I asked him why he supports bernie sanders. I compared forced taxation to free software and asked him whether or not he treats physical things the same as software. Turns out he thinks the rich should be forced(ayyyyfreedom) to pay for shit just because they have wealth. I lost all respect for him after this email.
>>52550200 >Middle class Americans pay more than upper class Fucking shit >I would vote for FDR He's literally worse than the most rabid hatred of Bush could imagine >Taxes are good when spent on the poor Why not when they are spent on EVERYONE. Jesus Christ. I knew stallman was a dipshit, but Noam Chomsky seems sensible compared to him.
>>52550316 >Rich have all the money and pay no taxes while middle class does all the job and pays all the taxes. >Wealthy people ought to pay taxes, because they fucking don't at the moment. Aside from the fact that that's totally false, I agree. Oh wait, no I don't. Thats a lie perpetuated by fucking morons.
>>52550298 you understand how tax brackets work right? or no, because you've never paid taxes? you know 90% refers to 90% after a certain dollar amount, right? if you make a million dollars and the tax bracket is set at 90% @ 1mil, you don't get taxed 90% for the whole million, you get taxed 90% for every dollar after the million
>>52550315 like i said, you're a colossal fucking retard
>>52550301 not even close. full time student m-f, work 6 to 6 sat/sun and pay tuition out of pocket. paid cash for car, dont smoke or drink.
>>52550316 THE RICH LITERALLY PAY MORE OVER ALL YOU STUPID FUCK THE MIDDLE CLASS HARDLY PAYS SHIT TOWARDS THE TOTAL COLLECTED TAXES YOU GODAMN MORON HOLLY FUCK. ONE GUY WHO PAYS JUST TEN PERCENT OF ONE BILLION DOLLARS PROVIDES MORE MONEY THAN A SHIT LOAD OF MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE PAYING 20 - 30 PERCENT TAXATION. YOU ARE A FUCKING MORALLY DEFUNCT PIECE OF SHIT. SOME PEOPLE PAY MILLIONS IN TAXES EACH YEAR COMPARED TO ME ONLY PAYING A FEW THOUSAND A YEAR TELL ME HOW THATS "FAIR". ITS NOT YOU JUST WANT THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS YOU GREEDY FUCK FACE
>>52550272 non-rich != poor... notice how he explicitly talks about the middle class? you know, those people actually carrying the economy?
>>52550275 you seem under the impression that big business and wealthy people generally tend to have a sense of social responsibility, when that is actually a rather rare occurence. sorry, but responding to hyperbole with hyperbole doesn't make you seem smarter.
>>52550381 When Tim Cook and co. paid their taxes. Bernie's favorite countries actually dont tax corporate earnings. They tax personal earnings. What you want is to tax the same money twice. Which makes you a loon.
>>52550389 >one of these days i'll be really rich, so i have to make sure nothing bad happens to the ultra-wealthy because some day i'll be one of them! right?
>>52550416 how stupid are you? if i take out loans and spend my weekends smoking weed with my faggot friends, i'm on easy street. but if i'm breaking my back working constantly and doing things the responsible way, i am also on "easy street". do you see the disconnect here, you fucking cave dweller?
>>52550376 >you know 90% refers to 90% after a certain dollar amount, right? No shit. We actually already have tested this hypothesis in the 50s. See when we lowered that shit from 90%. Oh will you look at that. The Laffer curve does apply at 90%. Literally everyone at the time knew this, but Bernie is a regressive,
>>52550446 >guy on /g/ pretending he knows about life i can't even.
this discussion culture is so fucked up. please, do state what exactly it is that i'm not understanding about big business - which very obviously was a generalization made for the sake of not dragging the argument out for days. are you trying to misunderstand everything people say or just the ones you think you disagree with?
