because it delivers most of Arch aspects without spending 2 days reading wiki and then trial and error installation and finding out which packages you need for what functionality because it uses arch users as beta tester to improve its reliability
it's a cop-out. anyone who uses manjaro wanted to use arch, but was either intimdated by the installation process, or couldn't get it right the first time and gave up.
nowadays with architect, there's really no more excuse. if you want to use arch linux, then use arch linux. manjaro is just a shit compromise, and there is no need to fool yourself into thinking you're anymore stable or secure than an arch user. in this sense, it's a frivolous distribution even.
[1/2] Can we all stop the circlejerking and actually constructively answer OP's question?
It mostly has to do with the way Manjaro handles repositories. Its theory is that because the Arch repos are so vast and diverse, that there could be critically unstable packages that would damage the end-user's systems, especially if they're not as computer savvy as more advanced users.
Because of this, Manjaro uses its own repositories, and it moves over Arch packages when their own developers/users have tested them enough to their liking.
In practice, this is actually damaging, as what actually happens is that the Arch stable repos are synced into Manjaro Unstable on a roughly daily basis. They sit there for 1-2 weeks before being declared stable and moving to Manjaro Testing. Then their test squad declares that stable enough to move to Manjaro Stable, about 3-4 weeks after the packages arrive in Arch Linux.
>>52533297 [2/2] Because of this, Manjaro users have to wait at least four weeks before any updates, and thus are more vulnerable to security bugs for a much longer amount of time than Arch users are. Lets say Manjaro had the man-power to monitor all updates in Arch Linux for security issues. Could they be brought to the Stable repositories more quickly? Maybe…
But remember Arch Linux rebuilds against new versions of libraries with soname bumps all the time and our toolchain gets updated very quickly after any upstream release. So any security update built against new libraries or with a new toolchain version require those components moved too. And they are the types of updates that could introduce stability issues.
The things Manjaro does well for new users, especially with the ease of its installation, are offset by the different GUI in each release, which really goes against the idea of a rolling-release distribution like Arch to begin with. If you want a more secure, more practically stable system, you should just use Antergos, which is a graphical installer for Arch, though it also installs a bit of bloat, most of which are things most users would install anyways, ie. it will pre-install Chromium, and a nice GTK theme.
tl;dr, there really is no situation in which using Manjaro is better than using Arch itself, and if you want ease of installation, just use Antergos.
>>52532847 Manjaro gets all the benefits of Arch without needing to slough through a needlessly complicated install. The same for Antergos. /g/ hates people that have it easy because they were beaten and shat on by their parents and find it hard to relate with others who have not gone through the same treatment as them.
>>52533308 I wish I could be here longer but I have to get back to my job, honestly Could you please explain exactly why xorg 1.18 was pushed into the arch kernel even with the lack of catalyst support? Xorg literally broke and ironically all those arch memes came true Also these days manjaro team is more concerned about security. They actually have secured the meme zero day from couple days ago I don't know about antergos though. I tried installing it 3 times with 3 different environments and I failed. I'll come back 7 hours later and probably see this thread dead I don't even care anymore. Good day
>>52533475 >>52533655 Well, it's like the network manager bug they introduced that fucked up the routing on vpns, and took like two weeks for the fix to arrive, just because stupid normal standard upgrade.
After you successfully install arch the first time, you will realise just how easy it is. It isn't the fragile thing everyone makes it out to be. After installing it a few times, you can easily do it without the guide.
Arch is great because you build it from the base, all you need to get a functioning desktop is to install xorg-server, xorg-xinit and the DE/WM of your choice. So it's entirely minimal. Manjaro adds quite a bit of bloat to an initial install, all removable of course, and it comes in many different 'flavours' which is just a preinstalled DE/WM.
That, above, is the reason why Arch users feel Manjaro is pointless, because it's Arch with bloat, taking away one of the advantages, and contradicting Arch's usefulness.
Just boot up an arch image in Virtualbox and follow the beginners install guide, once you get it the first time, you will realise how easy it is, and how great it is to have a system that has no bloat, no files where they shouldn't be etc.
Some people just don't understand that some of us just like tinkering stuff. I learned a whole lot about GNU/Linux thanks to Arch. I wouldn't have achieved the same with other distributions. Saying that, I think that distros like Antergos and Manjaro are great. For me, using Arch is just a learning process and its fun.. nothing more.
>>52533475 The thing is, catalyst is not supported by Arch, when you install catalyst you're on your own. Why you ask? well AMD is too fucking slow updating Catalyst, Arch would need to freeze itself for months to include Catalyst on their repos. tl;dr use xorg 1.17 from an alternative repository or forget about catalyst and use the foss driver
>>52532964 It would be nice to have the option, I guess. But after doing it once it's pretty simple. It's kind of cool to set everything up yourself.
And Arch is really about that feeling. If you just want to wave your dick around Arch is going to be a disappointment. After install it's really simple to use and maintain. The whole point of the distro is that you get to set everything up the way you want it, which while not being totally compromised by an automated installer, would definitely make it less fun.
>>52533043 I used Manjaro for two years before I installed Arch.
It was full of bugs. For the record, I couldn't play flac music or near the end of my use encrypt mails with GnuPG. I must admit that having a broken screen on a HP computer doesn't help, though, but it was like a screwdriver in the eyes.
And the "it uses Arch users as beta testers to improve its reliability" doesn't comply with the "it's normal there are bugs, it's not stable yet" argument I heard from other Manjaro users.
I'm not mad that people use Manjaro like a Windows or Manjaro users would be mad at Mac OS X, I'm mad because they brand their OS as the friendly Archlinux distro when it's actually not production-ready. And I'm mad for beginners who start everyday a journey in a world of pain.
>>52546845 That doesn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed, I just wanted to constructively provide some objective criticism against the Manjaro platform. I actually work as a touring classical musician, right now in Dresden just after a concert, not that it makes any difference to this conversation; that would also be why I like anime, because I'm a chink. I just like the feeling of working through computer problems, and I've used Linux since I was young.
Regardless, I hope this somehow lends more credence to my words, since you were concerned that I might have been a "basement dweller."
>>52546873 maybe you are stupid and after years you still dont get what is upstream and all this jazz about packages cause you are making not much sense, manjaro is a disto, it consists of packages, most of them like arch, pure upstream
you claiming you had some arguments with manjaro users who claimed to not be hard on manjaro seems really out of place
in any rate whatever you say about manjaro as being unreliable goes double than for arch
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