/hpg/ - Headphone General

>>52513283
aren't those significantly more expensive?
aren't those more neutral instead of bassy?

apparently they're the same price in the US, but in the EU they're double the price for the original & you can't get the 553
There's a mark II of them which is around the price of the dt770s though, is it actually the same tho

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>>52513343
They are more or less neutral

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I have already a pair a audioengine a5+ for a couple years. Would it be worth "upgrading" to the JBL LSR305s - is the difference noticeable? My current setup is very simple: o2+odac analog output > a5+

I don't know what I would need in addition to what I have now to get an LSR305 setup working proper. I would try to sell the a5+, so that money would be available to buy additional components. I also have an old Yamaha CA410 I could use.

>>52513489
i mean, probably not worth it
but do whatever you want

as a side note though, are those speakers the correct height? note that the tweeters are supposed to be the thing at the same height as your ears

>>52513489
LSR305s are considerably better. Whether you see the worth is up to you.

soundmagic e80, about to order, is there anything that I'm missing that's bad about them?

The headphone jack on my iPod Touch 6 sounds terrible but only with my AKG K550 and if I twist the connector. I can plug my headphones anywhere else and sound fine even if I turn the plug around, plus, any other headphones I connect to my iPod sound good.
Any idea what could be causing it?

>>52513651
they're in ears

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What have you done to make your headphones comfy, anon?

>>52513850
actually bought decent headphones

I'm looking for a site which had headphone measurements and has been posted here once at least. It was a Japanese site, had a handful of measurements including Sennheiser HD 600, HD 580 and some Sennheiser on-ear with really impressive measured performance for such a headphone(HD238 maybe?). The whole site was really simplistic and looked like a relic from the 90s designed to run on almost any web browser and low resolution displays. The plots had frequency response and distortion, possibly impedance too and all together in the same image. Anyone remember it or has it in bookmarks?

Is there a way to force mono out for certain application? Like some games.

I need some new IEMs for my daily 1h30 x2 commute in the subway. Currently rocking apple headphones. Please help me.

>Budget
What I expected to pay would be 70€, but I don't have a hard limit. I want the best comfort/quality for the value, so if you say that going from 70€ to 100€ reaches the sweetspot, I'll believe you (Even 150€ or more, but you'll have to convince me)

>Location
France

>Source
Phone, Nexus 6P, It would be mainly for listening in the subway.

>Preferred type of headphone
IEMs

>Comfort level
Really important. I already had shitty IEMs that slipped from my ear after 45 minutes, and it pisses me off.

>Preferred music
I listen to everything. Literally. On my phone I have some Electro, Classical, Rap, Metal, Pop, etc.
Mainly electro currently.

>Past headphones
Shitty sonny IEMs I bought for 20€ a few years ago (I liked them and thought they were ok apart of the ear-raping treble), Apple headphones recently (I honestly was expecting them to be literal shit, but they are only half-shit)

>>52514137
get comply foam tips
if you get e10s with comply foam tips you come to like 70ish $

I don't really know a lot about IEMs tho

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shilling for best wafiu

>>52514417
the worst waifu in these threads even

>>52514241
Sorry, I should have mentioned :
The comfort is quite important, but not as important as the sound isolation, that has to be near perfect (Hence the IEMs)

>>52514617
get comply foam tips, they offer excellent sound isolation, people say it's significantly better than stock eartips

from one of the videos I watched on them, the isolation series are the best both in comfort & isolation

>>52513907
http://www.sam.hi-ho.ne.jp/t-suzuki/audio_headphones/sennheiser_hd239.html

>>52514664
>isolation series are the best both in comfort & isolation
It is, but Comply durability is subpar. The foam is almost too soft for its own good, and they aren't.
Also, I think most people don't know how to wear Comply tips.

>>52514693
I'd rather deal with durability on eartips than bad comfort
All I know about IEMs is that normal rubber eartips make it feel like I'm shoving an oversized q tip down my ear, the tips don't do jack fucking shit
Atleast with this foam shit I think it'll feel good, I also doubt he'll have trouble with that shit falling out

In the last days my Grado SR-60i gone shit, so i decided that i need new ones.

>Budget
Something between 50 and 100€

>Location
Germany

>Source
PC, Laptop and mobile phone.

>Preferred type of headphone
full sized ones

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
as long as i can wear them for 3-4 hours without having trouble i am fine.

>Preferred tonal balance
maybe a little bass boosted or neutral

>Preferred music
mainly Rock, Punk and Metal, sometimes Techno or Rap

>Past headphones
As mentioned the Grado SR.60i. A lot of IEMs.

I´d really love it, if you could remove the cable. I tend to break these often.

>>52515011
m40 might not have enough bass for you, but it's good and has a detachable cable

>>52515045
You are talking about the Audio Technica m40x?

And do you (or anybody else) have a other recomendation which has more bass. My roommate has these and i hoped for a little bit more.

>>52513295
What eartips do you guys use for your earbuds?

>>52515181
youre practically wanting niggerbass then. dt770 80ohm

>>52515181
m50x is a more expensive version with more bass, still not that much tho

if you have the extra budget & time you could get a dt770 and mod in a detachable cable

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Got a pair of these in the mail today. My second pair of maymay headphones™ after the ATH-M50s.

Can someone explain headphone burn in? Is it legit or placebo? Is it even measurable?

>>52513489
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ILY MAN

>>52515296
Where'd you get them from? That eBay seller? They legit or fake?

>>52514664
Huh, looks neat. Thanks anon.

>>52514417
Nice headphones and one of the best waifus but kind of meh taste on music

>>52515391
A well known and fairly large shop that also happens to operate on eBay (but also has retail stores in my country). Comparing it to that Polish post on how to recognize fakes, they appear to be legit. Got them for ~40€ so they better be.

>>52515296
Those are still my favorite portable headphones after all these years.

>>52513884
>M50's aren't decent
Get off your high horse, faggot.

>>52515326
It's bullshit. It's you adjusting to them not the other way around.

>>52515326
placebo
if there is any merit at all to it, it's 10-20 minutes at most, not several hours like people say

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>>52513295
>>52513343

Does anybody know the best way to get headphones repaired if its simply an issue with a bent cable near the jack?

I would buy new ones but my phones (picture related) are discontinued!

>>52515566
soldering probably

>>52515566
Yeah. Buy a new jack for $4, splice the wire and fix it. It's not rocket science.

So here's a probably retarded question.
Are headphones that cover your whole ear as to desktops as in-ear headphones are to laptops?
Like am I going to get more bang for my buck for the big ones?

Because I need new headphones. I've been relegated to use ipod headphones after my good ones have become too finicky. They both work, but only if it's resting a certain way, you know? And I wouldn't mind the big ones if they're better in some way.

>>52515766
Bad analogy, but yes. Investing in some decent headphones will most likely blow you away in terms of sound quality and even comfort. Fill out the form if you're interested in actually looking for some that fit what you want.

