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Previously on: >>52445988

A thread for all Unix-Like Operating Systems, Macfags/OSX/Apple shit excluded.

All GNU/Linux, BSD, and other Unix users are welcome.

Intended for users of all levels, including absolute beginners.

There are four ways to try Linux, you can:

1) Install a distro on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
2) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full Linux experience".
3) Dual-boot Linux with Windows/Mac (recommended if you want to learn more about Linux)
4) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with Linux (not recommended)

Before asking, please find the answers to your questions in resources.

Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread.

Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe wine can make up for it.

Resources:
man <insert command here>
your friendly neighborhood search engine
https://www.codecademy.com/en/courses/learn-the-command-line
https://wiki.archlinux.org/
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/
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>>52464630
What is Linux (or GNU/Linux, whatever)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux

Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux

What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic [it's reddit-tier] -- refer all your recommended software here.)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software

Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse/puke-inducing like those at desktop threads)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing

A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
https://gitgud.io/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript

Check out this page for any updates on the OP
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/

IRC No one uses:
irc://irc.freenode.org:+7000/FriendlyLinux
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Is it possible to completely uninstall a DE in favour of a different one (or none at all)? I can't find stuff about this in the arch wiki.
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>>52464678
Of course, arch doesn't come with a DE, just uninstall what you installed.
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>>52464678
>Is it possible to completely uninstall a DE in favour of a different one (or none at all)?
absolutely.

However it doesn't make a lot of sense because I'm guessing you're still not sure what are your preferences.
Having 3 desktop environments installed doesn't make your system slower. It's just updates that take more time, nothing beyond that.
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>>52464678
you can have several DE installed, and change to whichever you want between sessions.

welcome to freedom.
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>>52464754
>>52464728
>>52464710
Was rather worried it wouldn't be so simple, but it seems it is.Thanks guys.
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Okay lads, I want to jump on the fun train with this.

After starting pic related from my local library and viewing the wiki, I have one question:

Should I use Arch, Mint, or something else for my first go? I will attempt to be using it on an old PC my brother used to own. I don't really have any preferences for what I want, but I'd prefer the most customization with the least difficulty for a noobie like me.
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>>52464898
arch is a meme, don't fall for it. You can do do all the same shit with any distro.
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>>52464898
for an old PC either go with xubuntu/lubuntu/ubuntu mate or mint mate
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>>52464630
Where can i take this test
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>>52464898
Most Customization: Arch or Gentoo
Most Easy: Mint or Ubuntu MATE.

This is an unpopular opinion, but for a noob, I'd recommend Fedora. Stable, easy to use, customizable enough, and able to go Bleeding Edge without straying into autism levels. Package manager is better and easier to use than APT, though Portage and Pacman (Gentoo and Arch respectively) are superior to both.

If you don't want to go Fedora or this thread memes you way from it, then for a noob who'd like to start getting into it, I'd recommend one of the *buntus, any except for vanilla Ubuntu, an amazon spyware package.
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>>52465028
>Most Customization: Arch or Gentoo
>Most Easy: Mint or Ubuntu MATE.
This is a confirmed fucking meme since you can customize all distros in the same way.

Save for gentoo since you got their weird use flag systems.

So stop.

But yes, fedora is aight.
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>>52464984
>>52465028

Ubuntu: Incredibly popular, great userbase support, generally agreed to be the easiest of the mainstream distros (iirc Mint is just Ubuntu with Cinnamon)

Fedora: Sponsored by Red Hat, excellent support, straightforward package manager, somewhat bleeding edge but not autistic, only slightly more difficult than Ubuntu.

Personally I lean Fedora, but that's just me.
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>>52464950
>arch base install
>literal 250mb
>do this with another distro
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>>52465048
Arch/Gentoo make it easier to customize, seeing as you set it all up pretty much from scratch.

But yes, with enough effort, one can customize any distro to their liking.
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>>52465048
So its easier to customize a distro, that has 90% of programs you dont want, and deps you dont want.Then it is to customize a blank slate?
Please let us in to your autistic brain for one moment to see the light
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>>52464630
>>52463828

This is the actual previous thread. OP confirmed glue-sniffer.
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>>52465067
You remove all the packages with one command. So difficult to deal with binaries huh?
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>>52464984
>>52465028
>>52465090


I was worried Ubuntu or any of the lot would be more restrictive but from what I'm hearing it doesn't matter / isn't true.
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>>52465207
Lul yeah, youll need at the minimal a recursive script.
>pacstrap base
>250mb
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I am using openbox and I want to change the fonts in menubars, firefox tabs ...

When I tried changing then via obconf without success.

Where do I change the default font? (screenfech still shows the default Cantarell 11)
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>>52465370
>screenfech still shows the default Cantarell 11
it shows what the current GTK font is.
obconf lets you change the wm font
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>>52465370
Get lxapperence
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>>52465421
Thank you !
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>>52465281
Compare that to what?
debootstrap? You can use to bootstrap all debian based systems with _very_ minimal setups.

Perhaps the industry and community can solve the issue of using Linux in limited enviroments one day;realtime kernel is an unicorn, but the fact is there is a lot of effort on that front, doing minimal builds is on the table with most general distros.

So saying this and this install is this small, is pretty silly in 2016 , when all major distros have utilities to do installs on limited hardware.

The only epeen on FOSS should be your programming/admin skills.
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What is the easiest distro to install that lets me jump right into programming.

