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Will Zen save AMD?
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Trick question. AMD is already the best.
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IMHO AMD needs to die already so better companies can replace it
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>>52451641
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>>52451641
IMHO you need to die already so better people can replace you
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>won't support windows 7

Nope. As much as I hate to admit it, AMD is krill.
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>>52453708
only a retard would buy a brand new cpu to use with an obsolete wangblows version
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>>52453732
>only a retard would buy a brand new cpu to use with wangblows
ftfy
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>>52453708
Skylake won't either

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9964/microsoft-to-only-support-new-processors-on-windows-10
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Please remember, "not supported" and "won't work" are two completely different things.
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>Zen not supported on Win7 SP1, only BOTNET 10

U AMD, AMDPOORFAGS?
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>>52451481
Not with marketing wank like that.
>Scalable Platform design points
That image belongs in a cringe thread
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>tfw waiting patiently for our savior
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I hope so.
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>>52451481
Only if it can replace ARM
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>>52453994
>muh arm will kill AMD meme
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>>52453994
This is a real CPU, Toby. It's not made for smartphones.
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If we actually do get 40% better IPC over excavator then not only will it save AMD but it will make intel sweat bullets. The only reason intel is the popular choice by OEMs is because their chips use less electricity and expel less heat. Both qualities sought after for use in laptops and tablets.

Now with zen it won't make much sense to use intel anymore especially since the iGPUs are always better on AMD chips.
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>>52451641
>I want a Nvidia and Intel monopoly

Congratulations, you are officially retarded.
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>>52453708
>>52453756
>won't support windows 7
thank god
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>>52455039
Not really, skylake laptops are already hitting the market and some of Lenovo's new offerings this year get 16 hours of battery life and will blow the shit out of Zen too if it ever makes it into any laptops that people actually buy.
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>>52455264
Well if Zen does deliver then theoretically a dual-core Zen will compete with a haswell i3. We don't know how energy efficient Zen chips will be but looking at carrizo laptop APUs, I'm willing to be they will be pretty fucking energy efficient especially since they will be on 14nm. Maybe not as energy efficient as skylake but pretty dam close.

Anyway what will attract OEMs more will be the igpu anyway. Zen will have hardware acceleration for 10-bit H264 and HEVC I think. We might get laptop Zen APUs with HBM so gaymen laptop OEMs will take great interest in Zen as well.
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>>52455264
>some of Lenovo's new offerings this year get 16 hours of battery life
That's because 75% of the laptop itself is a battery now lel. It would still get around 16 hours of battery life even with a zen chip.
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>>52451481
>needs win10 or pc won't boot

amd is done
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>>52451481
You know, a few months ago I would have said Yes. But with the market heading down some treacherous waters, I don't think Zen will have the impact on AMD's sales that it needs to. PC sales have declined more than ever last year as tablets and smartphones also began to stagnate. PC game sales haven't been going up at the rate that the market needs it to in order to keep the desktop market alive, indicating that the number of PC gamers are not growing at a rate necessary to counteract the steadily falling consumer desktop sales.

AMD, Intel, Nvidia, and countless of other manufacturers were gambling on the PC gamer market expanding, which is why Skylake launched with such a heavy emphasis towards gamers even in segments targeted for business markets (Xeon E3 C236 chipset gamer boards? It's already happened). But at this current trend, AMD is unlikely to secure enough sales to counter their cash burn merely because there are not enough people getting into PC gaming as it was once thought. VR might not be the silver bullet either, since they're launching at absurdly high prices with equally absurd requirements (+$300 for a peripheral that requires a $1000 minimum PC to use?). 2016 looks like it's going to be a bleak year for everyone. When Zen fails to save AMD, it won't be from a lack of effort.
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>>52455039
>>52455264

Turn off your fucking trips, you obnoxious assrammers.
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It will do more than save AMD, it's going to rape intel without lube. Not only will people start choosing AMD Zen over intel due to the lower prices but OEMs will too. AMD already showed us how based their integrated graphics are with kaveri chips are and the ones in Zen chips will only be better.

Zen is going to fucking rape intel not only in the desktop market but the laptop and server market as well. Rumour is AMD plans to btfo intel on the server market with a 32-core zen processor with a big ass igpu.
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>>52455513
Turn on your filters and go back to your delicate and sheltered worldview reddit.
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>>52453782
>>Zen not supported on Win7 SP1, only BOTNET 10
I don't understand this x86 is x86.
How can it be not supported?
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>>52455513
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>>52455575
He's just trolling. skylake already supports windows 7 and so will zen. However windows 7 will be considered a legacy OS now so drivers could become an issue.
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>>52455575
This, what exactly do they mean?

