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Dankest memes edition

>Buyer's Guide:
http://pastebin.com/QJD7fSGU

>Where to Buy:
http://pastebin.com/8Yku80VL

>FAQs:
http://pastebin.com/M5w7QtKp

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first for memes
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>>52496552
this is just for show, right?
how the fuck do you get anything done without numbers or punctuation?
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>>52496642
it's my daily driver.

it's surprising how fast the human body adapts to new things, no wonder we conquered the animal kingdom.
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I'm looking at the quickfire rapid and I'm seeing at least 3 different designs.
Which is the current one?
Even the amazon page features 2 separate designs, one in matte black with little branding and the other one in silver with gaymer branding up the ass

i just want a cheap red board without any ugly gamer styling on the case
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>>52496692
>crippling yourself by adjusting to un-ideal non-standard layouts
>reducing your productivity to zero when you're forced to use a normal ANSI/ISO layout keyboard.
i am literally lmaoing at your life
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>>52496552
Cringe
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>>52496676
>no rainbow keycaps
I am of disapoint
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Friendly reminder that you too, can get the full topre experience for only $10 USD at any thrift store!
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>>52496763
>$10 USD
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>>52496763
I go into thrift stores regularly and look for mech switch keyboards and have had no luck yet.

Did get an IBM buckling spring a school was tossing though.
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I found this keyboard whilst moving furniture old furniture from my job's old office. it feels amazing and sounds like sex under my fingertips.
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>>52496760
Im only going to get teal caps for my outer keys. Donate me some then :p
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>>52496676
Is that beargguy gashapon?
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>>52496763
I see at least 15 keys too many in that picture
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>>52496839
>donate
woah there buddy.
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>>52496843
>gashapon
Nope hes bearguy! Gundam.
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>>52496860
come on bb~
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>>52496552
This is just retarded
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>>52496552
Are you the same guy with the pink pok3r and the tai hao miami caps?
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>>52496958
nope

those are nice tho
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>>52496948
>This is just retarded

are you implying you don't press shift for capital letters? it's the same shit
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>>52496552
this would actually be kind of neat if the bezels wasn't so fucking thick

what is even the point of this?
They omitted 20 keys and saved no space in comparison to the footprint of an hhkb
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>>52496923
wasn't there a drop on assdrop recently with rainbow keycaps ?

I need a new keyboard, the razer meme is getting a little stale.
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>>52497008
Yah I think there was but I was gunna get the Miami ones but some other expenses came up. Got a k400 for comfy posting for $5.
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>>52496818
pull a cap. what switches?
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>>52497008
The Keycool rainbow PBT keycaps drop occurs pretty frequently.
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>>52496818
pop a cap and show us the back of the board
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>>52497104
>>52497137
The back is attached to a bunch of screws, I am too lazy to take that apart, lol.

But it does have a model number: KB-US819 EB
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>>52496885
Right, but yours looks to small to be the HG 1/144 gunpla, and i didn't think they went smaller than that except for stuff like gashapon toys.
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I'm getting pretty tired of my full sized mechanical and am thinking about looking for a tenkeyless. The problem is that a lot of the boards I look at either look like riced out spaceships or have ugly logos plastered everywhere. Anyone know a good place to start for 80%?
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>>52497195
looks 1/144 bc of the holder
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Just bought pick related with mx clears. How did I do /mkg/?
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>>52497276
>fullsize
>rgb
>obnoxious red case
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>>52496736
I've actually wondered about that.
Don't get me wrong, I'd never use that crap as a daily driver, but theoretically, you should be able to make a 10-key keyboard fully functional as a daily driver. That is, if you take his side of the argument to the extreme.

If we take your side of the argument to the extreme, it's useless to have a shift-key, and every symbol should be it's own separate key. That seems much more inefficient than a 9 or 10 key keyboard.


While I'd never use a 40% keyboard, the arguments used against them are pretty ridiculous when you really think about it. 60% keyboards work so well because we're able to quickly use multiple keys at a time, we aren't limited to just pressing one.

To say you're limiting yourself by using one of those keyboards is pretty crazy, unless you're doing something with your other 9 fingers while you're typing.
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>>52496465

Those key caps look like they're fucking lego bionicles heads
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>>52497195
Its one of the smaller models they make I believe.
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>>52497299
what's wrong with full size and rgb?
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>>52497234
Im asking about the one on his keyboard
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>>52497300
the idea here is that the standard keyboard has been more or less perfected over the course of 150 years and every key you see on 80% keyboards has a specific function and a reason for being there.
Shift keys are better than effectively doubling the size of the keyboard.
The only reason to omit modifiers, all the numbers and all punctuation and brackets is if you fell for the meme and unironically think it's a good idea.
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>>52497194
pull a keycap off. grab it and pull right up
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Where can i get meow cap?
I've fallen in love with it
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>>52497352
YEAH NICE SCROLL LOCK FAGGOT

TRULY A MIRACLE OF USEFULNESS

IF ONLY I REMEMBERED WHAT IT DOES
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>>52497386
enjoy spending more money on a keyboard with less keys just because you can't stand the sight of 1 extra key
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Does anyone know how to save usd acceleration settings on a ducky?
It tells you how to change it but not how to save it.
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>>52497408
Why are you so angry at people who buy, what they like? If he prefers a fn layer over moving his wrists that's a personal preference, just like the type of switch.
I'm not a fan of 40% either, but it is way better than the 100th picture of a fucking HHKB or Pok3r.
It's something special and if you don't like that I respect that man, don't have to buy it. But to hate on the guy who actually doesn't just post pictures of his lame ass stock keyboard is pretty unjustified.
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60% (with optional separate keypad on the left) is objectively the best setup.
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>>52496763
I used to have this exact keyboard (with UK enter key), and it was a beast, until I spilt beer on it :(
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>>52497408
>>52497452
who fucking cares
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Memes you say?
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>>52497352
To say that the standard keyboard's been perfected over X years is still a bit of an invalid argument. It's not like the world's come to a consensus and agreed on a standard layout, in fact, they've become much more divided over the years, especially around the 70's+ when we started getting crazy with the key placement.

