Previously on: >>52445988
I decided to keep it "Linux" so we can accomodate GNU free distros like Alpine Linux.
Intended for users of all levels, including absolute beginners.
There are four ways to try Linux, you can:
1) Install a distro on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
2) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full Linux experience".
3) Dual-boot Linux with Windows/Mac (recommended if you want to learn more about Linux)
4) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with Linux (not recommended)
Before asking, please find the answers to your questions in resources.
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread.
Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe wine can make up for it.
man <insert command here>
your friendly neighborhood search engine
What is Linux (or GNU/Linux, whatever)?
Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic [it's reddit-tier] -- refer all your recommended software here.)
Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse/puke-inducing like those at desktop threads)
A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
Check out this page for any updates on the OP
IRC No one uses:
the above guy is known as the pedo OP
its the jimmy savile pictures/gif posting guy, who is a known pedophile in the UK
He even put the claim that its a micro meme here in /flt/ on the gentoo wiki
that is all, just so you know
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread.
No bully for using distro/program X or Y.
You're shooting your own leg when you troll linux babbies and make it hard for them to free themselves from windows.
Can someone please explain the difference between
Where to place the files the correct way? Would be nice to have all configs follow the same rules ... why is this chaos even a thing?
So Arch's general recommendations page refered me to to this page about CPU scaling:
Apparently the Linux kernal automatically adjusts the frequency and voltage which is pretty cool.
My question is just I can see why changing the voltage (though I don't know why higher voltages the lowest voltage VH/VL would be used in the first place) would influence power consumption+heat generation, but why would the frequency effect it? I do have an idea of what clock speed does in setting the logic gates every cycle by sending a current to every CMOS NOT gate, but the only way it would be a net lower expenditure is if the period in between the sent currents was longer than the normal while sending less current signals over a time period total. So does clock speed actually refer to "the total amount of signals sent per second" rather than the true frequency?
And also is this a thing that all modern kernals do or is it unique to Linux?
Maybe this is more a question for EEs/CompEs on /sci/, but I'm guessing poeple here would know more details about the second question.
Guy from yesterday, still haven't given up on being unable to properly bind mouse keys to keyboard with Xbindkeys. The intent is to replicate my current AHK Windows script that uses it as both a) regular mousepress that can be used to drag and drop things, and b) as a modifier key for arrow keys within Firefox (alt+left/right for moving forward/back pages) and maybe the filemanager if I manage to get that far.
For reference, this is the code I'm using right now (c:108 binds to right Alt):"xdotool mousedown 1"
"xdotool mouseup 1"
c:108 + Release
What I've been further doing with this was using xmodmap (which is horribly buggy) to disable repeat on the key and remove the modifier flag. So far so good, but Firefox keyconfig refuses to accept it as a modifier. But once I add a modifier flag to the key, after a single press it stays down and doesn't get released.
TL;DR somebody said that the "release" trigger doesn't get triggered properly and it might be a bug, so I'm looking for a workaround. Any suggestions for what else I could try? Are there any alternatives for Xbindkeys that aren't just wrappers?
i'm a pretty practical person, and like to concentrate on important things, i'd also like to think of myself as pretty guy technical as well (programming low level for OS's, programming for embedded devices, reverse engineering are part of my work)
I've always wanted to switch to a linux distro (currently winfag), but never had luck with that (performance, tedious configuration). I've tried ubuntu at several occasions, and also arch, but I always felt I spend too much time on fixing and configuring stuff instead of actually using my laptop.
I'm currently using Xubuntu.
However I need to use several Windows specific applications. VM is out of the question. How easy is it to create a Windows boot partition on my hard drive from Xubuntu? Would it be easier to go back to Windows and set up a new Linux partition from there?
Basically an EE question but yeah, in CMOS technologies you only use power when changing states.
That is, keeping a register bit at a logic 1 consumes no power, even though it may be producing a voltage, because there is no current drawn.