A good package manager is a must.
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>>52465815
Fedora Workstation?
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>>52465815
Calculate gentoo
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>>52465815
>he doesn't compile his programs
God, why are you even using Ganoo plus Loonix?
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>>52465856
really?
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>>52465815
Any of them really.
Though you just wanting to get programming and not dicking around with things
Use ubuntu and install eclipse and notepaddqq
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>>52465815
Debian, it has an excellent tool chain system.
Only issue is lib age, so if you need something recent, you need to compile yourself and unless you know how to package you will be out of the support loop.

But say you need to compile <a program> from git, and it has a lot of dependencies, you can just pull the dependencies required to build the Debian version and get most of the cruft sorted.
# apt-get build-dep <a program>
# checkinstall <a pgrogram>

Usually that just works, you get a debian package and compiled from the src.
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>>52465903
Christine is mai waifu.
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>>52465942
Do you have fetish for Gnome users?
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>>52465903
so fucking what?
she's fat and ugly.

if fedora wanted meme marketing they'd put a picture of Torvalds captioned with "Shit Just Werks".
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>>52466033
>Don't break userspace!
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What is the BEST linux? There are so many.
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>>52466098
the one i'm using
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>>52465903
The key thing is that it comes packaged with DevAssistant.

As far as I can tell, it's the only big-name distro whose main flavor comes with an IDE.
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>>52466207
>>52465927
>IDE users
why?
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>>52466325
I have no need for one, but he wants excluisivity to programming.He might like an ide.
I bounce between gedit and notepadqq
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Daily reminder.
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I finally finished the guide. It's a little sloppy. I would like some input.

Guide is here:
http://pastebin.com/TgqJ3w37
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using debian on BBB instead of usual arch on VM.
How do I install gdbm in debian. I've tried
apt-get install gdbm
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Intel has enabled VT-d on ALL Skylake SKUs and Chipsets

>>52467156
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>>52467161
What language are you using for gdbm?
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>>52467117
Get it on the wiki.
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>>52467203
C
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>>52467207
I'll do that after I get the DM section done.
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I'm going to rewrite the entire linux kernel in haskell
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>>52467325
Rewrite GNU utilities in Haskell too, and name it Linux, so we don't need to say it "GNU/Linux". I'm going to make a Linux license (which is GPL incompatible) and convince Linus to use it.
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Stupid question about tiling windows managers: what happens if I open a video? Does it stretch to fill the whole window space, or just maintain its aspect ratio?
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>>52467432
Maintain AR.
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>>52464630
how do I remove the delay in grub? I just want it to boot instantly.
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>>52465067
Debian has 139mb on a minimal install. If you crosscompile you can get gentoo or funtoo to be even smaller.
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/g/ how to write a simple python script to check for new/unread email /no download, just check if new email == alert/ and place an icon /provided by the systems' icon theme/ in the notification area?
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>>52467575
you first learn python
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Something happen and 4chan font is different, pixelate and maybe smaller, last time fixed with:
 sudo pacman -R xorg-fonts-100dpi xorg-fonts-75dpi
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=173616

But those fonts are already uninstalled.
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>>52467598
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration
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>>52467575
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7314942/python-imaplib-to-get-gmail-inbox-subjects-titles-and-sender-name

To start you off
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What is the proper syntax to set dpi in the xorg conf?
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>>52467500
Press enter. :^)
https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Configuration
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>>52467161
>>52467226
Reasking my question. Looking for C gdbm on debian for my BeagleBone Black.

Feel like install arch onto it, so much easier to work with.
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>>52467766
Apt search gdbm
Find out package name
Apt install <package name>
Also learn to use search engines.
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>>52467618
I know where the wiki is, don't know what my problem is.
'what font' doesn't work on 4chan, I'm trying to figure it out where to start debugging.
http://chengyinliu.com/whatfont.html
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>>52467688
thanks carrot nose!
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Has anyone managed to get iTunes to work on Mint 17.3? I've tried both WINE and PlayOnLinux but haven't been able to make it past the installation stage with either.
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>lil sis uses dad's laptop to play videogames
>lil sis installs sims game
>somehow ends up deleting the entire windows OS
>dad's laptop only shows the "please insert bootdisk, no OS detected" black and white screen
>dad is computer litterate, doesn't know how to code though

Point being, I guess I download linux mint or ubuntu onto a flash drive and somehow start it up form the flashdrive onto his laptop?

All of this just happened about 2 hours ago, which is why i want to fix this problem fast.

Am I doing it right, should he use mint or ubuntu, I just want to make it as easy as possible for him to transition
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>>52468087
just go with windows 7
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>>52468104
just fuck off
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>>52468104
just go fuck yourself
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So is Ubuntu a good first Linux system? I'm going to Dual-Boot with W7
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>>52468104
>recommending spyware
The fuck is wrong with you?
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>>52468308
Stop posting, start installing.
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damn, I'm really liking plasma with infinality. shit's tight.
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>>52468008
literally why
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>>52468087
mint is best for normies, install it.
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I have used Slack, Ubuntu and Arch in the past as my primary OS.

I now use Windows just because it's convenient.

Have there been any new features added to Linux from the early 2010s which aren't present on Windows 9/10?

Also, have the issues with driver compatibility been sorted? I couldn't stand going from forum to forum to find guides to get Wireless cards or Graphics cards to work properly.
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>>52468308
xubuntu>ubuntu but other than that, yes.
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>>52468415
Movie piracy.
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>>52468432
that's what torrents are for anon.
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If I re-emerge the kernel sources again, will it wipe my config?

I'm trying to get SELinux to work and the only part of the install guide I didn't follow was re-emerging the sources (I already run hardened).

