http://arstechnica.com/information- technology/2016/01/skyla

>Going forward, the company says that using the latest generation processors will always require the latest generation operating system.
hahaha fucking hell hahah

>only the "most critical" security fixes will be released for those platforms

so its a good thing? no botnet updates

>>52452261
Holy shit. I guess Zen is a no for me, then. I'll be using Haswell forever.

Holy shit Microsoft is really desperate after the exposure of the privacy concerns lmao, is this the collapse of the empire /g/?

Well it makes sense, making CPUs backwards compatible must be a pain in the ass.

>>52452451
It's probably second nature to them, they've been doing it forever. There's something else at play here, Bill Gates is probably spending his fortune to make sure Windows 10 takes over before he dies lol

>>52452375
>Industry analyst Patrick Moorhead of Moor Insights & Strategy suggests that for this reason the move may prove popular with the hardware companies. Cutting off support for old software when releasing new hardware is rarely popular, even though this legacy support has a substantial cost for hardware companies, with Moorhead suggesting that as much as a third of hardware company resources were spent on this. With Microsoft making the decision, it shifts the blame from any individual hardware, allowing the hardware companies to reap the savings, while Microsoft shoulders the blame.

most likely they're sucking up to hardware vendors.

>Microsoft's Terry Myerson, Executive Vice President, Windows and Devices Group, was a little less direct about this, but made similar implications. He told us that change was driven by a desire to preserve quality. Ensuring high quality support for Skylake on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 took a "large investment," and future processor innovations will demand continued investment. Microsoft sees itself as responsible for the ongoing system quality of Windows systems—even though parts of the Windows experience is dependent on third-party contributions—and spending resources to update old operating systems makes that quality hard to achieve. Tying the newest silicon to the newest platform greatly reduces this complexity for the entire PC ecosystem.

or cut the cost of support. or both

Does this mean linux will actually get better?

>>52452500
Yeah, exactly what I was suspecting. Micro and soft is noticing people becoming wary of Windows 10 so they're trying their earnest to leave people out of other options than Windows 10

>>52452261
Does this mean the only option for running old Windows on modern Intel hardware will be with Broadwell-E? Freedom of choice is getting increasingly expensive.

>>52452558
you can run Windows 7 on Sky\Kaby lake or next AMD CPU.

People run Windows 7 or Skylake right now and for them nothing will change.
But if this CPU is doing something radical or needs specific, not generic, fixes, like new power states for Skylake, update won't be released for W7\8.

>>52452261
>18 months

Microsoft will be bankrupt by then.

Their new business model of selling personal information just isn't working.

>>52452590
Ah, thanks for the clarification.

>>52452602
except they don't scan e-mails to deliver ads or sell info to 3rd party.
I think they're too aggressive, it might cost them their small server segment, new MS is all about the cloud, but I don't know if they want to sacrifice enterprise to the cloud.

btw W10 is a success, MS is profitable and most shareholders are happy with Salty Nutella.

>>52452261
Stop believing FUD. At most, this means that if you're an OEM, you won't be able to get Official Gen-U-Wine "Designed for Windows __" stickers for the new CPUs.

>>52452706
http://wccftech.com/intel-introduces-speed-shift-technology/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9751/examining-intel-skylake-speed-shift-more-responsive-processors
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Skylake-Processor-Architecture-Overview-Scaling-tablets-servers/Intel-Speed
Only on Windows 10.

There;s a lot of FUD, but this isn't one.

Guess I'll be using Sandy Bridge forever.

You're getting this backwards.

Old Windows versions (<10) are no longer being actively developed in any way whatsover.

Windows 7 and 8.1 will be pulled from all OEM sales completely in October 2016, and they're not suitable for new hardware.

Windows Vista (SP2, until April 2017) and Windows 7 (SP1, until January 2020) are already in extended support, like XP was until 2014 - which means ONLY important->critical security updates.

Windows 8.1 is currently slated to end mainstream support in January 2018 and EOL in 2023, but with only a few exceptions, only security updates are being added now - all new development is taking place on the 10.x rolling-release line, with periodic snapshot backports of security releases to the slower-updating LTSB (long-term support base) version for enterprises.

They want you to upgrade because you're running the equivalent of Debian oldoldstable - which, surprise, wouldn't support new hardware either, without backports.

AMD znver1 ("Zen") is partially supported in Linux 4.3.3 and 4.4. It doesn't boot 4.1 or earlier. (It doesn't boot untethered at all, yet: the tape-out is not yet complete, it is undergoing validation.)

News for Nobody.

They never recompiled Windows 3.1 for MMX either.

>>52452451
x86 architectures has instructions dating to the 8086 and they're only kept for compatibility reasons.

It doesn't make sense, since they've been doing it for ages

>>52452602
>Microsoft will be bankrupt by then.

This is not a repeat from 1995, 1999, 2001, 2005, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2015 or all the other years people have said M$ will go bankrupt.

Much like the year of the linux desktop

Scare tactics much Microsoft kek

This is great news since it will mean users flooding to linux.

>>52452261
No, you misunderstand. Old hardware will continue to be supported. However, new hardware will not be supported when running on an older operating system.

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The next step is to end the 32-bit operating systems and focus only on 64-bit.

>>52453132
this should've happened ages ago

I will always buy Microsoft Windows™ because the future starts now™. Microsoft also pioneers innovative new technologies like DirectX™, Office™, and the highest quality operating system to ever grace computers.
When I boot up with a brand new computer running Microsoft Windows™ with the latest Z chipset powered by Intel™ and latest Nvidia™ graphics, I can enjoy the games the way they where meant to be played™. Microsoft™ also pioneers in the gaming field with its latest Xbox™ console to allow gamers to play on their big screens with family and friends.
Microsoft Windows™ is also very secure. It's the most secure operating system on the planet. It's harden against NSA probes, tested by highly trained and experienced programming engineers to have ever graced this planet. With such innovative security technologies like UAC, Defender, Security Essentials, BitLocker, and Windows™ Firewall you can ensure all your sensitive data is secured and you're safe on the internet. Microsoft™ most advanced, and dare say, the most advance web browser on the market, Edge™, has decoupled addon support, like flash, to ensure maximum user safety when browsing the web. You can ensure Microsoft™ keeps you safe from the NSA.
At this point in time there's really no reasons to consider Linux. I tried once. It caused my Nvidia™ graphics to overheat so much due to its poor quality, novice programmed, open source drivers that it exploded and nearly burnt down my house.
It's quite clear that OPs a Linux shill trying to convince you to settle on something less than the optimal experience with Windows™. Windows™ is the only real way to play games or do anything productive. We've seen that they offer incredible libraries for software developers like Visual Studio and Microsoft C++ Compiler. He is probably too poor to afford the Microsoft Windows™ experience and can not afford to play any games.
Don't be a poor gamer with bad security and no drivers. The Future Starts Now™ with Microsoft Windows™

>>52453132
This is not a bad thing.