Now, I don't think those 40% boards are going to catch on, and again, I wouldn't take the time to bother learning to use it, but having to move your hand from home-row -at all- is a lack of efficiency, especially when it could so easily be solved with a simple key-press from one of your 9 extra unused fingers.

If we're talking about efficiency, stenographers have seriously moved into the realm of efficient. There have even been a few keyboard layouts based on the stenotype, including the numbers and every other key you'd find on a full-sized board.

The fact of the matter is, the arrow cluster and everything beyond the main cluster are being eased out. There are some specific cases where you'd want to keep that cluster, but for the majority of people, there's just no use.

Now, in the case of the "refined keyboard" argument, there's no evidence anywhere that shows we've reached the end of the "refining" phase. Keyboards are clearly still being refined today, as evidenced by the surge in 60% boards.

Anyway, my main point is that we have 10 fingers but, at most, use three of them at a time on a keyboard, and that's normally for application-specific shortcuts. There's good cause to find use for the rest of your fingers while they sit around and wait for the next key to be pressed.
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>>52497276
You did good.

Pic related. HHKB is superior to the Shine 4 w/ clears in my opinion, but not by that huge of a margin.

Get the vortex translucent pbt caps and you'll be having finger sex with your keyboard.
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>>52497582
>he saved my color corrected pic
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Should I put light, linear switches on my modifier keys? I feel like the tactile bump and heaviness of my greens gets in the way more often than not when trying to press shift or enter
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>>52497647
Man up
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>>52497647
I wouldn't want to much of a discrepancy between the weight of my alphas and the modifiers, but I replaced the left shift on my old keyboard with a black switch and I can tell you that having linears on your mods is damn comfy.

pic related
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>>52497647
Shift maybe, enter no. I could see using a linear on anything that needs to be held down, but the bump is good for momentary switches.
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Received the Hypersphere Topre silencing pads yesterday - already put them on the HHKB and the Royal Kludge.

It does make the HHKB a lot quieter - the spacebar is still just as loud (annoying) and the Click Clack key I have on Esc still clacks (good) but it is quite nice.

On the Kludge there is a small difference in key travel IMO - the dental bands were actually much thinner than I thought they were - but that small difference does translate to a slightly different feel. Of course, that could all be placebo.

Are they worth the money? Ehhhh for the HHKB yes, the Kludge not so much
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>>52497755
Putting a pbt spacebar did good for the sound on my hhkb.

Now it's a deeper thud sound, I like it if I type fast it gives me rhythm
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>>52497854

I'd love to get a PBT spacebar for the HHKB but save for buying a full 87UB from Massdrop I can't find them anywhere.

Where did you get yours?

I have a feeling that if I were to lube up the stabilizer a bit more it would sound a little better
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>>52497877
Matt3o sent me a bunch for 10€ last week

He sold like 60 of them, so lurk the forums for classifieds of someone reselling them
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I want to try 78g zealios
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>>52497930
>tfw getting mine sent this week
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Just ordered a pack of these
W-will they help me get over my regret for falling for the topre meme?
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>>52498021
What exactly are you planning to do with those?

Use them to silence your board? Should've gotten a HHKB. Sweet plastic on plastic.
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>>52496692
>this much autism
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>>52498021
This is not how you use those.

Also that's cherry mx brown.

Also hhkb is the true pingless™ board
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Daily reminder that the μTron is the best keyboard out there
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>>52496763
Does it really feel like Topre switches? I just restored a Dell Quietkey I found in my parents garage and I actually quite liked the way it felt.
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What's the best topre keyboard that is tenkeyless and also has function keys and is not a meme happy hacker lolnocontrolbutton.
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>>52498408
The Sony NEWS
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>>52498408
The control key is actually there where the caps lock (when the fuck do you ever use caps lock) key is.

Anyway, get a realforce. Was my second choice to the HHKB.
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>>52498408
oh fuck tenkeyless nvm just
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>>52498408
Novatouch tkl
Don't fall for the hhkb memesters
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>>52498445
The fact that there's no button where the control button should be is fucking retarded.
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>>52498476
autism actually
retarded would be if you put chocolate on your keyboard
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>>52497647
I did. I like it.
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>>52498476

>missing the point of the HHKB

The idea is that your fingers never really need to stray from the home row for functions, so there's nothing to gain by having something where the control button would normally be.

I find using any other board jarring now, like they don't make sense.

When I get the time I will be programming a layer on my Royal Kludge so it reflects the layout of the HHKB when I'm not gaymen.
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>>52498500
Yooo that board is looking good
besides those reds and the wieird choice of greys to hold spacebar up its a nice looking board
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>>52498476
I agree that you could optimize the use of space like that, but I don't really miss having anything there. You could even do away with the right meta and alt key for all that I care, but that'd look like shit.
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>>52498509
Autism: the post
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>>52498531
It's almost like you ran out of arguments and are falling back on calling people autistic.
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>>52498531

You'll say that until you use one.

My HHKB is probably the only piece of technology that you'd have to pry from my cold, dead hands.

The only reason I don't have one at home as well as work is because the layout just doesn't work for gaymen. I've tried, it's a royal pain in the ass.
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>>52498542
calling someone an autist isnt disagreeing with their point
just so you know dumbtard
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>>52498553
What kind of games do you play?

I only play insurgency, and having the control key right next to the WASD cluster is absolute godsend.
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>>52498553
>being so autistic that you hang out with faggots and post on a malaysian ice sculpting board
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>>52498579

I hang around for the epic bants, not the people here

>>52498578

Currently nothing as my GTX970 committed sudoku

Before that was a little bit of everything really. Majority of the time I was playing GTAV and The Crew but I was doing that with a controller mostly.

