>Next generation processors, including Intel's "Kaby Lake", Qualcomm's 8996 (branded as Snapdragon 820), and AMD's "Bristol Ridge" APUs (which will use the company's Excavator architecture, not its brand new Zen arch) will only be supported on Windows 10. Going forward, the company says that using the latest generation processors will always require the latest generation operating system.
Hold to your Thinkpads, Gentoomen. Only old hardware will be supported on old Windows versions.
It's probably second nature to them, they've been doing it forever. There's something else at play here, Bill Gates is probably spending his fortune to make sure Windows 10 takes over before he dies lol
>Industry analyst Patrick Moorhead of Moor Insights & Strategy suggests that for this reason the move may prove popular with the hardware companies. Cutting off support for old software when releasing new hardware is rarely popular, even though this legacy support has a substantial cost for hardware companies, with Moorhead suggesting that as much as a third of hardware company resources were spent on this. With Microsoft making the decision, it shifts the blame from any individual hardware, allowing the hardware companies to reap the savings, while Microsoft shoulders the blame.
most likely they're sucking up to hardware vendors.
>Microsoft's Terry Myerson, Executive Vice President, Windows and Devices Group, was a little less direct about this, but made similar implications. He told us that change was driven by a desire to preserve quality. Ensuring high quality support for Skylake on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 took a "large investment," and future processor innovations will demand continued investment. Microsoft sees itself as responsible for the ongoing system quality of Windows systems—even though parts of the Windows experience is dependent on third-party contributions—and spending resources to update old operating systems makes that quality hard to achieve. Tying the newest silicon to the newest platform greatly reduces this complexity for the entire PC ecosystem.
or cut the cost of support. or both
Yeah, exactly what I was suspecting. Micro and soft is noticing people becoming wary of Windows 10 so they're trying their earnest to leave people out of other options than Windows 10
you can run Windows 7 on Sky\Kaby lake or next AMD CPU.
People run Windows 7 or Skylake right now and for them nothing will change.
But if this CPU is doing something radical or needs specific, not generic, fixes, like new power states for Skylake, update won't be released for W7\8.
except they don't scan e-mails to deliver ads or sell info to 3rd party.
I think they're too aggressive, it might cost them their small server segment, new MS is all about the cloud, but I don't know if they want to sacrifice enterprise to the cloud.
btw W10 is a success, MS is profitable and most shareholders are happy with Salty Nutella.
Only on Windows 10.
There;s a lot of FUD, but this isn't one.
You're getting this backwards.
Old Windows versions (<10) are no longer being actively developed in any way whatsover.
Windows 7 and 8.1 will be pulled from all OEM sales completely in October 2016, and they're not suitable for new hardware.
Windows Vista (SP2, until April 2017) and Windows 7 (SP1, until January 2020) are already in extended support, like XP was until 2014 - which means ONLY important->critical security updates.
Windows 8.1 is currently slated to end mainstream support in January 2018 and EOL in 2023, but with only a few exceptions, only security updates are being added now - all new development is taking place on the 10.x rolling-release line, with periodic snapshot backports of security releases to the slower-updating LTSB (long-term support base) version for enterprises.
They want you to upgrade because you're running the equivalent of Debian oldoldstable - which, surprise, wouldn't support new hardware either, without backports.
AMD znver1 ("Zen") is partially supported in Linux 4.3.3 and 4.4. It doesn't boot 4.1 or earlier. (It doesn't boot untethered at all, yet: the tape-out is not yet complete, it is undergoing validation.)
>Microsoft will be bankrupt by then.
This is not a repeat from 1995, 1999, 2001, 2005, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2015 or all the other years people have said M$ will go bankrupt.
Much like the year of the linux desktop
The next step is to end the 32-bit operating systems and focus only on 64-bit.
I will always buy Microsoft Windows™ because the future starts now™. Microsoft also pioneers innovative new technologies like DirectX™, Office™, and the highest quality operating system to ever grace computers.