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>>52515918
I think he's not talking "is more money access to significantly better headphones"
I think he's asking "will the same amount of money get me signficantly better headphones than it will IEMs"

>>52515766
I think you mainly get headphones for the comfort
I can't deal with IEMs, even though they don't sound that bad

The old cheap shit like pic related felt like shit, I recently got pistons 3, they feel even worse because the hard plastic shit is directly inside my ear now.

I'd take headphones over IEMs any day of the fucking century, the only reason I got IEMs is because most headphones aren't very portable and I don't have any foldable ones right now.

I think at low and mid pricepoints, headphones beat IEMs in sound quality, but in high pricepoints, IEMs take over

>>52516013
I much prefer IEMs but nothing can beat a high class headphone. Don't cheap out on headphones.

>>52516013
>but in high pricepoints, IEMs take over

Nah. High end is dominated by full-sized for the most part.

>>52515918
>>52516013
Thanks, mates.

Budget: $50 I can go close to $100 if it's really worth it.
Location: US
Preferred type: Either right now.
Open/closed: Closed, (or IEMs if you have the time and patience to include that as well)
Comfort level: Pretty comfy. Let me explain. The IEM one I have were nothing more than soft, flexible, thin rubber that went in my ears. It came with a bunch more options, including that same rubber option with like one going over another one like a layer. And there were foam ones. Each of these felt fine. I also wear glasses so if the ones that go over my ears are too tight then it could be a problem. Could be. I've had some decently tight ones before that didn't really go all the way around my ear and pressed the side of it into my glasses and it was... fine-ish.
Tone: I-I think I prefer neutral or mid-based? I like to hear the little things in the songs because I listen to videogame music and remixes and I listen to the same songs a lot and sometimes I find some hidden little beat in there that I start to love and listen to for that reason.
Past headphones: Can't recall exactly but the side of them says Visang.

The ones I had cancelled out the outside world. I don't think there was an active thing that did that, but I couldn't hear my loud ass phone ring or the people talking right next to me. I mean I'd feel the vibrations of their voice but that was it. I like that.

>>52516150
>>52516114
really? I keep hearing above the 500$ pricepoint nothing beats the clarity & neutrality of CIEMs

>>52516207
MDR 7506/V6
e10 maybe for IEMs

>feel the vibrations of their voice
what the fuck

>>52516207
Oh yeah. I only plug them into a dell headphone slot on my desktop. There's no special sound equipment if that affects anything.

>>52516226
>What the fuck
They're sitting right next to me. I can't hear what they're saying but it's like a hum like how you can feel your desktop whirring when it's sitting on your desk.

I'll check those out.

>>52516226
>I keep hearing above the 500$ pricepoint nothing beats the clarity & neutrality of CIEMs

They don't. CIEM's are a meme just like surround sound headsets and 12 driver IEMs.

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Is the HE400S as good as Shyll from InnerFidelity says it is?

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AMPERIOR GODDAMN SUPERIOR FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>52516323
No reason not to get the superior 400i for the same price.

>>52516334
No memes pls m8 what's the difference between the Amperior and the HD25-II?
They look the same desu

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>>52516334
Everyone knows it's you, you bass-loving chink.

>>52516396
ching chong purrrr ? ^_^

>>52516369
You're question was answered a few threads ago,gasshopper

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Ello

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What are the best sub-$50s you can get that don't require an amp and can work for both general use and portable devices?

>>52516350
superior? depends, really. if you want that flat bass, yeah, get the 400i. but the 400i is also a tad bright

>>52516507
Shit, I did ask this earlier but I must have missed it.
;_;

>>52514693
>http://www.sam.hi-ho.ne.jp/t-suzuki/audio_headphones/sennheiser_hd239.html
Yes, thank you.

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Just got my porta pros. Disappointed. Coming from gud headphones, everything on the portapro is mushy, cant pick out anything in space. The only "pro" if you will is the comfort when the ComfortZone is set to light and the incredible head strap adjustment. I paid $40 for this.

Did I get swindled? How much are they really worth, sonically?

>>52516975
They look like fucking shit and are the only headphones by Koss anyone ever mentions.
I don't know why you were expecting quality from them

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What's your guys opinion on AIAIAI products? I'm looking for a decent price for headphones. I tried these guys once at best buy and compared them to other headphones they had and I seemed to like this brand the best.

>>52517092
because everyone said they were gud, like all over the place. Now I'm stuck with fuckin shit

Are the Superlux HD681 EVOs any good? Do they require an amp?

>>52517135
wait hold on a second. you were buying them not to be portable/

>>52517135
I bet you got memed by that Fontana faggot. Nobody in /hpg/ mentions the Koss, even when talking about budget or comfort.

>>52517158
I bought them for comfort when my ears couldnt take my gud pair and iems are too close to the old drums. I wanted to put them on and forget I was wearing them and be able to enjoy music, movies, or games.

>>52517135
Can you define what you meant by your "gud headphones"?

>>52517206
be better off just buying something huge and then getting some brainwavz pads for it

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>>52516542
Lower impedance(Doesn't translate to higher sensitivity!)
Price
Different cable mounting
Different frequency response*bit moar mid bass)

>>52517250
Dont want to get into a flame war over brands, but M70x.

>>52517285
the brand isnt the problem here. the m70x isnt a good headphone

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>>52516226
>MDR 7506/V6
So uhh. Are these still fine if I'm plugging them into a toaster (modern, but still a toaster)?

Anyone got some testimony? I like hearing what anons have to say on the subject. Forums and reviews are... ehh. But I have a feel for what's bullshit or not on 4chan over the years and believe it or not, I trust Anon.

>>52517285
PortaPros cost like 6x less, what were you even expecting.

>>52517323
as long as you dont hear anything wrong, then nothing is wrong

>>52517349
Good enough for me.
I've made my choice. Wish me luck. And if I fuck up my dad has those other ones and I like 'em and it'll only be a $40 fix.

>>52517388
im sure youre going to love them, not even the first guy that recommended them.

be sure to drop a review here since we love dat shit. keeps the thread alive

>>52517423
Will do, mate. I've got a few things here to compare them too.

>>52517297
0/10

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>>52517423
>be sure to drop a review here
OK.


Not trying to ruin that guy's day but I got the MDR-V6 a few weeks ago and I ended up sending them back because I just couldn't deal with their fugging treble spike.

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>>52517516
oh yeah dude check out this magnificent work of art

>>52517533
yes, theyre definitely on the trebly side. can i ask how old you are? im not implying anything about this, im just wondering

>>52517555
the m70x sounds great and is great.Are you attempting a troll? You hear with your ears and not with some graph, get over yourself pls

Anyone knows what exactly changed when Beats were purchased by Apple?
I've heard people say Dr Nigger dindu nufin he a gud boi and the evil Monster CEO made the headphones shit.
How are they now that they switched to Apple? anything changed?

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r8

>>52517555
I'm 20, why? Do people become less/more sensitive to high-pitched sounds as they age?