I mainly play games that are a bit older, back when I didn't have a waifu so I actually had time to play games instead of scoring chicks. The ones that spring to mind as the most recent are

Mafia/Mafia II
STALKER
Max Payne 1/2/3
CS:S / CS:GO

I found that the two things I missed the most in most games was the arrow cluster and the F keys, and especially in CS having control where it was was a right pain in the bum.
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Don't mind me, just being the best keyboard to actually get shit done. You kids can continue jerking yourselves to the sound of your keyboards while we actually use our keyboard to type.
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>>52498715
Jokes on you I type with my dick.
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>>52498715
best keyboard
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>>52498500
What are the purple ones?
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>>52498742
zealios
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>>52498657
Mafia I is god tier.

>>52498715
Microsoft's input hardware is bretty gud. Underrated. Wish they still made intellimouse.
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>>52498476
Because the HHKB is not based on the current-day ANSI/JIS keyboard, but the ASCII-style workstation keyboard.
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Wew lads my Filco M2 Red is in the mail`````
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>>52498509
>I find using any other board jarring now, like they don't make sense.
Holy crap, somebody screenshot this. Falling hard for the meme. Can't wait for the disillusionment in a year.

They're an alright keyboard, but damn you've got it bad.
The standard 'Ctrl' key is much easier to hit than the HHKB's 'Alt' key simply because of the way your fingers work. VIM users have been using the "Hackers" Ctrl key for ages. It's definitely a plus, but you can put that on practically any mech.
Defend the Topre 'switches', that's cool, they're overhyped - but definitely the best rubberdomes you can find, but you can't deny that it's more or less about looks. Moving that alt key 1.5u to the left would make much more sense than it's current position, but it would ruin the symmetry of the layout.

What trips me out is that Topre 'switches' have such incredible potential in terms of pressure sensitivity, you can read the capacitance during the entirety of the keypress, yet they haven't introduced any pressure-sensitive keyboards. I'm certain that it's simply a matter of software and -maybe- the controller (haven't looked into my HHKB enough to find the answer to this), but it would easily revolutionize the entire idea of "the keyboard".
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>>52499314
>VIM users have been using the "Hackers" Ctrl key for ages.
Are you thinking of emacs? For vim escape is more common.

>'switches'
Why the quotes? Discrete or not, they're still switches.

>overhyped
This, like "overrated", just means that you don't like it as much as people you see praising it.

>but it would ruin the symmetry of the layout
Couldn't you move the other side to the right as well?
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Where is the Pok3r love? They're the cherry version of HHKB, only $100 less
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>>52496552
i heard this was the meme thread?
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>>52496465
Thats the coolest thing ive ever seen used for key caps.
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...So i picked these up for 75 dollars.

Thats 12.50 each.
Not bad for the current state they are in. Anyone know where i can get the phone chord (Looks like an RJ 11) to plug into the keyboard for cheap online? I've done a few searches but I'm curious if someone knows something better.
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>>52500031
http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/Cables
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>>52499666
>>but it would ruin the symmetry of the layout
>Couldn't you move the other side to the right as well?
Older IBMs have that layout iirc, but it's more uncomfortable on the wrist since the board itself isn't positioned in those ergonomic-styled boards. Most people favour having the keyboard rotated in one direction or the other, so you could move the left or right alt.

>>overhyped
>This, like "overrated", just means that you don't like it as much as people you see praising it.
I actually don't dislike my HHKB, nor do I dislike Topres, but it's the fanaticism surrounding these boards that's I'm referring to. The cult following's gone far beyond Mac vs PC levels, which is nuts. Praising a board is fine, but saying that other boards are "jarring" is borderline fanaticism.

>'switches'
Why the quotes? Discrete or not, they're still switches.
Very much debatable. Mechanical switches physically close a circuit. Capacitive switches don't, and it's more-or-less down to the way that this works. It's similar to calling your touchscreen a 'switch'.
I believe that this is the greatest asset to Topre, though. With the right controller, they should, theoretically, be able to sense different levels of pressure on the keypress. I'm sure there are driving games that would love this, or shooting games that would love being able to adjust your movement speed with more accuracy.
Even beyond video games, you could move this into the realm of art; through a Topre keyboard should be able to play a beautiful piano or mix tracks in a virutal-DJ setup.
This could lead to incredible security systems for your computer - Just imagine your password being different every time, and it's displayed on the screen.
For example:
>Type: Oneness With Cup Rubber.
>Oneness With Cup Rubber
> _88% match in typing tendencies.
>Welcome AnonMKG
Being able to analyse typing habits is very much real, it's something I've been working on since 2014 with my old professor, and that's just with (cont)
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>>52499666
>>52500373
(cont on)
and that's just with measuring the time between certain keypresses and releases. Having the ability to sense the pressure used when typing is a virtual fingerprint that could top any other. Topre having not moved in this direction blows my mind.

>>VIM users have been using the "Hackers" Ctrl key for ages.
>Are you thinking of emacs? For vim escape is more common.
That's a fair enough point, and I'll cease my argument of it. I use VIM and use Ctrl+Space for Esc and Ctrl

Anyway, as what I'm assuming is a fellow HHKB/Topre user, you have to admit that the fervent support for these has been pretty ridiculous lately. Half the time I'm wondering if people are trolling. I'm an insane keyboard fanatic, I own way too many and should probably sell some and buy a car, but the hype surround HHKB over the last 2 months has escalated into proportions of lunacy.
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>>52499314

>Can't wait for the disillusionment in a year.

I don't think so Tim. I've already had it for two and a half years and I don't think I'll be getting rid of it as my main office use board any time soon.