However, when transitioning from one state to another, there is a brief period where there is a connection between Vcc and ground, so current is drawn.
The transition time is fairly constant no matter how often you change the state (assuming you dont go nuts and change before a transition is complete).
Therefore the amount of power you consume is directly proportional to the clock frequency.
Does anyone know how to install kde connect on gnome in fedora ? I really want to try it out. It is free and has more features than pushbullet including mirroring your pc on your phone
about 2-3 years ago, used gnome
arch did last for some months, but eventually i started to get all kinds of weird stuff with pacman and how it managed packages/dependencies and some problems with the network manager also so I switched to windows since then.
still work a lot with linux systems at work, but just can't persuade myself to switch to linux as my primary working environment
Please help me. I am looking for a good graphical file manager to use with awesome wm on debian testing. It must have as little dependencies as possible. Also looking for a minimalistic firefox theme.
As for your other question, I'm pretty sure Windows can do the same thing.
It's more dependant on the CPU manufacturer than the OS.
Thanks for the detailed answer.
>That is, keeping a register bit at a logic 1 consumes no power, even though it may be producing a voltage, because there is no current drawn.
Oh, that is fucking wicked, I always imagined that the current is constantly flowing throughout the entire system for some reason. So it's actually just a static voltage on the gate itself, that's awesome.
Can I boot a Linux system without attaching my GPU?
I want to pass the GPU to a VM, but don't have a second GPU to give to Linux.
If I compile the kernel (or at least initrd, and blacklist the driver) without support for radeon/amdgpu, will I still be able to fully boot, then pass the device to VGApassthrough?
>I always imagined that the current is constantly flowing throughout the entire system for some reason. So it's actually just a static voltage on the gate itself, that's awesome.
There is almost always some amount of static power consumption, but this is very low, sometimes negligible.
It becomes noticeable when you have inefficient transformers losing 20% just to maintain the 12V, 5V and 3V rails for example.
Also this is specific to CMOS. Another thing to consider is that that DRAM is constantly discharging and recharging the capacitances, even though the states may not be changing.
The trade-off for smaller footprint per bit of data (good luck fitting 8GB of SRAM on a single stick) is slower access and more power consumption.
I'd like to clarify that there is always leakage.
You will never get zero current with any amount of voltage, even at a logic 1.
This leakage is not always noticeable, but is the reason that your computer will drain power in sleep mode. There is still current running through the components, even though it's a very small amount.
> systemd-load-modules abruptly can't find a bunch of modules
> modules get installed as usual
> I've done nothing particularly different to the kernel
Trying to figure it out. Could it be a permissions issue?
Consider yourself lucky. Debian Wheezy (back when it was stable, not oldstable) didn't have any packages for cinnamon, at all.
I had to upgrade my VM to testing just to try out a new fucking DE, which of course wrecked it so I've started over with a fresh install since Jessie became stable.
Stock ubuntu with cinammon installed.
Also, what the fuck is a patlo?
Well I'll be damned.
Have you tried messing around with the chord keys function? That's the only thing I haven't delved too far in yet is chord keys, have you tried something with those?
Xmodmap doesn't assign mouse buttons, or at least I haven't seen any documented way to.
In terminals you break programs using CTRL+C, therefore on terminals you use CTRL+SHIFT+C and CTRL+SHIFT+V or simple paste via MIDDLE CLICK the last selected text (the linux way).
Xressources for costumizing.
Also see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/rxvt-unicode
I want to buy an orange/kiwi/sausage/raspberryPI. Which one should I get? I just want it to run on gnu/linux and be able to use GPIO. I doesn't need to run 10bit chinese cartoons, but sure as hell I don't want to pay over six gorillion euro of import tax to EU.
fucked up the terminal. what do?
Use a DE until you feel save enough for installing everything manually. Next to this, if you want to use, let's say, awesome or i3wm, you can still install and use these WMs additionally (you should be able to select your WM at login/your DM).