Give me a fucking reason to upgrade my CPU first.

>>52454662
why would you still use old hard/software?

>>52452261
>install linux
>virtualize windows 7 with qemu, kvm, pcie passthrough
easy shit

>>52454766
Cos my sandybridge i5 just fucking werks senpai

>>52452612
well no, I'm already on Windows 10 Pro, it's better than 7 or 8.1. You just off the privacy related stuff and they get basically no info from you.

Most of the kiddies pretending to complain about 10 are using 7 or 8 with auto-update configured so they probably already have all the telemetry crap installed and running anyway.

>>52453070
Does Steam machine count as Linux desktop? Then again Steam machine is almost certainly destined to fail...

>>52453020

dude don't bother, this website is mostly populated by 12 year old windows XP users from third world countries using a PC their parents bought out of the back of a magazine with twelve browser toolbars preinstalled.

>>52454867

Does finishing your ESL class count as learning English? Then again you're almost certainly destined to fail...

if you wanted you could run windows 3.1 on skylake, as x86 will always be backwards compatible, and i really doubt that they'd be able to write enough in the microcode to purposefully block operating system versions, and if anything it'd come off as an anti-trust issue, due to CPU manufacturers working closely with microsoft to make sure windows is the only operating system.

Microsoft is such a great troll company

They just have to put one little press statement out there that they can easily take back at any time

And everyone goes apeshit about some stupid thing until the next one.

>>52454829
It's not just telemetry putting me off. I find the multiple options menus and inconsistent UI a real pain in the ass.

I keep playing around with it in a VM but I just can't stand it.

>M$ security updates
>Windows in general
Who gives a fuck? I can play dota and my spreadsheets on Arch and have vga pass-through working for dark souls in a win7 qemu, literately nothing for me from mircrosoft's sales reps

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>>52453132

>>52454900
Bitch, I can omit my articles if I feel like it, and you can't do shit about it!

>>52452261
they will take it back eventually

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>>52454829
>bunch of blank statements and implications
also
>Windows 10 Pro
>You just off the privacy related stuff and they get basically no info from you
kek, just say that you don't care m8 we won't judge you

>>52452612
yup, this move kills AMD dead.

Wintel going stronk.

>>52453132
should have happened with win8, tbqhfam

>>52457145
>he thinks his registry switches do anything in Pro
kek, read the enterprise documentation, you just switched a placebo. The registry key for telemetry is ignored in Pro

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>>52457145
enjoy your shit

>>52452261
It is not like it is going to stop working.

This is more about PC manufactures being forced to ship Windows 10 pcs with new hardware.

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>>52458289
I'm not sure LTSB lets you stop everything either. I'm afraid it's still partly placebo. Can you confirm or deny?

>>52459337
That's Enterprise LTSB.

the nutella man has gone mad
ballmer return when?

>>52459554
>implying ballmer wasn't mad

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>>52454876

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>>52459554

HE MADE ONE MISTAKE PEOPLE.

ONE BAD MISTAKE.

Hitler made a mistake and we all forgave him. Petition to bring back Ballmer anyone?

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Does this mean 32-bit is officially dead? We wont' have to deal with software companies coming upw ith excuses for why they don't compile to x64.

>>52452261
> implying a true /g/entooman uses Windows

I see all this shit happening and all it makes me think is that enterprise will inevitably ditch Windows 7/XP for employee desktop use to move to Linux, greater increasing the demmand for quality features, promoting development and causing Linux to finally get better support.

Holy shit, could this be the fabled year the /g/entoomen foretold of?

Microsoft's getting really desperate now. I dunno how you can be so fucking paranoid and desperate when you enjoy such overwhelming market dominance. I don't care what they say, I'll be sticking with Windows 7 even if I have to hack some third party fix onto the ISO to get it to work with new processors. Fuck Microsoft, fuck Windows 10, and fuck Skylake too. Downgrade from Broadwell, what a joke.

You know I bet this whole mess is because Intel called up Microsoft and blamed Windows for their recent processor bug.

They'll fold on that deal.

At least one of them will see an untapped market of non-win10 users.

Also, how the fuck can you make a processor only work on one OS? Go superfucking secret on the instruction set?

>>52460446
>it's literally easier to learn xubuntu from windows 7 than it is to learn 8 or 10
on the one hand, you might be on to something, but on the other hand, the manufacturers will still ship the latest windows on their prebuilts for the foreseeable future, so that would require businesses to either request it, which I don't see happening, or install it themselves, which I also don't see happening

>>52460685
Except IT departments exist for this reason.

I don't know of any company that would willingly give Microsoft their business plans.

>>52460560
At least one of whom? The only companies making CPUs are Intel and AMD, and Intel has no reason to fold, and AMD has no power in the relationship that would force Microsoft to include support, hell there are already bugs affecting AMD's current hardware in 7 that have never been fixed.

If you want new hardware, use a new OS. If you're not happy with what Microsoft is doing with Windows, don't use Windows. The more people who switch to Linux the more viable an option using Linux will be.

>>52460742
>IT departments
>competent enough to actually do anything at all
Their whole skillset will become redundant when they can no longer click that box in the bottom right to update adobe reader

I don't know of any company that KNOWS it's giving Microsoft their business plans

>>52460844
Depends. Are we talking grand-scale business or paper companies?

>>52460960
shitty IT departments are a universal problem anon

all the people who actually know something about computers learn CS or something and generally go into programming / software development. Fuck knows where the IT guys come from but it sure as fuck isn't a background of knowing anything about computers

>>52461089
So you're admitting you've never worked in an IT department before then?

>>52453132
>implying this would be a bad thing.

Should have happened a long fucking time ago. Late stage XP should have been a universal switch over, not the trickle we ended up getting.