>You can read the capacitance during the entirety of the keypress, yet they haven't introduced any pressure-sensitive keyboards. I'm certain that it's simply a matter of software and -maybe- the controller (haven't looked into my HHKB enough to find the answer to this), but it would easily revolutionize the entire idea of "the keyboard".

Actually the Royal Kludge can do this via a hotkey setting on the board. I haven't tried it as it'd be pretty pointless to use as there is a distinct tactile point on the board at which they activate.

Unless you wanted to change the capacitance to a point before the tactile point so you just have to tap them without bottoming out
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Just got my HHKB. Used the dip switches to change delete to backspace and swapped the position of the ALT and Option keys.. Out of curiosity, what can I use the option key for on a PC?
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Man I wish pic related had F-keys.
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>>52500719
i mean it does though
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>>52500743
Having to press Fn ruins it

I have this nice bunch of shortcuts that i love because they're just one keypress
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>>52500685
Anyone?? I have this option key on my keyboard but I don't think I can reprogram it and it serves no functionality.
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>>52500788
>i want this minimalistic keyboard but i wish it had a bunch of pointless extra shit on it too
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>>52500823
>I want this minimalistic keyboard with a change that would make it fit my workflow
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>>52500848
you can minimalism or functionality
if you want a keyboard with function keys and a numpad and macro keys, they make those
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>>52500888
I don't want the numpad, I don't care for PgUp/PgDn, that keyboard is perfect (and has a TrackPoint, yo), except for the lack of F-keys, which is why I posted about it.
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>>52500373
>Older IBMs have that layout iirc
They call it winkeyless nowadays.

>Mechanical switches physically close a circuit. Capacitive switches don't, and it's more-or-less down to the way that this works. It's similar to calling your touchscreen a 'switch'.
Then we're just getting into the "what constitutes a mechanical keyboard" argument, as the literal definition would have us include rubber dome + membranes. Model Fs are capacitative and Model Ms use membranes, after all - nothing is clear-cut and to use scare quotes only serves to draw resentment.

>>52500514
>Anyway, as what I'm assuming is a fellow HHKB/Topre user
NovaTouch.

>you have to admit that the fervent support for these has been pretty ridiculous lately. Half the time I'm wondering if people are trolling.
Here, or in general? Here, it's just that a couple guys bought them at the same time, talking about them and posting pictures. This drummed more anti-topre sentiment than usual, which in turn caused the HHKB owners and others to mock the irrationality with equally-irrational shit flinging. This is how 4chan works - it's not a reason to get Internet Mad unless you enjoy participating in that kind of dankery.
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>>52500565
I think you're misunderstanding (or I'm misunderstanding you), they have the ability to act as pressure-sensitive keys. So, for simplicity, let's saying with typing. If you barely press the 'A' key, it would give show a quite small letter 'A'. If you press it a little harder, it would increase in size, all the way up until you bottom out and produce a giant sized 'A'..

That type of pressure sensitivity. It would first be used in games I'm sure, but the benefit to security would be brilliant.

For gaming, if you were driving a car with the arrow keys, you could speed up by pressing the 'up' key ever so slightly (harder).

The hardware is already in the switch, that's the amazing part. From what I've gathered, it really boils down to getting a much, much better controller for the thing, and this idea would move beyond just 'a possibility'. They're sitting on something wonderful, but aren't utilising it. Meh.

Also, right on, I'm glad you're still using yours. I'm specifically referring to the people who are fanatic over them now. I've had one for a fair bit of time, and I don't really love it or hate it. I have a pretty big collection of different boards, and this really just feels like the most incredible rubberdome, but they don't compare to Mechs and the joy that I get out of my Mech hobby.
I think the people who call them 'shit' have never tried them, and I think the people calling them 'the last keyboard you'll ever need' are delusional, at least if they're a mech enthusiast.

Even if I had the perfect keyboard, I'd still need more. I may even be disappointed to one day find the perfect keyboard, since I'd have no more motivation to build, design, buy, interact with, the community and waste my time doing something fun. It's a nice change from life's monotony, and I'd hate to ruin that by finding the elusive 'Perfect Keyboard'
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>>52500565
How do you compare your RK to Real Topre?

Bought a Plum topre clone (probably the same as RK), didnt like it, now im not sure if I should spend on a topre board.
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>>52501055

Ah I see, like the triggers on a Playstation or Xbox controller.

I'm sure it's just a matter of figuring out how to program a controller board to do so.

Once I got the HHKB I was happy as larry for ages but now building a new rig for home so searching again.

>>52501090

The RK is about 80% of a real Topre. Misses the crisp tactile feedback, feels a lot smoother than genuine. If I had to compare it to anything it'd be more tactile than browns, but smooth like reds.

Of course genuine Topre is always the best though
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>>52497538
How does a rookie like myself get into such memes?
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Well, I've reached endgame.

This keyboard sounds, feels, and looks amazing.
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>>52501204
Nice man everyone loves hkb
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>>52501204
>that mouse
Man I know it has a really nice sensor, but I could never own something that ugly.
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>>52501274
It's really unfortunate anon. I really love the sensor of the mouse but it is very ugly and just doesn't fit the rest of my setup at all. I'm hoping Logitech releases a simpler looking mouse with that same sensor later down the road but it's not that big of an issue for me.
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>>52501204
>spend over $250 on a rubber dome keyboard
>endgame
sure man, enjoy your purchase
it's literally the best keyboard money can buy :^)
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>>52500968
>>Older IBMs have that layout iirc
>They call it winkeyless nowadays.
Ah, thank you