>>52550488 i don't understand the point you're trying to make. who is "he" and what school loans? i can't tell if you're not following the conversation properly or if you just suck ass at english, but i do know one thing: you sure are ugly
>>52550515 in what way am i acting like that? i think you're extrapolating way too much from this conversation. if you actually read the posts i've made i haven't said anything about my life being worse off, nor have i complained about anything, nor have i supported a 90% tax
>>52550515 it's called society. we pay together, we benefit together. we stand together, we fall together. that's the principle here. it's not about greed, it's about the guy with 5 farms paying _at least_ 5 times more than the guy with 1, not even less. how is this a difficult concept?
>>52550316 Rich people pay most of taxes fuck head.
Wahhh they don't pay enough taxes they have a lower rate! No they don't. Stop being brainwashed and look it up yourself. But muh capital gains is lower! Yeah on money that was already taxed to purchase the equities. It's double taxed.
If Bernie wants Canada's system, then I'm all for it. If you make $55k/year and you aren't married, you get fucked in America. You pay a higher tax rate than you would in Canada, on top of Social Security, Medicare, and your own separate retirement since you won't see a dime of SS. So you're paying for health care twice (Medicare and your own employer's insurance) and retirement twice (SS and your own 401k, and if you're under 40 then you better be funding the shit out of your 401k).
After all these deductions, you end up way, way behind a Canadian making the same.
meanwhile in Europe, Germany assrapes everyone else by having a better ss/wf system than everybody else and all of Europe doesn't even bother worrying about healthcare because simply everybody has it and that's that.
>>52550640 no.. i was characterizing the argument being made by the dumb fuck who originally said "i bet you're on student loans blah blah blah". try to keep up, if i can't think past the present then why am i not on student loans smoking weed you fucking retard?
>>52550618 dude, you're starting to annoy me. please, point out where i said rich people and big corporations were evil?
i said they rarely have a sense of social responsibility. that is not a moral judgement, it is a fact. for corporations, it's not hard to explain, either - they don't have much of an immediate incentive to have that. big corporations have a responsibility to their shareholders first, with the employees being a close second, but they're globally distributed, so they lack a sense of responsibility for a community.
big corporations aren't evil in the least. they're doing a job, and most of them, at least in the tech sector (my focus), are doing a rather decent one. it's for us as a society to decide if and how we want to give them better incentives to be socially responsible; enable education and healthcare more would be one example.
you want to have a discussion or rather keep calling me a 10th grader?
>>52550244 Of course they do, and they know how to spend money well, that's how they got rich in the first place. That money shouldn't be given to irresponsable poorfags when it could help the economy.
>>52550720 oh my god, i literally JUST explained this lol. its right there in the post you quoted. i think you need to take an english language refresher course before you try and tackle macroeconomics
>>52550740 mmmm i don't know man there's a LOT of lame, useless people who are too stupid to help. just picture all the people who work at mcdonalds and have 3 kids and then start complaining and picketing about how it's impossible to raise a family on minimum wage.. well, yeah, no shit. you're not supposed to raise a family on minimum wage. anybody who thinks its acceptable to shit out a baby before you secure the means to raise it doesnt deserve welfare, theyre too fucking stupid to be helped. this is the crux of the problem with social welfare programs in america: poor people are genuinely fucking stupid mate. at least a lot of them are, enough to be a problem. you have to design policy while keeping in mind the fact that yes, a lot of it is going to waste on absolute scum of the earth idiocracy-tier "people"
>>52550792 Why do poor people have so many kids when they're poor? I never understood this.
It scares me to think that that is where the human race is heading, it's their genes being propagated. I feel like I should have kids because I'm pretty smart, but I'm a manlet so that cancels it out in terms of genetic superiority
>>52550770 i have a feeling we're going to be just fine. most of them are actually very friendly, helpful people. a lot of them even skilled, job wise. it really is not a big mystery why the dumb fuck racists are so afraid of them; give them half a year to learn the language and the racists will be outskilled, easy.