Jewtel in charge of bribing Microsoft to boost their CPU sales. These are the same tactics they used on AMD a decade ago to lock out AMD CPUs from OEMs.

Isn't all the spy/bot stuff in Win 10 removable and/or can be turned off?

I installed 10 on my pure game machine and I've been getting better performance in just about everything from the last few years.

So Nividia must be happy as fuck right now.

AMD devs and execs on suicide watch.

>>52461966
Bill get out

AMD buyout soon, Microsoft will grow larger.

>>52461964
Isn't amd struggling because everyone basically gets to copy their shit for free without being able to be sued?

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>kept ol' 2500k build within arms reach, at dad's place.
>Purchased top of line T420 for $250 last summer
>Currently have i5-4670k itx build.

Any other "old" tech to grab that won't adhere to this BS news?

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>>52461966
Sure it can. You can turn it all off...

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>>52460383
>wanting to be a fat nerd with no life

i know where i am

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>>52463160
why are cats so shit

maybe it's just that cat in particular

>>52453132
But.....alix boards and stuff......

>>52452451

Microsoft is a multi billion dollar corporation, if adding 1000 extra lines of code is impossible then Ill eat my hat.

Can a firewall blocking ALL outgoing connection on W10? I don't want MS to know I watch illegal dolphin porn.

>>52463651
someone asked this question in another w10 thread. some anon who was a network engineer basically said you need a hardware firewall. a software firewall on your computer gets bypassed by the telemetry shit. i don't recall if your routers built in firewall was sufficient or if you needed a dedicated box running pfsense or similar

>>52463651
>>52463836
If you want to block all connections just unplug your Ethernet and/or WiFi card :^)

>>52463871
Yes but I'm more interested if the damn thing has logs and uploads them for later.

>>52463952
probably, yeah. if you're a gamer who can't resist the dx12 meme, dual boot win 10 (for gaming only) and your choice of linux (for everything else). that's what i'm going to end up doing. bit of a pain but fuck it, i'd like at least a shred of privacy.

>>52452726
so... on a scale of 3000, the new bullshit they are adding is at best 100 better and at worst 5?

also, i think this is more of a mobile thing where you want to lower your computer's power use and heat generation...

>>52454829
i despise the changes they made to the ui, unless a third part fixed it and the start menu (i don't have access to a windows 10 system to dick around with seeing if i can make the start menu function and look like 7) ill never use 10 as a main os, hell, im only planning on dual booting 7pro and 10 pro just so when games come out that use dx12 only i can still play them, otherwise im using 7 as general purpose.

>>52461897
no, late stage xp computers didn't have enough ram to properly run 64bit everything, hell vista also had its own ram issues till service pack 2, win 7 was the first 64bit os where the hardware was not an issue anymore.

that said, i can easily see reasons for 32bit oses, not for general consumer use, but i can see the uses.

>>52454766
i still use acdsee pro 8.1 from 2005 because its the best version for my uses, newer versions took out key features that i require.

as for windows 10, i fucking despise that ui, that's my main issue, but not the only.

as for hardware, while i could use an upgrade, i don't require an upgrade.

>>52454904
you cant run 3.1 on new hardware because 3.1 was a cluster fuck of an os.

>>52460746
you have to get rid of the shit userbase first.

>>52460746
>The only companies making CPUs are Intel and AMD
You are a uninformed retarded child.

>>52452573
Anon...really?

>>52452375
don't fucking root for this, Microsoft is the gatekeeper of the far worst Mongol horde that is Apple.

Apple will literally take all of your freedoms and money and exchange it for bullshit like supposed encrypted privacy and "coolness"

>>52467288
>don't fucking root for this
Why? If Microsoft falls, all OEM's will have to ship their devices with another OS, and they won't get OSX from Apple that's one thing that's sure.
One can root they'll pick an actual free OS in place of Windows, but I'm afraid they may get a too sweet-to-pass-up deal from Google, to ship their devices with Android instead.
Now that, would be much worse

>>52457145
The nose is pointing in the wrong direction.

>>52452375
you spend too much time here and on reddit, the real world doesnt give a flying fuck about that.

>>52467316
Microsoft isn't going anywhere you fucking child, and Linux sure as shit is never going to replace it as a desktop OS.

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WOW SUCH A DIFFERENCE

>>52464520
Fuck RAM, CPUs weren't even ready -have you tried using any x64 software on an Athlon64?

x64 support was either so unstable or so irrelevant the original Core processors didn't even support it.

>>52467366
That's the kind of dumb-fucking stupid optimism we need at Microsoft sir. Welcome aboard!

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>>52454804

werks slolwy*
>im poor

pic related

>>52468754
Post wallpaper please.

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>>52469200

Sure thing! Glad to see a miku fan!

>>52469226
Thanks, man.

So it's windows 7 for the next 4-5 years if Haswell?

>>52452261
>Going forward, the company says that using the latest generation processors will always require the latest generation operating system

But...why? Are there any benefits if you don't implement backports?

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>>52467323
Doesn't look so good when flipped...

>>52471182
If you're expecting Microsoft to reverse directions and make another 'good' version of Windows you need to pay more attention. Windows 10 is the last version of Windows. There will never be a good Windows 11.

If you're dissatisfied with Microsoft's decisions its time to start seriously looking at the alternatives.

>>52452530
Thing is, with Linux people usually go with the latest version (apart from people who need/like older/more stable stuff).
Microsoft on the other hand, has always had the problem of making people switch to the newer version (Vista, 8, 10).

>>52452631
>they don't scan e-mails to deliver ads
But they still scan all your mails, especially if you are using their mail services. And they pretty much scan everything you do on 10.

So does Windows 10 send personal data to Microsoft even if I turn everything off in the options? What data does it send?

>>52471713
Keylogs, screenshots, file information, personal data... You can read about it on their website.

>>52471713
Keylogging, telemetry, screenshots anytime you install stuff, and a manifest of your file system.

>>52471454
Maybe because each new version costed money?

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>Windows 10 is released
>nearly just as much backlash as 8 and 8.1
>most of the general public is still sticking with Vista, XP, and 7 to this day
>the only people who have 10 are those who installed it by accident, those who didn't do even the slightest bit of research, or those too afraid to ask for refund

Bravo, Microsoft. You literally have to force people to upgrade now. What a low.