>>52517641
Yes
You can even be born less sensitive to those sounds

>>52517533
I'll be getting the 7506 after reading a few things. So I'm not afraid. Besides I'm not a super bass guy. Sure it's fun for when you don't want to hear anything outside the headphone but since I like vidya music there are all sorts of bleeps and bloops and chips and dings that end up being on the high side.
I'm actually hype as fuck now. I hate these god damn plastic ipod headphones.

>>52517684
get porta pros instead. They sound the same, cheaper, more comfortable.

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is this right?

>>52517777
Yes in a very simplified way.

>>52517641
while you lose frequency as you age, you for some reason become more sensitive to treble at the same time. younger people, studies show, arent so sensitive and can hear higher at the same time. and i mean really young btw, like less than 20.

>>52517777
in concept, sure. but when youre talking about headphones vs a speaker system, and whether or not its an anechoic chamber or not, things get hairy

Picked up some Philips SHE3590BK/28 to replace my old apple earbuds. Did i do good?

>>52517777
That orange graph is both warm and dark
the Blue one is cool and bright. Warm and cool refer to mid bass and below, bright and dark refer to upper treble and above

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Any opinions on SteelSeries headphones? Specifically Siberia P300, v3, and X100.

>>52517833
Really now? Someone actually defined these loose terms by frequency basis?

>>52517867
wait, you didnt know this? theres lots of audiophile shit terms, but these arent one of them. theyre just fast ways to specify common fr biases

>>52517858
If you want gayming shit at least get the Hyperx Cloud II

>>52517905
Nah, just because they're on sale and thus a whole lot cheaper than proper good headphones I can't afford atm. Though I wonder if it would be worth it in the end, maybe best save the money for better ones.

>>52517931
um, which cheap set are yuo talking about exactly? why dont you just save us some time and fill out the request form?

>>52517323
MDR's are great for budget and great for no amping, I used them for ~4 years and I honestly still love the sound of them. Amazing quality for ~$60-80

im considering these 3 IEMs: RHA MA750, VSONIC GR07 Bass Edition, Dunu Titan1. i listen to a pretty wide range of genres and i really enjoy bass but not an excessive amount. which of these three would be best? source is computer/android phone

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>>52517882
No I mean I find it hard to believe that everyone agrees with you on that definition. A lot of people understand what a bright or dark implies in sound but to say that they mean something more precise than what the graph at >>52517777 shows just sounds unlikely. I personally don't really care. I hate how some audiophiles tend to use these really vague terms to describe a sound signature "precisely" and invent a definition to a word on a whim. It's equal to wine or cigar tasting yet unlike those everything in the sound could be (fairly easily)quantified and defined precisely which would be infinitely more useful than reading the reviewer's impressions.

-

Pic related is the EQ to make HD 650s magical.

>>52518028
it seems like that if youre new. everyone whos been in this for awhile knows dark, bright, cold, warm at the very least

terms youre thinking of that are shit are shit like liquid, lush, massive, sparkly... even as bad as something like "laid back." what the fuck does that mean? if i had to guess, id say it just means dark

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>>52518028
>I hate how some audiophiles tend to use these really vague terms to describe a sound signature
>uses EQ software

>>52518084
not that guy but i have no idea what this is supposed to imply

>>52518108
EQ fad is the new hipster tube amp craze.

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>>52518108
If you need to EQ your headphones they're shit to begin with m8

>>52518128
its not the same thing. an eq can be used to mimic a tube amp, sure. but it can also be used to attain neutrality, even if it is done in some dubious ways. the point is that theyre different no matter how you look at it

>>52518144
so you just expect everyone to own some hd600?

God damn son of a bitch!
If I had pulled the trigger just a half an hour sooner the fucking things would be here Thursday.
Fuck fuck fuck. That is frustrating.

>>52518074
You forgot ethereal, spacious and all the other nonsense words.

>>52518108
using an equalizer is becoming popular
so it must become a meme as well

>>52518169
>>52518169
>attain neutrality
>literally distorting the music

Choose one retard.

>>52518189 (You)

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>>52518171
> Fun sound

>>52518171
i wasnt trying to create an extensive list. but sure, feel free to make one

>>52518180
apparently these people think using an eq is the same thing as using a tube amp

>>52518189
these are two different things. dont you realize your headphones arent producing a perfect rendition of the music in the first place? dont you realize that a decent eq will make your headphones produce a better rendition? are you literally brain dead?

>>52518128
>>52518144
>>52518180
Oh thank god.
I've been reading this and I have no fucking clue what he's saying.
http://www.head-fi.org/a/how-to-equalize-your-headphones-a-tutorial

>>52518218
and you will find that the people that dont know what hes saying are the only ones saying it's not a good thing to do. hmmm.. seems i might be able to find a correlation

>>52518074
>it seems like that if youre new. everyone whos been in this for awhile knows dark, bright, cold, warm at the very least
>new
Far from it. Just the first time I see someone pulling off some accurate definitions for these common terms past the overall tonality. Heck even with your definitions it's still only a vague definition as relative loudness of frequencies is more complex to our ears than a straight tilted line.

All of the other definitions you listed there can just safely be skipped in all audio reviews.

>>52518084
Hey friend I can greentext too!

>doesn't use equalizer
>anno domini mmxiv

pick one

>>52518128
If you really want to have accurate or even enjoyable sound reproduction, you should be using DSP. It's far from a fad. It's an extremely effective way to fix the major problems in response. There is literally no downside if you do it right. There is no headphone on the market which wouldn't benefit from using DSP.

>>52518169
>its not the same thing. an eq can be used to mimic a tube amp, sure
You need more than a simple equalizer to mimic harmonic distortion. Entirely possible with DSP.

>>52518189
Equalizer is doing the opposite unless you are a moron who can't use one.

>>52518218
That's a shit guide.

>>52518229
>tfw proof reading my post after sending and i can't into greentext

>>52518215
This retard is actually trying to justify distorting music. LOL

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>>52518259
For you my friend I recommend these power cables for true transparency and truthful reproduction.

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>that feel when K7xx master race

>>52518259
its quite clear you dont understand how digital and analog signals work
please just try to keep the amount that you help people on here to a minimum

>>52518277
>>52518327
Is this some troll I don't know about are our EQtards this retarded?

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>>52518444
>Is this some troll I don't know about are our EQtards this retarded?
before eq you should make sure your signal chain is pure. power cable should be the FIRST upgrade.

>>52518483
definitely. dont forget the wood risers

>>52518483
You think the people who buy this shit have ever looked at the wiring in their own house?

>>52518522

Um, you plug this shit into solar, dumbass.

>>52518522
yeah what are you talking about idiot? only the sun has the purest power

>>52518570
You think they ever looked at the wiring in their solar panels and their DC to AC transformers then?

>inb4 old soviet pocket reactors for purest power

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>>52518522
>audiophiles use mains power
lmao

They obviously regenerate power using AUDIO power conditioners.

http://www.6moons.com/archivelibrary/accessories.html

Better educate yourself and read those reviews about AC line conditioners.

