>>52491440 That's because they don't give a fuck about consumer products anymore. That's not their business. They provide technological solutions to modern problems. For example they are in charge of a project in Stockholm that tracks cars entering and leaving the city centre and charges according to what time the vehicle comes in and out. What it did was reduce congestion and encourage co-workers to carpool to work rather than each take their own car. There's more of a "stagger" too so people who can afford to be at work a bit later than regular 8am or whatever come in at 10 and so on..
That's the gist of it anyway and one example out of hundreds. It's just what I remember from reading about it in an article years ago.
Tl;Dr IBM are focused on industrial scale tech solutions and R&D.
>>52492577 >do things the people here don't know shit about
>be a failed consulting company >power and mainframe sales are stagnant, or in decline >had the biggest layoff in history, 100,000 people lost their jobs >ibm software business is stagnant, trying to pull a hp by sucking up smaller companies start >cloud business is fucked
They're flooding money into research hoping they land on something big. They dropped the consumer and business industry minus some specialized servers and consulting. They're trying to get around Moore's law and to emulate the human brain in a processor. Probably all meme tier attempts at concepts that still need decades. Here have some memes: http://www.research.ibm.com/articles/brain-chip.shtml
>>52492577 >Because they left the consumer desktop market and do things the people here don't know shit about You think they're going to strike it big with one of their various research categories? Did they make the right choice to exit enterprise hardware and software?
>>52492763 >they are riding off their existing customer base they have enough money where they can afford to switch focus. Protip, releasing new shiny consumertard toys every month isn't the only way to be le cutting edge
>>52492490 Why should I care if Indians work for IBM? Other than the issue of outsourcing jobs, if they are qualified and good at their job I don't care. I really don't care WHO works for WHAT as long as they meet their employers qualification level AND are good at what they do.
>>52492808 If they were actually pivoting the company they'd be done with it already as they've been in decline for a very long time already.
As it stands right now IBM is just a slowly dying dinosaur propped up by their reputation up until the 1980's. Once the baby boomers who grew up and were already working when IBM was still great retire and people who can see IBM as it is without nostalgia take over buying decisions, they're pretty much fucked.
>>52493001 You do know that they're hiring in India simply because they work for peanuts, not because of them being of a higher quality than their american colleagues? It's them just trying to skimp on costs at the expense of the american workers.
>>52493019 >>52493040 >Thinking this will work It's no use... People from /pol/ and people posting like they're from /pol/ have been an everyday thing since at least 2012. If you don't like it, feel free to go back to reddit, tumblr or wherever you came from.
>>52493054 Right. All I'm saying is it doesn't matter what gender, race, ethnicity etc. works for a company, AS LONG AS they are GOOD at their job RELATIVE to their work peers. That's all I'm trying to say. Some people here don't get that. However, I do hate the whole "we need more diversity in X industry."
>>52493076 >Le /pol/ may-may Not that guy, but I'm going to give you some advice: It's no use trying to tell people like him to go back to /pol/ as he's not even sure to be from /pol/ to begin with. We used to tell them to piss of back to /pol/ back in 2012 already, but they've since then became an everyday part of /g/ culture.
If you don't like them, then go someplace else because no matter how much you complain about them, they won't go anywhere. They didn't go anywhere when the original pre 2012 community told them to piss off and they won't go anywhere when the new reddit-based community tells them the same thing.
>>52492947 >>As it stands right now IBM is just a slowly dying dinosaur propped up by their reputation up until the 1980's. That's way too shallow of an analysis. They're rooted deep in specialized enterprise services, mainframes, lab equipment, and other niche markets for now. They're not doing well but we'll see if their research is more than just PR eventually
>>52493117 That's the point: They're not being hired because they're actually any good at their job, they're being hired because they're dirt cheap and for no other reason (except maybe the fact that they speak english, which is why so many companies are hiring indians and not Chinese).
If they were being paid just as much as their western colleagues, they wouldn't be hiring them to begin with.
>>52493158 The thing about the kind of research old tech giants like IBM and HP does is that most of it never finds any large scale real world applications and the same thing goes for university research.
As I said, they're a dinosaur riding their past reputation and most of the nice stuff you mention has it's base in stuff sold in the 1980's and earlier. Niche products like that can never support a tech giant like IBM as a giant like that needs to have a larger revenue stream than any set of niche products can muster.