Is it like, it will work but we will not fix any problems that may occur? Or will it just not work?
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Remember how everyone was saying all the exact same shit about bulldozer?
Remember how it was outperformed by their own phenom 2 chips and came nowhere close to sandy bridge?
Of course you don't because you were probably 12 at the time.
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>>52455575
microsoft is going to push updates that recognize if a computer is running zen or skylake, and if true, microsoft will deactivate the license and prevent updates.

sounds illegal right? well, it isn't. have fun getting cucked. you let this happen.
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>>52455658
The first one.
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>>52453756

I am running sklyake on win7 without problems
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>>52455719
I remember bulldozer/piledriver performing about on par with the mid range sandy bridge chips but with somewhat worse power usage on average. Thing is bulldozer/piledriver come with all instruction set extensions while Intel limits their more useful extensions to their mid to high end chips. Some chips lack useful features completely regardless of what tier you buy like IOMMU on K series chips.
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>>52455719
Well this is AMD's last chance to deliver. If they fuck up Zen, they will have to stop manufacturing CPUs to not go bankrupt.

I'm waiting for their 8-core Zen chip to get i7-5960X performance on the cheap. I won't pay $1,000+ for that kind of performance if I don't have to.

whoops, wrong browser lol
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Well Zen must simply deliver.
40% IPC increase over what? one crippled excavator core?
That shit is slow as fuck.

Lets talk numbers.
amd 8 core of older architecture will get 6 points in cinebench 11.5
0,75 per core

So ZEN will have 1.05 per core and 4.2 per quad core.

Sheet
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>>52455864
>cinebench
Please tell me you are joking.
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FORTY PERCENT
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>>52451481
>Save AMD
they are doing better than they ever have dumb ass.
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>>52455476
listen to this market analyst spew shit. I bet you are a knowitall know nothing in real life too.
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>>52456168
Prove me wrong then
Explain to me why Intel was the only manufacturer with a net positive revenue for 2015.
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>>52455864
>cinebench

Good goy
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>>52456348
*computer component manufacturer

As far as I know, all manufacturers saw at least a 5% decrease in sales in 2015 over 2014. It's an overall trend in the desktop PC market and one that has been continuing since 2013.
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>>52451481
There's more than AMD at stake here. Will ZEN save US?
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>>52456123
>they are doing better than they ever have dumb ass.
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>>52456123
No they're not you fucking retard, the only revenue they have coming in is from xbone and ps4 which is peanuts compared what intel sells in the desktop market.

AMD is on lifesupport
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>>52456408
thinks the market value of their shares means anything. The market literally has nothing to do with the companies performance.
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>>52455864
Gee, I wonder why the 8350 scores 1,11 per core when their eight cores only score 6,93 together!

http://www.computerbase.de/2012-10/test-amd-fx-8350-vishera/18/

Could it... could it be that I have no clue what I'm talking about? Golly, I must have mistaken /g/ for /v/ again!

Also

>Cinebench
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>>52456408
Stock prices do not reflect the overall performance of a company. That's like saying that having a high temperature is a disease rather than a sign of one. The clear indicator is that AMD is still not operating off a net profit and their sales in nearly all markets has either stagnated or shrunk in 2015. The stock prices merely reflect that (as well as general panic over tech stock prices thanks to fucking Apple)
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>>52456412
amd isnt going anywhere bud. I know you all want monopolies like you own the the companies you shill for but its just wishful thinking.
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>>52455564
>Tripfag
>Literally telling someone to go to reddit
Fuck of cancer
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AMD chose the worst time possible to sellout to M$


Fuck these cunts hope they die
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>>52455513
>getting this buttmad about a tripcode
Go back to reddit and learn to use the filter, yes, in that order you fucking twat.
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>>52456496
I hope you realize that Windows 10 is as beneficial to AMD as having Windows 10 support for Zen is for Microsoft.
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>>52456439
>>52456459
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>>52456455
Willikers! Why do people use cinebench anyway? Also, what's a good test for IPC? I've never seen a proper response for one.
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>>52456531
Here
http://www.investopedia.com/
Hopefully this is dumbed down enough for you
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>>52456477
lol, did he trigger you tumblr?
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You better hope so, buying it or not
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>>52456523
>Botnet
>beneficial
good goy
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You're all fucking retarded. Zen is going to flop just like bulldozer.

The 40% better ipc is a massive exaggeration of the most optimistic outcome. In reality Zen will have 5% MAYBE 10% better ipc.