>>52472055
I'd say as big of a factor is that with Linux upgrading to a new version doesn't necessarily mean learning an entirely new UI. If you like XFCE or Gnome 2 you can still use them.

>>52472060
Or those, who bought a new computer.

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>>52472271
Tablets have alternative operating systems to Windows.

Laptops can have their OS's replaced easily.

Anyone who buys a prebuilt deserves Windows 10 on their system (however many handful of peopl that do still buy them)

>>52472339
>causualfags
>installing os

>>52472380
Are these the same casualfags that are decreasing prebuilt sales in favour of building their own using online videos on YouTube.

Contrary to what you may think normies are becoming more intelligent on some fronts.

>>52452261
Getting too aggressive...

>>52472060
I intentionally upgraded to Windows 10 on my tablet and my HTPC. They both run way better than they ever did with Windows 8.

>>52452261
Is 2017 the year of the Linux desktop? I'm ready to take back computers from the normalfags.

>>52472502
Nope, they're not the same type.

Decreasing prebuilt sales are actually caused by people replacing their prebuilts with tablets instead of another prebuilt. Even personally know plenty of people who have replaced their prebuilt with an iPad or Android tablet.

>>52452261
if you listen closely you can hear all global corporations switch to linux and OSX.

>>52473601
I'm disapointed that you didn't say "If you hold the shell up to your ear..." as a precursor.

>>52452261
There is literally no reason to use Windows 7 over 10 anyway though

>>52473919
it's just people with tinfoil hats and muh botnet.
when as long as you don't use a microsoft account everything you do is anonymous, and it's not like microsoft has the server capacity to monitor everything everyone does, and only niggle i've had with running windows 10 since the insider program started was the inconsistency between settings and control panel as microsoft really needs to decided which one they want as both is really annoying.

>>52452261
>Going forward, the company says that using the latest generation processors will always require the latest generation operating system.

This is nonsense. Windows 7 is going to be supported until 2020. It's not for a third party (no matter if it's Intel nor anyone else) to consider an OS obsolete based on their own whim.

>>52474136
It will continue to be updated for platforms microsoft certifies it to run on, but they're not obligated to make sure it still runs on every new hardware configuration that comes out until 2020.

This is gay as shit. How do I go about getting a Win 10 enterprise key?

>>52474136
like a lot of the comments on ars, it's mostly scare tactics to get people to upgrade so microsoft doesn't have give the manpower to updating 7 and 8.1.

>>52474177
/r/microsoftsoftwareswap/
it's about $50 for a enterprise key

>>52474215
Is this just buying a key from some random person and trusting they'll give it to you? Sounds like a great way to get jewed. Have the Jamaicans in Times Square figured out how to scam people online now too?

>>52474294
pretty much, but tons of bought from that site, and seems legit, but it's either that or you use microsoft toolkit for KMS activation.

>he fell for the skylake meme
lol

>>52452261
So if i want to build my own PC I should stick to haswell CPUs. Alright. Microsoft really know how to be a dick.

>>52454876
B-but I like the twelve browser toolbars. They are very comfy!

>>52454867
Then again, Steam doesn't even promote SteamOS as a replacement OS or one-size-fits-all solution. It's meant for a specific niche system.

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>>52458289
haha oh god im sorry but if youre too stupid to simply block microsoft than thats YOUR fault.
>pic related, windows 10 is usable

>>52452261
So how will this work with a VM ?

>>52476915
Teach us your ways, great one.

>>52477029
https://kat.cr/destroy-windows-10-spying-final-version-exe-t11835356.html

have fun mate

>>52476990
you mean install win 10 ON a vm or install a vm on Windows 10?

If win 10 is your host and your want to install vmware on it, that works just fine.

if you want to install windows 10 on a vm, that works too, but is laggy, just as all the other OS'es

>>52467349
they will when they have to buy a new computer every time Microsoft releases a new version

>>52471454
Tons of servers are still running the 2.* branch of the kernel.

>>52467349
m8 the US tech industry lost over $30 billion after the Snowden leaks. A lot of people who know what they're doing (Read: the guys holding the purse strings in many companies) do know and care about that sort of thing.

>>52479773
>Lose 30 billion after Snowden leaks
>Still make Facebook one of the biggest companies in history despite it being just as bad --and only not worse because it doesn't have its own Operating System-- as Microsoft.

'Murica.

Linux (which is my sole OS now) has the same approach in some respects. So does apple.

When the latest USB, Thunderbolt or whatever incompatible hardware comes out I don't expect my laptop to be recalled to have said port or hardware installed to support it.

Why would software be any different? I don't get it.

Literally nothing.

Fuck this world

>>52452497
Bill Gates isn't even in the board of directors...

>>52453132
>The next step is to end the 32-bit operating systems

So, you hate privacy? Did you know that Tails OS is only i386?

>>52453332
What the Fuck

>>52454801
So, Microsoft will push an update they will disable certain features once Windows realizes it's being run in a VM.

Much like Nvidia does with its geforce/GTX cards, forcing you to buy Quadro, Telsa, or pass an argument like

kvm=off

>>52453020
>partially supported in Linux 4.3.3 and 4.4. It doesn't boot 4.1 or earlier.

uhh yeah linux kernel versions are completely different than Windows versions. Only if you could run Windows 7 with a kernel from Windows 10 would this be a valid comparison.

So let me get this straight. Say I buy a fucklake CPU, build a PC all that and then try to install W7 or W8.1. What will happen?

Next step is to turn Windows into a walled garden by removing your ability to install anything not on the Windows Store unless you are registered as a corporation.

>>52477116
>exe
Yes, replace Microsoft's botnet with a chinese one, good "fixing".

>>52481716

>tripcode

filtered

>>52482023

>chinese

nigga, what

>>52481908
It will probably work, but you won't get any support if it doesn't.

>>52482187
I never trust support from MS anyway

>>52481908
>ght. Say I buy a fuckla
probably there won't be Windows 7/8 drivers for your chipset. Time to move to cuckbuntu

>>52471454
>Microsoft on the other hand, has always had the problem of making people switch to the newer version (Vista, 8, 10).
That's because Microsoft keeps making absolute shit.

Coincidentally, every version you named was shit upon release.

>>52482301
No support from Intel or AMD either.