Well guess I can still try to map it this way then. But how will X recognize the button as an alt key for Firefox purposes? Is it possible to feasibly map pressing the button solo as a mouse and make another multikey bind to do something else, e.g. to send "alt+left"?
I think you're confusing me with another anon. What I want to do:
>Press right alt -> mouseclick (can hold to drag stuff)
>Hold right alt + press left -> Alt+left
It werked in Windows
I just don't know what program I should read up for this. Apparently Xbindkeys is out of question, Xkeymaps was useless too, Xmodmaps might work but its syntax feels arcane. Then there's Xkb which is supposed to be more powerful...
Are there any others that are worth considering? I think what I need to do is not to rebind the key itself, but actually add another action on top of the one it already does. Is it possible at all in X, to have two actions on one single key?
>I've been using Linux based OS-es since 2010
>very boring nowadays
>don't feel comfortable with any distro
>more like I don't like any DEs
>need something for my new thinkpad x200
I tried the mouse rocker thing (hold right button click left button = Alt+Left etc), but Ive problems:
"xdotool key Alt+Left"
"xdotool key Alt+Right"
It seems xbindkeys only regonizes the first mouse button, not the second one. Anyway, in case anyone has a mouse with thumb buttons, you can use this, just replace the buttons with b:4, b:5 or b:5, b:6. If anyone knows why my "rocker" thing doesnt work, please respond!
Other mouse anon here, Xbindkeys simply doesn't recognize two mouse button presses for a single action, at least the way you're using it right now. Maybe look into the chord keys function? Either way the program annoys me.
>want to download an alternative to snipping tool I previously used in windows.
>Found alt on google called "shutter".
>Google reveals all download top links are those usual shitty sites that try to bundle everything with 9000 search bars and adshit.
>Wonder if it's on an Arch repo.
>Simply type "sudo pacman -S shutter".
>Call it from the command console. It works.
>Easilly found it in my DE app and widgets too.
>It's way better than the windown version too.
I'm never going back.
whats everyones opinion of redhat?
So I've just spent the last half hour trying to work out why file doesn't read from stdin, meaning you can't pipe directly (inb4 just use xargs).
So without extensively reading man pages, how are you supposed to know when you can pipe directly and when you can't?
If you really need the support, it's still miles ahead of microshaft anyway.
Just don't expect that to help with the fact nobody else is using libreoffice so you won't be able to open anyone's .docx files correctly formatted.
well for the most part i was tinkering with it for Hortonworks Hadoop stuff, they gave out a free sandbox and i got comfortable with it.
but then again its not a friendly interface to use
unless you're running a company with lotsa computers you don't need it.
free version of RHEL is called CentOS (compiled from the sources provided by redhat, so literally the same shit but without paid support)
Upstream version of RHEL is Fedora. redhat builds their enterprise linux from it.
Firefox wont load any profiles, nor create a new profile.Its always "inaccessible or missing".
How do i fix this shit.
I've deleted .mozilla and when firefox regenerates it, but there is no profile in it, it wont make a default profile
Im downgraded tried different variations, they all report the same thing.
I have Mint 17.3 MATE, but gutted all the MATE and changed to Cinnamon, or so I thought.
When I select Lock Screen or just shut my laptop lid, it uses the Cinnamon lock screen to log back in, which is fine. But when the screen times out it defaults to the MATE lock screen. I tried uninstalling MATE-screensaver but then when my screen times out I'm presented with the Linux Mint default background and am unable to sign back in - basically a blank screen. I'm forced to restart.
How do I fix this?
Ive spent a motherfucking month googling, and both of my tickets were closed. I've tried the archlinux and fedora support forums.Everyone ignores it.
Im not a fucking retard, i know how to manage profiles.But firefox refuses to behave as it should.
Fuck off nigger
This is the hard drive from my old laptop. I've made backups (that hopefully work).