>>Mechanical switches physically close a circuit. Capacitive switches don't, and it's more-or-less down to the way that this works. It's similar to calling your touchscreen a 'switch'.
>Then we're just getting into the "what constitutes a mechanical keyboard" argument, as the literal definition would have us include rubber dome + membranes. Model Fs are capacitative and Model Ms use membranes, after all - nothing is clear-cut and to use scare quotes only serves to draw resentment.
I assure you the quoted 'switch' was only for the purpose of clarity, rather than to draw resentment. I care more about discussion than arguments. I suppose I could have been less hostile in my first sentence. I genuinely believe that those in the HHKB fad right now are going to bring nothing but negativity for the mech community as a whole in the future, though, until they become disillusioned with their product and see it for what it is; a quality rubberdome-capacitive keyboard. It's a great keyboard, but often lifted as if it's some deity of keyboardom. If somebody's truly into this hobby, they wouldn't buy one board and let it be it, constantly post about owning their "end-game" etc. bleh, it bugs me just to think about it.
It's like when people ask to compare a Topre to a Cherry switch, and somebody says "Ergo Clears" or something. It's ridicuslous. Compare it to a rubberdome. Say "It feels like a much more precise rubberdome that registers your keystroke before you've followed through with the click, and springs back up instantly". You can't describe that with a Cherry switch, they're absolutely different.
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>>52501204
>rubberdome keyboard
>end game
may be end game pricing but not end game product
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These threads are so boring when all you do is shitpost about topre all day
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>>52501447
People shitpost about everything, man. There are fags who say that the buckling spring is the be-all of keyboards, or how others are plebs for not having a KMAC2 or some shit. People are going to shitposting about something. Obviously things like "endgame" are laughable, but you're making a mistake by tying it to the HHKB.

>see it for what it is; a quality rubberdome-capacitive keyboard
I find it hard to believe that, when you cut away the bantz, a HHKB owner thinks anything else. Topre owners will often go out of the way to avoid mentioning the term "rubber dome" because it just draws inane comments like >>52501481.

>You can't describe that with a Cherry switch, they're absolutely different.
Most of the time I see people saying the same thing. Just let it slide, dude. You're thinking way too hard about this.
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Just ordered my Majestouch 2 with mx blues. How'd I do?
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>>52501166
Buy the signature plastics crap bag when they sell more of them.

You'll get a fuckton of random keys that were rejects (I think 3lbs worth?)

Some of them are mostly fine/ completely fine though, and you'll have a fuckton of keycaps.
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Just advised my imouto to buy the wasd code 87 w/ clears after she wanted "white lights and no numberpad keyboard too!"

I'm an alright oniichan yeah?
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>>52501617
>not telling her to get a 60% so you can buy her a purple aluminum case for her birthday
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>>52500968
(cont)
>>you have to admit that the fervent support for these has been pretty ridiculous lately. Half the time I'm wondering if people are trolling.
>Here, or in general? Here, it's just that a couple guys bought them at the same time, talking about them and posting pictures. This drummed more anti-topre sentiment than usual, which in turn caused the HHKB owners and others to mock the irrationality with equally-irrational shit flinging. This is how 4chan works - it's not a reason to get Internet Mad unless you enjoy participating in that kind of dankery.
I saw it play out completely differently. People posting about their "Topre Masterrace" and responding to any questions about MX boards calling them poorfags, and to instead save up and buy the perfect keyboard. Then you a surge of people buying Toppres (often first time purchases, never tried a standard "mech"), and then getting laughed at for falling for the meme.

It seems like the quickest way to destroy a community, but it's been picking up steam since last year (as far as I've noticed) and a lot more newcomers are buying them for their first boards and have that monetary bias toward them at that point, insulting people who disagree with their views. It's one of those things that happens from both sides in /g/, but frequently from newbies in DH and less frequently GH (where most people enjoy both for what they are).

I know 4chan's a place to blow off steam at this point, so I guess it's ironic that I'm doing exactly that, but I wish the board had more productive posters.

I had a current build posted about 5 days ago here, and it drew in some folk who might be interested in learning to build their own, but quickly became filled with the sputtering of back-and-forth between Zealios and Topre. "Neckbeard-this" & "Topre-that"

It's enough to lose confidence that this general can actually work as a community here. I almost feel like it would be better moved to /DIY/, and make just a standard /KBG/ here
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>>52501655
She said my poker II was "too small and lacking" (take that as you will)
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>>52501204
Just get rid of that cancer in the bottom right of your mouse pad and it'll be acceptable.
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>>52496465
>poor man's artisans
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>>52501768
>he's not part of le pc master race

Seriously though are there any good extended mousepads without any logo at all? Not having much luck finding one
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>>52501617
Is she a hard typist? Maybe browns would be better for girls.
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>>52501714
do you want to know why this general is dying?
it's because people like you keep replying to topre shitposters and post purchase rationalizers instead of answering questions about non-topre shit like >>52496696
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>>52500788
>Wanting to reach further for stuff
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>>52501537
>I find it hard to believe that, when you cut away the bantz, a HHKB owner thinks anything else. Topre owners will often go out of the way to avoid mentioning the term "rubber dome" because it just draws inane comments like >>52501481.
I suppose so, but that's the way I perceive mine, and I've a couple other buddies who don't think the exact same thing, but along the same lines, that they're great, but far from any perfect keyboard.