When I boot up with a brand new computer running Microsoft Windows™ with the latest Z chipset powered by Intel™ and latest Nvidia™ graphics, I can enjoy the games the way they where meant to be played™. Microsoft™ also pioneers in the gaming field with its latest Xbox™ console to allow gamers to play on their big screens with family and friends.
Microsoft Windows™ is also very secure. It's the most secure operating system on the planet. It's harden against NSA probes, tested by highly trained and experienced programming engineers to have ever graced this planet. With such innovative security technologies like UAC, Defender, Security Essentials, BitLocker, and Windows™ Firewall you can ensure all your sensitive data is secured and you're safe on the internet. Microsoft™ most advanced, and dare say, the most advance web browser on the market, Edge™, has decoupled addon support, like flash, to ensure maximum user safety when browsing the web. You can ensure Microsoft™ keeps you safe from the NSA.
At this point in time there's really no reasons to consider Linux. I tried once. It caused my Nvidia™ graphics to overheat so much due to its poor quality, novice programmed, open source drivers that it exploded and nearly burnt down my house.
It's quite clear that OPs a Linux shill trying to convince you to settle on something less than the optimal experience with Windows™. Windows™ is the only real way to play games or do anything productive. We've seen that they offer incredible libraries for software developers like Visual Studio and Microsoft C++ Compiler. He is probably too poor to afford the Microsoft Windows™ experience and can not afford to play any games.
Don't be a poor gamer with bad security and no drivers. The Future Starts Now™ with Microsoft Windows™
well no, I'm already on Windows 10 Pro, it's better than 7 or 8.1. You just off the privacy related stuff and they get basically no info from you.
Most of the kiddies pretending to complain about 10 are using 7 or 8 with auto-update configured so they probably already have all the telemetry crap installed and running anyway.
dude don't bother, this website is mostly populated by 12 year old windows XP users from third world countries using a PC their parents bought out of the back of a magazine with twelve browser toolbars preinstalled.
if you wanted you could run windows 3.1 on skylake, as x86 will always be backwards compatible, and i really doubt that they'd be able to write enough in the microcode to purposefully block operating system versions, and if anything it'd come off as an anti-trust issue, due to CPU manufacturers working closely with microsoft to make sure windows is the only operating system.
Microsoft is such a great troll company
They just have to put one little press statement out there that they can easily take back at any time
And everyone goes apeshit about some stupid thing until the next one.
It's not just telemetry putting me off. I find the multiple options menus and inconsistent UI a real pain in the ass.
I keep playing around with it in a VM but I just can't stand it.
>M$ security updates
>Windows in general
Who gives a fuck? I can play dota and my spreadsheets on Arch and have vga pass-through working for dark souls in a win7 qemu, literately nothing for me from mircrosoft's sales reps
>bunch of blank statements and implications
>Windows 10 Pro
>You just off the privacy related stuff and they get basically no info from you
kek, just say that you don't care m8 we won't judge you
I'm not sure LTSB lets you stop everything either. I'm afraid it's still partly placebo. Can you confirm or deny?
HE MADE ONE MISTAKE PEOPLE.
ONE BAD MISTAKE.
Hitler made a mistake and we all forgave him. Petition to bring back Ballmer anyone?
Does this mean 32-bit is officially dead? We wont' have to deal with software companies coming upw ith excuses for why they don't compile to x64.
I see all this shit happening and all it makes me think is that enterprise will inevitably ditch Windows 7/XP for employee desktop use to move to Linux, greater increasing the demmand for quality features, promoting development and causing Linux to finally get better support.
Holy shit, could this be the fabled year the /g/entoomen foretold of?
Microsoft's getting really desperate now. I dunno how you can be so fucking paranoid and desperate when you enjoy such overwhelming market dominance. I don't care what they say, I'll be sticking with Windows 7 even if I have to hack some third party fix onto the ISO to get it to work with new processors. Fuck Microsoft, fuck Windows 10, and fuck Skylake too. Downgrade from Broadwell, what a joke.
You know I bet this whole mess is because Intel called up Microsoft and blamed Windows for their recent processor bug.