I haven't really used it for a while and decided maybe I could use it in my desktop. When it was in my laptop, it was starting to act funny.
I finally got around to fucking around with SMART. Ignore the temperature error, I accidentally overheated the laptop years ago.
What's your guys' verdict?
Nothing, it returns nothing
strace,gdb, valgrun. They all show nothing wrong with it.
Ive completely removed firefox and all mozilla components.
Ive backed up my profiles and deleted the .mozilla. Firefox makes a new .mozilla, but it only makes a firefox folder in .mozilla with no default profile in it.
I'm trying to zero it out to install ubuntu for shits and giggles.
It keeps on jumping from 40 MiB/s to about 19 KiB/s.
if I'm right the future doesn't seem very funky fresh for this drive
^ Do I need to worry about things like this and/or firewalls etc. or does browsers like firefox come with its own DNS security lists?
Running just the binary directly from mozilla, results in the same problem. No console output.
I dont even care about getting my old profile back at this point.I just need it running.
I removed the skeleton files from profile.d.
I dont want to install virtualbox and all its bloated deps.
How do I get X to automatically run xset to turn off power saving shit when I start X? I've tried adding it to my .xinitrc file, but it doesn't seem to be working. Works fine if I manually enter the command in a terminal.
>tfw Compton still screen tears (on the portrait monitor) when using both a landscape and a portrait monitor, and so does every other Xorg compositor
WAYLAND PLEASE HURRY
I don't know anything to help you, but damn it sucks that you're struggling so much with this. I installed firefox 5 hours ago logged on to my firefox account and synced my profile from my old windows instance, it worked seamlessly despite my old windows account using a bunch of shit that requires aero.
Don't have firsthand experience but apparently it's relatively usable on Gnome and on KDE it looks like this https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kde-2016-review&num=6
Expect to have to still run X apps for a long time tho
It was fine till 11/22.I didnt even update anything that day, let alone firefox.I have no other fucking clue what to do.
I dont care about the profile. I've tried chrooting it on my own and using sandfox. But the same results happened. Everything is stock permissiones, I played around with the .mozilla and nothing changed.Even used a new skeleton user and tryed to launch it and same shit
> wpa_supplicant always loaded at boot
> until one day it didn't
> need to go to root and start it manually again
> config files the same
> permissions to said files the same
> wireless card detected
> modules for said card loaded
> no idea why
I'd appreciate any help.
Same result, just a different name in the dialog.
Using them from the package manager and compiling from source.
Same anon from the last thread
Should I really replace Chrome OS with Gentoo? Or leave it alone. I don't mind giving a shot from my reasons here
On the archwiki has already for it, but for Gentoo it's a forum post with some guy failing. That's what I'm worried about…
>So does anybody with Chromebook install another OS besides the regular ones(chrubuntu)?
Yes, you should definitely replace it with something else. Gentoo is good but will be difficult.
Never used a chromebook before, I'm no good for anything more specific than that.
That it did. It failed to load the wpa_supplicant daemon.
The system can't seem to decide whether my wireless card is named wlan0 or wlp3s0, so I enabled a service for both. Could that be the issue?
There is no reason to do a complete reinstall over one application not working, there has to be a reason and there has to be a way to fix it.
Yeah having a stable system for 8 consecutive years is fucked, sure bub.
>Yeah having a stable system for 8 consecutive years is fucked, sure bub.
>can't run an application or any of its forks
>can't run as user or other user
>can't get info from bug reports, distro support forum or /g/
sounds pretty fucked to me mate
which one should I choose senpai
Go to the aur pages on the site.
Look for apacman
download the tar.gz
extract it somewhere
go in to the folder and makepkg
let it work
when its done do pacman -U apacman<verzion>.xz
Now its installed
Reinstalling the entire system is a windows ideal. One application is not working, there is a reason for it, its a matter of finding it.
I posted it today and yesterday in different flt threads at different times. Responding to peoples posts isnt spamming, atleast im not responding to one post at a time.
