the boogyman invading your home, you are either
a. Suffering from paranoid delusions, are a danger to yourself and others, and shouldn't be allowed to own weapons, or
b. Living in a terrible area and should be working to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, not collecting bang-bang toys and shitposting on the internet
Which of these is you?
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>>52557976
>liberals
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>>52559410
I'm just laughing at you for comparing a nerf gun and actual guns
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>>52558828
fuck off i use my gun to make bacon while shooting illegal immigrants
it's also good for demolition and cutting trees
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So? All tech companies move out and SF becomes the new Detroit
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>>52559535
Guns were all grouped together as one group and contrasted with knifes when the exact same examples exist. I feel as though I had to point it out. I'm glad I made someone laugh though.

>tfw I'm still waiting on that source
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>>52558541
>Chinks
That word is so rude. Please call them "pigfaces" instead.
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>>52558425
so what. openbsd came out of canada when the U.S. considered crypto a "munition"
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>>52557880
republicans are just as retarded about this
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>>52558373
what the fuck are you talking about?
this isnt /pol/, its /g/
i guess we are all gay since there is a yaoi board by that logic
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My last bastion of hope /g/<<<<,,,,,,,,,
ruined by fagPeds,,,,,,,,, that should be on /b/
cunts,,,,,
malevolent infrastructure
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memes aside how would this not completely kill e-commerce? I don't think google, amazon and the other major players would just let this happen.
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I think it is an awful crime.
What some of these girls goes through should be stopped.
But having a backdoor to your security (regardless of why) is bad security and someone will exploit that.
The scenario they presented was pimp sends orders to victim via phone and they cannot access phone because it is encrypted.

But if they have the phone of the victim, and the victim coorporates with the warrant, they have access to one side of the conversation.
If the pimp ignores the warrant, he can be held in contempt as well as being prosecuted by a jury.
And if you are being accused of human trafficking and he refuses to give up his pin when the judge orders him to, that is not a good case to defend.

We have other ways to find these people than breaking security for all people
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Holy shit, this is the most retarded political pandering I've ever seen. Dumbass voters will fall for it though.
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>>52558223
I can encrypt data with a pencil and paper, a computer just makes it easier, it is nonsense to talk about banning it and impossible to actually achieve.

what banning it will do is always give them an excuse to arrest you, which is what the government always wants.
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>>52557820

Good fucking luck.

If they try to ban smartphones without encryption Apple will just say "Fuck you, no".

If they try to tack on a fee for every iPhone sold without encryption Apple will just boycott their sales in California and EVERYONE will lose their fucking minds and protest.

Apple has more power than most state governments.
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It's not going to pass
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>>52557998
>encrypting my phone
>thinking you can secure any device with baseband

wasting your time, anon. use it for cat pictures only.
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lol wtf district 9
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>>52558540
>The year is 2036
>The main black market import in the United States is now Chinese produced terabyte drives filled with randomly generated noise, since all all rand() functions were banned 15 years ago.
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>>52560815
> thinking rand() works in 2016

muahaha

fix: get a cheap rtl-sdr dongle and use rtl-entropy with rngd...
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>>52558652
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>>52560815
>current year
>not owning a physical device producing truly random data
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>>52559515
You might also be living in Yurope
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>>52561065
>owning banned devices after the amnesty as ended
Bad goy!
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>>52558229
They're not banning encryption they're just purposely introducing flaws into the implementation of software to defeat encryption making it useless for its intended purpose. Oh and encryption standards that don't do this are banned. Yeah but it's not a ban though, only technically sorta.
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>>52561103
For a year I lived in a small town near Oxford.
The front door only had a mortice lock, no latch, so most nights I just didn't bother to lock it.
Maybe you need stronger meds.