If IBM was an animal, it would be a Brachiosaurus in the midst of the period when all dinosaurs went extinct out due to climate change ether caused by a meteor or volcanic activity.
>>52493369 If you're one of them maybe, but all of the ones I've met in real life (which is quite many seeing how my university is pretty much overrun by them) have been pig disgusting and the only decent looking ones I've seen in pictures are from the northern parts of the countries. I don't know how the hell southern indian women succeed in all being so pig disgusting.
>>52490580 Same reason why people don't know what Xerox PARC is and if they do, it's "What's so innovating about printer paper?" or they only know it as "hurr place apple stole shit from" thanks to apple; or why people don't know what AT&T Bell Lab is or they'll say "what's so innovating about an old ass phone company?" Just like how we only see stuff about "What's so innovating about shitty laptop company?" Truth is, most of self proclaimed tech savvy are tech savvy on geek squad level not R&D engineer/scientist level.
>>52493669 they aint gonna take over shit because the companies they overrun just fail and are replaced by ones that hire WHITES
it sucks that they are offered jobs at all, like all those IBM ones, assisted and allowed by our authorities, and the world was a much better place when third worlders in general just starved in their own countries without us hearing much about it, but what are you gonna do?
>>52491546 This. Corporate infrastructure and integration work is dominated by IBM. Any heavy lifting in the backend is dominated by IBM's InfoSphere suite. It's not great, but it's still pretty good, and the support and compatibility smashes the competition.
My only complaint about IBM is that they shill their stuff so hard. The only docs around IBM you can actually take at face value are those not written by IBM. AIX is a nice OS though, if you can get used to the little differences when working in ksh. Their tools are incredibly powerful, but really expensive. But the consultancy I work for is even more expensive so it's not really a problem.
>tl;Dr IBMs enterprise offering is cool and powerful, but 99% of people will never touch it unless they're handling serious data at huge scales, and they have huge budgets.
>>52493298 Not so sure that IBM's research can be compared exactly to the fruitless theoretical garbage that academia churns
Don't forget IBM is a corporat and it doesn't just admit it's going down and do so without squirming and gasping every inch of the way. I think their research (working around thermal limitations of processors, creating a processor that emulates the human brain etc) is trying desperately to bring them back into relevance. A giant like them does not just shift focus when it's generally on the decline without having a plan of action
>>52494146 I've never seen anyone mention it here actually. It's optimised perfectly for other IBM products, which in an ETL implementation like I'm working on at the minute, is fantastic. It's never going to be optimal for anything that a standard user will do, which is probably why people here hate it so much, but for enterprise data serving and manipulating its unbeatable. Also I just really love ksh.
I'd love to get my hands on some. I'm not even close to being an IBM guy, but I really like their kit.
>>52494211 Nice, yeah I don't think AIX ever had as much in the way of home/hobbyist usability as say Solaris or IRIX, still very interested in exploring it none the less.
I've just got a big ass 4U RS/6 out in my shed with quad PPC 603es loaded to the brim with microchannel cards but the damn power supply blew and I still haven't been able to fix it, the aesthetic and build are wonderful at least. Considering dropping some shekels on a 43P or something else nice and small, maybe when I get my other projects out of the way.
>>52494389 If you look for even a second you can see IBM doesn't show promise at this moment. Unless you're mentally retarded, you wouldn't want to work for a company on the verge of failing. Please do spew more memes to show me how I'm wrong though
>>52494357 It's a really cool setup, probably because it's another learning curve you can avoid by going for a different UNIX implementation I guess. I didn't have the choice in my introduction to it due to it being through work, my background has all been CentOS/RHEL and Ubuntu, but I've grown to really like it.
>>52490580 IBM is so ahead of the curve it's not even funny. They completely dropped out of consumer X86 hardware in 2004 when they sold all their interests in PCs to lelnovo. Notice how PCs have done nothing but stagnate for the last 10 years? It's become a literal race to the bottom, an industry relegated to shitting out fragile, non-user serviceable shit for every price bracket.
>>52493298 you won't see their research until you're using it. OOP systems, software engineering standardization were all brainchildren that could only have come from such corporations that concentrate large human and intelectual capital. The problem with the likes of IBM and others such as HP is that they shifted their focus from manufacturing to services, leaving their R&D departments on it's own, still protected from corporate restructuring by corporate policies that obligate capital reinvestment. And because of that their R&D usually releases tech on public domain, also because they want to be the standard at any cost (which is the basis of their business). Right now IBM is researching graphene batteries, don't be surprised if the next batery and energy leap comes from them
>>52494492 Sounds pretty fun, as far as other projects go I've got a bunch of other old gear that needs TLC to get out of the way, plus I need a new slowlaris workstation, Blade 100s don't really cut it anymore for anything other than office work and basic server jobs.