>>52482415
I never got support from them either

>>52482305
>probably there won't be Windows 7/8 drivers for your chipset.
Drivers for what? CPUs don't use drivers.

>>52482495
Fair enough.
>>52482509
>there are no chipset drivers

>>52482553
A motherboard is not a CPU though. MS is not saying "we're dropping support for new motherboards from W7-8"

So has anyone found a way to just block all outbound connections by ANYTHING except ones coming from specific programs you allow? Basically, block any OS modules from making connections--only something like a browser or the like would be allowed through.

>>52482573
New CPUs with have new sockets, and new chipsets to support them. They go hand in hand, really.

>>52482615
It's called a firewall. Hardware if you want to actually do that, software if you just want to feel good.

>>52452261
This can't be real LOL

Holy SHIT LOL

>>52482634
Modern motherboards will function on the default drivers made in 2006 though. So I really doubt with every new CPU you suddenly need new chipset drivers for your mobo.

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you guys know whats funny?
Surfing the modern internet on Win98 is safer than using any modern OS because all the old bugs are long dead and modern shit can't run on 98.

>>52458136
>>52453348
>>52453184
>>52453132
This probably would have happened with windows 8 if Intel didn't release those shitty atom processors years ago for netbooks

>>52482692
I didn't realize PC hardware that could run Win98 could even connect to the internet anymore

>>52482664
I like it. They're alienating themselves for no reason.

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>>52482722
the internet just needs a browser and besides all the flash/java shit can't execute so no worries.

>>52482732
People will go along with it

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Maximum shekels
Just going to keep using windows 8.1 till they stop supporting it. All the stuff Microsoft is doing lately is taking things too far and to be honest I don't really have a reason to use windows at home, got a work laptop I use for important things. Possibly I should start to put that blank partion to work although I doubt linux works with storage spaces. Plus I like madobe yuu and madobe ai even the mascot for windows 10 looks unfriendly.

>>52482744
>the internet just needs a browser
And an ethernet card and TCP/IP vSomething support

>>52482648
That's wrong. Firewalls block INCOMING connections which aren't requested from a device within the network. You'd have to manually add everything related to telemetry to a blocklist in a firewall, which is not what he asked for.

>>52482681
THe new generation of CPUs will have a new generation of motherboards. Kaby Lake won't support 1155, and Zen won't support AM3. Is it possible it'll work? Yeah. Is is probable? Yeah, I would almost bet money on it working. But it might not.

>>52482751
Not as many as you'd think. Every huge "empire" from countries to big corporations tends to overestimate the shit people will tolerate.

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>>52482765
all of which exist in 98, for the card you are looking at vintage late 90's hardware.

>>52482615
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_firewall

>>52482780
What kind of firewall do you have that doesn't have the ability to filter both incoming and outgoing? True, nothing outgoing is commonly blocked, but my firewall supports blocking entire ports ranges and IP ranges on outgoing.

>>52482761
>Just going to keep using windows 8.1 till they stop supporting it.

Anon, judging by this that will be around the end of 2016. What will you do then? Join the botnet?

>>52482819
I don't really trust that firewall progs are blocking all the OS stuff

>>52482848
1. remove ethernet
2. send internet over carrier pigeons

>>52482790
So then how does one even upgrade their CPU without just throwing out their mobo and at that point they might as well just buy a new PC entirely? I thought this was like a sliding scale where mobos worked with CPUs for a long time and the cut off was like a decade or so old. Not EVERY single CPU gen you need a new MOBO for.

>>52482867
Is this a joking "botnet is the future, you can't stop it" type post?

>>52482824
>You'd have to manually add everything related to telemetry to a blocklist in a firewall, which is not what he asked for.
You have no reading comprehension at all.

>>52482824
Not him but we idiots like to have a firewall that assuredly does what we want it to do with little trouble. Nothing extremely intensive like blocking huge port ranges or even knowing what port ranges Windows uses to send its spy data

>>52482910
>supports blocking entire ports ranges and IP ranges on outgoing
Pot, kettle, etc.

>>52471896
>>52471914
Man it is absolutely disgusting how they do all that even after you use the settings to turn it off. I felt like i was hacking the pentagon when I actually uninstalled everything, edited the registry and blocked a range of IP's. The way they are trying to force win10 onto the market is just such an aggressive move, they really don't ive a fuck about privacy of anyone. It's even worse than google at this point.

>>52482828
I'm not anon, but there's always Ubuntu, Fedora, BSD, or Mac OS.

>>52452261


>have 2500k
>*overclocking intensifies*

When I built this thing I joked about it lasting 10 years.
Didnt know MS was gonna force my hand.

>>52482008
I could see them doing that with a fre version of windows, say windows home basic. To install thrid party applications you would need to upgrade to home ultimate or business.

>>52482960
Do you have any idea how much stuff is Windows only?

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>>52483004
he is a Linux user, so no he dosn't

>>52483004
Do you have any idea how much Microsoft is violating their users' privacy?

It's just a question of priorities, I guess.

The future is dual boot. Linux for everything except Windows only stuff and when you swap to Windows 10 you unplug your ethernet cable and do everything offline.

It is the only way.

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>>52483003
and pay a subscription fee

>>52483053
So your solution is just "do without." Become a digital hermit on linux. Either that or stay on Windows and be a corporate slave. Neither of these solutions are real solutions.

>>52483072
Nice straw man.

If you don't have the motivation to learn the open source alternatives to your favorite programs on Windows, then you've already made your choice I guess. Have fun with your subscription-based OS (oh and your subscription based Adobe suite too...)

>>52482929
What kind of firewall come pre-configured for exactly what you want? Or are you and/or he fishing for the batch script that's floating around, purporting to turn off the telemetry. It doesn't by the way. Neither does editing the hosts file, the next favorite for this problem. You have to have something in the middle, and no one sells a solution specifically for this. So you have to configure it yourself.

You're asking for a way to block all the telemetry that microsoft does, without actually having to know what they do. I have no doubt that this solution will appear in time, but it's too early. If you want that functionality now, you will have to build it yourself. In this case, a hardware firewall is the easiest solution that springs to mind. I could be forgetting something however; that's always possible.

>>52483099
>If you don't have the motivation to learn the open source alternatives to your favorite programs on Windows
Please tell me the open source alternative to the 9000 DX-only games on Windows

>>52483115
Some Windows software firewalls are pretty low level. I bet money that even the built-in firewall could be configured to block the telemetry traffic and would actually do so.

