>>52490813 Twitter is safer. Egyptian political dissidents on twitter don't get caught. But egyptian telegram users get caught and jailed. Telegram likely cooperates with totalitarian states to jail their users. Or Telegram is easy to crack for totalitarian states.
Telegram is very nice and has a lot of cool features WhatsApp doesn’t. But the default communication mode is plaintext and its crypto is dubious apparently. The secure alternative, Signal, is really damn lacking in features.
>>52490978 >autodestruction timer on secret chats you can also delete whatsapp chats, they are also deleted from the archive >inb4 muh NSA still has the chatlogs same goes for your deleted chats in telegram
>>52490813 Its good, it doesnt lag, its nice styled and shit, it has security options BUT I hate the part that my gf is talking with someone and as soon as I check who is it, its only me, while I havent recieved a massage from her for at least a week... i guess im am being cucked
Shit app. >no voice chats >no secret chats on desktop >adds people from your phone contacts list without your consent >automatically adds people to your contacts when they sign up, without your consent >requires a phone number to use
why the fuck are people falling for this awful meme
>>52491109 lmao im laughing so hard because this is what happened to me. >>52491134 No this seriously happened to me. I'd check it sometimes and would notice that she was just on it and every time I'd ask her about it she'd say she wasn't on. She even tried to hide her status from me which was hell. ALSO to make matters worse I knew who the guy who. Someone she just considered a "friend" but you know shit happened. >>52491052 It's just a shit app fuck telegram
>>52491172 >adds people from your phone contacts list without your consent >automatically adds people to your contacts when they sign up, without your consent >requires a phone number to use Isn't this pretty much all phone messaging apps? All those who have a userbase anyway.
>>52491631 no need to spy on her, nor do a jealous boyfriend drama queen scene. just tell her you don't like things being hidden and if she is cheating on you you will break her soul. Remember to smile while you say all this to her.
Oh look: it's another Telegram shill thread, courtesy of Pavel Durov's PR department. (You could at least use a different OP image.) Pasta time:
tl;dr: Telegram sucks. For a phone messenger, today, use Signal instead.
- Telegram doesn't even encrypt most things: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/678065993587945472 - Telegram's MTProto 'secret chat' encryption is complete shit: https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/582245625103826944
Signal is a competently-designed, open-source (client AND server), end-to-end IND-CCA2 forward-secure phone messenger. Even Snowden recommends it: https://twitter.com/snowden/status/661313394906161152
Yes, Signal is imperfect. Here are the negatives: - It requires a phone. Not uncommon with phone messengers, but a pity for all those who'd like to finally kill, say, Skype. - Signal can't protect communication metadata. That is an open research problem: Ricochet & Tor Messenger are best current solutions, but neither protect against global passive attackers (i.e. NSA) or are very good for phone batteries. - Signal requires Google Cloud Messaging to wakelock phones on message delivery (but not FOR message delivery) - unfortunately GCM is the only reliable supported wakelock on Android 6.x+. [There is a nogapps Websockets fork - https://github.com/xmikos/fdroiddata - but that will drain your battery: that's the price you pay for no wakelocks.] - They took out the encrypted SMS transport: because iPhones could not also support it (programmatic SMS disallowed by Apple). - Signal has a desktop client, but that's a Google Chrome app that syncs to your phone. It works, but is far from ideal.
But it is the best we have right now.
The rest of this thread will, if history is any guide, probably be used to argue over the status of different desktop messengers, or userbases. Some cypherpunks are reaching for perfection here - but open research problems take time to solve. Until then, at least use something that doesn't suck.
>>52493350 Also > Disable mobile data and WiFi, send a test message to someone with Signal > It doesn't send It doesn't fall back to SMS? There doesn't seem to be an option to force sending as SMS to a contact that has Signal.
>>52493274 I'll agree that Signal could be much more if they also implemented more features. However, all those features I can live without because security outweighs it for me, by far. I'll agree that Telegram has some nice features, but so does WhatsApp, yet both real suck because they consistently implement pseudo security.
Take WhatsApp, it sends its media messages in plain text, but only advertises the fairly good encryption of normal text message. I said fairly good because without rolling your own keys and validating other people's public keys, it's not how encryption is supposed to be done, certainly not end-to-end encryption.
And Telegram still rolls their own cryptography while there's really no need for that at all. We have enough good cryptographic protocols and cipher suites already, but for some reason they wanted to design their own cryptography, which has been proven weak already.
Another problem: once you start sending SMS with Signal, you can't use SMS Backup and Restore to back the newly sent SMS up it seems. That's a pity and turns me off using it for SMS if I can’t move them to a new phone, or save them for a factory reset.
>>52493519 I use Titanium Backup to backup my applications. When you backup Signal using Titanium, it backs up your settings, messages, but also your private key that has been generated during installation. So when you migrate to a new phone, you don't need to bother people with them needing to verify your new public key.
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