You're all just wasting time waiting for Zen which is more precious than your stupid shekels.
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>>52456543
There is no single test or benchmark that is a clear indicator of IPC alone. You'd need to run several different programs and benchmarks aimed at taking CPU performance into account and draw your conclusion from the overall performance. Anandtech is one of the few sites that do this for CPUs, but they don't have all the CPUs out there tested.
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>>52455264
>!BE/4wes0mE
How much do Intel and Nvidia pay you for your shilling? I'm genuinely interested, because _every_ hardware-related post I see with your tripcode attached is basically just shitposting against AMD. At least you had some cherrypicked benchmarks with the GPU drivers earlier, now it's like you're not even trying.
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>>52456600
AMD is going to sink with or without Zen. They won't have enough cash on hand to survive the crumbling market. They've burned far too much of it already when the going was good, but now that the global market is in the shitters, they won't be able to survive for much longer without cold, hard cash to run on.
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>>52451481
I can't wait until AMD goes out of business. I will literally celebrate when it happens.
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https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/

>Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon. For example, Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming “Kaby Lake” silicon, Qualcomm’s upcoming “8996” silicon, and AMD’s upcoming “Bristol Ridge” silicon.

>Zen comes after Bristol Ridge & only supported in BOTNET 10

U AMD, AMDPOORFAGS?
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>>52456601
Surprise surprise
Different processors process different instruction sets at different rates.
IPC is not a single number for everything. You might get 8 instructions per clock in some niche workload, and get 2 per clock in others.

>>52455839
>they will have to stop manufacturing CPUs to not go bankrupt.

Its hilarious seeing you shit eating morons continually regurgitate this line over and over.
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>>52456496
>>52456523

Intel sacrificed Havok to make sure M$ didn't buy AMD. It's not happening
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>>52455723
Nice meme, go fuck yourself
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AMD will not die because of their GPUs

http://wccftech.com/amd-unveils-polaris-11-10-gpu/
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>>52456662
If zen flops then intel will simply make better atom processors Einstein. Those will compete with APUs even igpu wise.

Zen CANNOT fail.
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When AMD closes their doors for good, it will be a good day.
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>>52456647
<400$ i3s
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>>52456600
>Complete re-design
>Abandoning Bulldozer's CMT-design
>Adopting SMT
>ALU, AGU and FPU unit count (per core) similar to Haswell
>Smaller and faster caches, similar to Intel's CPU-designs

But yeah, it's just gonna be another 5-10% man, just like another Bulldozer iteration, what can Keller do anyway. :^)
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>>52456706
Your post really makes you sound like a 10 year old kid, thinking that companies fight each other like pokemon where one has to "win."

Zen based Summit Ridge, Raven Ridge, and Opterons bringing a positive ROI will allow AMD to pay down their long term debt and maintain operating cash in hand. With that $2,000,000 burden gone they can reinvest all profits into the company, and likely start paying dividends to investors in a couple years. The specifics of how the Zen core arch compares against intel's core per clock doesn't matter at all, its a significant uplift from their current offerings which alone is a selling point.
There is no failing when a design is profitable.

Go back to /v/ and stay there forever.
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>>52456647
Please commit suicide.
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>>52456647
Yes, yes
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The only thing AMD can do is to compete with Intel is add MOAR CORES, and maybe a 25% IPC increase on the best case scenario with Zen, but we all know it wont reach %40.

It won't compete with kaby lake, that's for sure. Maybe it will reach Sandy Bridge or even Ivy bridge IPC.
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>zen comes out
>they are APUs only
>Quad is i3 price, hexa is i5 price, octa is i7 price and 16core is $700-$1000
>amd goes bankrupt next year
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>>52456795
>bringing a positive ROI will allow AMD to pay down their long term debt and maintain operating cash in hand
It might be too late. Word is that AMD is burning through their last reserves at a faster rate than Q1 2015. That is a serious concern, especially since the global economy is on the verge of tanking and AMD doesn't have a hope of turning a profit off of Zen until Q1 2017. There is a strong possibility that they will run out of cash and have to take on more debt, if they can even do that after 2016.
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>>52456734
Dipshit. Need I remind you AMD literally owns the x86_64 license?
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>>52456662
Right, this is the canned response I get repeatedly. So what set of applications are best used to test the different workloads to get the whole picture? I've never seen anyone offer this up, just vagaries.
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>>52456845
Probably the best decision AMD could make would be to release only APUs. APUs are very cost-effective and they're pretty much the only thing selling well at this point.
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>>52451481
I hope so. I plan to invest the equivalent of 5k USD into AMD stocks prior to the launch of Zen.
If it goes well, I'll stand to make a pretty penny.
If it goes poorly, well, it'll be with money I've borrowed from a bank so I'll either pay off the loan as I can or just kill myself depending on how badly it turns out.
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>>52456893
Cinebench is one, but Handbrake with GPU acceleration disabled is another. The problem with most of these programs is that they're also dependent on other factors, like RAM, storage, and even the motherboard.
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>>52456893
Compression(ie 7zip), encoding(x264 or even x265), compiling something fuckhuge(GCC and/or LLVM/Clang) rendering 3D models(blender), using complex filters(photoshop, gimp), various javascript benchmarks for gauging performance on the internet