I figure I'll back up the config anyway but if anyone could tell me for future reference Id appreciate it. Near as I can tell the kernel source hasn't been updated since I installed it last.
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>>52468443
Torrents don't magically appear out of nowhere. They come from people who rent movies on iTunes, remove the DRM and create torrents from the files.

So no way to do this on linux, or what?
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>>52468565
so your real question would be: how do i rent movies and remove DRM using GNU/Linux?
or am i wrong here?
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>install fingerprint reader on Kubuntu
>it works fine, reads fingerprints correctly
>however I have to press enter in login screen to get it to read my fingerprints
>then KDE is locked on authentication and doesn't proceed further even if I try to type in password
Wat do? I can log into terminals just fine.
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>>52468426
Good package manager, such as pacman.
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>>52468582
The question is, how do I get iTunes installed an working on linux in the first place. I already know how to remove the DRM (in Windows, at least).
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>>52468426
the driver situation has improved a lot and software support has increased, hidpi support went up aswell. pretty much everything has improved.
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>>52468426
> driver compatibility
For the just werks distros and presumably with a little tweaking the involved distros, yes.

> features not on win 10
Technically, no, but they do what they do better.

That and package managers, which are superior, safer ways of installing packages in an easier manner.
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>>52468657
Use a VM faggot.
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>>52468657
open playonlinux, click install program, search for itunes.
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Does /g/ know a good symbolic math program that is free as in freedom?
I have used mathematica in the past, but it is
a) expesive
b) not free as in freedom.

Do you guys know a good replacement?
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>>52468698
>mathematica
https://alternativeto.net/software/mathematica/?license=free&platform=linux
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I want to disable an audio output like in windows' device manager, how do I do it? Using Ubuntu
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>>52468711
octave is more like matlab
R is really good but not a symbolic scripting
I will try maxima
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>>52468810
pavucontrol
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>>52468841
thx m8
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>>52465067
Ubuntu minimal is a much better base and also most commercial software is packaged in the correct binary packaged format.
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>>52468861
or alsamixer
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So I seem to be having an issue with ddclient, it works and updates my dynamic dns, but it seems to only run for a week or so, as sometime when my ip changes, my site doesn't update then I log into my server to find out that ddclient is no longer running anymore.

All I've done to run ddlcient is just run sudo ddlcient on the server then log off, this works and when I log back in it's still running, but some time later it obviously stops running, do I need to set it up as a cron job or something instead?
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Does anyone know how to install kde connect on gnome in fedora ? I really want to try it out. It is free and has more features than pushbullet including mirroring your pc on your phone
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>>52464630
There was an image floating around about levels of a gnu/linux user and their distro of choice.
I think noobs started with ubuntu, semi advanced used arch/gentoo and then advanced users went back to ubuntu or something on that lines

Anyone has that?
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>>52469224
dnf install kde-connect
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Do programs like adobe photoshop or illustrator work well on a Windows VM?
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>>52469501
>Windows VM
Virtual Machine works just like a real machine, the only difference being increased reliability due to not having the risk of hardware failure.
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>>52467598
>sudo pacman -R xorg-fonts-100dpi xorg-fonts-75dpi
Oh nice this fixed it for me. Thanks.
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>>52469557
But you can't use them for 3d or audio for example
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Good distro that doesn't come with any preinstalled DEs or WMs? I need something that isn't gonna be babby-mode as this is part-learning experience. Also I fell for the "arch is a meme" meme so I'm not installing that again.
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>>52469622
Debian
Ubuntu Minimal
CentOS
I think OpenSuSE counts for this as well

Define "good"
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>>52466127
/g/ in a nutshell
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>>52469622
anything.
you can choose not to install a desktop environment during the installation.

Fedora server for example
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>>52469644

Thanks, did a bit of looking around. What are the pros and cons for each package manager?
dpkg, portage, rpm, pacman
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>>52469712
dpkg and rpm aren't really package managers you "use"
I have no idea about portage
I thought you fell for the arch meme? You should know about pacman.
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Does redshift not work with the default radeon drivers on linux? I'm using Xbuntu 15.10 with a radeon 380 card. When I put in my coordinates, it says
Gamma ramp size too small: 0
Failed to start adjustment method randr.
Trying next method...
Using method `vidmode'.
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>>52469748
Seeing as package managers are stuck to you when you choose a distro (or prove me wrong), I was wondering what the major differences were. I know about pacman but was wondering how it compared to the others.
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>>52469765
Pacman is pretty good if you know what your doing. DNF is second best in that regard. Zypper has some advantages if you are new to linux in general. Avoid yum and apt like the plague.
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What is your personal choice of software for VMs, /flt/?
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>>52469830
I would recommend Gnome Boxes if you need linux VMs
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>>52468698
The only one on that list >>52468711 that is actually clost to mathematica is Sage or sympy (sage uses sympy, but if you used the IPython notebook with sympy imported it's very similar.
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>>52469885
>>52468698
I should elaborate.

sympy is simply a python package, it has many of the same capabilities as mathematica with some notable exceptions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_algebra_systems#Functionality

but because it's a python package it is arguably far more powerful as you have seamless interaction in many of the other python packages such as numpy and scipy. And also many many non-scientific langauge tools. Just as an example the wiki page correctly points out that sympy doesn't have a control package, however, scipy.signals does and it's getting more powerful every year.

Sage has some of it's own advantages and especially good as a teaching tool because of it's interactive graphics. It also has a detailed manual and is fairly fast and easy to learn.

However, I would instead recommend you use sympy with the Ipython notebook simply because everything you write is 100% python code so you can just copy paste cells into another script you use is a larger program.