>I saw one story where one guy did a bad thing, therefore everyone does!
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>>52561154
Have fun with those """refugees""" then I guess.
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With every single new news article I read about enforced backdoors and banning encryption the more I want to fight against it. Every single time I read about this shit it increases my motivation to contribute to FOSS projects, especially ones that appreciate privacy.
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>>52557820
The USA is such a retarded country.
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>>52561188
>Living in a shithole near your country's borders
>Complaining about immigration

Why would you do this?
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>>52561224
It's pretty much just the democratic states doing this for some reason. I think republicans are just as retarded with computers but they seemingly never try to do things like this.
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>>52561065
isn't this tinfoil?
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>>52557820
Wait, what the fuck is this bill supposed to do? Put mandatory backdoors in everything?
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>>52561349
lel yes, buy backdoored phone, now
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>>52561349
Anon, mandatory backdoors have been a thing for a while.

Every wireless device in the US from your laptop to your TV remote must be able to accept interference, even if it causes undesired operation.
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>>52561615
Going to need a citation there.
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>>52557820
so it's official, americans are the cucks of this world.
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>>52561301
No.
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Americucks Politicians:
> WE BANNED ENCRYPTION
> THEREFORE IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE

Holy shit someone stop them, they will literally destroy the universe if they ban math.

America in 2020:
> Dude learning how to program
> write a sortString() function
> FBI blows the door
> 50 years in prison
> get anally raped by niggers because of 3 lines of code
Thanks god I live in a third world country.
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lol americans
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Read this article, guys.

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mcafee-obama-administration-privacy-2016-1

McAfee makes some really good points against encryption that would convince most people (read: normal, non-tech people).
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>>52557945
>Muh freedoms are threatened
>Better ban keeping secrets.
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>only women and children are trafficked
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>>52563045
I was going to make fun of his appearance, but then I realized he's fucking 70 years old.
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>Full disk encryption gives criminals the tools to threaten our freedom
Top Fucking Kek. Is he talking about himself?
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>>52559575
There's also the 3 guns I've got pointed directly at my face all day, firing non stop.
Muh Electron Guns.
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>>52557820
>where were you when it finally happened?
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>>52565352
dead
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I'm genuinely surprised that cunt Feinstein wasn't behind this. Is it possible Jim Cooper is too dumb to understand the precedent this will set?
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>trying to ban math
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>>52558828
>Except they've been known to discharge unexpectedly
Even guns from the cold-war era have fairly good protection against unexpected discharge. Let alone modern guns that will never fire unless you pull the trigger yourself. You could drop a loaded glock off a building and it still would not fire. Get educated faggot.
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>We need to take away all your freedoms to protect freedom.
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>American banned encryption
Lmao.
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A-MERIKA
FUCK YEAH!
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>>52560386
>Apple
>giving a shit about security
yeah keep believeing that, kiddo.

https://duckduckgo.com/html&q=iOS%20Backdoors%20Attack%20Points%20Surveillance%20Mechanisms
https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=iOS%20Backdoors%20Attack%20Points%20Surveillance%20Mechanisms
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>>52563045
>My wife uses them to great effect. A discrete whisper in my ear while we are at a dinner table with friends, promising provocative events at home if we leave immediately, has many times caused me to manufacture some emergency that forces us to leave posthaste.
Well, he just set up himself and his wife for endless ribbing when they try to leave.

The Sobhraj story is a pretty cool one to tell at a dinner table.

>A simple thing like an invention that has not yet been patented requires that as few people as possible know about it, and meetings between these people must be held in secure locations in absolute privacy.
>If someone had discovered the design early on by eavesdropping on these meetings, I might well have been preempted and all of my work would have been in vain.
Hopefully many people utilize Windows 10 for their innovations and secret designs. :^)

>In any case my wife also uses Chadder, so that while she is getting her hair done in the town next door she can text me some enticing suggestions that motivate me to stop what I'm doing and make sure the bedroom is in romantic order.
Either his wife is going to be mad or they're exhibitionists. Their friends might want to install a camera under their dinner table for maximum keks.

>My wife just texted me. I must stop here.
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>>52558828
Holy shit this has to be bait. Seriously anon you may want to educate yourself before making an idiot of yourself on the internet.
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