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What country in Europe is an NSA safe place to have servers? I'm thinking Estonia.
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Nice try, NSA.
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Among the Nordic countries they are the only ones to respect freedoms.
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>>52539255
kek, nice one
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>>52539255
Sweden, the very center of Nordic region is the fucking definition of state-imposed cuckoldry, you naive moron.
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>>52539326
>sweden is estonia
what?
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>>52539365
So is reading or comprehension your problem here?
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>>52539365
Two things:

1. Nordic countries of nowadays are just nasty parodies of themselves.

2. Estonia isn't really a Nordic country.
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>>52539402
if you consider Estonia a Nordic country it is the only one that isn't a shitty police state
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>>52539204
>ignoramuses
>tinfoils who think the NSA is out to get them without realising it's just a big governmental organisation with a bureaucracy
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>>52539455
"nordic" resident here
that statement is a load off bull, in Scandinavia we more often than not solve things without the police
educate your self next time before speaking up
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>>52539506
Then why do your governments employ mass surveillance?
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>>52539204
Luxembourg is safer.
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>>52539560
>shitposting on a gypsy panhandling forum
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>>52539204
Russia
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>>52539255
top kek Slavshit
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>where in europe no NSA
I can't laugh that hard, record yourself laughing and put it on loop.

>they arn't going for you specifically
why don't you just go fuck yourselves, you are missing the point and always the same.
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>>52539204
Any non-european union country, probably like Serbia or Romania (Maybe Russia?)
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>>52539204
Russia
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Norway, Finland or Iceland.
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>>52541757
Just don't host any pro-Western stuff or you'll have the KGB knocking at your door lmao.
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>>52541653
What?
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>>52539204
Europe is worse than the US ever since the eurounion removed an internet freedom act
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>>52541824
Nice bullshit ameriburger
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>>52539204
Iceland. Switzerland used to be cool, but they seem to be cracking lately. Finland and Norway should be fine, too. If you're not hosting pro-human rights or pro-western stuff, East Europe and Russia might work. Avoid Sweden unless you have the dough to buy a whole rack at Bahnhof.
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>>52541878
Please don't talk to me, you degenerate Russiaboo.
I'm not American anyways.
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>>52539204
China, Russia and every other mighty enemy of the USA.
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>>52539204
>Europe
>safe place
Kekking very hard
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>>52539204
http://news.err (dot) ee/v/politics/c7b49df1-9840-4839-b5f0-d52d1be580fd
>WikiLeaks has published data showing the Estonian government has purchased FinFisher spyware for nearly 1.2 million euros since 2011.

If you don't upset the ruling political clique, maybe.
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NK
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What IS a NSA-proof country for servers? How do Wikileaks and Piratebay do it nowadays?
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>>52539204
Bulgaria is the best option
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itt: op doesn't understand how the internet works
itt: op doesn't understand how politics works
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Switzerland
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the Netherlands
http://www.cyberbunker.com/
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>>52539204
>What country in Europe is an NSA safe place to have servers? I'm thinking Estonia.
I don't think FAPSI is any better than the NSA, anon.

>>52539255
>baltic countries
>nordic countries
Pick one

Also
>in the back-pocket of Putin
>respect freedom
Nice try

>>52539326
Sweden has their FRA law. Also, the DRD.

>>52539455
They're basically puppet states controlled by Putin.
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>>52542065

When it comes to security and espionage Switzerland is a US puppet, just like pretty much every other Western nation.
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Finland.
Estonia is part of NATO and has already been Americucked.
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>>52539204
>EU
>NSA safe
no
try switzerland or norway
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>>52542508

Again, you are fooling yourself if you think a country is safe from American strings just because it hasn't been cucked by Brussels.
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>>52542508
>What is Proton Mail
>What is Ghost Mail
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>>52542508
Sorry quoted wrong person. I ment this faggot >>52542584
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>>52542436
>finrand is white
Get the fuck out. Finland is the second most cucked nation in the EU.
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>>52539204
NATO's cyber defence center is in Estonia.
I think the NSA has quite a strong grasp on what's going on there.
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>>52539824
ok then you're safe from the nsa
but what do you do when putin wants to check on your server?
>protip: he's rich, you can't bribe him with vodka.
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>>52539204
>NSA safe
>being a paranoid retarded terrorist

I hope they'll catch you.
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>>52539204
our gubbernmint doesnt give a fuck about piracy unless you're like TPB or whatnot.
pedo stuff is a nono as usual. drawn and written (yes even that) things are grey area and might get you fucked.