Also some cool things you can do with sage/sympy is using the latex function to convert your computerism equations/results into latex source code. Now remember you have full python capabilities at your disposal. You can imagine how easy it is to create dynamic documents with these tools.
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>>52469415
Thanks, I already tried it but it says it doesn't exist in the repo
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HELP

I INSTALLED IBUSーANTHY ON ARCH TO WRITE MOONRUNES BUT NOW I CANT SWITCH BACK (METAーSPACE DOES NOTHING)

THE PROBLEM IS THAT I CAN ONLY WRITE IN ALL CAPS NOW (LOWERCASE ONLY GIVES ME HIRAGANA SO I CANT EDIT 。XINITRC、GEDIT SOMEHOW DOESNT WORK FROM FILE MANAGER) ALSO IVE FORGOT THE ROOT PASSWORD

WHAT DO?
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>>52470059
>reboot
>hack grub to pass init=/bin/bash to your kernel
>???
>profit
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>>52470059
Ctrl+Alt+F2 to switch to a TTY and fix from there.
>forgot the root password
If you have sudo access:
$ sudo passwd root
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>>52470096
NICE、I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST START A NEW X SESSION BUT IT SEEMS TO WORK
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>>52469750
yeah, works on my laptop with opensores drivers
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God fucking dammit this is annoying.

I keep losing my internet connection for no reason or warning.

I'm on Arch and use
 wifi-menu -o
to generate my profile, enabled it with netclt and it's working on boot.

The problem is it keeps losing connection without trying to reconnect. I can't ping 8.8.8.8 suggesting it's not connected to the router at all. If I then use

 sudo netctl restart [my wifi-menu generated profile]


it works perfectly again (very fast, not issues) for anywhere between 0.5-15 minutes before losing connection again.


I found a bug thread about how wireless USB turns off to save power and the netctl doesn't refresh, it was fixed after a Kernal update. My hardware is pretty new so I'm hopeful it will be fixed eventually.

In the mean time can I write something like a small script to continuous check the connection and reestablish it?


Or did I miss something else during install that I should've done?
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Running kde on arch and it suddenly stopped connecting to any wifi network. On boot I get some error about systemctl shadow.service.
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oi, /g/!

I'm installing Arch in VirtualBox. Can't run gummiboot (went through the Wiki, found out why), then decided to go with Grub, but then, pic related

Any idea on how to proceed?

p.s. I'm doing the installation by going through the Wiki and watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joStuQmvHmE&index=3&list=PLLYqWP0u3LOqOIr5yCu1MvAwukfKu1e3D
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>>52470465
it tells you what's wrong with the shadow device
>it suddenly stopped connecting to any wifi network.
that's bullshit and you know that.
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What's the differences between print and echo?
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>>52470499
I can't work with that. I don't know what that means. I'm a noob. Be helpful or go be something else elsewhere.
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>>52470533
we don't help retards sry
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>>52470569
Do you even know what friendly means? Wrong thread bruh
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>>52470513
Wait, is print even standard?
There's no man page, but 'which' claims it's a build in shell command just like echo, and not an alias or anything. But from what I can tell it's the same as echo.
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>>52470627
Apparently print doesn't have any options.
[[email protected]:~]% echo -e 'Wew lad, \n Looks like you spared no expense!'
Wew lad,
Looks like you spared no expense

[[email protected]:~]% print -e 'Wew lad, \n Looks like you spared no expense!'
zsh: bad option: -e
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>>52470627
>>52470661
>>52470513
Wait, I found it.
http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/Release/Shell-Builtin-Commands.html
Apparently it's a part of zsh.

It's supposed to be some sort of alternative echo that's more powerful - being able to emulate echo and printf, alongside all its unique flags.

Cool.
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>>52464641
>>52464630
>>52465017
Sauce the test please?
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>>52470692
>non portable, shell dependent scripts
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>>52470804
That kind of stuff doesn't really matter if you're writing them just for yourself.
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>>52470843
source plx
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how to make mailtc use an icon from the system theme instead of it's own?
http://sourceforge.net/p/mailtc/mailtc/ci/master/tree/resource/
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>>52470891
edit /usr/share/applications/mailtc.desktop
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>>52470852
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv?
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I need to setup my own mail service on VPS, so what's is the best and /g/approved mail server app?
My VPS is running Arch.
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I'm more normal than I thought.
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How to completely remove arch linux and anything arch related in order to install another OS? I have come to the conclusion it is not for me and I can't for the life of me figure out how to go about replacing it with something else.
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This happens when I play Source games on Ubuntu with 8800GT.
Is there any way to fix this, except playing on Windows? I feel like I fucked something up with the drivers. Or is my card just unsupported on linux?
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>>52471159
Just install something else, overwriting your old Arch partition(s).
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>>52471204
yeah it's the drivers or opengl
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>>52470918
there is no such thing, it probably has to be done in the source code
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>>52471204
Did you install proprietary drivers?
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>>52471337
pretty sure i did. would that even make a diffrence?
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I gave linux another try, and for the first time ever, all my monitors were identified correctly and just werk without me having to hack my xorg.conf to pieces. The only drawback is that my graphics card doesn't have a displayport, so my 4k monitor can only run at 30hz.