>>52518616
Aw shit. I forgot about those pointless things.

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>>52518650
>"Lightning quick, delicate and refined: Perhaps the most striking effect of the Liquid Air cables was their speed, slam and grip. Even higher end and otherwise lovely sounding power cables from other vendors seemed a bit woolly or muffled by comparison. The Liquid Airs are very expensive to be sure but the kind of musical experience they deliver is suggestive of turning the spigot up all the way."

Honestly can't stop kekin.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/audiomagic5/4.html

At night, less equipment is switched on or active in your home and the surrounding residences, factories and office buildings. Every device drawing current from the power grid adds a little signature to this grid by way of electro-magnetic pollution. It might be a small amount; it might be a large amount. The fact is, at night this pollution is less than during the day. This EM pollution on the grid is audible through our beloved audio systems as noise.

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>People keep saying how great the SHP9500 is
>It's been discontinued
Some Chinese company should clone the fucking things.

do you guys even use emi control for your ethernet ports? please tell me you think your signals from all your streaming services are perfect.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/sotm2/1.html

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>Budget
$200
>Location
USA
>Source
HTC M8 Phone
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Preferred tonal balance
Bassy.
>Preferred music
Electronic and folk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_KfnGBtVeA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQRS40OKNE
>Past headphones
I had some of pic related, Sony with Extra Bass and I loved the thump the little drivers made. They were a little static-y at loud volumes, though.
Own some Beyerdynamic DT 770s. They don't insulate against sound, and the bass isn't as punctuated as I'd like.

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>>52518973
>wants more bass than dt770
jesus christ

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>>52518999
d-did the extra bass shit spoil my tastes? i wanna feel it shaking my whole body

>>52518828
>People started saying it was great only because it was being discontinued in the first place and was on clearance sale so they all got it cheap

Who I really feel sorry for are the people who went out and drove it back up to full price because of the memeing.

>>52519050
the bass on those things are already massively accentuated and beyond what the recording intends.
try yamaha eph-100

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>tfw tinnitus

>>52519305
what headphones do you have?

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>>52519305
>tfw tinnitus from minwage job

Here's the situation, /hpg/: One friend is trying to buy another friend something audio-related for his birthday, and it's basically settled on some sort of expensive earbud. I'm asking on behalf of the purchasing friend, after some trying-to-not-make-it-obvious-you're-getting-a-present discussion with the birthday friend.

So unfortunately my ability to answer any drill-down or response questions is limited, but on the upside, I'm not purchasing OR using them, so I'm not worried if recommendations come up short of perfection.

>Budget
Maximum 150 USD, ideally around 100 USD
>Location
Germany (will probably be bought on amazon.de)
>Source
An unimpressive laptop, most of the time. Occasionally an iPhone.
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM. Bud-shape or sightly-in-canal style.
>Comfort level
Comfort preferred over sound (from what I gathered, he dislikes anything that hooks around the ear or goes *too* deep in it, but can deal with some of it in his canal).
>Preferred tonal balance
I can't say what his preferences here are, and so will defer to the "Preferred music" section.
>Preferred music
House, Drum and Bass, sometimes Post-Rock.
>Past headphones
Cheap-ish earbuds of some sort (best guess is $20 range). He switched over from closed headphones because he likes to fall asleep with them in.

Thanks in advance! You guys are awesome and helped point me toward my HD595s over six years ago, which are still going strong today!

>>52519305
>>52519350
Try acoustic coordinated reset neuromodulation
It worked pretty well for me

>>52519105
I have tiny ear canals so those won't work, but thank you
does anyone else know some nice bassy IEMs?

>>52519366
>He switched over from closed headphones because he likes to fall asleep with them in.
look, I would recommend not getting him that then, sleeping with earphones on has a probability of fucking your ear and will definitely fuck the IEM's

>>52519366
SE215

>>52519408
IE80 if you can get those for $200.
Otherwise try SE215 although it is just bassy, not mega-bassy.

>>52519366
http://eu.akg.com/akg-products-eu/akg/all-headphones/beanies.html

what about these? they're gimmicky but from a good brand. you will not want anything in-ear while sleeping it will fuck up your ear canal.

>>52519464
Thanks, I'll pass that on as a recommendation to Birthday Friend as a change in his behavior, though I'm still expected by Purchasing Friend to give him a recommendation within a day or so. Could you perhaps recommend one IEM and one alternative headphone, in case he is swayed by your idea that he not sleep in them?

>>52519520
>http://eu.akg.com/akg-products-eu/akg/all-headphones/beanies.html
As you say, that looks gimmicky as all hell, but might just pass the muster as it's a birthday present. Thanks for the idea!

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>>52519305
>>52519350
>tfw all you anons posting about tinnitus have made me paranoid

>Get $100 el cheapo monitors from friend
>M-Audio Studiopro 3
>Sounds far better than any headphones I've ever had
Why the fuck did I waste so much money on headphones when $100 speakers sound infinitely better?
Did I fall for a meme?

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>>52519595
Anon-chan, turn down your volume!

>>52519630
I want to be hardcore, but my fear of tinnitus won't let me.

looking for good closed headphones that are comfy - budget is $250

>>52520038
beyerdynamic dt770 pro, 32 ohms
e x t r e m e l y comfortable. these are best for listening in a quiet environment though, they don't block out yelling etc

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Living in the US is great; I ordered the MSR7 at 1AM this morning and free same day shipping got here at 7PM. Listening to them now. Thanks anon from like 50 threads ago for the recc.

Will triple flange tips fit my KZ-ATE?

>>52520138
was probably me desu. enjoy

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Sup senpai

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>Philips dropping out of the audio game altogether

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>>52513295
what happened to speaker threads? I wanna upgrade my shit with my christmas bonus but the last update i made was pre-2013

>>52513447
feels like the DAC is your limiting factor here?

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Hello!

>>52518169
>so you just expect everyone to own some hd600?
Franz, please....

What would be an "upgrade" if I like the sound with K702s a lot?

>>52522027
There's no upgrade until, let's say, 800$/€ or even more. If you don't mind to spend this much, you can simply EQ your headphone and try to make it more neutral.

> inb4 no, HD600 is better

>>52522058
It seems that way. I'm just having a case of the grass being greener on the other side I think.

I was really surprised to like them this much given the price K702s go for these days.

>>52522086
>It seems that way. I'm just having a case of the grass being greener on the other side I think.
It's understandable. The same thing happened to me when I had the X2. But then I tried the K702 and I knew that the grass could be greener even for a cheaper price.
>I was really surprised to like them this much given the price K702s go for these days.
May I ask how much you paid for them? Just out of curiosity...still more expensive = better is just an audiophile's myth. Things can be really different in reality (take K702 as example, it's not the only one).

>>52521680

where's the anime to go with all those memes

>>52522139
I've had them for a month. Amazon had them for $240. I have prime so free shipping.
I like them more than headphones in the $300+ range like the HD 600-650. Listened to DT 770 for a bit also.