And also agreed that >>52501440 is a dumbass who's probably never tried a Topre, but the entire 'feel' of a Topre is due to the rubberdome, it's guided, sure, which is why I say an extremely precise, but it's the only way you could compare it to something. It just wouldn't compare to a Cherry switch, and if you took the Rubberdome out of a Topre, you'd feel nothing (maybe a bit of a bounce, if we're being technical)

Anyway, I've gotta get some sleep. Pleasure chatting with ya,

Cheers!
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>>52501815
http://www.amazon.com/Sentraq-Stealth-Ultrawide-Stitched-Waterproof/dp/B018BN34H8/ref=sr_1_1?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1453175030&sr=1-1&keywords=huge+mouse+pad+no+logo

there is also one on massdrop that pops up from time to time.
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>>52496843
>>52496885
>>52497195
>>52497234
>>52497315
Found it, it's a gashapon.
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/auc-toysanta/item/bs-150610az-12-002/
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>>52501907
Any idea if the one on MD is smaller? I really only need like 10" x 24"
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>>52501817
Gave her firsthand on blues and seemed to really like it, but I advised against it honestly because the noise it produces during late at night. Reds were a little "too soft", so it was either browns or clears. Browns sold out on amz, so told her to go with clears (lowkey I want to try them out too). Had an individual clear keyswitch for her to feel and said it was fine. I think it'll be alright and not straining. More pleasing than her current "emachines" keyboard.
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>>52501876
what are your multiple desktop shortcuts? mine are f3/f4 to go left/right, and f1 to show an overview of all the windows on the current screen

i can use it comfortably with one hand and it doesn't require reaching out

i think it's comfier than any of the two key combos i can think of
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>>52501946
8.52? shit man I got it from the weeb store for 5.
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>>52502043
>Use with one hand
That's the thing, often time it's still easier to hit easy-to-access keys, one on each hand, then to have one hand hit a harder to access key. So I usually just use ctrl-alt-left/right to switch desktops, or super-left/right.
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>>52502297
Isn't it better to move just one hand than both?
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>>52502489
Depending on where the keys in question are, it might be almost no movement.
But it's also faster, because your two hands can move to the needed positions simultaneously.
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Which one /mkg/
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Is there any mechanical keyboard that is quieter than membrane?

Or is there another alternative that is better, but quieter or as quiet as membrane?

my office gave me a budget to get anything reasonable including keyboards
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>>52502769
One is a gateway drug, the other one is just a keyboard.
Choose wisely.
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>>52502788
>reasonable
>mechanicals keyboards

pick one
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>>52502791
I know the HP one is addicting but that flat design with no gaps between keys man
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>>52502788
Any non-clicky switch with o-rings.
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LPer here any mechnical that is 100% silent so there isn't all that CLACK CLACK CLACK in my recording?
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>>52502885
do you play with a facecam?
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>>52502788
>>52502845
Even with o-rings, Cherry switches tend to make a pretty loud noise when they pop back up. Especially if the keycaps are on the lighter side and you have switches with strong springs. It's even worse than bottoming out noise because the delayed sound isn't useful as feedback.

I think the Matias switches are better in this regard, but it's just about impossible to find any TKL euro board with them and I hear their simplified Alps style design wobbles quite a bit.
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>>52502885
blues
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>>52502885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv342YneqjE
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>>52503078
This nigga is wearing a Daskeyboard shirt like he's not a shill lmbo
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>>52503078
Apparently this shit is just reds with o-rings.
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>>52501953
The one on MD is 12 x 36 in or 11 x 13 in.
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so are any WASD keycaps made with clear text for backlighting? I can't really find any info
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>>52502885
Matias quiet click.
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This is my first ever mechanical board, just came in today. How'd I do, friendos? Monoprice 13785. Cherry MX Blues. I do want to customize the caps a bit: for now just replace the win-keys with my preferred Linux distro's logo. There was a site I found where you could upload images to put on custom caps, but it's not in my history for some reason.
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>>52496497
>that hair laying on space & alt
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>>52503420
Forgot to mention: it came with a voucher for a wine site that doesn't ship to my state so if you like wine I'll give you the info. I don't like it anyway.
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>>52503427
one day anon, one day.
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>>52502845
>>52502995
here's going the other way

I've seen these in stores and have always assumed they would be terrible to type on.
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>>52503454
A $100 wine voucher with a $40 keyboard.

wat.
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>>52504080
>>52503454
not trying to burst your bubble but that company gives those things out with $20 purchases from newegg. Place I do business with that buys computer parts has a box of those in the front store that says take one
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>>52503454
I got one of those when I bought a $5 adapter from monoprice

i think you're supposed to buy at least $200 worth of wine before they give you the $100 discount.
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>>52500685
I did the same and put the switch on lite mode so now option is the window key.
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>>52504397
It's $160, but in any case someone responded elsewhere
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>>52503420
Hello friendo. For the record, this keyboard uses gateron blues and not cherry mx blues. Do not fret as many people find the gaterons to be better than the cherry mx. Also I am currently using the same keyboard if that makes you feel any better and I absolutely love it.

Super deal for a $50 board. The only thing that would make this a better deal is if there was maybe a $40 TKL version.
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>>52504979
I feel duped but still satisfied with my purchase. It feels and sounds very nice.
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>>52503794
I had a friend who used one of these for nearly a year for gaming and later replaced it with a daskeyboard :^)
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>466 memes and counting

Ayy lmao
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That feel when typing on a Cherry MX brown RIGHT NOW
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>>52505356
I kind of want to try one because I destroyed the tendons in one of my arms and it looks like it could be rather comfy for my thumb on that hand but DOES look pretty meme
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>>52505730
I'm sorry to hear that ;-;
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>>52505769
>tfw going from brown to reds soon
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>>52505793
out of the frying pan......
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>>52505798
Pfffft w/e
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>waaa topre killed mkg threads
> *proceeds not to post a single photo or question about mechanical keyboards*
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>>52496818
Do what >>52497137 and >>52497354 asked, I'm curious!
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The fuck is up with people with the retarded 60% or whatever keyboards and plain key caps? What is the point, how much can they fall for a shitty meme. Whats next, a keyboard for gamers that only consist of WASD keys, ALT and SHIFT?
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>>52506032
> Whats next, a keyboard for gamers that only consist of WASD keys, ALT and SHIFT?
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>>52506032
>what is the point