They'll fold on that deal.
At least one of them will see an untapped market of non-win10 users.
Also, how the fuck can you make a processor only work on one OS? Go superfucking secret on the instruction set?
>it's literally easier to learn xubuntu from windows 7 than it is to learn 8 or 10
on the one hand, you might be on to something, but on the other hand, the manufacturers will still ship the latest windows on their prebuilts for the foreseeable future, so that would require businesses to either request it, which I don't see happening, or install it themselves, which I also don't see happening
At least one of whom? The only companies making CPUs are Intel and AMD, and Intel has no reason to fold, and AMD has no power in the relationship that would force Microsoft to include support, hell there are already bugs affecting AMD's current hardware in 7 that have never been fixed.
If you want new hardware, use a new OS. If you're not happy with what Microsoft is doing with Windows, don't use Windows. The more people who switch to Linux the more viable an option using Linux will be.
>competent enough to actually do anything at all
Their whole skillset will become redundant when they can no longer click that box in the bottom right to update adobe reader
I don't know of any company that KNOWS it's giving Microsoft their business plans
shitty IT departments are a universal problem anon
all the people who actually know something about computers learn CS or something and generally go into programming / software development. Fuck knows where the IT guys come from but it sure as fuck isn't a background of knowing anything about computers
Isn't all the spy/bot stuff in Win 10 removable and/or can be turned off?
I installed 10 on my pure game machine and I've been getting better performance in just about everything from the last few years.
>kept ol' 2500k build within arms reach, at dad's place.
>Purchased top of line T420 for $250 last summer
>Currently have i5-4670k itx build.
Any other "old" tech to grab that won't adhere to this BS news?
>wanting to be a fat nerd with no life
i know where i am
why are cats so shit
maybe it's just that cat in particular
someone asked this question in another w10 thread. some anon who was a network engineer basically said you need a hardware firewall. a software firewall on your computer gets bypassed by the telemetry shit. i don't recall if your routers built in firewall was sufficient or if you needed a dedicated box running pfsense or similar
probably, yeah. if you're a gamer who can't resist the dx12 meme, dual boot win 10 (for gaming only) and your choice of linux (for everything else). that's what i'm going to end up doing. bit of a pain but fuck it, i'd like at least a shred of privacy.
so... on a scale of 3000, the new bullshit they are adding is at best 100 better and at worst 5?
also, i think this is more of a mobile thing where you want to lower your computer's power use and heat generation...
i despise the changes they made to the ui, unless a third part fixed it and the start menu (i don't have access to a windows 10 system to dick around with seeing if i can make the start menu function and look like 7) ill never use 10 as a main os, hell, im only planning on dual booting 7pro and 10 pro just so when games come out that use dx12 only i can still play them, otherwise im using 7 as general purpose.
no, late stage xp computers didn't have enough ram to properly run 64bit everything, hell vista also had its own ram issues till service pack 2, win 7 was the first 64bit os where the hardware was not an issue anymore.
that said, i can easily see reasons for 32bit oses, not for general consumer use, but i can see the uses.
i still use acdsee pro 8.1 from 2005 because its the best version for my uses, newer versions took out key features that i require.
as for windows 10, i fucking despise that ui, that's my main issue, but not the only.
as for hardware, while i could use an upgrade, i don't require an upgrade.
don't fucking root for this, Microsoft is the gatekeeper of the far worst Mongol horde that is Apple.
Apple will literally take all of your freedoms and money and exchange it for bullshit like supposed encrypted privacy and "coolness"
>don't fucking root for this
Why? If Microsoft falls, all OEM's will have to ship their devices with another OS, and they won't get OSX from Apple that's one thing that's sure.
One can root they'll pick an actual free OS in place of Windows, but I'm afraid they may get a too sweet-to-pass-up deal from Google, to ship their devices with Android instead.
Now that, would be much worse
Fuck RAM, CPUs weren't even ready -have you tried using any x64 software on an Athlon64?
x64 support was either so unstable or so irrelevant the original Core processors didn't even support it.