NSA wise i would say that are jewish bootlicker so i guess you arent safe from that here.
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>>52539365
Estonia is a Swedish colony ;)
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>>52542660
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Snowden, who worked in Geneva for some time has admitted that the Swiss authorities work hand in hand with the Americans and he revealed information regarding phone tapping in Switzerland orchestrated by the CIA.

I'm trying to help you poof fucking souls!

You think proton mail is safe because their press releases says so? Trust me: they will easily be compromised if the authorities choose to put pressure on them.
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>>52543170
I agree, soon Our empire will rise again it's Allah's will
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>>52543170
>largest ISP and mobile networking operator is owned by swedes
>largest bank is literally called SWEDBANK
>president was born in Sweden
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>>52543173
swiss turned over bank info to americans

one thing they were famous for years and they broke that just because america was threatening to shutdown their banks in murrika.

bank secret keeping was/is part of their Constitution so yeah they broke that.
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>>52539560
Here in Scandinavia we DO employ mass surveillance, but you are more likely to be ratted out by family members and held in check by your friends and family if you have political views that are unsavory.

The Norwegian secret police phones me all the time trying to get "interviews" when I don't have time for that. So apparently they believe my friends and family don't do enough. (probably because the only people who really know is me and the government because they snoop on what i do on the internet, I found that out when I actually went to one of the interviews and they kept bringing up all sort of shit from my past.)

But the mass surveilance is mostly just a problem for muslims like me. You can torrent freely and a newspaper article near christmas interviewed a bunch of pedos and they were mostly left alone despite the mass surveilance, they are only looking for dodgy muslims. You can order explosives and dangerous chemicals, as long as you are not a muslim they won't bat an eye.
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>>52541742
Romania has it's own NSA, it's called SRI (romanian security service)
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>>52543186
inshallah
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>>52543246
>for muslims like me

Krekar, er det deg?
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>>52539204
No place is NSA safe as such because the NSA has funding and permission to spy comprehensively on *anyone* for basically no reason whatsoever.


Maybe some places in Europe are less likely to voluntarily cooperate with the NSA or the USA when you're not doing shit, but I think pretty much everyone including even Russia and so on will cooperate if it somehow seems like you're a terrorist or such and they have no reason to suspect it will disadvantage their country especially (If you were flagged as someone important for the nation, perhaps they might be reluctant? IDK.)
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>>52539204
Estonia heavily relies on NATO for protection against Russia, also there are alot of people of russian ethnicity in Estonia. Communications are probably monitored and recorded by US. Its similar situation in all three Baltic states.

I suggest Romania, Moldova, Bulgaria, also Russia, with current economic crysis you can expect some good deals on hosting and increased admin wilingness to overlook certain less legal things.
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>>52539204
Switzerland or nordic.
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>>52543305
Look at the B0u|\|dIle$$ lnf0r/\/\@n_t (text obfuscated to avoid /\|$@ filter$) heat maps of which countries are tracked the most. Avoid anything !=green.
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>>52539326
>sweden
sorry mannen, vi har någonting som kallas FRA här. NSA's penis är inuti FRA's mun.

for scrublords needing a translation
sorry m8 we have FRA here. NSA's penis is inside of FRA's mouth
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>>52543218
> one thing they were famous for years and they broke that just because america was threatening to shutdown their banks in murrika.
No, it wasn't the banking business in the USA that was at stake. Most banks even kinda shut that down anyways.

It was more or less all international banking and access to various markets. The EU and some others also strongly pressured at the same time...

> bank secret keeping was/is part of their Constitution
Nope, it never was.
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>>52542934
this, they send moneys to gregos and eupolypos every day
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>>52543355
This, I am Romanian and during a night I was browsing Tor for some delicious cutie pies, I got a call from an unknown number that told me "You had enough for today, come back in a week or I'll have to cut it off". I said yes boss and didn't open em cutiepies since then. Turns out the ISP could see my https-less connection
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>>52543426
NorSea Com 1 is NSA compromised as it goes to the UK. Not sure about Denmark-Norway 5 and 6.

http://www.cablemap.info/
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>>52543419
> heat maps of which countries are tracked the most
Eh, NSA never really answered any such question even to the US congress, I think?