Efficiency meets aesthetic.
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>>52505356
I mean I've spent and spend a lot on keyboard but man.
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>>52506272
>efficiency
Oh yeah i guess moving your fat fucking fingers is too hard on normal keyboards. Well whatever you like.
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>>52506032
60% and TKL are acceptable. Anything over or under those are memes or waste. Honestly though I don't get your problem with 60% keyboards. Most of them have all the same features as a TKL keyboard but you need to press the FN key. How scary
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My dd is this kûl es87 tenkeyless with MX brownswhich replaced a Filco tenkeyless with browns as well. I prefer the kûl over the Filco in terms of build quality and materials. .
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>>52506336
>No iso
)C:)
No I won't switch to ansi, mom
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>KC60 stuck in customs
fuck this shit, my keycaps got through before
>mfw my $200 Granite set gets stuck and I have to pay 25% tax
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>>52506336
>Cherry stabilizers
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>>52506577
u like costar stabs? u fokken wutm8
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>>52506586
*smush smush smush*
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>>52506586
Yeah, I like my space bar and modifiers to not feel like shit.
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>>52503420
What the hell. Post more pictures, please. Why is the plate like that?

Also, cool keycap profile.
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>>52506609
google "clipping cherry stabilizers"
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>>52506612
So why do you use the fucking coshit ones?
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>>52506609
pong pong pong
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>>52506785
I don't have time for that kind of autism sorry
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>>52506842
>dont have time
>shitposts all day on a transgender anonymous forum
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IT'S HERE!
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>>52507239
Cherry MY are shit, but god damn, the keycaps. Only cost me 20 bucks.
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>>52507239
are you a meme
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>>52507254
>>52507239
>Only cost me 20 bucks.
Mad jelly here.
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>>52507254
Fellow German anon here.
Where do you get high-quality keycaps in German ISO and shipped to Germany? Couldn't find anything decent so far.
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>>52507307
Get a G80/81 HXX from Ebay/Kleinanzeigen, buy a GMK RGB Modkit (originative got some in Stock) search for a Cherry profile 6.25u spacebar. I guess that's your best chance to get a high quality ISO-DE keyset for cheap money.
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>>52507254
Nice caps. No shine at all.
Sell it on GH for those retarded GMKfags and buy a proper PBT set now.
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>>52507366
Who said I won't buy a EnjoyPBT set? I don't want to sell the cherries though, since I want to compare first.
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>>52507239
yo senpai plz tell me where you got that and if there's a swedish/norwegian or danish version
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60% keyboard people:
What have you done for Home, End, Delete, and arrow keys?

Having a super compact keyboard really appeals to me, but I wouldn't be able to give up that sweet sweet functionality.
(and I'm not ready to start doing all my work in emacs / vim)
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>keyboard without dedicated arrow keys
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>>52507569
Ebay. Dunno if Cherry ever produced doubleshots in nordish layout, but I guess. Take a look at this:
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_article_numbers
Gambatte ne, Kohaikun
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>>52507611
I don't really use the home key often. I don't use the end key often. I don't use the delete key. My 60% keyboard has arrow keys. FN + IJKL
But all of those other keys are still on my keyboard but I need to press FN.
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>>52496857
This picture made me void my bowels in anger
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>>52498408
Honestly, just get the 660c. It has the arrow keys the function layer is ridiculously good. PgDn, Up etc is basically linked to Fn+Arrow Keys. Really intuitive. Delete and Insert also exist so the only thing you might be missing or F keys. No idea what you would be using them for though.
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>>52507611
>60% keyboard people:
>What have you done for Home, End, Delete, and arrow keys?

I use them, what else?
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>>52507810
>having to hold a modifier key to access common keyboard commands
>people actually tout this as a "feature" and pay $100+ for it
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>>52508019
>2015+1
>having to hold shift to acces capital letters
SCHIGGYDIGGYDOO
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>>52507810
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>>52508077
>his tkl doesn't have a stop key
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>We are /g/, we are super serious
>Our keyboards are from a company called Happy Hacking

Jesus christ guys, look at yourselves.
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>>52508180
>>We are /g/, we are super serious
Who are you quoting

I, for one, am here for the memes
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>>52508180
The company is called PFU.
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Anyone familiar with Deskthority Round5/6 here? Can you mix and match from the leftovers?
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The memes are real. So where do I get these Topre keycaps from?
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>>52508075
>caps lock
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>>52508227
I have a Round 5a (6) set on order. Make sure, if you're going for the honeywell colourway, that you don't get anything marked SPH from R6 - that's the space cadet grey. "Grey" is the same colourway as R5.
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>>52508240
>MX-Lock on FN-key
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>>52508240
Fyi: there are people who need to capitalize letters mid sentence. Have fun doing that with capslock
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>>52508378
How often do you have to do that vs. moving left and right in text?
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>>52508390
I am German. We capitalize every single noun, so I am pretty sure that I have to use shift way more often than I use my arrow keys. I mean, all I use them for is PgDn etc. via the Fn layer, or for quickly browsing through spreadsheets. What else would you ever need them for?
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>>52508263
The red is the same? I think from both 5 and 6 I can get a fully red TKL ISO SE set... for $170
... And I'm dropping 200 on Granite

Who knew plastic was so expensive
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>>52508438
>editing a script
>doing anything outside a CLI
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>>52508230

You don't, because you aren't a weaboo.
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>>52508471
When I edit a script or paper I usually rephrase half the sentences anyway, so theres not much of a point in using the arrow keys to insert single letters. For typos I usually just scrap and retype the entire word as well. Dont know, I just dont use them that often. Another reason might be the fact that using your mouse will almost always be faster anyway, its just a bit more 'exhausting'.
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>>52497276
Nice meme keyboard
>>>/v/
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>>52508452
The red is part of the same colourway in both. Check the top of each non-leftover page for the exact colour codes.
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>>52508514
>eh, who needs letters anyway, I type everything through alt codes
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>>52508230
You need to rape a donor hipro
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>geekhack org/index.php?topic=78847

Cant wait for the butthurt. Provoking Mito is always funny.
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I got a SteelSeries M800 for free. Pretty nice keyboard of you want a near silent, but still nice feeling keyboard. Also comes with ricer leds.
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>>52509077
Wait, so sifo is actually mito?
I actually don't frequent geekhack because of this motherfucker and some other plain retarded people (looking at you, romevi).
It's just to much cringe to read their constant circlejerk.
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>>52509206
Nope.
People got mad at Mito because he as a faggot, now everybody is trying to run a Pulse copy for the butthurt.

