/mkg/ - stock HHKB edition
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If you listen to the shills, they keep saying how the HHKB is something most normals can't afford.
In reality the HHKB is a rather cheap board, they are just trying to justify that feeling of wasting what little money they have.
What's the attraction to the HHKB compared to something like a Realforce?
From what I have heard the HHKB lacks things like a metal back plate and the stock kepcaps are meh. Do people buy it purely for the form factor?
The stock keycaps are pretty much the same with the realforce. I may be mistaken on this, but it doesn't feel or sound like I'm ever hitting the plate with the keycaps like I would with my cherry board. I'm quite sure that the switch bottoms out before the keycaps reach the plate.
The plastic plate is actually often seen as a plus since it gives the HHKB the characteristic sound that it's known for.
I'd say it's the form factor and the aesthetics. I was going to get a realforce until I noticed that I could easily do away with the function and arrow keys.
What mechanical keyboard do you recommend to play Frets on Fire ? Something with good access to the F1-5 keys and a decent Enter key.
They changed the weight of the spring. The crazy high resistance seems to be only found on the early production versions of the switch. All the ones on massdrop since have been lighter than black as far as I've seen.
is /g/ going to endure the wait for their granite keycaps?
Granite is a meme set.
It's literally "Hey this is going to be the last run of granite ever I promise this time :^)" over and over again.
It's not even a particularly impressive set to begin with, people just bandwagon it hard.
Doing ergo-clears is usually cheaper than buying zealios. They are both great tho, yet I could feel a little more wobble on my zealios compared to my 62g clears.
The Gateron Yellow problem was either because there were knockoffs or because the initial production had major defects. Either way, a good portion of people now have yellows with absurd bottom-out resistances. It was so inconsistent that some retailers wouldn't offer them as options, because nobody had the right information about them.
I'm a big fan of Gateron, but even if the initial ones purchased were knockoffs, they should have been able to reign in all the confusion and misinformation and handle the situation. They didn't do either, so now nobody seems to have a good understanding of the gat yellow switches.
I think part of it's popularity stems from the fact that there is all kinds of layouts accommodated for and that there's a whole bunch of add-on packs.
And it's actually good quality PBT too. There's almost no good quality PBT sets in ISO layouts.
Shadovved groupbuy that is running on geekhack. Gateron PBT is probably the best blank PBT you can get.
>And it's actually good quality PBT too
It's warped as hell, just like every other SP PBT set.
SP is only good at making ABS SA, since they're shiny to begin with so the fact that they're ABS doesn't matter.
I have a granite set that looks ok, yet all caps are a little bit warped.
I have seen some sets that are warped like hell, much worse than mine, would be pretty pissed if I received something like that.
Does anyone have any comments on how this will be:
I want a small cheapish mechanical to travel with, and if it breaks/gets nicked I won't be too heartbroken over thirty quid.
If anyone can rec a small kb under £50 otherwise, Im all ears
what do you guys think of this?
im looking for browns with a key layout like this, specifically the F keys above their numerical value.. but this seems to be the page's specific prodcut, unless i'm wrong? may be a little shotty
weird switches but they are better than kailh
also you do realize this are some weird knockoff cherry switches right?
Couldn't agree more. I bought an HHKB Pro 2 and couldn't believe how over-hyped it was. I was lucky to have purchased it on Amazon, but it genuinely felt just like a regular keyboard. It had a bit of a quality feel to it, I guess, but it was no different than any other rubberdome I've used.
If anybody's really itching to try one, buy it from Amazon and know that you have two weeks to return it if you don't like it, that way you're at least getting rid of the cost-justification.
They aren't horrible keyboards, they're just not worth the cost of them, nor are they worth the hype that people give them.
If I could find both an HHKB Pro 2 and a GH60 and they both cost $100, I'd buy the GH60, even though the GH60 costs less to buy in normal circumstances. Though, I guess it would make more sense to buy the Pro 2 and sell it, but I'm speaking as if they both always costed the same amount.
are the cherry stabilizers in leopold boards really modified from the factory or are poeople lying because of buyers remorse. Tried a kul es-87 because i fell for the clears meme and the modifiers felt like wet mush. seen a few people claming the leopolds are somehow different.
Browns are tactile. Clears are too heavy without modification. To me they feel significantly more muddy and less crisp then browns and my typing accuracy was actually reduced. If you enjoy pounding on your keyboard like a gorilla then clears are for you.
>HHKB looks cool
>want to try topre
>the control key is at caps lock
>no caps lock key
>backspace isnt at the top right
how do you even use it
well i cant speak for the poker but all the tenkeyless boards with clears are garbage. The kul es-87 pings pretty badly and fucking resonates like a tuning fork for some godawful reason and apparently the code also pings really badly.