>>52483152
I have no citations, but I am sure that I had seen proof that Windows 10 bypassed all software firewalls. Like I said no citation, but I am 100% certain I had seen that proof, and from a reputable source. For the life of me, I can't remember where, though.

>>52483145
>I value my privacy and my self-respect so much that I wouldn't even give up a few games for it.

Give me a break dude. Most Windows games can be played on Linux. Do your research.
https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/toplists/c4p/?v=2016-01

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>>52483195
>Most Windows games can be played on Linux.

>>52483195

>1
>Install CrossOver Trial
>2
>Install Windows Software
>3
>Buy CrossOver
My how quickly we compromise our open source ideals

>>52482873
every other generation nowadays you do.
it's been like this since 2011 for intel and 2013 for AMD.

Just wait for ReactOs

>>52483249
does crossover work with 100% of software?

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>>52483212
with less reliability if it even runs at all because reasons
ib4 code it yourself

>>52483259
This is disgusting. They're not even giving you much of anything with new CPUs. There is no need for them to obsolete hardware this fast.

>>52483271
ReactOS is still XP/2k or are they expanding to vista/7/8?

>>52483273
Highly doubtful. It's probably just a corporate scam judging by the site really.

>>52483291
Vista/7 is still NT based

>>52483294
>Windows shill calls something a corporate scam

lol. If you don't like Crossover, feel free to use Wine for free to get most of it's features. Crossover devs are constantly contributing to Wine anyway.

>>52483273
Of course not.

Does Microsoft view 100% of your personal data?

>>52483300
Just because it's NT based doesn't mean programs that are designed for V/7 will work on ReactOS

>>52467421
That's a benchmark that puts constant stress on the cpu, eg. it is always running at max speed.

The point of speedshift is not that, but it can switch from idle to fullspeed faster.

I hate bending over and getting plowed in the ass with a broom, but what are the alternatives? It's not like Call of Duty is going to play itself.

>>52483321
I'm aware Windows has always been a corporate scam. The problem is there is no good alternative. If there was I would switch in a heartbeat.

>>52483384
I disagree. The problem is you're lazy and unwilling to detach yourself from pop culture for long enough to see the viability of alternatives.

>gotta play muh directx12 games on launch day because it's super important.

>>52483353
of course not. i've had all their spyware disabled for years now.

>>52481805
cept linux drivers are moving pretty quickly. forecast is looking pretty gud for linux, if only bsd machines could finally get hardware accel and full smp baka.

>>52483428
The only alternative for me is something like the aforementioned ReactOS for Windows 7. I value backwards compatibility too much to use Linux.

>>52481805
I've felt a great disturbance in paying customers, as if millions of vdi infrastructures cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Would you use Duckduckgo instead of Google even though their search results are inferior to Google's just because DDG doesn't track you? This is essentially the Windows vs Linux debate now.

>>52483507
Yeah except it turns out Linux has better backward compatibility than Windows. Want to scan your photos with your SCSI Mustek scanner? Good luck finding a driver that works with even Windows XP, let alone 7/8/10, but LInux will handle it no prob. How about a driver for that Sound Blaster Live! card? Fully functional under Linux.

How about DOS and Windows 16-bit applications and games? Linux runs DOSBox just as well as modern versions of Windows, and Wine is great for 16-bit Windows apps, where there's no solution for users of modern Windows versions.

>>52454876
then why are you here faggot

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>>52483428
>>52483689
being this retarded

>>52483689
hardware compatibility has never been a problem with windows.
software compatibility has. Emulation has never and will never have 100% compatibility and THAT is what companies and consumers need. WINE doesn't have 100% compatiblity for games and neither does DOSBox. WINE definitely doesn't have 100% compatibility with all other software either. Can it play my modern games? can it play any games in the future on the release date?
no? then stop suggesting it.

>>52483689
I'm referring to backwards compatibility with software I use, i.e. Windows software. I don't want to have to switch to a different program just because I switch OSes. That ain't gonna work too well if I have to emulate a ton of stuff through WINE just because the software's creators didn't make a Linux version of it.

>>52483780
>literally will not even look at an OS unless it will play his games on release date

Wow. You actually never gave a shit about privacy, you're just a whiner.

>>52483845
windows 7 plays every current game without fail and doesn't spy on me.

i can't be faulted for you being sour over my grapes.

>>52483507
What works on Windows right now that doesn't work on Linux? Not to be insulting but I'm genuinely curious as to how much isn't compatible right now.
Natron+Pitvi will match AfterFX/LightWorks
Blender can about go toe-to-toe with Maya3D
LibreOffice/Calligra are competitive against MS Office
GIMP/Krita are competitive against Photoshop
Ardour (for JACK users) and LMMS is competitive against Ableton/FL
ffmpeg/libav/yukon can beat OBS/xfire/fraps
>>52483780
>>52483689
Yes, but KVM can with a Windows image. Wine is dangerously close to getting full DX9 compliance. The point is that with Linux you have the option to also learn and leverage a lot of programs Windows does not offer. There's seriously nothing wrong with that. If you solely use an OS to play games then maybe you should look into getting a console instead.

>>52453132
32-bit will only go away once 128-bit arrives (just like 16-bit only went away completely with 64-bit), which may not happen in our lifetime.

>>52453332

tl;dr

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>>52483869

>doesn't spy on me

>>52483876
>If you solely use an OS to play games then maybe you should look into getting a console instead.
If you posted this on /v/ you would get a laugh and a half from angry master racers. You don't seem to realize how inferior console versions of games are to the PC versions.

>>52483876
see >>52483798
> I don't want to have to switch to a different program just because I switch OSes.

I'm aware that there are many alternatives that do the same thing but I do not wish to use different software, but rather I want the same software only on Linux. Plus my experience with Linux-focused software is it focuses far too much on written commands rather than having a simple GUI with everything spelled out. I don't like that type of software design since I was not raised on it.

>>52467349
This. Tell a hundred of the people in your area, the vast majority will go, "That won't mess up my Facebook, will it?"

>>52484030
What if I told them "It will allow Facebook to spy on you more effectively. So actually it will help your facebook!"