Schiit Magni 2/Modi 2 ubers for the dac and amp. Think they were more expensive.

I actually nearly got the X2 but they were sold out.

>>52522174
I paid 198€ for my K702, whereas the X2 cost me 284€ and they weren't as good as the K702 imo. It's not strange that the K702 sound better to you than more expensive headphones, because the K702 are a great and solid choice in their price range. Any other headphone in the same price range isn't better, it's just different. One more great advantage of the K702 is its spacious and wide open sound, which is really difficult to find in other headphones.
> Schiit Magni 2
Probably you didn't need something this good to drive the K702. I use a Fiio E10K and I never turn the volume knob over level 2 or 3 for a loud sound in low gain. However, the Schiit Magni is a very reliable source.

>>52522168
> memes

>>52521489
Here's the under $1000 speaker guide

- JBL LSR305

>>52522247
>Probably you didn't need something this good to drive the K702. I use a Fiio E10K and I never turn the volume knob over level 2 or 3 for a loud sound in low gain. However, the Schiit Magni is a very reliable source.
Well the my original plan wasn't to stick with the K702s.

I'm a bit new to hi end headphones like these. I've just always used meh sounding headphones. But now I'm 27 and wanted some nice sounding stuff.

how does the E10K compare to, say, something like modi+magni?

>>52522342
From someone that has the Uber versions.
You need them together to tell the difference. The big difference is the Schiit stack puts out way more power.

Other than that I like the look of the Schiit stack a lot more.

>>52513295
Is a soundcard for my PC worth it?

>>52522373
No.

>>52522373
Depends. If you go to LANs and what not or travel probably. If not then external options tend to be better. And they free up space in the case.

>>52522373

Just get a DAC/AMP in one if you're new, family

>>52517323
>>52517388
I think you'll only dislike them if you didn't actually want neutral but wanted bass, which is the downside of the 7506, they're very light on the bass

>>52518074
sparkly sounds bright
liquid sounds neutral
massive sounds bassy or warm
laid back sounds like V shaped

no fucking clue what lush could be though

>>52519050
>more bass than dt770
I have no idea anon, I honestly think dt770s have the mos bass I've ever seen

>Budget
$900, ~flexible
>Location
Norway
>Source
Computer, Sound Blaster X-Fi HD (usb)
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-size
>Open or closed
Doesn't matter that much, as long as the neighbor can't hear me through the (somewhat thin) wall.
>Comfort level
Comfort is nice. I will be using them for many hours per day.
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral
>Preferred music
Emo folk, martial industrial, coldwave, post-rock.
>Past headphones
Just had somebody smash my Beyerdynamic T70s and need new ones. I had some issues with the weak bass in those, but I loved their analytical sound.

I was thinking Beyerdynamic T1s, but then I need a new amp too. I got my previous setup without consulting /hpg/ and thought to rectify that error this time.

>>52522793
>>Budget
>$900, ~flexible

wew momma
Do you think the wall is thin enough to let open headphones go through them?

>>52522804
I'm not sure, I haven't heard that many open headsets from the outside. Quiet conversation is around the maximum permissible sound level.

>>52522836
yeah I think you'll be forced to go closed then
I really don't know any closed headphones at that budget, so I can't help you

>>52520138
these are the highest cost ones I know that are well regarded

>>52522868
Cheaper is fine too, I'm not looking to burn money needlessly.

Regarding open/closed, I'm testing with my closed T70s now. Open headsets shouldn't be louder than closed ones when you have them off, right? And that's quiet enough. So open ones will be fine.

>>52522793
Audio-Technica ATH-W5000

>>52522974
I just feel bad suggesting cheaper headphones to you while you come from a more expensive pair and have a much higher budget

>>52522793
Can't really go wrong with HD800s if you can find a good price.

>>52522793
ATH MSR7 I guess. But you can take a look at PM-1 and PM-2, you may need external AMP to power it though.

>>52522985
Hell no.

>>52522985
I found a used pair of W5000 and a Yamamoto HA-02 tube amp for $800. Strongly considering buying them. I read the W5000 had some issues with not being adjustable and might leave gaps, but I'm reasonably sure my head is wide enough.
>>52523364
No good price in sight, unfortunately.
>>52523534
Could you elaborate a bit?

>>52523774
>tube AMP
m8, it'll have different soundsignature from your T70p.

>>52523774
http://ko.goldenears.net/board/GR_Headphones/5869725

It's a terrible headphone.

m40x owner here, can confirm they are not a meme and I'm very thankful of /hpg/ for recommending them to me.

However, one friend wants new headphones, so I'm thinking of selling them and putting some more dollars to upgrade to amp + AKG612. They are neutral like the m40x I heard, but is the upgrade worth it or I won't notice much difference?

>>52523941
you'll notice it quite significantly
they're not as neutral as m40x, pretty high bass & mids

>>52523941
The M40X are closed, the K612 are open and their sound is really spacious. This fact alone is enough for making a big difference out of these two headphones. K612 are more neutral, but they're more difficult to drive, however you don't need to spend much on an amp to drive them properly.

>>52523981
>>52523988
Thank you, fiio e6 good enough amp?

>>52523981
>they're not as neutral as m40x, pretty high bass & mids
K612 are more neutral: https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-a/

>>52524004
I don't know about E6, but a E10K should definitely be enough.

>Budget
$170~ AUD, can go a little higher if it's that much of a difference
>Location
Melbourne, Australia
>Source
Back of motherboard
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Preferably closed, though if it doesn't have too much sound leakage, open is good too.
>Comfort level
>>>/r9k/comfy/ tier
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral is ok. Slightly bassy(?)
>Preferred music
vaporwave
>Past headphones
Broken HTC earbuds

>>52524143
dt770 pro 80 ohms
it's more than slightly bassy, but comfortable as fuck

>check price comparison site
>cheapest is 260 AUD
Damn you straya cunts

m40x is 130 AUD
m50x (third detachable cable that's short and more bass) is 180 AUD

think those'll be your options anon

>>52524225
Where does the M50X cost $180AU? I can only find it for $200~...

>>52524247
>tfw better at finding price comparison sites than you
http://www.priceme.com.au/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50x/p-889240273.aspx
http://www.priceme.com.au/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50x/p-889240273.aspx
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=m50x&spos=3
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=m40x&spos=1

I'm not sure but I'm assuming these prices are in AUD

>>52524290
thanks, anon

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>>52515518
make me, pleb

>>52524367
come at me bruv

For $150, DT 770 Pro, DT 860 or DT 990 Pro?

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I have a question about the Fiio E10K, can you 'hotswap' it between Linux systems (i.e. can I take it out and plug it in again without rebooting and have it still work?)

Could someone with a linux system and this dac/amp test this?

>>52524773
770

Gave the ear pads on my K7XXs a good hand wash yesterday because they were getting kind of yucky, and let them sit in a little dish drying rack thing afterward, been a good 18 hours or so since but I still feel a bit of water in them, is it ok to use them like this? Or must I wait until they fully completely dry?