>Does anyone know how to install kde connect on gnome in fedora ? I really want to try it out. It is free and has more features than pushbullet including mirroring your pc on your phone
If you want to mirror your pc to an android device then use a tablet, not a phone
Btw is it conventional to extract that somewhere like in /root/src or just anywhere in the home directory?
What I mean is if I use makepkg is that designed to compile it and place it in a certain directory? How does pacman "know" where to find the package?
>Can I boot a Linux system without attaching my GPU?
>I want to pass the GPU to a VM, but don't have a second GPU to give to Linux.
>If I compile the kernel (or at least initrd, and blacklist the driver) without support for radeon/amdgpu, will I still be able to fully boot, then pass the device to VGApassthrough?
Yes, but you'll have to boot your system "headless" meaning you'll be using the terminal to launch the VM.
You'll also have to unblacklist your gpu driver and reboot if you want to use a gui within the host.
Unless... you run nomachine NX as a service and connect to it via another device, such as a phone or laptop
anywhere in your home dir. I have a dir for aur made packages.
makepkg makes the package in the dir you are working. After the package is made, you install it by using pacman, but it doesnt know where the package is, you have to tell it using the parameter like this: pacman -U yourpakcage.pkg.tar.xz .
First I don't have a tablet not will I buy one and second I was just pointing it out has one of the many features it has.
My question is how can I install it on gnome environment in fedora
I saw that, but how do I get it to open a terminal emulator?
I triedxdg-open bashand got ``Unable to detect the URI-scheme of "bash".''xdg-open /bin/bashresults in a plain error code 4 (action failed).
SMART's never bitched about it in any logs.Nothing wrong in its smart data either.
I'm serious, I am going to kick the living shit
out of you, game over, lights out.
Maybe you don't have write permissions.
Have you tried launching it from a terminal with the command I gave you?
List the output, then paste it into Google and see if anything comes up about the error
>Arch & TrueCrypt
Cince ABI change in C++ truecrypt stopped working
They talk about it here
Any way to make it work without reverting to the previous version and blocking the update?
Also it somehow feels retarded, previous version works, but one after that not, even though a change happened on Arch side with ABI?
Any Arch users that fixed this?
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You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
all the libraries are stored in /var/lib or whatever arbitrary directory your distro chooses
it doesn't matter where the binary is as long as your computer has the libraries installed
Thank you, but it is a linux question. I compiled lots of random stuff, and they are all located at random places, I need to change that without messing it all up.
hi, i am an arch user. i haven't browsed /v/ since 2008 and my GUI is a no-frills tiling WM
i've spent probably a little longer tinkering with my WM than i should have but i'm by no means a ricer
>use my thing, my thing is best!
>Well I've kinda heard a lot of stories that disagree with tha-
>NO, MY THING IS BEST! YOU CAN'T PROVE IT'S NOT, SO IT MUST BE BEST!
Sure thing buddy.
Got lost on your way to Reddit, newfag?
Nobody cares who you are, fucking attention whore.
It's kind of bizarre, though.
In a word, "file" doesn't read standard input because it's not a file. "file" reads files. I guess another way to think about it is, in terms of input, it's only interested in the location of files. It has no reason to think that anything from stdin will specifically be a location of a file. Hence, it doesn't read from stdin.
It's only bizarre because "file" just so happens to not read from stdin, unlike plenty of programs that will take args, stdin or a combination of both.
I'm not saying it should, it just seems arbitrary which core utils read from stdin when varargs are missing and which don't.
Other than memorising, rereading manpages or just trial and error, how are you supposed to know?
How to install desktop environment on debian from CLI?
I tried going through all the updates and apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or kde or other shit but it always says package is not found
what am I fucking up?
The package manager is APT.
You can manage packages with either apt-get or aptitude.
As always, be sure to use "man" to figure out what you need to do. I'm not on a Debian system, but I'm sure you'd figure out the arguments for searching by using "man apt-get" or something like that.