Sure thing! Glad to see a miku fan!
>Going forward, the company says that using the latest generation processors will always require the latest generation operating system
But...why? Are there any benefits if you don't implement backports?
If you're expecting Microsoft to reverse directions and make another 'good' version of Windows you need to pay more attention. Windows 10 is the last version of Windows. There will never be a good Windows 11.
If you're dissatisfied with Microsoft's decisions its time to start seriously looking at the alternatives.
Thing is, with Linux people usually go with the latest version (apart from people who need/like older/more stable stuff).
Microsoft on the other hand, has always had the problem of making people switch to the newer version (Vista, 8, 10).
>Windows 10 is released
>nearly just as much backlash as 8 and 8.1
>most of the general public is still sticking with Vista, XP, and 7 to this day
>the only people who have 10 are those who installed it by accident, those who didn't do even the slightest bit of research, or those too afraid to ask for refund
Bravo, Microsoft. You literally have to force people to upgrade now. What a low.
I'd say as big of a factor is that with Linux upgrading to a new version doesn't necessarily mean learning an entirely new UI. If you like XFCE or Gnome 2 you can still use them.
Tablets have alternative operating systems to Windows.
Laptops can have their OS's replaced easily.
Anyone who buys a prebuilt deserves Windows 10 on their system (however many handful of peopl that do still buy them)
Are these the same casualfags that are decreasing prebuilt sales in favour of building their own using online videos on YouTube.
Contrary to what you may think normies are becoming more intelligent on some fronts.
Nope, they're not the same type.
Decreasing prebuilt sales are actually caused by people replacing their prebuilts with tablets instead of another prebuilt. Even personally know plenty of people who have replaced their prebuilt with an iPad or Android tablet.
it's just people with tinfoil hats and muh botnet.
when as long as you don't use a microsoft account everything you do is anonymous, and it's not like microsoft has the server capacity to monitor everything everyone does, and only niggle i've had with running windows 10 since the insider program started was the inconsistency between settings and control panel as microsoft really needs to decided which one they want as both is really annoying.
>Going forward, the company says that using the latest generation processors will always require the latest generation operating system.
This is nonsense. Windows 7 is going to be supported until 2020. It's not for a third party (no matter if it's Intel nor anyone else) to consider an OS obsolete based on their own whim.
It will continue to be updated for platforms microsoft certifies it to run on, but they're not obligated to make sure it still runs on every new hardware configuration that comes out until 2020.
This is gay as shit. How do I go about getting a Win 10 enterprise key?
Is this just buying a key from some random person and trusting they'll give it to you? Sounds like a great way to get jewed. Have the Jamaicans in Times Square figured out how to scam people online now too?
B-but I like the twelve browser toolbars. They are very comfy!
Then again, Steam doesn't even promote SteamOS as a replacement OS or one-size-fits-all solution. It's meant for a specific niche system.
haha oh god im sorry but if youre too stupid to simply block microsoft than thats YOUR fault.
>pic related, windows 10 is usable
you mean install win 10 ON a vm or install a vm on Windows 10?
If win 10 is your host and your want to install vmware on it, that works just fine.
if you want to install windows 10 on a vm, that works too, but is laggy, just as all the other OS'es
m8 the US tech industry lost over $30 billion after the Snowden leaks. A lot of people who know what they're doing (Read: the guys holding the purse strings in many companies) do know and care about that sort of thing.
>Lose 30 billion after Snowden leaks
>Still make Facebook one of the biggest companies in history despite it being just as bad --and only not worse because it doesn't have its own Operating System-- as Microsoft.
Linux (which is my sole OS now) has the same approach in some respects. So does apple.
When the latest USB, Thunderbolt or whatever incompatible hardware comes out I don't expect my laptop to be recalled to have said port or hardware installed to support it.
Why would software be any different? I don't get it.
So, Microsoft will push an update they will disable certain features once Windows realizes it's being run in a VM.