>>52525458
It may not cause any damage using them now but personally I would wait

>>52525482
Ok, anything I can do that might hurry it along that won't damage the pads? Is using a hair dryer ok?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/philips-fidelio-x2?mode=guest_open

This seems like a pretty good deal. I would've jumped on this if I didn't have a pair of HD650s. Thoughts?

>>52525640
at that price, really good deal

>tfw own K712, a HD598 and some portapros
>they all sound the same to me

I guess I'm getting old. And deaf from my left ear.

What headphones pair well with O2+ODAC?

I don't think HD600 do at all.

>>52525728
Did you really think about amplifier synergy?

>>52525776
It just seems to be a highly talked about combo but after listening to it the treble is shrill and grainy.

Is the E10K really the right amp for me?

The manual says it's suitable for headphones from 16 to 150 Ohm. The DT880 has 250 Ohm, however.
Furthermore, it has a 105 SNR. That's considerable worse than even my onboard sound with 112 SNR. However, that onboard sound lacks the oomph to drive those cans.

>Budget
Around 100$

>Location
Europe

>Source
Laptop

>Preffered type of headphone
Over ear

>Open or closed
Open

>Comfort Level
7/10

>Preferred music
Rock, jazz, heavy rock, classical

>>52525826
558 if you can get it
takstar hi2050 if you can't

>>52525809
Well, I won't stop you if you believe in synergy. Try the bottlecrack for synergyze with the HD600. I heard those two "synergyze" quite well. Just because synergy is just matter of coloring sound that some EQ can compesate with and done the job.

>>52525809
Not him, ideally a DAC and amp are not supposed to "pair well" with headphones, just convert and amplify the signal with minimal distortion.

The HD600's treble is considered more subdued (one of the more common complaints about it), so if you are hearing it as shrill I'm not sure what's going on there. Does it sound better on different sources?

>>52525854
Yeah I've seen that one too. It seems incredibly stupid to me to pay $300 for a kit you have to put together yourself.

But then again I'm not a DIYer.

>>52525868
I don't have any other sources to compare it to unfortunately.

>>52525883
Just plug it directly into the headphone jacks on whatever hardware you use to listen to music.

>>52525908
That makes it sound objectively worse, almost lifeless with no dynamics or bass whatsoever.

>>52525929
But how's the treble?

Hi /hpg/ I'm coming here to thank you all for recommending me to buy Samson SR850. One of the best purchases I made in my life. they're lovely.

>>52525935
I can't really compare it, it sounds so bad there are no details to compare.

>>52525971
I probably recommended it
did it come with velour or pleather pads?
do you also find the clamp to be too strong (it got a lot less after a while for me)

>>52526008
Yeah, it come with velour, that's why choose over Lux. I don't think the clamp is too strong, maybe a little but it will get loose I guess.

>>52526028
I just kept it on my knee for a while

>>52525812
>manual says it's suitable for headphones from 16 to 150 Ohm
Just ignore that. You are looking for voltage output level and the current output. Chances are they will be well more than enough.
>it has a 105 SNR. That's considerable worse than even my onboard sound with 112 SNR
SNR does not correlate in that way. Again, you are looking for voltage output level
Furthermore, a common tactic for mobo audio vendors is to quote the chip specs in its reference implementation, and not the actual device with many non-ideal conditions and restraints. In short, the spec means nothing.

>>52525992
Then you have a couple options.

You could try alternatives like Magni/Modi (comparable to O2), Bottlehead (tube meme), DAC2/m920 (mega-placebo), going to an audio store to try their selection, etc. since you don't know if it's the amp/dac or the HD600. There's also that your individual ears might be more sensitive than most to whatever treble frequency peaks are in the HD600.

Then another option would be to return the HD600 and get the HD650 or something, since I have never heard of anyone who thought the HD650 treble was shrill or offensive.

>>52526038
Do you have a big or a small head? I'm a great head, so if you're small, won't find it strong.

>>52526084
I don't fucking know dude

>>52526122
Well, if you don't know you probably will have a normal head. If you have a big head people usually tell to oyu in a offensive way so. . .

>>52526140
it's not like I talk to people

>>52525809
>treble is shrill
Pull down 4-5kHz.

>>52526071
Yeah it could be that these just aren't the headphones for me which is disappointing because I really thought they would be my end-game setup and I'm giving them a hard time for nothing.

>>52526068
I have a X99-Deluxe, and I do believe the audio solution is way above average, it's one of their main advertising points. Basically they reserved a separate portion of the board just for audio, and nothing else to reduce interference. However, you may be right in that they overquote their actual performance. Realtek themselves quote the chip at 115 SNR.

So, I'll just try and listen a bit.
Where can I read up about that voltage output stuff?

>>52526205
Yeah, the HD650 might be worth checking out since it's basically a warmer version of the HD600. Tube amps also tend to make the sound warmer, so you could always try that Crack.

If even HD650 sounds shrill, your ears/brain are very different from the norm.

>>52526068
Hmm, when I turn the knob to 8, I get something around an estimated 85dB, just on the edge of uncomfortableness. Not sure how much I'm ideally supposed to be getting.

Newfag here, can you guys tell me what I need to know when looking for a good pair of headphones with some actual quality BASS? Instead of just pointing me in a direction ala "Here you go, these have great quality BASS!", I'd rather learn about them from a technical standpoint. That way I wont make the same mistakes again. Yeah I bought in the Amazon winter sale hype and ended up with a pair of shitty headphones with little to know BASS.

>>52526417
m50x my friend.

Is burn in a thing?

>>52526417
frequency charts

>>52526459
no

I have bought Jabra Revo 2 year a go ,fantastico

>>52526215
>Where can I read up about that voltage output stuff?
The board unhelpfully does not list that as a spec.
Fiio e10k lists the spec on the website. They list the number as Vp-p(peak to peak voltage) for a larger looking number. The number you want is in Voltage RMS (Root Mean Square), which is about 2.6 Volts.

Or did you want to know how voltage means sensitivity?

>>52526358
>Tube amps also tend to make the sound warmer
Or not, maybe more trebly. Or no real difference.
>HD650 sounds shrill
Depends on the HD650, some actually might be shrill.

>>52526459
>Is burn in a thing?
Mechanical suspensions are too stable for that. Not enough to be a notable difference, unless you want to count pads wearing in a break-in, a much more real difference.

>>52526545
Mainly, how voltage impacts sound and makes a good amp.

>>52526433
>Google
I see. Look nice. I'll take your word for now.


>>52526477
>Google
Ok. I see I've got tons of reading to do. Thanks.

>>52526694
remember that frequency charts of different sites aren't interchangeable

>>52526584
>voltage impacts sound and makes a good amp.
Voltage makes the force on the driver that makes sound. More voltage makes for more sound.
The purpose of an amplifier is multiply the input voltage with a minimum of new introduced artifacts. Obviously, the amplifier needs to at least be able to produce the voltage that makes enough sound.
It should do this without distortion or noise and maintain a flat response as is needed.