In your specific case, you're not typing in the package names correctly: ubuntu-desktop isn't a Debian package, and there is "kde" package (instead, there are a bunch of different versions the standard KDE package for Debian). You'd probably want "kde-standard".
Aight, decided to make an attempt at un-fucking my sleeping cycle.
I got coffee, cigs and sunflower seeds to pop.
Will be sitting with you niggers all night.
Has anyone here managed to turn vsync off for the opensource ati drivers? (xf86-video-ati)
I have been following the Arch Wiki page, which specifically mentions turning off vsync, but neither of the available options appears to work.
I'm pretty new to linux and I'm overwhelmed by the number of distros available. I'd like to try out a lot of them, but I don't want to migrate everything everytime I change distros.
Is there a way I can transfer packages I installed to another distro? Can I just copy /bin directories and libraries I downloaded to another linux distribution provided that they're running on the same machine?
>I'd like to try out a lot of them, but I don't want to migrate everything everytime I change distros.
no need to. Out of the major ones there's the Ubuntu group (which includes mint) and Fedora. And maybe arch. The rest are either derivatives, upstream versions of forementioned and special use cases distros like gentoo, slackware, which shouldn't bother you at all.
>Is there a way I can transfer packages I installed to another distro? Can I just copy /bin directories and libraries I downloaded to another linux distribution provided that they're running on the same machine?
No, not really.
What you can do is during an installation tell the partitioner to keep existing /home partition. This saves you time backing up the existing data and configuration you've done. But transferring packages is not an option, due to the slight differences in system architecture between them
>can transfer packages I installed to another distro?
Why would you? except for a few specific packages of each distribution , the packages are bassically the same. (maybe some versions would differ.)
Distro hopping is really not necessary, they differ mainly via default configs and packaging methods.
Any of the major distros can be made to look and behave identically, only differing on package versions.
In essense the main differences are bleeding edge distros mean you get to try new stuff, but can suffer from bugs and conservative distros try to use more tested versions of software, focusing on stability.
And no, the best you can do is to list installed packages and then use that list to replicate the system, mainly because package versions will be different, not to mention different package managers.
As for how distros are related, well
Why the Fuck is /g/ always full of newfags. You would think that after 25 years of these "how to get into linux" threads, we would already be into it doing cool ass shit.
Am I the only mother fucker that actually uses linux on the regular? Holy fuck
the lack of dependency resolution isn't actually as big a deal as people make of it. it mentions requirements and the realism is that requirements aren't always required so you can choose, or you could just install them all at once. but at that point, no i couldn't explain why you personally would want to use slackware as that is its unique thing. of course it isn't that unique anymore since most distros support something similar, but it is still a very solid distro
The /home transition doesn't really work anymore like it used to, breaking APIs is sadly too common and will cause config mismatches.
And some distros patch the fuck out of the directories, since respecting common fs structure is apparently too hard for some projects and they want to fill your /home with dot files instead of .config
IMO even bash should put it's dot files to config.
Cleaning up /home is my life goal :/
Pop the DVD in, install and be happy.
Most don't get that Slackware aims to be a full install, think installing all Debian packages or all packages from AUR, well much less in reality but that's the point.
You don't need dependency handling when you don't need to install anything.
And if you do, just install it from the repos, you most likely already have the dependencies installed..
> been using linux for nigh on three years
> managed to install Gentoo by amalgamating three different guides to get what I wanted
> vast knowledge of CLI and snarky names for proprietary software
Let the Linux newfags be. We want to encourage them to grow into their Linux pants, not drive them off by being hostile.
Start an Advanced Linux Thread if you want to discuss major cool shit.
You do realise anyone who actually knows what they're doing is far too busy being productive to spend all day shitposting on /g/, right?
Your argument is essentially "why are there always learner drivers on the road, haven't they all passed their tests by now?!?"