This one is also pretty funny:
geekhack org/index.php?topic=78797
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should I buy a hhkb
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Just got this in the mail today. Time to build a nice little keyboard.

>>52509296
Depends. Do you want an HHKB?

If you want one, you should obviously get one. If you're uncertain, you should look around to see what else there is that suits your interests and needs. Perhaps there's something even more suitable for you than a HHKB.
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>2015+1
>not dropping 30$ on a 2$ made in china literal sack for your ergomeme
Shiggy diggy
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>>52509497
But you already got Alps there in Swiss!

t. Itabro
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>>52509552

I am so tempted to get the infinity.

But I don't see a reason too when I already have the original.
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>>52509590
>byonicle head cap
You went one meme too far there, kid
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>>52509552
Based jews.
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>>52509618

That isn't the bionicle head, it is the unnecessary flip up visor that makes it weird as shit to press cap.
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>>52509675
>no control
LITERALLY
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>>52509675

>That =w= keycap on the Q spot.

Where do I get that?

>>52509688
More like....OUT OF CONTROL!
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>>52509675
Holy shit, it looks like something you would find in a modern art gallery.
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Guys do I need to be real tech savvy to have a mech keyboard? Im just trying to replace my Macs wireless dumbass keyboard.
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>KC60 from massdrop get stuck in customs
>have to pay $40 import tax
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does anyone know how long the meme switch group buy will go on?

>>52509951
no?
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>>52509863
Ho god.
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>>52509675
>team liquid key caps
How does the disappointment feel, anon?
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>>52506336
Yeah you like that godawfull ping too? I had one for about 10 minutes before it went back in the box and got returned. Fucking thing has harmonics like a tuning fork or crystal glassware.

Listen with headphones for max cringe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAMJGk0Niko
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>>52509964
>his seller didn't declare a fake 12$ value

sucks to be you bro
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>>52510046
wat is that video trying to accomplish?

>omg opening and closing the feet makes noise! I totally do that 200 times a day!
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>>52510117
It's strange because my last massdrop package just slipped through

I'm actually gonna have to call the Postal service here. 30% can't be right
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>>52510322
>30% can't be right
In Italy you get 5-7% Import fees on product+shipping costs, and then 22% VAT on that all.

It's insane

>tfw my 218$ hhkb just slipped through
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My first ANSI
Clears
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>>52510362
you'll get used to it in zero time

I suggest you fully embrace it and switch to US INTL layout
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>>52510349
We have 25% VAT
But they fucking allow themselves extra for fucking import fees?

(I literally don't have a meme-arrow on this ANSI right now so I can't green text, but imagine this being one) $195 Granite incoming, going to cost me like $260
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I'm still waiting for the UK launch of the KM780 RGB (and the price).

http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/KM780-RGB-CherryKey.jpg
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>>52510384
I'll just abandon using Å, Ä and Ö in Swedish I guess
n-no problem
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Holy shit the enter button is hard to hit when it's this low
And instead I hit it everything when I want to type ' since it's where ' is usually
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>>52510421
no seriously look it up

you do the accented letters with some modifiers before like apostrophes and shit.
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>>52510421
I use ANSI and use äö when writing in German. I used Karabiner to set alt+o or a to ä or ö. Dunno what OS you're using, but there's probably something similar available for you.
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>>52510453
not working :/

>>52510469
I don't remember much from my German classes 15 years ago, but do you use Ä and Ö regularly? In Swedish they're in like every sentence at least
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>>52510530
>not working :/
US International IS NOT US layout.
It's a separate thing
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>>52510549
Thanks bro
Now to find Å
or get to fixing it up, it's fully programmable if I understand things correctly
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>>52510620
>Now to find Å

try alt gr + A
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>>52501588
Bumping for answer
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>>52510649
>>52510620
sorry W

>>52510650
filco is a good brand
blues annoyed me in the long term
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>>52510649
cool
I never knew there were so many Alt Gr options in US keyboard. On the Swedish I think there's only € and µ (among the letters)
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>>52510720
>I never knew there were so many Alt Gr options in US keyboard.

US layout is pretty poor.
that is, again, the US intl layout.

Have fun! àèìòù
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>>52496497
Why is that keyboard on rocks
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>>52507659
Yeah man, something about this. Makes me want to punch the faggot who uses it.
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>>52510748
sure, but I mean I would love having this filled layout of Alt Gr on my regular keyboard. I mean there are a lot of fun symbols on there.
What does the red ones mean?
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>>52510813
>What does the red ones mean?
those are muted characters.

if you press one of that and then space, it types the characters

if you press one and then a letter, you get the accented letter. see >>52510453
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Fuck clears are noice, its like a workout for your fingers
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Minor dump incoming
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Having this thing right under my hands and my eyes makes me feel pangs of regret over having switched to ANSI layout
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>>52511268
>apple is not hipster enough for me
>better build me an apple keyboard from scratch

is this your ride?
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>>52497316
Nothing. Different needs for different people. He just needs to feel superior, albeit over mundane things.

TLDR: Nothing, he's a faggot.
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>>52510145
It makes the same fucking noise when you type on it, This is just an easy way to demo the issue.
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If only the \ button was blue
why ducky?
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