Be sure to measure power usage while you do all of those things.
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>>52456898
>APUs are very cost-effective
Not for serious users.
It would suck for us to pay $50+ for a shitty GPU we'll never use.
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>>52456893
There is no single test for the "whole picture." You processor works with dozens of different instruction sets. Synthetic benches try to focus on more narrow ranges of a processor, while others attempt to simulate real world workloads which are more varied and far less intensive than synthetics.
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>>52456734
says the console faggot. Keep that console war mentality to consoles you cant apply that fagotry to every product on the market. Monopolies are bad for everyone imbecile.
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>>52456647
you are too fucking dumb. How do you remember to breath?
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>>52456962
I built 196USD, before rebates, PC for my dad, can play a bunch of games better than my 4670k, though his is running linux, so not a focus. They're pretty good bang for buck, if you aren't a hardcore gamer or whatever.
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>>52456962
I meant for AMD. Most people with prebuilts don't really care about graphics cards so they would be fine with pretty much any APU. People like us who need discrete GPUs would be screwed though.
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>>52456970

>There is no single test for the "whole picture."

This is why - as a rule - /g/ is completely ignorant of how cpus work and what specific chips are good/not good at. If there isn't an easy chart with a blue bar longer than a red one to point and and shout memes about /g/ doesn't understand.
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>>52457140
most dont even know or consider what a fsb is or a cache for that matter.
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>>52457231

>cache

Cache? Is that how the french type cash?
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>>52457292
Blue bars are bigger is all that you need to know.
fucking hate normies.
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>>52456408
This is because the entire market just crashed.
Intel had its worst day since 2008. AMD lost a lot because stock people don't know the difference.
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>>52457469
also desktop computing is coming to an end. there is no need for powerfull processors or gpu's anymore because nothing is being made to use the hardware. If you do rendering or heaavy computation there is a need but that is a very niche market now.
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>>52457031
They are pretty good bang for the buck, when you might want to play some not very demanding games slightly better than other integrated graphics, but not demanding games. That's actually a niche.

The "eh I might want to play some game but not properly" mentality is stupid, and thankfully not common around me.

>>52457105
>Most people with prebuilts don't really care about graphics cards so they would be fine with pretty much any APU
Exactly. They'd be fine with a weaker igpu too, like intels.
>People like us who need discrete GPUs would be screwed though.
exactly.
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>>52457572
to be fair if you want to play games just get a console. Next gens consoles will completely destroy the pc market anyway.
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>>52455782
You can run Windows 7 on Zen too. Windows 10 will just perform better.
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>>52453994
>>52454351
>AMD makes ARM server chips
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>>52457700
devs make games to run on toasters. and this nigger thinks you need a computer that has 10 times the power to do the same. You're falling for it.
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>>52455543
>server market with a 32-core zen processor with a big ass igpu.
Why the fug would you put an igpu in a server?

Unless its optimized for HSA programs, which is a very small niche.
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>>52457722

"Next gen" consoles have been trying to kill pc gaming for the last 20 years and it hasn't happened yet.

>>52457745

>Unless its optimized for HSA programs, which is a very small niche.

To be fair AMD has been putting in a lot of effort to stop Intel getting in on some of those niche applications where gpu grunt matters on a cpu.
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>>52457707
It's underwhelming and too late to the market
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3022491/hardware/amd-ships-delayed-arm-server-chips-to-a-cautious-market.html
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>>52457761
nope. Consoles have always been under powered its just recently that the poewer of consoles is close enough to pc that devs said fuck off to the pc market, and all we get is console ports. You think they are just going to jump over to pc for no reason all of a sudden. Its over man PC is in its death throws.
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>>52456600
>In reality Zen will have 5% MAYBE 10% better ipc.

Please, tell me how you know this.

AMD brought the man back to work on Zen, have faith.
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>>52457822
furhtermore this is what AAA devs think about pc's. Its over for good.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/pc-mac-linux-society-1000004/ubisoft-pc-has-piracy-rate-of-9395-29269023/
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>>52457822

You appear to have it backwards amigo. This is the first gen where you can build a pc thats morep woerful for similar money. To wit on the 360's launch you couldn't get that class of hardware for less than 1 thousand shekels.
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>>52457852
AAA devs dont make pc games gringo.
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>>52457745
A quad socket rack with huge APUs would have better perf/watt than a quad socket rack with CPUs and discrete GPUs of equal performance. The APUs would also have all the same benefits in socket to socket and rack to rack communication from their Freedom Fabric IP which is substantial.
No one needs to write code specifically for HSA, any OpenCL2.0 code will benefit due to feature parity. JAVA 8 also incorporates HSA, whil JAVA 9 takes it a step further and will make it complete ubiquitous.
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>>52457879

So EA for example (they are a dev as well as publisher) don't make AAA games?
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>>52457899
are you saying they make games for the pc? because what they do is make console games then port them to pc.
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>>52457928

>are you saying they make games for the pc? because what they do is make console games then port them to pc.