My question is, are AMD cards good enough in Linux to give me the same experience as I got with this shitty Nvidia card I currently am using? Because I really don't want to have to buy Nvidia's cheapest displayport card that costs like $150 just because it has gaymurrrr branding all over it.
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>>52469750
werks on my 390
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>>52471321
no, not really.
if the mailtc appears in your application launcher, it has to have a .desktop file
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>>52471431
what card are you using? what features do you need?
see >>52471464
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>>52471431
>are AMD cards good enough in Linux to give me the same experience as I got with this shitty Nvidia card I currently am using?
Quality of GPU drivers on linux go like

Proprietary nvidia >>>>>>>>>>>>> open source radeon > closed source radeon >>>> open source nvidia

Intel is out of the question since their drivers "just werk"

Ironically if you want any 3d performance in your set up at all without massive headaches a relatively recent nvidia gpu is the only way to go. I stress the "recent" part since both nvidia and amd like to discontinue drivers support for linux for no fucking reason
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ParanoidDisorder | Low
SchizoidDisorder | Low
SchizotypalDisorder | Moderate
AntisocialDisorder | Moderate
BorderlineDisorder | Low
HistrionicDisorder | Low
NarcissisticDisorder | Low
AvoidantDisorder | Low
DependentDisorder | Low
Obsessive-CompulsiveDisorder | Low


Get help, crazies.
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>>52471566
BTW ask a literate *nix user anything.
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>>52471556
more like
intel>>>>>>>>>>proprietary nvidia>>>proprietary amd=open amd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>open nvidea
i thin the reason was that the open drivers worked better on those older cards, i'm not sure about that though.
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>>52464706
What's this about?

Also, I'm having some issues on my Macbook Air 6,2 (late 2013 / early 2014). On GNOME Wayland, everything is really smooth, except the trackpad driver is pretty poor (libinput).
But then on X.Org I can't seem to get the input working at all, I want to use mtrack but I've not managed to get it working. Also is there a way to use mtrack with Wayland, that would be totally awesome!
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[@x220 ~]$ xcalib -d :0 TPLCD.ICM 
Warning - No calibration data in ICC profile 'TPLCD.ICM' found

This is Lenovo's official ICC profile for this laptop, what the fuck am I doing wrong?
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>>52471514
ok i was not clear enough,
there is no .desktop icon, there is no .desktop entry, the icon in question /which the link leads to/ shows up in the notification tray when a new email is received
question is how to edit the code to use a mail icon from the os's icon theme
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> Libre Office
> No option to save presentation as pdf so normal human beings can see the fucking thing properly
so this is the power...of open sores
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>>52471556
>>52471547
This card is a GT 640, has 2 DVI and a single HDMI.
The sad thing is I have a pile of active adapters to go from DP source to DVI monitor for my other PC, which has a boatload of DP ports but the monitors are all those 1440p Korean specials with dual-link DVI only.
At any rate, I don't really have any need for 3D acceleration, it just always usually takes several hours of fucking around after a fresh install to get shit working, that I was pretty pumped to see it finally working.
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hi /g/, I want to know how I can close ports over shell on a linux based network device.
with "netstat -np | grep '127.0.0.1'" I can see which ports are open. With "fuser 22/tcp" I found out the PID number for killing etc but which command is to close the ports?
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>>52471768
There is a button for export as pdf.
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>>52471768
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>>52471768
file>export as pdf
wow that was hard
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>>52468283
>>52468296
>>52468317
>Friendly Linux Thread
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>>52471633
I even tried loading the profiles in /usr/share/color/icc/colord and both dispwin and xcalib say they're not fucking valid ICC profiles.
What the fuck? how in the fucking fuck do you load and ICC/ICM profile? are they just broken by design?
This is pissing me off, I don't understand how something can be this broken.
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Whatever you say mate.

Btw, i'm a non-native speaker.
If i'm not easily pissed of, should i answer yes or no to "are you prone to bouts of anger?"?
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>>52472110
>"are you prone to bouts of anger?"
Do you get angry often and/or easily?
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>>52472143
I guessed it would mean this, why would someone say it so fancy?
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>>52471792
You can't close a port but you can close the application that open the port.

You can also learn to set up firewall. Google iptables
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>>52472188
It's not fancy, it's regular English and means something specific. Which part/word did you find hard to understand? Prone and bouts are not really fancy at all, although bouts is perhaps not used all that often.
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>>52470495
Well, did you actually read what it's saying?

It's not liking the FAT partition, because FAT is fucking old shit.
Reformat it to ext4 or whatever, then try installing again.
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What usb stick would you recommend to run linux from? I'm thinking of experimenting with qubes and some other distros, and have no large sticks around so I gotta buy one.
Also if I just got an external ssd via usb 3.0 would it be discernable from built in sata3 ssd?
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>>52472234
yeah ok, thanks m8.
So I can just close the application with "kill -9 PID" thats the way I did it. But when teh device getting restarded the application starts again and the port is open again... thats not what I want. Can I handle this problem with iptables?
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>>52470057
Lookup the repo, add the repo, update, package manager again. This flow will work with every distro.
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>>52472275
>kill -9 PID
I love you anon.

With iptables you can block a port for the outside world. But the port is still open. It's just not reachable from the outside world.