>>52494575 >Right now IBM is researching graphene batteries, don't be surprised if the next batery and energy leap comes from them Yeah, you could say that about their cooling solutions meant to overcome thermal limitations as well as their neron emulating processor
All this is still years and billions away from being concrete and marketable, which spells bad news for the company
Yeah, I could even count from 1 to 10 in englishback in kindergarden... but that's not the point.
If it was just this guy, I'd understand, but sadly, it's not. I've heard a lot of people talk like this. It sounds like they either read it from somewhere or have memorized it; doesn't feel natural at all. They sometimes talk informal in formal occasions, and vice versa..
The constant "sir" and "kindly X" are just the cherry on top of the cake.
>>52494701 It's a pretty good gig, I'm getting paid to create automate and analyse ksh scripts monitoring resource usage across a 2000+ node MPP AIX backend, I'm in my fucking element. Not even a SysEngineer.
Old gear is amazing, but I don't own much. Tempted to pick up an original BBC although it'll cost me an arm and a leg. True, they just can't keep up anymore.
>>52493704 >they aint gonna take over shit How aren't they, if there's more and more and more of them everywhere, and nobody give a shit? Things change for the worse, sure, but sheeplet normies are just getting used to it, and those few that complain are ignored and can't reverse the flow of a river with a stick anyway. Also, wymyn are falling for stuff like >>52493780 and helping to enable them, even if they are not fully-fledged SJWs at all.
> the companies they overrun just fail Show me examples, so far Microsoft, IBM, Red Hat, or any other company hiring them en masse hasn't failed. Standards go to shit, sure, but as said above everyone just puts up with it and doesn't give a fuck in the end.
>>52494954 Are you guys encourage to shill as hard as you do, or is that handled by sales. My firm is partnered with IBM and honestly, the shilling is so off putting, aside from it I really like working with IBM consultants, 10x better than the experiences I've had with Accenture.
>>52495019 What were the two you didn't understand? None of those are enterprise terms. I get the whole purists hating enterprise tech, but honestly it's not as bad as it's made out. The time and monetary pressure is an additional element of challenge, although fair enough it's not the right thing for everyone. Honestly though, if you're not aligning your technical contribution to the business, you're not actually being of any use to your employer.
>>52495005 These acronyms are quite specific to distributed computing, a big trend in enterprise infrastructures with the emergence of big data and the Internet of things. Retro computers aren't something I have much familiarity with, but they're really cool. But a lot of the people in /g/ aren't really involved in enterprise tech, there's a lot of students, hobbyists, or less business facing people who are incredibly technical, it's just a real spectrum.
For your benefit: - AIX: a proprietary UNIX OS developed by IBM - MPP: Massively Parallel Processing (imagine how a CPU has multiple cores, but on a larger scale, one service split across many servers)
>>52495094 Don't worry, they're enterprise specific terms. BBC was a model of early personal computer sold in the UK, no one will blame you for not knowing that, it's pretty obscure. I forget when I'm on /g/ that not everyone is in enterprise areas, it's my bad senpai.
>>52495247 that shit works self contained on a mainframe or on a mainframe network that uses messaging via some xyz middleware, don't be fooled. distributed systems as a single system distributed across several machines is an obsolete idea that has been discredited for the majority of applications but scientific.
>>52495358 Honestly man, you could do 90% of tech jobs without knowing any of that.
>>52495461 That's funny, because I'm literally on a contract right now at industry forefront that would say the opposite... First project of its kind on this scale though, so I guess it makes sense that it isn't documented.
>>52495933 IBM infosphere stack distributed across a couple hundred AIX slave nodes, with a partition & tuning config rolled out across all the nodes with Ansible. Part of a much bigger ecosystem, but that's the bit I'm handling. It runs the ETL data integration for a SAP implementation.
>>52496025 Captcha showed me some beautiful sushi and now I'm craving.
I'm not sure about this hardware setup, we just provisioned space in one of the client's data warehouses, and contracted more out in another country for redundancy/DR. It's all VM based, most enterprise setups are, from my experience at least.
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