You do realise that all development is done on PC hardware right?
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>>52457958
no shit. but the games are designed around severe hardware limitations.
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>>52457958
All the development for shitty Android apps is done on PC hardware too, you fucking retard.

What platform you develop something on has literally nothing to do with what platform you're targeting it for.
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>>52457609
>Next gens consoles will completely destroy the pc market anyway.
THat's some retarded bait
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>>52458128
the devs have already jumped ship you better get your shit together tyrone.
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>>52458209
That's simply nonsense.
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>>52458962
as far as I'm concerned a multiplat is a console port. You take away the multiplats and theres like 2 devs that are AAA making games for pc unless they are making some f2p garbage or indi games.
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No. By the time it comes out Intel will be far ahead. Zen might be finally able to compete with Haswell though.
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>>52460074
There's not that many for each console either though.

But okay. You may think whatever you want, PC gaming is doing great.
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>>52455476
I agree, add in steam box vs consoles amd vs intel) same outcome.
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>>52453732
>only a retard would use wanglows
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>>52453756
Why there's no lawsuit yet?
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>>52460327

Intel and MS are so big they literally ignore the law only to suffer minor penatlies a decade later.
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>>52460426
MS lost every antitrust suit so far.
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>>52460327
Lawsuit over what? New hardware not being supported on a OS that has officially passed its 'no new features' date? Its time to face facts, if you don't like the direction Microsoft is heading with Windows, its time to take the alternatives seriously and stop living in the past on a OS that's four years from its total end of all support.
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>>52460549

They have but what are the practical implications of it? Oh noes IE isn't bundled by default.

Intel equally got their shit slapped in court for locking AMD out of OEM contracts but a "mere" few billion fine is nowt compared to what they earnt by such illegal activity.
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I will buy that pussy because I'm going to upgrade anyway and no matter how bad it will get it will still be better then my current athlon x2 4200.
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>>52460583
Except you and me know lack of support is an artificial way to push Windows 10.
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>>52451641
if they where any good they would have risen already
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>>52460704
It may be artificial, but as with the restriction of DX12 to 10 Microsoft is well within their rights. Like users who clung to their Be Boxes and Amigas a bit too long its time to face the fact that Windows 7 isn't a current platform anymore and its time to move on.

Linux always needs more users.
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>>52451481
Christ, I hope it does.
With Intel practically unbeatable, they've been charging pretty much what they want for their chips.

I miss the Core2 days.
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The sad thing is if AMD dies there won't be any other company out there like them. Whoever acquires them or their assets are just going to lock them away.

I think the only other company like AMD was Sun but they were acquired by an absolutely vile company that immediately told the open source community to fuck off and ruined basically everything Sun had built up.
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>>52460920
No one will acquire AMD because of the poison pill. The most valuable thing they have is the x86 license, but that's non-transferable.

With any luck Polaris and Zen this year will help AMD immensely, and their SOC chips next year that combine the two will help bring them more into the mainstream.
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>>52451481
If they release something better than my Xeon e3 1240 v3 ill take them seriously
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>>52460977
No, the most valuable part of AMD is Radeon.

Nobody in their right mind would launch a new x86 manufacturer, even if AMD's x86 license was transferable. Just look at the long, long graveyard of 'em - Transmeta, VIA (life support from netbook money), Cyrix and Centaur (gobbled up by VIA)

AMD needs a smash hit right now.
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>>52461133

IIRC even for all the failings their cpu division is more profitable than their gpu division. Admittedly with Lisa "fucking schlomo's shit up" Su, Jim " certified shit wrecker" Keller and rajeet being in charge of gpus AMD has built itself over the last 4-5 years to suddenly eco-boom waaaaaaaaaaaay up to Intel and Nvidia's level by playing the long game.

Dominanting the HSA market (as niche as iti s) and getting the console contract puts AMD ion the unique position of dictating the direction of a lot of hardware despite being a tiny player. Their entire gameplan is based around "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and from initial viewing it appears to be working.
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Now that I'm fully aware of the botnet nature of modern AMD/Intel processors I give much less of a fuck about Zen than I used to. I just want it to succeed for economic reasons because fuck monopolies. IBM is the horse I really want to back with OpenPOWER.
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>>52452498
underrated post
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>>52461446
>nVidia
>giving any kind of a shit what hacks AMD implements for their console GPUs

No.
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>>52461519

Nvidia has many, many more hacks than AMD has to both DX abd openGL. To the point the retarded dolphin devs believe its Nvidia or bust if you want to comply to openGL.