I ordered an HHKB and I think it's perfectly fine. I'm currently on a Ducky Shine 2 so I used a dip switch to swap the ctrl and caps keys around so I can get used to that layout. You can get hasu's controller (I ordered one too) which allows you to fully reprogram the keyboard to your liking.
You actually USE caps lock? Why? It's just as easy to hold down shift unless you're typing paragraphs in all caps, which seems like a pretty minor edge case. I've been remapping it to Ctrl for years because the Ctrl key positions on normal keyboards are awkward pinky-stretching shit.
The backspace position feels better than it does on normal QWERTY does, it's really comfy after getting used to it.
how do people not realize this is what hhkb is for?
If you can get a hand on a KUL ES 87 it seems like a favorite. As a 60% owner looking at TKL as a second board, my next choices would be a filco majestic 2 then the kbparadise V80 (currently on massdrop).
my first ever /mkg/ related purchase
slow but steady, amirite?
Will there ever be a cross between the Pok3r and HHKB? I am in love with my Pok3r but I also really enjoyed typing on a friend's Novatouch.
I heard recently that the HHKB doesn't have a metal plate in it, unlike the realforce boards, and that some people actually like it more for this reason. I'm not sure how good I am at telling the difference between plate/no plate (or rather knowing it's the reason I prefer one board over another). Does the Novatouch have a plate? Would a 60% Novatouch be like a HHKB?
Found some reddit guide for programming the Pok3r to use a layout like the HHKB when I was searching DuckDuckGo for neat ideas on what to program the Pok3r to do. I did it to my layer 2 or 3. Haven't really made the switch yet, because fucking up muscle memory is always pretty jarring and I can't remember where I changed all the modifiers to. I also hate that there's constantly an LED on if you're not in the main layer.
Try out greens and clears.
I'm not mad about it being shilled and I don't own one, but I hate it when people assume someone's amount of money is related to their opinion on something. Do you actually think that or are you just trying to anger people? I consider this hobby (mechanical keyboards) to be fairly expensive, and I own multiple boards myself. I still consider myself pretty poor, though.
Not a fan of either of those switches, just wanted to say that after typing on Blues for a few years and then getting a new board with Greens in the last year, I feel like I really did just get an imperfect product originally by getting Blues.
ah I love that game . I never really got the hang of holding it like a guitar, though. I actually just pressed the keys normally. On that note, I'd recommend something programmable like a Pok3r so that you could press whatever keys you want. (unless the game lets you change the bindings)
Is there any full size or TKL keyboard with clears that doesn't ping like hell? Poker 3 with clears sounds amazing in Youtube videos unlike my WASD V2, but I'm not into meme layouts.
>It's literally "Hey this is going to be the last run of granite ever I promise this time :^)" over and over again.
I hate Matt3o so much for that crap. On top of that, he splits the keysets into packages where you end up needing to buy at least 3 of them, and then you fall into the "escalation of commitment" trap.
Since you needed to buy an extra package just to get your last 3 remaining keys, you figure you may as well complete that set, otherwise you're just spending way a ton of money on 3 keys. So then you have 4 sets, but you're missing keys to complete another layout, so then you buy another package and have 5, etc. etc.
The other annoying part is that all he did was slightly change the legends. Ordering the text-modifiers option leaves you with a set that looks nearly identical to the one that's already sold by SP [see "DSA Stock Sublimated Keycap Sets"].
He even makes the damn arrow keys all-text, so if you order a text-mod option, you get these funky looking arrow keys that don't have symbols - he should have at least offered the option to change that one small thing.
My final gripe is that everybody buying the ISO 'Enter' key is getting screwed. It's not the same layout as the rest of the set. IIRC, the 'Enter' key is in the DCS profile, while the rest of the set is DSA. Pretty ridiculous of SP to have not invested in that mould by now, and it's not listed in the Massdrop page that they're getting a different 'Enter' key than they're expecting.
The major benefit to his set, though, is that it accommodates so many different layouts. With the "Pro" and "Extreme" mod packs, you can dress virtually any layout, and have a pretty decent looking keyboard.
With the group buy, it also ends up slightly cheaper than the regular SP set. The standard alpha and mod packs come out to 80 bucks from SP, where the same packs from Matt3o come out to 60, so it's not terrible in that regard.
Knowing this, I still spent 150 on 6 packages, could be worse
I can compare it with my MX blue Filco.