>>52526417
>what I need to know when looking for a good pair of headphones with some actual quality BASS
Mechanical design. How the pads are made, how the driver is fitted inside the cup, and so on.

>>52526715
What would be next step up from a E10K? I'd like to compare the specs.
I'm also still considering getting a pair of K702s or K712s to compare them to the DT880s. I mean, they make nice sound. but the best I can compare them to is how they sounded without the amp, or my shitty G35, which only made good VoIP sound. Damn that noise filter is good.

>>52524982
It would work, but you'd get some mild distortions.

>Budget
£150 (Flexible)
>Location
UK
>Source
LG G3
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Preferred tonal balance
Warm(?) - unsure because only non shit-tier headphones I have are X2s
>Preferred music
Hiphop

>Budget
400USD or 600CAD
>Location
Canada
>Source
O2+ODAC
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ear
>Open or closed
Either, isolation isn't necessary and I will adapt, sound signature is more important
>Comfort level
Preferably all-day wear
>Preferred tonal balance
I'm a mid-head, I want a sound that is mid-forward, even to the point of being aggressive. Bass should have impact but doesn't need to have insane quantity or depth, I found the HD600 bass good enough. Treble is where HD600 let me down though, I need to be excited and engaged by my music and the softness of the HD600 wasn't doing it for me. I don't think fatigue is an issue for me.
>Preferred music
Punk and rock with female vocals.
>Past headphones
HD600

>>52526894
400i

>>52526763
I dislike the concept of audio "upgrades". Besides more voltage level, modern audio electronics tend to be good enough at what they do right below max level. You can boil down the reasons for an amplifier/DAC to.

-Is it too quiet?
-Is the output impedance too high (fixable by equalization)?
-Is there noise/EMI or hiss to it?
-Does it sound distorted as you start to crank up the volume?

I suppose we can add features, inputs/outputs to that, but that's not necessarily sound quality.

>Budget
Cheapest that does the job properly, up to 1500 Euro
>Location
Germany
>Source
PC, will be looking for a fitting amp later
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-size
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
High - very high
>Preferred tonal balance
Analytical. Sharp. Precise. Accurate. Clear. Cold. Meticulous.
>Preferred music
jcore
>Past headphones
K702

>>52526934
DT880

>>52526919
Is there an active $300 deal on these anywhere? Cheapest Canadian reseller has them for $679 CAD which is going to fuck me in the ass after tax so I'd rather buy it from the states and freight forward it.

>>52526927
I can't comment on the second point, but I can say that I don't hear any hissing, distortion up to max volume. I can still listen to max volume, so it may or may not be too quiet. I wouldn't want it higher, or listen at that volume for more than 15 or 30 minutes, though.

>>52526979
I can't find a sale
heard AKG headphones do good on mids aswell, so maybe pick up a 702

>>52526417
Frequency response measurements and distortion plots although the latter has considerably less importance and practically none if the frequency response is fucked up. This also kind of depends on what you consider "quality bass". Some people just want colored and emphasized bass reponse, I'd consider quality bass something that simply extends low and the response stays flat.

>>52526934
HD800S

>>52526894
CD900st.

>>52516508
Top keke

>>52526934
HD 800S I guess. It's meticulously analytically inaccurate and bright. Treble certainly sharp and overall response without EQ undoubtedly cold.

>>52527103
The worse, rarer and more expensive version of V6/7056. Why?

How do you connect your headphones to your pc? Until recently I used a jack my keyboard had, and it was very comfy, but now I replaced it. Front panel is not very good for me both because of how it's positioned under my desk and because I unplug them very often to use with other stuff. Should I get some kind of hub or something?

>>52527087
>>52527167

I can't find them anywhere for sale. Are they out yet? Google tells me they've just been unveiled. Definitely looks interesting though.

What's a good pair of headphones for watching porn? Ideally in the $200-400 range.

>>52515011
I got myself Sony MDR XB 950 this month. So far I am enjoying them.
They cost 88€ at Saturn online shop.

>>52527043
In practical terms, impedance is just something that affects the response and balance. It is headphone dependent and can corrected by parametric EQ, if you were willing to bother doing that.

>>52527196
>anywhere for sale. Are they out yet?
Jan Meier has been selling them for a while.

>>52527219
AKG550

>>52527180
Most cases I had tended to have a lot of static and interference out the front panel. Not sure if it was because I fucked up assembling it or what,

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>>52513295
Another post topic ruined by weebs

>>52527180
Objective 2 and ODAC combo.

>>52527196
One anon here has them. They are on sale already but don't know where.

>>52527256
>entire thread ruined by an image
ok

>>52527256
This /hpg/ has had the least shitposting in quite some time though.

Clearly the problem is not the weebs.

>>52527245
>interference out the front panel. Not sure if it was because I fucked up assembling it or what,
Interference is common and normal in that situation.

>>52526874
I want to hurt the person who thought that IEM isolation does matter, and wrote that in the rec template.
Isolation?

Do you mind large earpieces? Over ear wire or cable down?

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>>52525728
Pairing is meme.

>>52527238
I'd certainly be willing to put in the effort to set this up properly.

>>52526784
Thanks. What's the reason for the distortions you have predicted?

>Budget
50€
>Location
Finland
>Source
Phone and O2
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral or good mids. Not a fan of lot of bass.
>Preferred music
Jazz
>Past headphones
AKG K501. I need iems to use on the go. I want kind of similar sound to my K501

>>52527358
e10

>>52527219
Etymotic ER4-S

>>52527349
>I'd certainly be willing to put in the effort to set this up properly.
See
>Is the output impedance too high
If it is low enough, it doesn't matter. Sometimes the change is desirable, such as with certain in-ears.

The frequency response is defined by applying a constant voltage to a speaker/headphone. Impedance before the headphone load just limits the voltage that actually gets to the headphone. This impedance is frequency dependent.

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Are these Marshall Monitor headphones worth €100?

>>52527508
No. Terribly bassy, average comfort and build.

>>52527508
no, they're awful

>>52527489
What's the easiest way to tell if it's too high or not?

>>52525640
> barely audible sub-bass
> enhanced midbass
> recessed mids
> harsh treble
> still not less than 200$
Maybe metal-heads will find this a good deal.

>>52526894
From what I understood you want a brighter headphone than the HD600 without sacrificing mids and bass. DT880 250ohm and K612/K702/K701 should be ok to you.

>>52526934
Don't you like the K702, anon?

>>52525640
HD 650 is better than that but it's a good deal.

>>52527810
They recently .. had an accident.

I was about to buy the Bose Quietcomfort 25, but when I tried them out I found out they allow frequencies people talk at go through the filter, so to speak. This defeats the whole purpose for me, as I wanted to use them at school when working. Are there any headphones on par with these that doesn't have this retarded feature? Preferably in the same price range.

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>>52527763
>barely audible sub-bass
>enhanced midbass

?