Much like Nvidia does with its geforce/GTX cards, forcing you to buy Quadro, Telsa, or pass an argument likekvm=off
>partially supported in Linux 4.3.3 and 4.4. It doesn't boot 4.1 or earlier.
uhh yeah linux kernel versions are completely different than Windows versions. Only if you could run Windows 7 with a kernel from Windows 10 would this be a valid comparison.
>Microsoft on the other hand, has always had the problem of making people switch to the newer version (Vista, 8, 10).
That's because Microsoft keeps making absolute shit.
Coincidentally, every version you named was shit upon release.
So has anyone found a way to just block all outbound connections by ANYTHING except ones coming from specific programs you allow? Basically, block any OS modules from making connections--only something like a browser or the like would be allowed through.
you guys know whats funny?
Surfing the modern internet on Win98 is safer than using any modern OS because all the old bugs are long dead and modern shit can't run on 98.
the internet just needs a browser and besides all the flash/java shit can't execute so no worries.
Just going to keep using windows 8.1 till they stop supporting it. All the stuff Microsoft is doing lately is taking things too far and to be honest I don't really have a reason to use windows at home, got a work laptop I use for important things. Possibly I should start to put that blank partion to work although I doubt linux works with storage spaces. Plus I like madobe yuu and madobe ai even the mascot for windows 10 looks unfriendly.
That's wrong. Firewalls block INCOMING connections which aren't requested from a device within the network. You'd have to manually add everything related to telemetry to a blocklist in a firewall, which is not what he asked for.
THe new generation of CPUs will have a new generation of motherboards. Kaby Lake won't support 1155, and Zen won't support AM3. Is it possible it'll work? Yeah. Is is probable? Yeah, I would almost bet money on it working. But it might not.
all of which exist in 98, for the card you are looking at vintage late 90's hardware.
What kind of firewall do you have that doesn't have the ability to filter both incoming and outgoing? True, nothing outgoing is commonly blocked, but my firewall supports blocking entire ports ranges and IP ranges on outgoing.
So then how does one even upgrade their CPU without just throwing out their mobo and at that point they might as well just buy a new PC entirely? I thought this was like a sliding scale where mobos worked with CPUs for a long time and the cut off was like a decade or so old. Not EVERY single CPU gen you need a new MOBO for.
Not him but we idiots like to have a firewall that assuredly does what we want it to do with little trouble. Nothing extremely intensive like blocking huge port ranges or even knowing what port ranges Windows uses to send its spy data
Man it is absolutely disgusting how they do all that even after you use the settings to turn it off. I felt like i was hacking the pentagon when I actually uninstalled everything, edited the registry and blocked a range of IP's. The way they are trying to force win10 onto the market is just such an aggressive move, they really don't ive a fuck about privacy of anyone. It's even worse than google at this point.
he is a Linux user, so no he dosn't
Nice straw man.
If you don't have the motivation to learn the open source alternatives to your favorite programs on Windows, then you've already made your choice I guess. Have fun with your subscription-based OS (oh and your subscription based Adobe suite too...)
What kind of firewall come pre-configured for exactly what you want? Or are you and/or he fishing for the batch script that's floating around, purporting to turn off the telemetry. It doesn't by the way. Neither does editing the hosts file, the next favorite for this problem. You have to have something in the middle, and no one sells a solution specifically for this. So you have to configure it yourself.
You're asking for a way to block all the telemetry that microsoft does, without actually having to know what they do. I have no doubt that this solution will appear in time, but it's too early. If you want that functionality now, you will have to build it yourself. In this case, a hardware firewall is the easiest solution that springs to mind. I could be forgetting something however; that's always possible.
>If you don't have the motivation to learn the open source alternatives to your favorite programs on Windows
Please tell me the open source alternative to the 9000 DX-only games on Windows
I have no citations, but I am sure that I had seen proof that Windows 10 bypassed all software firewalls. Like I said no citation, but I am 100% certain I had seen that proof, and from a reputable source. For the life of me, I can't remember where, though.
>I value my privacy and my self-respect so much that I wouldn't even give up a few games for it.
Give me a break dude. Most Windows games can be played on Linux. Do your research.