>>52550792 it's always easy to look down if you're not on the bottom. i see your point, we have these assholes as well - "i'm a truck driver and can barely raise my 5 kids on my wage - it's so unfair that the government is kicking me out of the welfare apartment which i was temporarily given" - but somehow, we have to master the future. that can only mean that we, that we are able minded and able bodied, may have to pull a bit more of the weight than others. we can't leave them behind - they're just going to cost more and more money until it's too much even for us, and then we are all royally fucked together. no thanks.
>>52550448 >how stupid are you? if i take out loans and spend my weekends smoking weed with my faggot friends, i'm on easy street. but if i'm breaking my back working constantly and doing things the responsible way, i am also on "easy street". do you see the disconnect here, you fucking cave dweller? Because you're doing unvaluable work and you could probably be replaced by a robot. Of course that's fair.
>>52550838 i really don't know. i think part of it might be really bad education leading to kids thinking that pulling out actually works (i've actually met some people that think this and it genuinely shocked me that they were serious lol), or maybe they think even blowing a load inside your ugly girlfriend you still have like a 80% chance of no baby or something.. i really don't know. i've seen that a lot of aimless loser young adults think having a baby will like, kickstart their life and make them get their shit together, but instead they just start complaining that having a baby didn't magically double their income lol. if someone else wants to pitch in and explain why poor people keep having babies id love to hear because i wonder about this at least once a week
>>52550881 i know i literally said that poor people are stupid but to be fair its 4chan so theres a certain level of "i dont give a shit" bullshittery laced in my post. i totally sympathize with anyone that is hard working regardless of class, and whether anyone reading this believes me or not, i dont discriminate against or hate poor people, just lazy people, and from my anecdotal experience, a lot of poor people are just lazy and stupid as sin. welfare should be there to help poor people that actually need it, not to supplement a continuously shitty and miserable existence and help them afford weed until they die. that's what irritates me, deep down im a big liberal teddy bear that wants to help people, but theres so many fucking idiots that we're wasting it on. i guess i just hope to find a middle ground where we can help people without enabling the bottom feeders
>>52550899 i work in healthcare, i'm skilled labor and i get paid well because of it. it took me a lot of time and effort and initiative to undergo training, certification, job hunting etc and im enjoying the rewards. i think youre seriously misreading my posts and you should just stop talking until you finally understand the flow of this conversation
>>52550913 well, fair conclusion from what i said admittedly, but not what i meant. i was talking more about the people in the streets, unable to correctly write phrase or spell their complaints. i'm fairly certain they're not pulitzer prize candidates.
>>52550984 yeah dude, you caught me. all along i was pretending to be a medical doctor who is also a full time student working on the weekends, but you blew my cover. no i'm not an MD you fucking idiot.
>>52550997 I'm just fucking with you. I don't know why you took my first post as a literal personal attack.
I'm just pointing out that labour in low demand being paid less is a fair system, because society can generally do without low demand. Society can't do without genius business men directing our resources, brilliant engineers developing useful patents, programmer wizards who write the next innovative media etc.
>>52551050 sorry lol, i couldnt tell if youre one of the 2-3 vegetables that were replying to me earlier. i agree with the rest of your post too, which is why im railing so hard against these fucking idiots working at McDonalds and complaining they cant raise a family. it really blows my mind. i tried having a conversation about this with an IRL friend and it just didnt seem to click, he's like "yeah but.. lol say that to some lady that had the condom break bro? thats heartless..", well get an abortion then? the morning after pill? throw yourself down a flight of stairs? i can say from first hand experience its really not hard to avoid having a fucking baby. birth control is basically free (LITERALLY free if you make your way to a Planned Parenthood or something similar), so anyone who has a baby they cant afford has nobody to blame but themselves. no fuckin mercy man. send em to mexico for all i care, soon as you ask the taxpayer to pay for your orgasm you done fucked up.
>>52550881 >i have a feeling we're going to be just fine. most of them are actually very friendly, helpful people. a lot of them even skilled, job wise. it really is not a big mystery why the dumb fuck racists are so afraid of them; give them half a year to learn the language and the racists will be outskilled, easy.
Friendly and helpful people who keep raping your women while everyone keeps quiet so they don't look "racist"?
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