>Nice one handed multimedia shortcuts
>More silent than blues
>Actuation point and reset point are about the same
>Build quality is not as good as Filco (there's a small gap between the top and bottom halves of the case)
>Still not as tactile as blues (though better than browns)
It made me realize that I took my Filco for granted. But the WASD V2 is still a pretty good board.
Well this is interesting because my current keyboard is a Filco TKL blues :^) Thanks for the info.
Right now I'm between 3 keyboards
>WASD V2 Clears
>KBP V80 Matias Quiet Click
>CM Novatouch TKL
Kek. Cheers bro.
I tried 45g Topre switches yesterday, and although they didn't exactly blow my mind away, it was a strangely pleasant typing experience. They felt like what browns should've been: light and tactile. They're still a bit too mushy for me, so I imagine 55g would be clears done right. Hope this helps.
My weird ass purchase.
It's a financial keyboard with an integrated trackpad. It uses two PCBs, one for the trackpad portion and one for the 60% board portion. The PS2 ports are attached to the trackpad PCB and there is some sort of soldered pinout connecting the two PCBs. I it possible to solder a PS2 cable directly to the pinout?
It has MX Blues and feels quite nice to type on, but it doesn't hold a candle to my two alps boards or my model M.
I don't know what you what you Cherry users are smoking. These switches are far nicer than domes, but they are nothing compared to Alps switches and crap compared to buckling springs.
Oh god I hope I'm not too late.
Qisan; is a fake version of that board, the real one was on mass-drop. check ebay and comments from ebay negative reviews.
Notice the branding does not fit thee name of the company.
>You could be spending your days outside in the sunshine with a woman.
Dream big, young one. Don't let anybody take those dreams away.
Kidding. You're totally right, though. I don't get out in the sun often, but I'm married and have a beautiful wife who helps me with my projects, so I've got that going for me.
It's also been pretty chilly in Cali over the last few months, so there hasn't been great weather for it. Excuses excuses.
I've undampened, click-ified and slightly strengthened the switches so they actuate at a slightly higher force. I thought the dampened switches would feel nice, but they just don't. I'm planning on soldering a teensy to the ADB joints to I can use it with modern computers.
Just to make sure, are these https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=708 pic related just without the led installed or do I need something else?
Looks right if you just need some replacement MX Browns, but they won't have any LEDs. You'll have to buy them separately.
FYI, you should give an Alps board a shot. Matias makes some good boards that I think you can find in Fry's. Alps and Alps style switches just sound "right" to me; they have a deep, solid thock and a satisfying click that just sounds more mature than Cherry switches.
>click-ified and slightly strengthened the switches
Same, One of the things I like about alps is that you can just do that so easily to them.
I think I might try to put a teensy on mine now that you mention it.
I really like my board. It's just that a couple of the buttons feel... off. Everything works though so I might just ignore it since I hardly use the number pad. I can't desolder anything until I replace my soldering iron so I can't tell, but can my current leds be reused? They work fine as is. I'm new to mechanical keyboards and I was under the impression that backlit switches were a different part than non backlit ones.
Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.
and yeah, I wish there was a full teal set too.
$5,000 keyboard with metal case on gravelly concrete for your viewing pleasure ;)
because rock garden. it's ok to be poor anon.
was curious how they'd look.
I'd rather spend money on keeping my house looking nice tho.
Well, there are worse ways to find out, I suppose.
Don't buy too many child kits in case you hate it, but there will probably be a resell market for them in the event that you do.
I am looking for a plate like the picture. I'd like to find a full 104 plate if possible. I made a custom single hand board before but I etched a PCB and surface mounted the switches. So they weren't all that straight and nice looking. I want to make a a full keyboard this time so I need perfect alignment.
Anyone know where one can buy these?
So are you saying you want a laser-cut, 100%, steel plate? There are lots of 60% out there, and some TKL GBs come and go. I don't know of any fullsize currently running - they aren't the most popular.
Winkeyless.kr and Gon's offer full cases.
OLKB offers custom plates.
Mechanicalkeyboards.com has a plate for a Phantom.
Group buys often crop up. You just missed one from LeandreN. Speaking of, I think he normally offers 60% plates on his site, but it seems to be down.
Apart from the enter bar are there any other size differences between ISO and Ansi keycaps
Just bought a set and realized they were ANSI type
They're blank memecaps so markings don't matter
SP does have an ISO DSA enter mold.
Unfortubately the person who payed for tha tmold to include it in their set will not let anyone else use it.
But the thing is that at the amount of sets Granite is going to sell, there is no reason for matt3o NOT to get his own enter made. Spread over so many sets the peice would be miniscule.