Maybe you must look why the port is open and stop the application from spawning.
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>>52471075
Enjoy your ban
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>>52472235
If you can loose a low-educated person when you use them, they're fancy.
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>>52471768
>What is save?
>What is export?
It's not like you can open the .pdf back up again and edit it. It's destructive.
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>>52472331
>loose
Anon why were they trapped in the first place?
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>>52472331
You said you are a non-native speaker, that's not the same as low educated. Any native speaker, no matter what their education, will understand
>are you prone to bouts of anger
None of the words are fancy, you just didn't know them.
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>>52472375
unknown words appear fancy

>>52472369
Muh touchscreen
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>>52472402
>unknown words appear fancy
It doesn't make them fancy just because you don't know them. Again, they are very common and easily understood words in English, I'm sorry if your pride is hurt because you didn't understand something any native speaker would but it doesn't make you stupid or the words fancy. Learn from it, they are used often, especially in the medical field.
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I have a computer I use for seeding (manjaro i3). Is there a palemoon extension or other programme/browser that can refresh a page and then when it's loaded take a screenshot at a certain time?
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>>52472448
>medical field
i can't decrypt their writing
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>>52471592
>double piped
>not using
grep -v -e r2d2 -e c3po
or
grep -v -E 'r2d2|c3po'

Shiggy
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>programme
Go back to wherever you came from.
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>>52472487
Ok anon, if you can get over your pride you may learn something. Good luck with that.
Looking up two words in a dictionary shouldn't be a lot of work for you.
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>>52472545
Bruh, my desk is already a mess, i'm not going to pull out more shit.

Thanks for the tip about learning, i appreciate it.
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>>52472300
>I love you anon.
What you mean, m8?

Well, thanks for the help.
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>>52472675
>What you mean, m8?
You're not one of that scary anon who use TERM signal. You use the signal of the masters, those who want machines to obey, the glorious KILL signal.
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>>52472788
you mean that ironically now, m8?
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hey weird tech question; it seems like dual booting from the same drive can make linux distros and windows effect each other's load times in weird ways, if I install a linux on a completely separate hard drive will that stop all the weird fragmentation and shit?
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>>52472996
yes it will stop.
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>>52472996
>it seems like dual booting from the same drive can make linux distros and windows effect each other's load times in weird ways

Sounds like your Linux is fucking around with the hardware clock.
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>>52473066
>load times
>clock
how?
i think he means ext4
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>>52472919
No, I'm serious.
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>>52473095
>>52473066

well I noticed that after installing a linux distro the clock was off by a bit so I set it to internet time, after that I went back to windows and it was off by a few hours and the window froze when I tried to correct it from date & time, so maybe this theory has merit? how do I make the clocks stop fucking with each other?
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>>52473146
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Time#UTC_in_Windows
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>>52473146
maybe you are using UTC in linux, you can change it to localtime as windows.
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>>52472996
openntpd dud.
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>>52470153

It also seems like either caps lock is enabled or your shift key is stuck, you should get that checked out.
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>>52464630
So installed a dual boot of Arch last night to begin the transition. For some reason my DisplayPort monitor won't work, haven't installed anything after installing the OS so far, so just at the TTY.

Strangely it worked one time during the live USB while installing, but not the other time. And won't work at all now. Wanted to sort this out before I install i3 etc.
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How can i give sublime text editor the rights to save files to /srv/http/ ?
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>>52473433
>using sublime
your fault, you can't.
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I want to bloat my Debian so that things like the post button right here and the scroll bar to the right doesn't look like horse shit. I'm tempted of just going back to Ubuntu, but I don't want that. I want to learn.
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>>52473221
Can't believe I didn't know you could change windows to use UTC until now, thanks!
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>>52473554
apply your theme properly, use arc-darker or numix dark.
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>>52473499
coudnt find any other good editor for linux.

vim is not an option for me, also it has good keybindings.
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>>52473825
that's another of your fault. you can't utilize vim the right way. you're too dumb
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Trying to install Arch onto my SSD, but I also have another HDD I want to use for storage. How do I do this?
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>>52473863
you are rude man.
Got installed some plugins but it still doenst satisfy me.

anyway, sublime can now save the files in my /srv/http folder.
problem solved
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>>52473349
Help me senpai.
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>Friendly unix-Like operating system Thread
>/flt/
>better than friendly unix general

I liked it better when it was /fug/
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>>52473896
Well if you dont format the hdd while you install arch nothing should happen.
But you can go save and just unplug your hdd and manage it afterwards when everything is finished
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>>52473914
Fuck off topcuck420
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>>52473677
I downloaded the them from devianart, copied it to /usr/share/themes, and then applied them using xfce's appreance and window manager tweaks. What did I do incorrectly? I'll check out that Arc theme, it looks nice.
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>>52474132
Arc is pretty good senpai.
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After installing libpam-fprintd I can't log into KDE. I could log into terminal to remove it, but KDE got stuck after typing the password or swiping the fingerprint reader. Wat do?
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>run
sudo pacman -Suy
after 5 months of downtime
>everything still werks
best feeling
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>>52474259
That's your fault. You're running Suy instead of Syu.
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>fresh ubuntu install
>launch "additional drivers"
>select proprietary AMD drivers so my 390 actually gets good frames
>reboot system
>you are running in low-graphics mode because your graphics thing, settings and shit could not be detected...
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>>52474259
>Suy
ehhhh
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>>52474295
>AMD
Your fault.
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>>52474315
I thought bad amd drivers were a meme by nvidia shills but uhhhh
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>>52474336
On Windows, yes, but they're really bad on Linux.
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After endless frustration, I finally got to install Debian on the desktop after unplugging the Windows boot drive, using the integrated graphics instead of the cuck 970 card, manually adding an EFI partition, and temporarily disabling Asmedia. I'm a moron.

Which Nvidia drivers do I go with? I want to try native gaymes before even thinking about GPU passthroughs.
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>>52474283
>>52474307
>Using the same switches in a different order, even with no args, produces different results

It's a feature!™ :^)
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>>52474336
on linux not really.
they're really fucking bad.
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>>52474315
You mean
>Linux
Your fault.
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So how much manpower does it actually take to maintain pacman/AUR etc?

Do they need to change the source code of everything whenever there is a major kernal update etc.? Or is it basically just cloning the git repos of the developers?