Please explain, I'm illiterate and bad at comprehending things

>>52527877
Anon is referring to the frequency response of the X2s which have a lot of midbass and a steep roll off in frequencies lower than that. It's an exaggerated comment though, the bass extension is pretty nice on the X2 and the highest amplitude in bass response is gladly lower than 100Hz, around 70-80Hz.

>>52527955
>around 70-80Hz
Right smack in the middle of, wait for it, mid-bass. You used to dynamic roll off or what because it does not have nice extension.

>>52527600
Ideally, an informative chart that just tells you the impedance to frequency.
They usually just quote it in reference to a specific frequency, much as headphone manufacturers do, which usually works well enough.
Below 2 ohms would be enough to make it irrelevant to any headphone, lower than 1 ohm for speakers and multi-driver in ears.
The ratio usually quoted is to have the headphone load impedance be 8 times the rest of the impedance.

To explain what is going on:

Voltage in a circuit, such as plugging your headphones in, is distributed in proportion to the impedance of each part . High impedance parts get more voltage, low impedance get less voltage. For now, the output impedance is treated as just another impedance in the circuit, and it eats voltage that the headphone would otherwise get.
Headphone impedance usually varies with frequency, so if there is a significant amount of impedance in the circuit compared to the load, the headphone gets a meaningfully different voltage at different frequencies. The headphone would get more voltage at the impedance peaks and less in the impedance dips.
If the load impedance were constant, such as in planar magnetic headphones, there would be no change in response. It would still be a waste, the voltage still wouldn't get to the headphone.

There is a key assumption being made here, in that the impedance of the output is constant. If it wasn't, such as rising impedance in the lows for example, the load would get less voltage in the low frequencies, less bass.


Is this clear?

>>52513295
>Budget
200$ +-
>Location
Europe.
>Source
PC Sound card.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-size
>Open or closed
Likely closed.
>Comfort level
High
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral? Maybe some bass.
>Preferred music
Rock, blues, funk, jazz, progrock.
>Past headphones
Sennheiser RS-160, enjoyed em but they broke.

Right now considering dt770 pro, msr7, hd 598 and akg k550. Compared to my previous phones, hds 598 appear to have too little bass, according to the charts. Anything out of what I've mentioned or anything else? Will try to check out the sound at the store.

>>52528040
100-150Hz emphasis would be much worse than that. I just EQ my bass frequencies on all headphones which have roll off. X2 bass extension is very good for a dynamic open headphone.

>>52528076
Yeah, that was fairly straightforward.

Google told me "something under 1 Ohm" and <1.04 Ohm for the E10K, so I should be fine?

>>52528293
>X2 bass extension is very good for a dynamic open headphone.
No it's fucking not, stop spreading this bullshit.

>>52528293
>for a dynamic open headphone
So bad extension, got it.

>>52528326
It is. Show me a dynamic open headphone with clearly superior extension.

>>52528333
>So bad extension, got it.
Hardly bad. Inb4 graphs of ruler flat planar bass responses and everything else is shit.

>>52528393
>how me a dynamic open headphone with clearly superior extension.
HD800, HD650, K7XX, DT880, DT990. All much better extension than the X2. X2 has more of a 'typical' shitty roll off you'd expect from an open dynamic.

What are the differences in audio quality/sound between open and closed headphones?

>>52528457
Closed is more isolated with more easily achieved bass and a smaller soundstage.

A good open trounces closed though to the point where you would only get closed if you need the isolation factor.

>>52526934
AKG K812

I know nothing about headphones but i'm a britbong looking to get a pair for £60 or less i mostly listen to [spoiler] Rap and Vidya Osts[/Spoiler] i've been told to avoid beats and i have an Iphone which i'll be using them with on the bus to and from college any recommendations?

>>52528496
It's horrible. Very high bass distortion, very harsh and sibilant treble. Literally worse than the shilled K702 and the cost of it is ridiculous for the performance.

>>52528420
Those are all really similar. There's difference in amplitude of the bass relative to the rest of the frequency response in between all of them but the extension is really similar. The DT990 for example just rolls off at least equally much as X2 and the highest magnitude bass response is around 100Hz on the DT990. Idk, boring graph talk. Just pick whatever and EQ.

>>52528496
Really had my eye on those already.

>>52528298
>I should be fine?
Yes.

>>52528457
Closed headphones have a more complex and inconsistent response in the bass. Extra enclosure reflections in the mids and highs for a more discontinuous response

>>52527877
Sorry let me explain further and better. X2 have 2 bad flaws imo. One of them is that their sound is unbalanced: their enhanced midbass (going from about 80hz to 200hz) overshadows the details in the mids and their pretty weak sub-bass (going from 20hz to around 80hz) doesn't make some tracks sound as good as they should; add to all this that their treble (aka high frequencies, going from 2khz to 20khz) is a rollecoaster and can be very harsh sometimes. This makes them suitable for only the few music genres that are heavy on bass, but they might sound bad even for these ones. Their second flaw is their terrible reproduction of dynamic range (aka the reproduction of volume variations inside a single track). Ideally, you want a headphone that accurately make things sound louder when a part of the track is more intense and vice versa.

>>52528629
>Closed headphones have a more complex and inconsistent response in the bass. Extra enclosure reflections in the mids and highs for a more discontinuous response
Do you think this effects the perceived "soundstage" and "openness" which people usually report from open headphones vs closed?

>>52528648
>Their second flaw is their terrible reproduction of dynamic range (aka the reproduction of volume variations inside a single track).
Eh?

>>52528629
Alright. Thanks for your extensive help.

Now the only thing to fix on those 880s are the damn earcups. They're so fucking uncomfortable. They touch the top and the tip of my ear, and are WAY to warm, my head is cooking. Who the hell thought making earcups fluffy is a good idea?
And it's a tad bit too tight, but that might loosen a little with time.

>>52528696
Let me translate that for you
>They are very far from neutral

Which I also agree means it's junk.

>>52528749
But being colored does not affect the dynamic range they are capable of producing. In fact I fail to see how almost anything could affect that past the physical limits of the transducer. It's a minimum phase device. Its response is quite colored yes but magnitude response variation is still the same as in almost any headphone when the same audio is being played. Someone wiser can correct it I'm wrong but dynamic range is really not what is "limited" somehow in the X2.

>>52528651
If I really wanted to test this, I would do this in an anechoic chamber with in-ear mics to carefully capture impulse response.

Crosstalk effect is often assumed for open headphones and with the sound from one driver is delayed slightly as it moves around the head to the other ear. However, the crosstalk attenuation with open headphones is somewhat high, even with such designs such as the AKG K1000 or the Stax electrostatics. Therefore, that contribution is limited.

The only other things I can think of are in driver distance and frequency response. Frequency response definitely has an effect on direction (and this is well known), but not so much stereo width. Noise might be one of those secondary not-directly related factors that might enhance sensation, but I doubt that.

Has science gone too far?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET9TWgel7ec

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