Try before you buy
many like reds, because they're light and don't make much noise, but I and many others prefer blues for there good feedback
Go to a store and test some keyboards, or buy a switch tester off of the internet
I personally love blues but people seem to think they're not good for gaming because they "double press" them. I don't know how it's possible to not realize you pressed a key the first time with the sound and feel of blue keys.
I think they mean that it's harder to double tap due to the slightly higher reset point. I game on blues too, though I'm currently deciding whether to use blues or clears for my main keyboard.
Do i commit to the meme senpai? Or do I get something else in this price range?
>Fine, capacitive switch
That is not the distinction. The distinction between "mechanical keyboards" and "regular keyboards" is that "regular keyboards" use rubber dome switches. Topre keyboards also use rubber dome switches which are just spring loaded and fancier.
I found this one but it's never in stock. So hard to find minimalist keyboards with red switches that aren't riced to shit.
Except it doesn't use the rubber dome to complete the circuit, it has a rubber dome in it yes, but the rubber dome literally isn't even doing anything similar to what it does it a regular rubber domey keyboard.
I didn't wanna get into the fact that perpetuating the stereotypes that certain switches are better for "gaming" or "typing" is fucking annoying so I just skipped to my recommendation.
I'm tempted to buy this team
>bought a set of blank caps but the spacebar doesn't fit my Leopold :^)
Ok so this is a sexy sounding board. If I got a POK3R with clears, could a keycap change make this sound happen? Even something similar would be nice.
What part of the topre switch is more mechanical than a regular rubber dome membrane keyboard? Would springloading a 'regular keyboard' qualify it as a mechanical keyboard?
What would you call topre's then? What do they have similar to a membrane? They have rubber domes but they don't active the switch so you can't call it a rubber dome, it has a slider but no mechanical mechanism so can you call it mechanical?
Topre's fall into a grey zone senpai, better to just lump them in with mechs.
Is this a meme?
Newegg has the full Novatouch for $159 - $20 rebate.
I get that people want to replace the keys, but if you don't already have them on hand I'd just pay the extra $10 to have keycaps right off the bat.
the problem with Rivals are the rubber sides
I recommend Zowie EC2-A if you like the MS 3.0
Guys is this a good keyboard? I need a tenkyless and i like the feel of scissor switches. Pic related, its rapoo e9050
Group buys spread out the cost of new moulds and legends across all people all the time. Hell, Shadovved is trying to do that right now with the easypbt buy.
Also, it's not thousands of different people in this GB:
>Elven Tongue Kit 126 joined
can't wait for meme photos
One of the keys of my spacesaver M (right arrow) just stopped working. I thought these things were supposed to be practically indestructible.
I removed the cap and it doesn't look dirty or anything.
>get srs at work
>mkg lasts 18 hours
holy fuck I must be the king of shitposting!
Depending on your definition of cheap, sure. It'd cost about the same as buying it from Massdrop, and you'd be best making the entire thing out of acrylic to reduce costs. Since a 1.5mm sheet of acrylic isn't going to hold well as a plate, you'd need something like 3..4mm at least, making it a bit thicker, you also wouldn't be able to turn it upside down without the switches falling out.
You could solve that problem by friction-fitting the switches, but that would require ordering multiple boards from your CNC of choice, or at least multiple samples, which would increase your costs.
Ordering a custom PCB would cost too much for something like that, so hand-wiring is your best option, but then you're increasing the thickness a bit more in order to stay on the safe side.
All-in-all, you're probably better off ordering it for 200 bucks. Personally, I'd spend the extra 50 bucks for the keycaps as well. Already spent way too much over this last month though.
Also, they had the most frustrating problems during the last infinity-ergo drop, so I'm going to keep avoiding the drop until they seem to have their shit together.
Should I get pic related with mx clears or the code TKL with mx clears?
IT IS TIME TO MEME BOYS
I was talking about the idea of the ergodox
Just an ergonomic keyboard
>selfmade wooden case
Maybe some 3d printed plate for the switches and switches and some keycaps that would make it go up but still cheaper but less solid
I am on my phone so I cant really bring over what I mean in a nice way
But yea waiting for next drop is a smart move but would take long
The ergodox isn't really targeted towards gaymers, but I don't think that gaymen should be a huge problem. Just put the other keyboard half somewhere where it doesn't get in your way. You only need one hand on the keyboard anyway.
>250 memes sold already
WAKE ME UP INSIDE!
So it seems group-buy for Zealios opened. Just ordered me some 65g tactile switches. It's going to be interesting to see how they are, but I want a bit heavier switches than mx brown, and people say they're a lot smoother than cherrys, so I'm looking forward to them.
It's just my wallet won't be very happy about this... Costed me 61 euros to have 70 shipped to europe. Oh well.