How long will it last untill the jews take it away from us?
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>>52474378
Here's hoping AMD going open source fixes that.
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>>52474283
this makes a difference on arch?
garbage
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>>52474528
Oh yeah i've been reading about it.
But on what range of devices have they announced opensourcing the linux drivers?

Would be kind of nice to see my 8 year old laptop supported again, wouldn't it?
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>>52474553
It doesn't, we're just making fun of him for using it backwards.
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>>52474518
No they dont touch the source code. They do touch the configuration files in order to integrate it to the arch system.

Nobody wont take it from us, no while we have the GPL.
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>>52473554
Did you install murrine engine?
$ sudo apt install gtk2-engines-murrine
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>>52474295
>using closed drivers for a 390
use the open drivers, pic related
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>>52474578
I see, sweet, but how do they make money to keep up the sever costs etc. (and I'm assuming a few maintainers draw a salary)

Do they live on donations or a 4chan-tier marketing plan? If so who should I be donating to.
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>>52474618
so you get a marginal performance decrease but the tradeoff is a driver that won't shit on your plate during an update.

AMD really needs to get their shit together, this is ridiculous
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>>52474649
they started investing into the open drivers and want it to take over. the reasons to use the proprietary drivers become less everz kernel version.
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>>52474579
That actually helped! The buttons look much smoother and the scroll bar isn't always red. What about editing the scroll bar altogether? The terminal is still not in the best condition.
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>>52474884
Try a terminal that isn't shit.
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>>52474884
>The terminal is still not in the best condition.
just turn it off lol
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What's the best way to install Python packages on Arch (for 2.7 preferablly)?

I tried installing the anaconda distro, but I got a fuckton of erros (I think the download was faulty though). I'm finishing the installation now, but I will probably remove it because it seems unstable.

I moslty use it for scientific programming so I just want a numpy/sympy/scipy and a couple of sci-kits.
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>>52474884
change it to look better, there's settings for it.
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i'm caving guys i'm sorry. I'm too dumb to install arch

I'm gonna go install ubuntu and work my way up instead. don't bully pls ;;
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>>52474925
why are you too dumb?

what is hard to understand about the arch installation?
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>>52474925
There's nothing to work your way up to, it's not the pinnacle of linux. Use one that does what you need it to do, that's the whole point. Stop blindly following memes.
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>>52474925
It's so fucking easy senpai follow the beginner's guide. Once it's installed it's easy, and installing isn't hard either.
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>>52474925
good, have fun testing stuff.
this anon is right:>>52474957
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>>52474572
>using it backwards
>non-alphabetical
>backwards
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>>52474994
I use ls -la too senpai, got a problem with that?
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>>52474899
>>52474901
>>52474917
>gnome-terminal
MY EYES

Ubuntu had bloat but at least it looked decent. Fuck.
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>>52475003
That's more to do with typing patterns, but nobody would bitch at someone for using ls -al, which is actually in the order they appear on the man page.
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>>52475026
just change the colors good lord
In the "edit" menu there's quite a lot of fucking features of both xfce4-terminal and gnome-terminal
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>>52475026
xfce4-terminal is good enough and he uses xfce, so it's already there.
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>>52475026
Just change the fucking theme, how hard is that?
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>>52474633
https://www.archlinux.org/
check out the support section.
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>>52474618
forgive me but how do I actually install open drivers? I've only been using linux for afew days and anything I can't apt-get or google for some ppa or whatever I have a bunch of trouble installing. What's the easiest way to install them on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
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>>52475162
>14.04
not sure how far the open drivers are for you but here's a useful link https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
you are probably already using the open drivers if you don't know otherwise but the old ones are shit.
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>>52475063
>>52475083
I know that familia, it's using the system theme showing that white background. I can just change the background and be on my way like pic related.

I'm just wondering why when practically everything is fine now. I'll just keep xfce's terminal.
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>>52474925
linux isn't a video game where you level up you fucking sperg.
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my limited experience.

>ubanto gnome2
best experience until unity (dock-like appearance but extremely unintuitive). also anything based off this seemed to have much smoother font rendering than everything else
>mint gnome2
reminded me of windows XP in a bad way and minor differences to ubuntu were usually negative
>open suse KDE
reminded me of windows 7 in a bad way; too many options, the lack of harmony - polystylism
>Arch; Ubuntu minimal
made me realize inoffensive bloat can be preferred to the time required to get your perfect system built up from basics
>xubuntu 14.04
thunar seems slightly worse than classic ubunto-gnome file manager. like mint i find the minor differences are usually a hindrance when googling problem resolutions.

Not sure what I'll install on my new ThinkPad. Desires: ubunto level font-rendering, better ipod support (music player), basic and friendly DE like XFCE/gnome2, LTS, less screen-tearing
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>>52475234
I got really abnormally shitty FPS using the default x.org drivers both here and in 15.10. Are those the only open-source drivers or is there a second set somewhere?
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>>52475263
Just install urxvt you faggot.
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>>52464630
is there any way to copy windows shortcut stuff to linux? this is only reason i cant switch to linux because i am really got used to windows shortcuts and moving to linux reduces my productivity. i tried copying most used ones but its shit, DE settings for shortcuts are different than system settings somehow one of them overwrites other.
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>>52474250
Shameless bump.
I just followed the Thinkwiki instructions.
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>>52475283
which kernel version? i am on 4.3.3 and some anon said it's even better on 4.5. you could upgrade your kernel.
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>>52475279
>best experience until unity (dock-like appearance but extremely unintuitive). also anything based off this seemed to have much smoother font rendering than everything else
lol if you liked gnome2 experience on ubuntu just download ubuntu-mate.
same shit, since mate is a fork of gnome2 from after it was discontinued