>>52483901
PRISM isn't spying in the way that this W10 telemetry shit is and there's different motivations behind the two. I'm certainly not defending PRISM, but this telemetry shit is bulk collection for M$ to datamine and sell. PRISM is targeted spying enforced by the companies, ordered by the US government. Which you don't need to worry about in practice, only in theory and principle. Windows is without a doubt backdoored since long ago.

W10 telemetry you have to worry about on a practical level because it's bulk-data collection that happens to everybody without any prompt (aside from the ToS) and for profit purposes. PRISM *can* spy on you, W10 *will* and does spy on you. Again, I'm not defending any of them, but unless you're also bugging the fuck out over the HDD firmware malware the government has put into HDDs before they even ship out, PRISM spying isn't worth worrying about compared to the telemetry from M$.

>>52483979
Fair enough. I understand that a lot of people on /g/ and pcmr saturate their e-peens with overly expensive hardware just to play video games which are superior to consoles, which is admirable. It still stands that you don't have to do much to make it work in Linux too.

>>52484007
Understandable also. Different tools also use different models for operation, e.g. non-linear or linear editing. I switched 10-12 years ago, so it's probably pretty easy for me to say that Linux software is more comparable to Windows software than you think. Ports from Windows seldom happen; It's unfortunate that it works that way, but since a lot of things are migrating to the cloud, including MS Office and text editors, would that influence your decision.

>>52483882
IA-32 will go away when it becomes cost effective to replace the hardware and software for millions of machines that will never need a >4GB working set (so probably never). Hell, you can find still find a calculator using an 8-bit Z80 in practically every high school kid's backpack.

>>52484137
>It's unfortunate that it works that way, but since a lot of things are migrating to the cloud, including MS Office and text editors, would that influence your decision.
Well Office is one situation where I just use open source stuff. LibreOffice seems mostly equivalent to MS Office from what I remember of MS Office (I used it in the past but no more).

I do not like cloud type software at all since the corporation has more control over the software than you do. And I realize that unfortunately Windows is moving in this direction itself. I was just hoping it would be a slower pace than they seem to have adopted. It appears MS is committed to an endgame future where if you don't have an Internet connection and pay them a monthly fee, your PC won't boot at all--to no advantage of the consumer obviously.

>>52476915
>living in germanistan
>having any privacy at all
LOL

>log onto Windows 10 and start typing in Chrome
>no keypresses show up
>they show up slow and intermittent
>on a machine built in November 2015
>once all the services have started running it types normal speed again

What is this shit

>>52482692
>Surfing the modern internet on Win98
Good luck with the browsers that support the modern web

>>52484269
I'm also particularly convinced that the first alternative people will reach for is OS X once cloud integration of most apps is complete.

I'm also sure that Microsoft isn't committed to OS development any longer, but I don't know why they are fighting so hard to fight Google in the cloud; it will be inevitable that Google or Apple will win.

>>52484375
What? That's perfectly fucking normal if you start doing shit while the computer's still loading on start-up. I have that happen all the time on Windows 7.

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winbabbies BTFO

>>52484483
Shouldn't be happening with an ssd ob 10 though. Nothing's using too many resources, ram and cpu both under 15% so what gives.

>>52453132
you know it's a windows thread when someone mentions 64bit as if it's still a new thing

literally the only 32bit programs i have on my computer is wine and the few old windows games i run with it

>>52478817
it's still maintained, y'know

longterm:     2.6.32.69     2015-12-05

So what happens here is that if I install 8.1 on a skylake, I won't be getting updates for it but somehow updates are available if I, either use an older cpu or upgrade to win10?

>>52461529

little too close to home, buddy?

>2009
>Install Windows 7 knowing it will be supported until 2020
>2016
>Find out its only really supported as long as you don't upgrade your hardware.

First came the bullshit upgrade campaign that silently downloaded several gigs onto your computer without asking for permission with the shitty prompt, then came the mandatory updates with no release notes and ads in your start menu. Now this bullshit. Can you imagine the shit storm if Canonical suddenly came out and said they weren't going to back port new hardware support to LTS?

They better get their shit together before the 8.1 EOL in 2013 or lots of die hard windows guys are going to jump ship. Time to start getting comfy with Mac OS because Linux/BSD will still suck on the desktop.

>Hold on to your Macbooks
FTFY

>>52460844
>Their whole skillset will become redundant when they can no longer click that box in the bottom right to update adobe reader

That's not a skillset. That's a boomer who thinks he knows how to fix computers.

Lots of IT departments, including mine modify the Adobe reader installer to disable update notifications and have something like SCCM or PDQ Deploy to deploy newer versions over the network.

>>52484375

>his machine isn't COMPLETELY usable <15 seconds after exiting BIOS on a coldboot

>day in the life of a windows user

>>52484956
Nah, they'll still be able to load Google Ultron, so that's only half their skillset at most.

>>52484375

You have hardware problems. I don't see this on my first gen i7 that's going on 6 years old.

>>52483276
maybe you should your own games faggot.

then you'd be doing at least something semi productive /v/ faggot

>>52484971

>day in the life of a windows user

No, that's a day in the life of a poorfag with a computer cobbled together with damaged eBay parts. Has nothing to do with the OS.

>>52452261
Welcome to Windows.

We warned you
>First they ignore you
>Then they laugh at you
>Then they fight you

Guys, we have been saying this shit all along, the only thing I'm sad about is that it didn't happen quick enough

>>52483195

>Crossover

I bought that shit once thinking I could play WoW on Linux. It didn't work.

Jesus christ, Why are they so fucking desperate to lock people in to Windows 10?

100% sign that shit is NSA controlled. Hopefully someone will make a mod of the cpu that bypasses this retarded shit.

>>52485234
I think this might be the most retarded post on 4chan right now.

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>>52485234
>Hopefully someone will make a mod of the cpu that bypasses this retarded shit.
yah blew it

Willl Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB sidestep spyware?

why does a processor need "support"? as long as the instructions being sent to it are ones that it supports, what more do you need? is windows 10 going to use some new instruction set and these processors are only compatible with that one or something?

>>52485643
>why does it need support
>as long as its supported it'll work

The retards are out strong tonight.

>>52485623

Hope you have an enterprise agreement because your activation crack will have spyware.

Everyone in this thread is a retard. New versions of Windows will still support old hardware. The text quoted by OP says something completely different than his claim.