>Most Windows games can be played on Linux.
with less reliability if it even runs at all because reasons
ib4 code it yourself
>Windows shill calls something a corporate scam
lol. If you don't like Crossover, feel free to use Wine for free to get most of it's features. Crossover devs are constantly contributing to Wine anyway.
That's a benchmark that puts constant stress on the cpu, eg. it is always running at max speed.
The point of speedshift is not that, but it can switch from idle to fullspeed faster.
I disagree. The problem is you're lazy and unwilling to detach yourself from pop culture for long enough to see the viability of alternatives.
>gotta play muh directx12 games on launch day because it's super important.
Would you use Duckduckgo instead of Google even though their search results are inferior to Google's just because DDG doesn't track you? This is essentially the Windows vs Linux debate now.
Yeah except it turns out Linux has better backward compatibility than Windows. Want to scan your photos with your SCSI Mustek scanner? Good luck finding a driver that works with even Windows XP, let alone 7/8/10, but LInux will handle it no prob. How about a driver for that Sound Blaster Live! card? Fully functional under Linux.
How about DOS and Windows 16-bit applications and games? Linux runs DOSBox just as well as modern versions of Windows, and Wine is great for 16-bit Windows apps, where there's no solution for users of modern Windows versions.
hardware compatibility has never been a problem with windows.
software compatibility has. Emulation has never and will never have 100% compatibility and THAT is what companies and consumers need. WINE doesn't have 100% compatiblity for games and neither does DOSBox. WINE definitely doesn't have 100% compatibility with all other software either. Can it play my modern games? can it play any games in the future on the release date?
no? then stop suggesting it.
I'm referring to backwards compatibility with software I use, i.e. Windows software. I don't want to have to switch to a different program just because I switch OSes. That ain't gonna work too well if I have to emulate a ton of stuff through WINE just because the software's creators didn't make a Linux version of it.
What works on Windows right now that doesn't work on Linux? Not to be insulting but I'm genuinely curious as to how much isn't compatible right now.
Natron+Pitvi will match AfterFX/LightWorks
Blender can about go toe-to-toe with Maya3D
LibreOffice/Calligra are competitive against MS Office
GIMP/Krita are competitive against Photoshop
Ardour (for JACK users) and LMMS is competitive against Ableton/FL
ffmpeg/libav/yukon can beat OBS/xfire/fraps
Yes, but KVM can with a Windows image. Wine is dangerously close to getting full DX9 compliance. The point is that with Linux you have the option to also learn and leverage a lot of programs Windows does not offer. There's seriously nothing wrong with that. If you solely use an OS to play games then maybe you should look into getting a console instead.
>If you solely use an OS to play games then maybe you should look into getting a console instead.
If you posted this on /v/ you would get a laugh and a half from angry master racers. You don't seem to realize how inferior console versions of games are to the PC versions.
> I don't want to have to switch to a different program just because I switch OSes.
I'm aware that there are many alternatives that do the same thing but I do not wish to use different software, but rather I want the same software only on Linux. Plus my experience with Linux-focused software is it focuses far too much on written commands rather than having a simple GUI with everything spelled out. I don't like that type of software design since I was not raised on it.
PRISM isn't spying in the way that this W10 telemetry shit is and there's different motivations behind the two. I'm certainly not defending PRISM, but this telemetry shit is bulk collection for M$ to datamine and sell. PRISM is targeted spying enforced by the companies, ordered by the US government. Which you don't need to worry about in practice, only in theory and principle. Windows is without a doubt backdoored since long ago.
W10 telemetry you have to worry about on a practical level because it's bulk-data collection that happens to everybody without any prompt (aside from the ToS) and for profit purposes. PRISM *can* spy on you, W10 *will* and does spy on you. Again, I'm not defending any of them, but unless you're also bugging the fuck out over the HDD firmware malware the government has put into HDDs before they even ship out, PRISM spying isn't worth worrying about compared to the telemetry from M$.