It's going to be fun changing them to my Poker 3.
A DIY board. Putting all that work into desoldering switches and then having leftover switches that you can't use is kind of silly. Might as well just pay a bit more and have two keyboards
Yeah like you'd get a Poker 3 with Zealios. And I just bought this Poker and am loving it. I'm fine with soldering. It's gonna be a lot of pain in the ass I know that, but well, once it's done it's gonna be good.
And yeah as the anon below said, there's no keyboards with stock Zealios.
Well, it's a hobby. Might be silly but whatever. It's cheaper this way and I have something to do with my free-time.
Ah, yeah I get what you're saying. A few months ago I actually made a shitty numpad out of cardstock and folded business-cards at work. Everybody was screwing around with some neat precision cutting equipment we'd just received, so it seemed like a good idea.
Regarding the Infinity-Ergo, If they were to iron out all the major problems they've had with the thing, I'd be willing to buy it.
Interconnectivity via USB wasn't a smart move unless they separated the USB connector from the PCB. Everybody with the Ergo-Infinity has been having problems because of the USB3.0 size, minor twists and turns will damage the connection to the PCB.
They also somehow managed to screw up their tolerances and put too much pressure on the LCD, making it change colours when it wasn't supposed to.
Until they've shown that they can have a successful group buy without obvious design flaws, though, I won't be getting involved.
I tried both, and preferring Topre ended up saving me from spending something around 600 bucks on a GONS.
I'm looking at the quickfire rapid and I'm seeing at least 3 different designs.
Which is the current one?
Even the amazon page features 2 separate designs, one in matte black with little branding and the other one in silver with gaymer branding up the ass
Friendly reminder that you too, can feel like a topre user for only $10 USD at any thrift store.
what do you think about this one?
anyone on /mkg/ with a WASD keyboard?
considering getting one with Blue Switches and PT layout, since it's a non-existent combo in Portugal
do you recommend them?
post pics of it
You are now aware of the fact that 4028 people bought a granite set on MD.
I considered getting into mechanical keyboards but it just seems like a gigantic time and moneysink considering I actually like the feel of scissor switches over full-size keyboards.
Or I could just do what I did with watches and buy the first one I saw and never think about it again.
Start with the best and you will feel no need to "upgrade"
That's really not true, though. That's just how many different kits have been purchased. If 4,000 people bought multiple kits, Spinelli would probably disappear from the forums for a while.
That dude's so damn greedy it's nuts. I was just checking out the Gateron caps by EnjoyPBT, and Spinelli comments on how the whtie kit with a blue esc and blue arrows was "ripping off" the white-fox keycaps. He'd probably sue if he could.
>tricking innocent anon into spending $300 on rubberdome memes
So I just checked out hasu's controller.
I can see absolute endgame ahead of me. ABSOLUTE ENDGAME.
my computer already gets funky with bluetooth sometimes, and a 12 hour battery doesn't really seem worth it.
I mean, even if I'd use it for traveling I could just get one of those extendable cables. I'm mainly interested in controlling my mouse through my keyboard. Imagine how comfy that'd be.
Friendly reminder to strive for efficiency
Got myself a Corsair K70 w/ Cherry MX Brown switches for xmas. It's my first mechanical keyboard.
I'm never going back.
What's a good portable one? Preferably w/ Brown switches so I don't piss too many people off.
I have a predicament. On my local craigslist there is an ad for 6 non working model m keyboards for 75 dollars. I feel like I can get at least two of these running. Should I pull the trigger and buy them?
You're right, it doesn't even succeed at being a media consumption device. It's an abortion that can't do even that properly let alone be able to do actual work.
>using shit hardware with a midget screen for any actual work, especially in a home/office setting where space and portability is not a concern
I literally threw up everywhere
I know you're poor and try to hide it by buying a meme keyboard but you should at least try next time.
That's been the standard for some time now, though. I'd understand if he was pissed because they were using some logo or trademarked key, or maybe even if they used the same layout as the WhiteFox (barely reasonable, but still reasonable), but to get upset that two of the key clusters that most frequently have changes in colour are blue, and the legends are centered - it's just nuts. It's hard to find a set of keys that aren't centered nowadays, and the meta symbols used more frequently than ever.
The dude's a nutjob, he's kind and he's a joy to talk to on the forums, but a clear nutjob. He should find a better way to profit off of this, he's clearly talented, but he has no idea how IP works.
I genuinely think he's gong to start targeting two-tone keysets that look "too similar" to his Granite set. I'm willing to bet he'd even find a way to get PMK to stop selling the DSA Stock sub in the granite colour palette.