AMD historically played by the rules and its burnt them because of it.
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>>52453708
>not making a multi cpu zen dragonflyBSD workstation
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>>52457841
>Ubisoft

Who cares about what they think? They thought microtransactions was a good idea in AC.
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>>52457928
>Sims was made for console and then ported to PC

Are you retarded? It's the other way around.
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>>52461446
IMO, the console contract's going to at least keep AMD from sinking into oblivion within the next ~7 or so years.

But the PS3 and X360 PowerPC contracts didn't save IBM from turning into a purely outsourcing faceless drone machine.

Note, that they got the contracts right as Apple was hyping the shit out of their PPC machines kicking Intel's ass (Intel producing flaming, self-destructing P4s at this time notwithstanding.)

(And yes, I know that right after hyping the shit out of PPC, they announced a switch to Intel after about a year of the similarly-flaming-hot G5 being on the market.)
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>>52461697

>But the PS3 and X360 PowerPC contracts didn't save IBM from turning into a purely outsourcing faceless drone machine.

To be fair IBM has always been a R&D powerhouse and the consoles contracts have been virtually irrelvant to them as a company.

To this day IBM's strength has been is pioneering shit that other major players (such as Intel) cvannot inteo.
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>>52451481
Not if what MS said is true, about it not working with W7 and W8.1. It's still x86, so I don't see how that is even possible. Outside of MS releasing an update to specifically make W7 and 8.1 refuse to boot on Zen/Kaby Lel, I have no idea how it could be true, but if it's an update you can just install from an older ISO and disable that update from installing in the first place. Or disable updates entirely.
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>>52457516
good joke anon :^)
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>>52462056
That isn't what the Microsoft rep said, stop buying into clickbait. You can install Win7 on anything the same as you can with Wn95 or XP. Being unsupported and not working are two entirely different things.
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>Will Zen save AMD?
It'll be just like the R9 300 series.

Zen will basically be 1-2% worse than intel's equivalent offerings in overall performance. This will cause an uproar of people saying that AMD is shit for not meeting their excessive expectations, and to never recommend AMD to people because they think they'll benefit from that marginal performance difference.
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>>52456647
unless your daddy is an intel investor you are fucking retarded if you want intel's only competitor to go out of business. From the consumer's point of view its shit, no competition means monopoly and then they will start charging you double for cpus 2% better than last years
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>>52462115
Being unsupported can also mean you could get various system peripherals that don't work with any drivers W7 currently has and that no drivers for it will ever be made (by MS, Intel or AMD). I don't doubt that W7 will be able to boot, but even so the experience may be shitty and lacking (or downright unusable) if you're going to be missing official drivers for various things. I don't mean the CPU itself, but shit like the new chipsets for Kaby Lake and Zen.
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>>52462300
>Zen will basically be 1-2% worse than intel's equivalent offerings in overall performance.
What exactly do you mean by that? In terms of IPC or what? I kind of doubt a 4C Zen CPU is going to be that close to 4C Kaby Lake, even if Intel does their typical 5% improvement shit.
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>>52453756
Skylake already does, they're talking about future processors.
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>>52462453
>muh Jew meme
>ARM isn't a thing
k
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>>52457292
>knowing how computers work is for fedoras
jesus christ, you're fucking PROUD of your ignorance
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>>52462632
Not for desktop CPUs that provide the same kind of performance Intel and AMD CPUs provide, no. It's not a thing.
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>>52462632
Arm is not currently competing with Intel except for a few Intel android tablets.
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>bought 30k amd shares at 3.5
zen better fucking delivers
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>>52462453
Intel already has a monopoly in the server space (95% share), is borderline at best/worst in the desktop space (80+% share) and probably also in the laptop space. Shit is bleak.
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>>52462682
at least if its shit then you can actually get mad at them with a reason
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>>52451481
I just want them to update the am1 socket.
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Zen and polaris will boost market shares. Nvidia is having issues with new gpus, and could potentially fall behind. Intel on the other hand, has been holding back for some time. And zen needs to live up to the hype, or else Intel can just drop amd out of the market.
It's a scary time for AMD, and I really hope they give me a reason to switch over
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>>52457841
Get a load of this guy.

>Multiplayer-centric AAA titles with only token single player support
>F2P-Hybrid AAA games where you buy half the game and pay for the rest through DLC microtransactions
>Offering discount games through several license management services like Steam
>Slowly adapting all these things to the console market

It sure sounds like they're gaving up, bro.
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>>52461578
To be fair though, many developers are pants on head retarded. They have zero fundamental soundness in designing their game/render path, made up for by frantically shoehorning in optimizations for each console version to meet a 25-30fps target, and it shows. This leaves it to the driver developers to basically re-engineer everything in the driver. This is literally what happened for say, Assassin's Creed Unity.