And even data sets like Snowden's leak wouldn't tell us the current state of affairs. How the fuck would anyone know this?

I'm taking the view that they record anything and everything they can with their budget, basically at random.
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>>52543467
kek
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>>52543467
Yeah, no. Tor encrypts connections between layers, isp can see that you are using tor but not what data you are downloading.
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>>52543467
Doesn't tor force https??
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>>52543527
Anon....

it was a joke, obviously
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>>52543527
nu-uh, this was pre 2013 when there was that decloaking javascript exploit around
>>52543537
nope, httpsanywhere does it
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>>52543537
Uh, no?

HTTPS works over SSL/TLS, which is an end-to-end encryption protocol. The whole point of Tor is anonymity through onion routing, in other words source routing where each hop is encrypted between nodes so no one single node except the entry node knows the entire path.
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>>52543251
SRI (romanian security Service ) lol hahahhahaha
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>Caring about NSA and privacy
hello rapists, criminals, terrorists and pedophiles
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>>52543439
Created by the Swiss Banking Act of 1934, which led to the famous Swiss bank numbered account, the principle of bank secrecy is always considered one of the main aspects of private banking.
Okay bro. Main point was that murrika wanted tax dodgers in swiss and swiss bent over.
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>>52543439
By the way, further pressure on Switzerland back then: OECD & G20.

Wasn't something Switzerland could retain under that pressure and with it's old European allies in banking secrecy (Austria, Luxemburg, Lichtenstein) also folding under that pressure.

It remains in its past state only domestically for Swiss (let's note here that the Swiss government itself always was able to ask banks for information when following due process).

But foreigners will now generally have their information extradited upon request even from a bureaucrat from the respective country.

All of this is also not actually NSA's work, though, just the stuff the OECD, G20, EU and USA's politicians and tax authorities wanted.

From my point of view, the NSA does not necessarily even have much political control. It's just pretty much "spy on everyone, do and find out anything you please", no?
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>>52543577
So what about the information between my computer and the first tor node? Can the ISP see that?
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>>52543560
>shitty romanian isp with drunk gypsy admin
>using nsa exploit
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>>52543489
glad you enjoyed this may may brought by the cultural ministry of romania friend :^)
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>>52543600
No
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>>52543600
>So what about the information between my computer and the first tor node? Can the ISP see that?
Well, usually the first tor node is your own computer, so no. But if you have to use a proxy to reach the Internet and therefore are unable to run the entry point on your own computer, then yes, the ISP can see that.

Also, if your ISP (or some all-seeing government entity [like the NSA]) can monitor the exit-node and the entry-node simultaneously, they might be able to infer that the entry-node is the entry-node.
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>>52543603
>not grasping that it's a joke
i tried hard to make it obvious but you're hopeless my aspergetic friend.
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>>52543655
Just paranoid
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>>52542436
Nice patriot launcher anon
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>>52543582
See, had nothing to do with the constitution.

It was a government act that was issued some time prior to WW2. Not even a *very* old law by Swiss standards.

>Okay bro. Main point was that murrika wanted tax dodgers in swiss and swiss bent over.
And the EU, OECD plus G20. It seriously wasn't just the USA or the obviously even smaller part of the US government that is the NSA or IRS.

Besides, not quite everyone in Switzerland disagreed either.

And even with banking secrecy, if you had evidence for larger tax fraud or any other crimes, information was already handed out before that. It wasn't absolute. They primarily just got rid of the requirement of it being evidence for *larger* tax fraud.
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>>52543628
So let's say I visit www.dominos.com through tor. Can the ISP snoop the url?
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>>52543672
the only think you need to fear is this dik bb
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>>52543689
If you run default Tor and run the entry-node on your own computer, then no.

Unless you run dominos.com proprietary JavaScript that sends HTTP requests outside Tor off course.
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>>52543689
No
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>>52543706
God damned pizza shops and their proprietary javascript code!!! Why does the botnet want me to starve?
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>>52543711
Because these days pizza is free...
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us romanians favorite type is cheese pizza
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>>52543710
>No

