Summer , just wait patiently, I can't wait to get myself a Central Processing Unit that will shut up the intel shills for half the price of an i7. God help us /g/ will be full of people shilling intel processors for the uneducated gaymers. I see intel similar to razer products unless youre going to buy a xeon.
Pic very related another overpriced placebo product. People should be buying chips based on their Raw Compute power, i can't believe people think the GTX 970 or 980 is better than its blatantly more powerful Radeon Counterparts, even disregarding the landslide difference in memory bandwith and VRAM capacity.
>>52492812 Functional untethered 8-core znver1 Summit Ridge A0 engineering samples with an estimated 95W TDP have now taped out on Samsung's 14nm FinFET and are undergoing validation.
It's not yet clear how well they will clock (but Samsung's 14nm FinFET process is slightly better than Intel's - Intel haven't pulled ahead with 10nm yet as that EUV process is very late, hence their Kaby Lake). IPC efficiency is very roughly equal with Broadwell, very slightly behind Skylake, but it's push and shove.
They are currently targeting October 2016 (ish) for release. AM4 motherboards compatible with Summit Ridge have chipsets already shipping and should be coming out around about March 2016 (ish).
>>52493743 >but Samsung's 14nm FinFET process is slightly better than Intel's Proof? Because Samsung is notorious for industrial espionage in the tech industry and has targeted Intel fabrications for decades.
>>52492812 No Zen based parts are due out any time soon.
>>52492898 Summit Ridge does not launch until the end of the year. The only thing launching this summer is AM4 motherboards and the desktop variant of Carrizo called Bristol Ridge. Don't spread disinfo.
>>52493802 There is no proof because there are no comparable parts produced on both nodes. You could look at test chips and vaguely extrapolate some details from each, but you could never make a head to head comparison unless it was the exact same IC.
By way of area scaling and density no one is near intel, though they quite clearly have been struggling with the node since mid 2014. Broadwell Core M launched in late 2014 and it was a small disaster. Desktop Broadwell was delayed, and ultimately pulled off market after only a couple months of extremely limited availability. Even desktop Skylake had limited availability compared to Ivy Bridge and Haswell at launch. Samsung has had no such issue since they brought their 14nm LPE online. Samsung/GloFo may end up hitting a real home run here simply by being able to churn out volume numbers of higher binned chips on their FinFET node.
>>52493802 I'm retired, but it's what I've heard from former colleagues in the reversing field and I believe it. Proof on that costs serious money, which Chipworks et al will gladly take if you want it that badly. It'll cost you six digits for that kind of 'competitive intelligence' espionage.
Samsung don't seem to be violating any Intel process patents. Don't know about so-called 'trade secrets'. Samsung may have a rep, but it's nothing that everyone else doesn't do to everyone else as well.
Samsung's been throwing more money and very talented engineers at 14nm: meanwhile, Intel's been trying to forge ahead as usual, spending their time to get their 10nm working - and failing, instead of refining their 14nm. GF are shipping, but late deliveries, and TSMC's 16nm has been a clusterfuck - there's a reason Apple dual-sourced. At least one AMD Polaris sample has been fabbed on Samsung too.
Hell, Keller moved over there from AMD recently once he was done with Zen. Not sure why: Exynos? We'll see.
>>52493932 FinFETs are great ideas in general, but that's where most of the process improvement comes. The feature size reduction isn't as significant as it sounds.
>>52494156 >The feature size reduction isn't as significant as it sounds.
I'm almost 100% positive you're the very same pathological liar showing up in all the threads recently. You have nothing to do with the industry, you never have, and its painfully obvious. 14nm has greater than a 70% area scaling advantage compared to 28nm. A 100mm2 28nm die would end up about 30mm2 or slightly smaller implemented on Samsung's 14nm process. The differences in FEOL and BEOL feature size are absolutely enormous.
You do not know what you're talking about. Stop spreading bullshit on this board to make yourself feel better. I will call you out for it every single time.
>>52494217 >I'm almost 100% positive you're the very same pathological liar showing up in all the threads recently Ditto. I thought he was a pro-Intel shill, but pathological liar seems to fit the bill better. Maybe even literally insane.
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