>>52485679
these days support means ongoing and software. having comparability with the same instructions the vast majority of processors have always had isn't support, that's a standard feature. business already hates it when they're forced to update or break their own software ecosystems with new windows versions, how are they going to react when the software they depend on just doesn't work on new hardware because "baww backwards compatibility is hard and expensive" (says one of the richest companies in the world)

I seriously don't understand how most of you people put down windows because of the spyware or use windows and "disable" the spyware. You will go so far as to trust some random person's tool on the internet to turn off what you think is all of the botnet? If you truly value your freedom, why are you not using another OS?

It's like supporting a manufacturer by buying a different product when another of their product is literally killing people and they just cover it up and ignore it.
>No, don't buy a, it's actually going to electrocute you but b is a pretty good product.

Or even if your ex has keys to your apartment. To keep them out you wouldn't just put tape over the lock or put up a sign, you would change the damn locks.

If you know they have one type of spyware, why are you trusting them to assume they don't have another?

>>52454766
because there literally has not been a CPU worth buying since the 2500k
>paying out the ass for %10 better performance at best

>>52485785
muh games

>>52454829
how about those ads, find anything you like?

>>52482873
>Not EVERY single CPU gen you need a new MOBO for

lmao you have a lot to learn about intelcucks

>>52459554
>Stage is empty
>People start speaking
>aroma of sweaty balls envelops the room
>PROOOOCEESSSOOOOORSSS!

>>52472060
I am kind of considering going to Windows 10 since from what I have seen there seem to be plenty of 3rd party things that purport to torpedo all of Microsoft's bullshit.

That said, I don't know how effective this shit is, so until I know for sure that there's a way for me to stop it from sending any info(and disable windows defender and windows update) I'm not touching it.

>>52485785
Adobe programs

Muh game

>>52485745
>New versions of Windows will still support old hardware.
Anon. That isn't the problem. The problem is that old versions of Windows will not support new hardware. No one gives a fuck about new versions of Windows, everyone is trying their best to avoid them except normies

>>52486924
>Trusting "3rd party things"

>>52452261
if you call us "gentoomen" why do you care about windows?

>>52471713
>>52471896 and >>52471914 are lying. Data of that kind is only sent if the relevant options are turned on, or if Telemetry is otherwise set to "Full" (beta "Insider" versions only).

A manifest of Program Files is taken at Basic telemetry level, for Windows Update purposes i.e. it needs to know if you have things installed that will bluescreen when it updates, so it can uninstall them first. (If you have software that uses kernel-mode drivers that live in Program Files and aren't updated regularly with the kernel SDK, that's pretty much like using out-of-tree drivers in Linux: now unsupported.)

>>52485756
Anon, you need to think like a corporation here.

It isn't "Intel puts out new CPU and since it uses well established instruction sets known to work well on PCs for years, it works fine with Windows 7 and 8.1 even though MS says it will not be officially supported with those OSes."

Instead it's "MS pays Intel to make sure fucklake is broken on Win7 and 8.1 to force people to downgrade to Win10 so that once most people are on 10 they can do whatever they want since updates are forced and no one can use Windows without being spied on."

This is how things work in the corporate world.

>>52487171
>it needs to know if you have things installed that will bluescreen when it updates, so it can uninstall them first.
What gives Windows the right to uinstall my fucking programs?

>>52481905
No, they aren't. They're worse: Linux kernel internal ABIs are not guaranteed to be stable between minor versions, so out-of-tree drivers must always be recompiled against newer kernels before upgrades. (Yes, this is partly why your Arch may break with proprietary graphics drivers.)

Most Windows kernel internal ABIs are stable, or at least, have been from Vista until now.

If there's one thing Windows does insanely well, it's backwards compatibility. Probably too well.

>>52487195
You make me not want to use Linux

>>52452261
FUCK YOU MICROSOFT

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>>52487171

Alright, here have your >(you). It's on the house kid, you at least tried.

D E S I G N A T E D

>>52452261
This makes sense from a monetary perspective.

Think about it, apple only has a very limited ranger of hardware to test their OS on, MS has to test their OS on thousands of different configurations for every update for every OS to ensure compatibility.

It would save money to upgrade everyone to 10 and then just lay off thousands of testers.

>>52487341
They already laid off a big chunk of QA, which is why quite a few of their recent updates have caused big problems, especially on servers.

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-remove-support-usb-based-windows-7-installation-platform-specs/

Has anyone even tried installing Win7 on a new Skylake PC? Apparently you can't do it without a DVD drive and a PS/2 port on your mobo since USB mouse/KB won't work. It seems like Win7 is fast being "phased out" by other companies who have an interest in helping MS force everyone to W10.

>>52487417
So they have an OS that forces updates on people as soon as said updates get pushed and then they botch the updates? Are you kidding me?

>>52452261
microsofts' desperation to get people on windows 10 is getting pretty disturbing

i mean, i can understand why they'd want fewer systems to support, but this is getting silly

>>52487210
just so you know, 'stable' in this context means 'unchanging'/'rarely changing', not 'works well'

this only affects third party kernel modules, of which there are typically very few that people use, and in most cases recompiling against new kernels is handled by your distribution for you, or with dkms (also automatic)

my main desktop only has one 3rd party module installed (vhba)

>>52487195
How many out-of-tree drivers do Linux users use? I only use one - the NVIDIA proprietary driver, and recompiling the relevant parts is a cinch.

>>52452261
Isn't this kind of shit very illegal?

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If I upgrade one of my Win7 licenses to Win10 and download Win10 install media, will I be able to install Win10 to completely new pc later? I read there's no key for upgraded Win10, but only ones that are sold after free upgrade period.

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>31% of steam users have windows 10 (64bit)
>Linux not even 1% combined

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>>52490771
It's still not good enough for your average normie that plays vidya.
They just want to go on youtube and look for a song without worrying about proprietary codecs and play gaymes that will work without being yelled at for having wrong drivers.
And the drivers themselves are pretty bad, still lagging behind windows by a good margin.

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>>52453100
and then they quickly exit when they have to update a driver or something breaks and cant fix it.

>>52491457
not him, but doesn't linux automatically download all needed drivers? i haven't used linux tho, but planning to.

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>>52491519
It doesn't because licensing.
Hence why most distros don't include shit like h.264,aac and mp3 codecs.

>>52491651
Linux Mint.