But the url has to be sent to the tor nodes, right? And if that information isn't encrypted, then surely the ISP can do a man in the middle and figure out where I intend to go?
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>>52543774
But it is encrypted, when you start tor it creates encrypted tunnel from your computer to another tor node.
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>>52543915
Ah, good to know. Now what if I use Windows 10.. Will Windows 10 somehow send data/compromise me? Like idk, keyloggers or sending screenshots or ram contents or something to MS/NSA?
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>>52543173
you clearly have no idea what protonmail is about
your mailbox is encrypted from them, only you can decrypt it
the most they can do is sniff outgoing mail addresses and for that to be released it would have to have a warrant from the swiss authorities for a swiss citizen. in other words the US government have zero chance of putting pressure on protonmail to give up metadata (which is routinely deleted anyway) for a non swiss citizen.
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>EU
>NSA safe
Shit, are you serious?
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>>52543955
Fuck knows, anything is possible with windows 10. However keep in mind that things you download through tor will be stored on your hdd, possibly even copies of your files, thumbnails, names of the filenames even if you delete the original files. This extra information maybe recovered with special software or may be (accidentally or not) sent to ms servers as part of telemetry. Also ms is known for their "anonymous" tips to the fbi
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Hello, is this this /balt/ thread?
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Italy.
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>>52543251
Pretty much every vaguely civilized country has an NSA equivalent.
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>>52541807
I wouldn't wouldn't host anything illegal in Finland. Once the cops find out, they don't even need a search warrant. People have had all their computers, including phones confiscated as "evidence", but it takes cops months to analyze them, because it's low priority. Very shitty and potentially more devastating than the actual punishment.
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>>52543301
Nei der er Jens
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>>52545447
>I wouldn't wouldn't

So basically you would.
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>>52539255
>Stonia
>nordic

Nice try slavshit kek
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>>52539204
>"I'm thinking Estonia."
>trusting baltics
>ever

There's something you need to know about the baltics.

Countries like Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia are so massively butthurt from the Russians, and so ashamed of their eastern-bloc past, that are willing to do anything to be considered western.

They view US and Britain as their saviour on earth, and they'll fellate american and british cock until their knees bleed and their throats are soar.


If you care about privacy, choose a country where the government can't afford to care about cyber-thingies.

That would be most latin american countries, maybe Portugal, Spain and Greece, etc. .
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Panama.
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Ironically, Estonia is cybernetically advanced. It won't take long to bust your ass. Try Russia, Ukraine or Poland instead.
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>>52539204
Netherlands or Sweden, but not this pseudo Slavic shithole for sure.
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>>52539204
>Baltics
>safe

Literally the first place Russia will invade in case of a war.
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>>52547185
>until their knees bleed and heir throats are soar
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>>52547185
Come here and we punch with a bottle of vodka, cyka blyat!
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>>52547513
stop shilling jew
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>>52547390
ime munni, jäni
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>>52547563
>russia
>jew
cyкa ты Tayн
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>>52547577
Tsau Oskar!
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>>52543246
>for Muslims like me
Y E S
E
S

I really think my wife's daughter would enjoy you.
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>>52541990
Probably none, but your best bet are US nemesis - Russia or China
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>>52539455
How are Nordic countries police states? Reminde me in which Nordic country cops regularly kill citizens or the state imprisons people for life.
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>>52545447
>archive.is fag detected
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>>52542934
>I'm just going to state something false and pretend it's true
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>>52547185
This delusional.
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Why is Estonia such a wonder of a country?
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>>52547656
>wifes daughter
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>>52547910
Bravo, Estonia.
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>>52543246
Genocide the muslim!
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this is a real US government logo that was put on one of their latest satellites. I am not joking, google it if you dont believe me

now what was your question again OP?
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>>52542131
>Estonia
>Hates Russia with a passion
Yup certainly a puppet state to Russia
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>>52548145
No we don't. We only hate the russian fags who take SMS loans to buy a new baseball bat to trash cars with it.
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>>52543711
Does that service that accepts BTC to buy pizza still exist?
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>>52548456
The first Bitcoin payment ever was done to buy a pizza
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>>52547365
>Estonia is cybernetically advanced.

Estonia has cyborgs?
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>>52548489
Yes, gay ones
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>>52548488
Any currency that can ultimately get you pizza is sound.
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>>52548781
>>52548781
I approve of such economics
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>>52548102
You really have to be retarded to complain about a cool logo that says a badass thing in it
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>>52539204
Depends will host stuff offensive to US gov? Then a non NATO non EU country
Stuff offensive to Russ gov? Then the opposite
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>>52539204

Russian hosing is cheap, and as long as its not full of homo erotica it won't get bothered for most content.

Europe is not a good choice for freedom of any kind.
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