Fair enough. I understand that a lot of people on /g/ and pcmr saturate their e-peens with overly expensive hardware just to play video games which are superior to consoles, which is admirable. It still stands that you don't have to do much to make it work in Linux too.
Understandable also. Different tools also use different models for operation, e.g. non-linear or linear editing. I switched 10-12 years ago, so it's probably pretty easy for me to say that Linux software is more comparable to Windows software than you think. Ports from Windows seldom happen; It's unfortunate that it works that way, but since a lot of things are migrating to the cloud, including MS Office and text editors, would that influence your decision.
IA-32 will go away when it becomes cost effective to replace the hardware and software for millions of machines that will never need a >4GB working set (so probably never). Hell, you can find still find a calculator using an 8-bit Z80 in practically every high school kid's backpack.
>It's unfortunate that it works that way, but since a lot of things are migrating to the cloud, including MS Office and text editors, would that influence your decision.
Well Office is one situation where I just use open source stuff. LibreOffice seems mostly equivalent to MS Office from what I remember of MS Office (I used it in the past but no more).
I do not like cloud type software at all since the corporation has more control over the software than you do. And I realize that unfortunately Windows is moving in this direction itself. I was just hoping it would be a slower pace than they seem to have adopted. It appears MS is committed to an endgame future where if you don't have an Internet connection and pay them a monthly fee, your PC won't boot at all--to no advantage of the consumer obviously.
>log onto Windows 10 and start typing in Chrome
>no keypresses show up
>they show up slow and intermittent
>on a machine built in November 2015
>once all the services have started running it types normal speed again
What is this shit
I'm also particularly convinced that the first alternative people will reach for is OS X once cloud integration of most apps is complete.
I'm also sure that Microsoft isn't committed to OS development any longer, but I don't know why they are fighting so hard to fight Google in the cloud; it will be inevitable that Google or Apple will win.
you know it's a windows thread when someone mentions 64bit as if it's still a new thing
literally the only 32bit programs i have on my computer is wine and the few old windows games i run with it
>Install Windows 7 knowing it will be supported until 2020
>Find out its only really supported as long as you don't upgrade your hardware.
First came the bullshit upgrade campaign that silently downloaded several gigs onto your computer without asking for permission with the shitty prompt, then came the mandatory updates with no release notes and ads in your start menu. Now this bullshit. Can you imagine the shit storm if Canonical suddenly came out and said they weren't going to back port new hardware support to LTS?
They better get their shit together before the 8.1 EOL in 2013 or lots of die hard windows guys are going to jump ship. Time to start getting comfy with Mac OS because Linux/BSD will still suck on the desktop.
>Their whole skillset will become redundant when they can no longer click that box in the bottom right to update adobe reader
That's not a skillset. That's a boomer who thinks he knows how to fix computers.
Lots of IT departments, including mine modify the Adobe reader installer to disable update notifications and have something like SCCM or PDQ Deploy to deploy newer versions over the network.
Welcome to Windows.
We warned you
>First they ignore you
>Then they laugh at you
>Then they fight you
Guys, we have been saying this shit all along, the only thing I'm sad about is that it didn't happen quick enough
Jesus christ, Why are they so fucking desperate to lock people in to Windows 10?
100% sign that shit is NSA controlled. Hopefully someone will make a mod of the cpu that bypasses this retarded shit.
>Hopefully someone will make a mod of the cpu that bypasses this retarded shit.
yah blew it
why does a processor need "support"? as long as the instructions being sent to it are ones that it supports, what more do you need? is windows 10 going to use some new instruction set and these processors are only compatible with that one or something?
these days support means ongoing and software. having comparability with the same instructions the vast majority of processors have always had isn't support, that's a standard feature. business already hates it when they're forced to update or break their own software ecosystems with new windows versions, how are they going to react when the software they depend on just doesn't work on new hardware because "baww backwards compatibility is hard and expensive" (says one of the richest companies in the world)
I seriously don't understand how most of you people put down windows because of the spyware or use windows and "disable" the spyware. You will go so far as to trust some random person's tool on the internet to turn off what you think is all of the botnet? If you truly value your freedom, why are you not using another OS?