Luckily there's still games like Grand Theft Auto V and Witcher 3 coming out to show that there are still good programmers left in video games.
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>>52456348
>>52455476
good thing amd doesn't even plan for the zen to be sold in volume to consumers, it's their way back into the server market, which they plan on seeing most of their gains from.

as for the consumer, if you have a core 2 quad or even a phenom II x4, you have VERY little reason to upgrade, especially if you don't play at above 60fps, so there goes the gamer aspect of "got to upgrade my 4770 to 6770 or else i cant play the newest games" angel, and if you just go on a software side, ever since dual core chip there has been little reason for normal users to upgrade. the only reason you buy a new desktop now is

1) you can use the power to its fullest
2) your current hardware is lacking
3) your current hardware broke
4) you are actually retarded and think this is the early 90s where every 4-6 months computer hardware made serious gains and you must upgrade
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>>52462097
>>52457516
not really a joke
sure games can push a gpu, but that is a niche in itself, most people don't even need more than a dual core system with how they use them, its why cellphones and tablets are so popular and used.

hell, if no one gimped performance at all with updates you think anyone would have the newest apple thing?
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AMD won't die for a long time as long as consoles are popular. They only danger is someone buying them and cannibalizing their product lines and structure to the point that they can't innovate outside of specific parameters.
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>>52464216
>most people don't even need more than a dual core system with how they use them

This is true in the sense that web browsing/gaming technically works on old hardware... but it takes a special kind of retard to honestly believe even the most average normie isn't getting a huge benefit from faster cpus. Everyone, no matter how light their usage, perform tons of cpu-heavy operations in quick bursts behind the scenes.

If you literally only browse forums or fb, then yeah... maybe an upgrade isn't the most effective use of $400. It is an appreciable difference though, and anyone who uses their computer a lot will notice.
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>>52456982
>says the console faggot
console apu's are developed by amd
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>>52462584
it'll be either equal to or a little faster than a haswell chip, comparatively.

If it ends up being any less, AMD will end up folding by the next year, i swear.
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>>52465317
A bit slower than Haswell but offering 6 (or even 8) cores at the typical unlocked "mainstream" i7 price point could be pretty nice. If it OC's decently too, that could be a pretty sweet desktop CPU.
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>>52456845
You do realise that every Intel chip post Nehalem is basically an APU, right?
The exception being Xeon and 6/8 core i7
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You do realize Intel isn't even trying anymoar, right?
If zen happens to be good, Intel can simply remove their on-board useless gpu, and use the silicon for moar cores at the same price.
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>>52455476
>MUH PC market share decline sales projection.

It doesn't matter if PC grows or decline. AMD's problem is that nvidia or intel infintatley more aggressive with their proprietary software/hostile business practice. Nvidia/Intell have secured their market before the pc market was even on decline.
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>>52451481
AMD claims it will basically be in the haswel ball park, and they will do another MOAR COARS

but rumors say the chip is meeting expectations.

so I think it will
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>>52453708
Support =/= work
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>>52456633
>They won't have enough cash on hand to survive the crumbling market.

They are getting a percentage after every console sold on the market. They have enough cash.
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>>52466216
damn well better with all the delays
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>>52452498
this tbqh senpai
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>>52466425
this is rumors from the engineers (they say it delivers pretty much) but its still rumors so take with a grain of salt.

I think they can do it since redesign with chip wizzard + die shrink.
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>>52466470
isn't he gone now anyways with the tooling being finalized? AMD doesn't need a victory, they need multiple with the size intel's become.
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>>52466649
Jim is gone but his team is finishing things up, he left behind at least two new generations of CPUs. After that his team will have to carry the weight.
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>>52456898
You say that but the profit margins on APUs is not very good. Most APUs sold are in the bargin-bin shitbooks that populate best buy's shelves that people simply buy because they're the cheapest laptops.
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>>52466803
What I mean is APUs integrate several things into one slab of silicon. Having one die fabbed vs several is more efficient. There's pretty much no way AMD would ever go back to having separate dies for everything it's just unneeded costs.
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FX cores was even weaker then Phenom
So ZEN will be even more shit than FX is but
>Muh 20 cores
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>>52452498
/thread
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>>52467042
Bulldozer was faster in cases where threads made the difference and it has newer instruction set extensions which can give it a significant advantage in newer applications. When comparing older applications bulldozer was often within 10% of Phenom II. The main problem with bulldozer was the power usage and I'm starting to believe that was mainly due to the leakage from the node technology. Kaveri and Carrizo are very power efficient
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>>52455575
Do you seriously not understand what "not supported" means?

