>>52444037 I dunno man, my wrist stopped hurting when I switched to a trackball. Maybe it's just because it engages different muscles and it will fuck me up in the long run, maybe it'll always be good. We'll see. But for now it works.
>>52444140 >>52444056 It's fairly good but only if you have small or medium sized hands. If your hands are thick, it will be cramped (the ball is tiny like in a thumb trackball and the right click button is near it), if your hands are long, it will be uncomfortable to hold. It's similar shape to the old Microsoft or Logitech ergonomic trackballs, but not the same size - clearly meant for asians. Other than that, it's really OK. A lot of buttons, they click nicely, the ball rolls really smoothly, no problems so far. I don't like the scroll wheel as it gives too much resistance for my taste, both when scrolling and clicking, but that's personal preference. I'd also recommend a wireless version, not because of the wirelessness, but because the AA battery adds a bit extra weight and IMO it's too light without it. But you can of course buy a wired one and glue something heavy inside.
tl;dr not perfect because too small. But since it's the first ergonomically shaped finger trackball in over a decade, we can't really complain too much.
I can't get on with trackballs that are finger based. I have a Logitech that uses the thumb and prefer it immensely. For everyday use though? I dunno. I just have it on my server because of cramped space.
logitech marble user here I really like it, been using it for years. I have like three of them stowed away in case they stop making them but its been holding up like a champ for a years. mouse is huge but so are my hands, its a perfect fit
scooting a mouse around seems foolish in comparison. For a traditional mouse you not only need a clear space large enough to accommodate moving the mouse, but you need a surface that works with your sensor. trackball mice sit in once place never ever need to move, I put my coffee mug right next to it, no problem. I can put it next to my keyboard in the keyboard tray and never worry about bumping into stuff
I have one on top of a piano keyboard in my music studio where a regular mouse doesn't work because it needs room to move. i've been hooked on them ever since
>>52448873 Most precise small movements. Fastest large movements. Needs very little desk space. Doesn't need a mouse pad. Doesn't need a flat surface. Doesn't need a level surface. Don't need to pick up and reposition all the time. Works for absolute coordinates (drawing, digitizer also works well) and relative coordinates (FPS games). Always has 100% accuracy, even if the desk surface is bad (optical mice). Has the maximum possible sensitivity (optical sensors).
>>52444251 Hey, thanks for the review! I have the trackball you've placed to the right of it, and it looks like the Elecom is a bit too small for my hand. Might buy one and 3D print a palm rest; I really dislike wireless peripherals. Or maybe get an ergonomic mousepad with the wrist rest, and claw grip it.
These things are amazing for using on your recliner, in your bed or on your couch.
I think on a desktop, most people would be better off fixing their ergonomics before switching to a trackball but for anything else, trackballs are fucking amazing. Ever wanted to play PC games on your couch? Get this fucking thing.
>>52448873 >It's an upside down ball mouse. Ball meese are obsolete, aren't they. it's built differently. Ball mice use rollers with encoders to track the movement, their resolution is very limited (by the physical cuts in the encoder) and they stop working when the rollers get dirty. Modern trackballs use laser sensors directly on the ball, the same as in optical mice, so they don't have the drawbacks of ball mice. However, I do agree that every trackball made before the optical age is painful to use, as they got dirty a lot faster than ball mice. But that was almost 2 decades ago.
>>52448995 it's not as bad as it looks from the top, it's pretty much the same height, just shorter. If you place anything on the back to support your hand better, or use it with fingertip grip, it's ok. But it's clearly meant for tiny asian hands.
i never had a trackball mouse but i really want to have one. are there any guides on how to pick a good one? i want to put it in front of my keyboard and only use it occasionally because i don't gayme and prefer keyboard shortcuts.
>>52455900 exactly. There are still a few with that technology - they're no longer produced, obviously, but still sold. (There are also a few mechanooptical ones for anti-vandal purposes, but that's a different thing entirely, they're large, heavy and metal)
>>52456307 >is it true that the battery in the m 570 lasts ~18 months? yes. Depending on your usage obviously, but the battery life is great.
>is 56€ reasonable? Not really, I got mine on Amazon for $20 (+$15 shipping to Europe, so $35 total). You can buy it now for $26.95 + shipping. Even if you're hit with custom fees and vat it'll still be cheaper than 56€
>>52456529 Many people say that a thumb trackball is easier to adjust to when coming form mouse, because you're clicking the same way (in finger trackballs you left click with your thumb) However, I could never get used to it, maybe because my thumbs are too clumsy.
>>52444251 I am using on right now. Idk how you can say the ball is smooth, I find it gets stuck pretty often and is nowhere near as smooth as the logitechs. I also have to use two fingers on the ball to keep it accurate, trying with just one tends to be a pain, but then I am on 1080 and 1440 screens with high speed set to move around quickly.
Using the red logitech ball does overall seem much better.
Also not sure how I like the placement of the left click.
Been using it for over a month or two now though and I am not unhappy, just it feels like for the price the ball should have some bearing in the casing instead of sliding on nubs. Charging that much for cut corners is bullshit.
>>52459263 then perhaps I've been lucky with mine because the ball on my elecom is much smoother than on my Logitech Cordless Trackman and even than on My kensington Slimblade. Looks like their quality is not consistent.... Do you have an M570 to swap the black ball for the blue one? It should improve your experience. I think the left click is in the right place (well, for my hand anyway), but the right click is stupid. The indentation for the right finger should be clickable - as it is now, it's too close to the ball and it gets cramped if I use 2 fingers to control it. But oh well, I hope they improve it in the next version.
>>52459415 I'm using the red ball with black dots. I used to have a few trackballs with blueballs, will have to look around if I still have them.
I've found if you gently oil the ball with forehead oil or such it helps it move better, but overall it still feels awfully stiff. But then I stopped using trackballs since I was sick of the logitechs not lasting so I have been using laser mice for the past 3-4 years so maybe I am just remembering it being better than it really was.
>>52459690 Bad. The only FPS where I've seen people using trackballs efficiently has been TF2 when playing Heavy. I assume any other FPS where you have to do tracking over long distances like that would also see benefit.
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