I gotta say, using fedora + mate and it's bretty good
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>>52473349
Is this a rare problem?
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>>52475299
i have no idea what are you trying to accomplish.
what fucking shortcuts? applications? keyboard?
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>>52475352
keybindings
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>>52475326
I'll have to try, not sure what I was on before because I was experimenting with different distros and versions of ubuntu. Right now I'm considering just forgetting about gaming on linux until vulkan comes out and just sticking with one to learn the OS and the differences between and my way around it proficiently first.
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>>52475397
sounds like a good plan but compiling a newer kernel is a good step towards learning.
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>>52474633
>Update:
Anaconda didn't do anything, I'm not going to remove since it didn't break python and maybe I can pull packages from it or something.


In the mean time I figured out how to install individual packages for 2.7 if anyone's interested. It's simply python2 then a dash between packages instead of installing the package directly"

sudo pacman -S python2-scipy
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>>52475434
It feels rewarding just learning to set things up,compared to my first day where I spent like 2 hours trying to install dolphin and I'm now proficient enough to get any program or set of packages I want in under 5 minutes. Next I'm going to look more into tinkering and customizing and stuff and learning more terminal commands. The only thing I have had constant problems with since day 1 has been drivers (usually with the gpu or a peripheral like a wifi-stick or something)
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>>52475333
Aww that looks pretty nice. Cant remember why i choose xfce over mate. i think people were fearmongering over its long term support or something.

is gnome3 as if gnome2 has gone more like kde or unity?
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>>52475499
gnome3 is fucking fisherprice levels of dumbed down.

On debian at least, they removed the option to search in the current folder in nautilus when you start typing.
Instead, it searches EVERY FUCKING INDEXED FOLDER, which is bad enough until you realise the results are ordered by anything other than file name.

Overall it's not bad, but say goodbye to quite a few gnome built-in programs for lack of removed features.
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>>52475556
GNOME removed more stuff of their DE, gnome-terminal as example lost settings and other programs too. I don't get their philosophy. If it's "keep it simple" then why bloating with effects? Also reminder that they also don't care to fix the fucking filepicker. Fuck GNOME, srsly. Sadly the alternatives are mostly even more worse.
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>>52475499
>>52475705
I should have added to: >>52475556

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=737317
>Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 16:21:02 UTC

Close to two fucking years this has been an issue.
When I upgraded to jessie, i switched from nautilus to nemo within the first hour.
The only reason it took me a whole hour is because I made the mistake of trying to find a way to re-enable the old functionality, which still exists as an option in ubuntu etc.
But no, not in debian.
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Running xubuntu 15.04

How can I switch sound outputs automatically when I plug in my HDMI cable?

Currently the only way to get sound is to manually go into Pulse Audio Control and switch the profiles. Is there a way to do it automatically when the HDMI is plugged in?
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>>52474509
I plugged the windows boot drive and it had to check shit. I think it eradicated the EFI partition on the Debian drive. Fucking goddammit this shouldn't be so much trouble. I give up dual booting on different drives.
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I've been using ubuntu soley for twon weeks now and love it. What os and de should I upgrade to now
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>>52476105
Manjaro, then Arch, then Funtoo, then stop.
>>
What DE is literally best from an aesthetic rather than utilitarian viewpoint?

OSX obviously will have had the best funded and qualified graphic designers over any other environment, but we should bear in mind they had to produce something that would be commercially successful and work with the technical needs, they didn't get free rein. I don't think many /ic/ academics will lurk here but I'm curious what their opinion would be. We know the great majority of linux and windows setups would be put in le trash by them.
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>>52476105
if you like it, why stop?
i always loved debian and funtoo. maybe try those if you want fun.
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>>52476217
OSX looks like shit though.
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>>52476232
>OSX looks like shit though.
Maybe that's because of the commercial limitations I mentioned. But you have to admit even the common pleb would find OSX to look more tasteful than the majority of OS defaults. A qualified aesthetician wouldn't give them the time of day
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>>52476445
>But you have to admit even the common pleb would find OSX to look more tasteful than the majority of OS defaults
I know that they do, I don't know why they would though. Like I literally cannot comprehend why people think it looks good, not just good but 'amazing'.
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>>52476217
From aesthetics?

GNOME 3.

It's honestly difficult to dislike its aesthetics. It just happens to not be like GNOME 2 at all, which is it's reasonable to dislike it.
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>>52475705
>GNOME removed more stuff of their DE
even a better example is the fact that the display refresh rate settings is missing from the display settings menu despite the fact that gnome2 had it and it worked
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>>52476860
Really? Just for comparison, this is the first image on gnome's official page.
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GNU/Thread:
>>52476970
>>52476970
>>52476970
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>>52475882
google phrases like "pulseaudio" and "hdmi"
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>>52476987
And this is the first OSX pic from apple's official page.
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>>52476987
yeah, gnome3 got the aesthetic and workflow part okay.

they fucked up everything else unfortunately
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>>52476217
I like Plasma 5, but I think the point is that most Linux DEs are highly customisable and generally have a lot of capabilities. Your eye candy depends more on your own creativity than
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>>52470726
>>52465017
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv
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>>52470366
>Im on Arch
found your problem
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>>52470366
Use NM with NM-applet desu.
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>>52478967
It has already been sauced, but thanks.
I've learnt a lot today thanks to that site.
I'm more normal than i though and some people that i considered normal scored very high with an occasional high.
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