It's like supporting a manufacturer by buying a different product when another of their product is literally killing people and they just cover it up and ignore it.
>No, don't buy a, it's actually going to electrocute you but b is a pretty good product.
Or even if your ex has keys to your apartment. To keep them out you wouldn't just put tape over the lock or put up a sign, you would change the damn locks.
If you know they have one type of spyware, why are you trusting them to assume they don't have another?
I am kind of considering going to Windows 10 since from what I have seen there seem to be plenty of 3rd party things that purport to torpedo all of Microsoft's bullshit.
That said, I don't know how effective this shit is, so until I know for sure that there's a way for me to stop it from sending any info(and disable windows defender and windows update) I'm not touching it.
>New versions of Windows will still support old hardware.
Anon. That isn't the problem. The problem is that old versions of Windows will not support new hardware. No one gives a fuck about new versions of Windows, everyone is trying their best to avoid them except normies
>>52471896 and >>52471914 are lying. Data of that kind is only sent if the relevant options are turned on, or if Telemetry is otherwise set to "Full" (beta "Insider" versions only).
A manifest of Program Files is taken at Basic telemetry level, for Windows Update purposes i.e. it needs to know if you have things installed that will bluescreen when it updates, so it can uninstall them first. (If you have software that uses kernel-mode drivers that live in Program Files and aren't updated regularly with the kernel SDK, that's pretty much like using out-of-tree drivers in Linux: now unsupported.)
Anon, you need to think like a corporation here.
It isn't "Intel puts out new CPU and since it uses well established instruction sets known to work well on PCs for years, it works fine with Windows 7 and 8.1 even though MS says it will not be officially supported with those OSes."
Instead it's "MS pays Intel to make sure fucklake is broken on Win7 and 8.1 to force people to downgrade to Win10 so that once most people are on 10 they can do whatever they want since updates are forced and no one can use Windows without being spied on."
This is how things work in the corporate world.
No, they aren't. They're worse: Linux kernel internal ABIs are not guaranteed to be stable between minor versions, so out-of-tree drivers must always be recompiled against newer kernels before upgrades. (Yes, this is partly why your Arch may break with proprietary graphics drivers.)
Most Windows kernel internal ABIs are stable, or at least, have been from Vista until now.
If there's one thing Windows does insanely well, it's backwards compatibility. Probably too well.
Alright, here have your >(you). It's on the house kid, you at least tried.
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This makes sense from a monetary perspective.
Think about it, apple only has a very limited ranger of hardware to test their OS on, MS has to test their OS on thousands of different configurations for every update for every OS to ensure compatibility.
It would save money to upgrade everyone to 10 and then just lay off thousands of testers.
Has anyone even tried installing Win7 on a new Skylake PC? Apparently you can't do it without a DVD drive and a PS/2 port on your mobo since USB mouse/KB won't work. It seems like Win7 is fast being "phased out" by other companies who have an interest in helping MS force everyone to W10.
just so you know, 'stable' in this context means 'unchanging'/'rarely changing', not 'works well'
this only affects third party kernel modules, of which there are typically very few that people use, and in most cases recompiling against new kernels is handled by your distribution for you, or with dkms (also automatic)
my main desktop only has one 3rd party module installed (vhba)
If I upgrade one of my Win7 licenses to Win10 and download Win10 install media, will I be able to install Win10 to completely new pc later? I read there's no key for upgraded Win10, but only ones that are sold after free upgrade period.
>31% of steam users have windows 10 (64bit)
>Linux not even 1% combined
It's still not good enough for your average normie that plays vidya.
They just want to go on youtube and look for a song without worrying about proprietary codecs and play gaymes that will work without being yelled at for having wrong drivers.
And the drivers themselves are pretty bad, still lagging behind windows by a good margin.
and then they quickly exit when they have to update a driver or something breaks and cant fix it.
It doesn't because licensing.
Hence why most distros don't include shit like h.264,aac and mp3 codecs.