It means you can use it, but if it doesn't work or you need updates, you're fucked.
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>>52467042
Bulldozer was faster in anything that wasn't floatpoint.
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>>52467108
>The main problem with bulldozer was the power usage and I'm starting to believe that was mainly due to the leakage from the node technology.
it was ENTIRELY due to GloFo's leaky shitty 32nm node and the clock rates they were trying to hit.

Now that it's been refined over 4 years later, they can make 8-core piledriver chips that end up 95w at 3.7-4Ghz.
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>>52462682
>at 3.5
>at 3.5
>at 3.5
>at
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I want it to be a good CPU, I doubt it will be.

AMD has blown it too many times.
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>>52456999
Who the?
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>>52462682
Jesus fucking Christ, it's like you want to set yourself up for disappointment.
Pull out of stocks while you can. It's all about commodities and currencies. The market is tanking worldwide.
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I dunno, like, literally if AMD would simply release a flagship Dual core CPU with performance that beats intel in Single-Threaded applications and had modern instruction sets for encryption and such things, I'd totally go with AMD.

Them single-threaded photoshop filters and render things on High Resolution images make you cry when you have 8 cores and can only use 12.5% of them. Also saving high res images as PNGs, fuck AMD's whole MOAR COARZ mindset
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>>52455543
>not using the original I made in 2013
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>>52467362
>dual core
>10 years after 2005

Think about what you're asking for.
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>>52460812

Betamax - VHS
Bluray - HDDVD
etc etc
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>>52467042
Zen is keeping the 8 core max philosophy, but dropping to 14nm and focusing on making the existing cores faster
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>>52461133
AMD's just gonna push their ARM chips more and more until they've migrated all their high-performance IP over to the RISC architecture and no longer need x86.
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>>52467314
Give AMD some credit here look at the company they're being compared against, Intel is absolutely fucking huge. AMD does pretty reasonable considering what they're up against.
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>>52457609
Kinda like the Xbox One and PS4 destroyed it in 2013, eh?

>Steam growing more than ever
>GOG launches
>eSports exploding
>Oculus pushing hardware limits
>revenue growing by 10% every year
>PC gaming more popular than ever
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>>52467418
If only they could grow instead of forcing themselves into their tiny cage
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>>52451641
What a stupid opinion.

AMD isn't stopping anyone from gaining a foothold, and this industry has a massive barrier of entry. You're asking for a monopoly.

If you still don't see the error of your ways, kindly fuck off+die.
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>>52467362
only literal cucks use dual cores in the modern age

please, join us in modern technology and get a quad.
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>>52467442
They tried once. Intel bribed, AMD nearly died. Everyone except Intel got fucked pretty much.
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>>52467463
Seriously though during the Athlon AMD had almost 50% of the market and they were running ads to demonstrate the superiority of CPUs vs Intel's. Even the names of their CPUs were made to show how superior they were. Athlons came with a vague numbers at the end like 3000+ which was to show that even though they were 2GHz they were comparable to an Intel processor running at 3GHz. They were wrecking Intel's shit.
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>>52456502
I don't mean to derail the thread but telling someone seeking to preserve anonymity to go back to reddit is about as retarded as you can get
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>>52467454
>>52467384
I have a 6700K.
Funny thing is, 90% of the time, if I'm not encoding or rendering video content I don't use more than 2 of the cores unless I'm running multiple games at the same time. A lot of the time I'm slowed down to single-core speeds.

I'd rather have two fast cores than 8 slow as shit ones. knowwhatimsayin?
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>>52467373

>original is not in .png

You failed at reaction images.
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Suicide is the answer you are looking for, anon
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I'll be going from 2600k to zen
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>Steamroller is 20% better than Piledriver
>Excavator is 20% better than Steamroller
>Zen is 40% better than Excavator

This means a 4 GHz FX-8350 should be equal to a 2 GHz Zen CPU and there is nothing stopping AMD from releasing 6+ GHz Zen CPUs with 32 cores.
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>>52467559
>They were wrecking Intel's shit.
Oh they were but then you stopped seeing AMD cpus in prebuilt computers. All enthusiast were buying the Athlons but none of the big manufacturers were.
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>>52468530
At least until the alarm clock goes off and you realise you were dreaming
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>>52468530
>I've never seen a single review of any of these chips ever

Steamroller isless than 10% faster than Piledriver at equal clocks. Cache latency took a big hit which hampered all of the performance gains, that second decoder does almost nothing unless you're running some oddball integer synthetic on all threads.
Excavator brought about the same uplift. By AMD's own admission the average IPC uplift was only 5%, though it reaches 14% in a few niche workloads.

They never gained 20% IPC between generations, even Piledriver was a 10% uplift, much of the performance over Bulldozer came from higher clocks.
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