>>52431199 They worked alongside each-other, that's not imitation. Unless you mean to suggest that Stallman was just riding on Ritchie and Thompson's coat-tails, which is just absurd considering the level they were working at.
>>52431801 He worded his post pretty matter-of-factly, as such I took his reasoning at face value as fact. Are you suggesting that Dr. Stallman is not a fraud, that Python is not apart of the C family, and I should not share such information among my peers?
Are you actually suggesting someone is lying on the internet?
>>52431861 You do know Dr. Stallman is a frequent guest on right-wing conspiracy shows like Info Wars, correct? How can I respect someone on the intellectual level of crackpots like Jesse Ventura and Whitley Strieber?
>>52433348 he didn't write blogs while his hand was unusable either. it's just that he didn't start coding again after it was healed because he can achieve more like this. he just knows when to step back.
>>52433392 GDB is another example, he maintained these projects for a reasonable amount of time and co-authored a lot of other stuff. his biggest accomplishment however isn't in code, it's copyleft and Free Software in general. he also convinced the *BSD people to use a free license. >>52433442 he made a new one that outperformed the others and was completely free software, that's not "copying".
>>52433676 At the very least they brought innovation to systems development. Cant say that for GNU. Im still waiting for someone to tell me what GNU has brought to the table. ZFS? Nope dtrace? Nope that was Sun too..
>>52433714 Development happens in practically every country by now, when computers are personal and all connected to each other. That development wouldn't be able to happen if things weren't open source, so any system that isn't that would be dismissed anyway after the open source alternative came out. Ideas shouldn't be chained just because you don't have the money to pay royalties to some other country. Linux is most likely the biggest open source software there is. I'm not talking about lines of code, I'm talking about the number of developers. Open source model would probably be almost non-existant if Linux and GNU wouldn't be pushing it to everyone.
>>52433887 The innovation is obviously that the code is written from scratch so they have the full ownership of it and can give it away to the whole world freely. If the original would have done it there would be no need for those, probably.
>>52433954 >Someone has a monopoly on wheels >Someone else figures out how to also make wheels and starts telling people how to do it so they can make their own >"I-i-it's a bad thing and s-s-shouldn't exist!"
When will people learn the difference between making an individual wealthier and making the world a better place?
>>52434057 How could you possibly miss that analogy? Are you thick? The point is obviously that the situation before was extinguishing innovation since it wasn't freely available. You can't create anything better if you're only allowed to smash two rocks together and that's all. If wheels only came from one distributor there's the obvious problem that they can only be as good as that distributor can make them. Not better. You need the basics to be able to improve.
>inb4 improving isn't innovation, other wheels should be square since round ones were already taken
There might be a time when people learn the difference between making an individual wealthier and making the world a better place, but that day is not today.
>>52433552 >OS derivative Impressive. But not as impressive as a language. When the OS is at it's best, you don't think about it.
Or maybe they think that daily tinkering is coding?! XD
>>52433838 >toying this hard with the words Ok, I'll have to break it down.
>Development happens in practically every country by now, True.
>when computers are personal True.
>and all connected to each other. Half-true. Internet only makes things quicker. But if Microsoft had picked Amiga as the computer to develop an OS for, then we'd probably have a small computer revolution before the internet.
>That development wouldn't be able to happen if things weren't open source, False. If Microsoft + Commodore had made the perfect partnership and enough people could afford their OS + Computer-bundle, people wouldn't give two shits about the software being proprietary as long as it did the work.
Or why not iPhone? Runs on proprietary software too. Was the first smart phone that won the hearts of soccer moms and dudebros alike.
>so any system that isn't that would be dismissed anyway after the open source alternative came out. What? You get what you pay for. Period.
>Ideas shouldn't be chained just because you don't have the money And this will only benefit the states and the big biz. Because they can afford the legal faggotry they heap over those they steal the ideas to
>to pay royalties to some other country. Companies. You pay royalties to companies.
>>52434115 Idiot. Most tech innovation was coming out of Microsoft, Sun and plan9 inferno. GNU was too busy cloning existing software. Linux squeezed out Sun and plan9 by being "Good enough" and now we have been stuck in a innovation drought since 2000. Unless you want to tell me the GNU innovations. But i doubt you will since nobody else in this thread can.
>>52434126 >Linux is most likely the biggest open source software there is. I'm not talking about lines of code, I'm talking about the number of developers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
>Desktop/Laptop operating system browsing statistics >Linux 1.5%
>Web clients' OS family statistics >Linux kernel-based 28.69%
Are you trying to tell me that most of the open source-devs are developing Linux and not programs for it?
>Open source model would probably be almost non-existant if Linux and GNU wouldn't be pushing it to everyone. And that's why smart people stay away from the legal cesspool that GPL/GNU/FOSS is. You're telling us like it is: It's so crappy that it has to be forced on victims with underhanded tactis. Thanks a lot!
And btw, this is a cosplayer. They spend countless of their time and money to dress up as fictional characters. Just for fun. No one has been tricked into cosplaying. No one had been told that if you wear a sock that has been used in a costume, then the rest of your clothes must be cosplay too.
So isn't it hilarious? DESPITE the underhanded fraud GPL/GNU/FOSS is, you still haven't hit 2% in the browsing statistics. 20 years after the breaktrough of the internet! XD
>>52434126 >Companies. You pay royalties to companies. Which are never in every possible country, so there will be situations where there is no choice but to send money away to another country in royalty form. This is a turn-off in poor countries who still have intelligent developers, so that point stands like it was.
Disclaimer: I'm not from one of the poor countries, I just try to think globally.
>>52434115 copying software made an individual - RMS - quite wealthier. Now gullible people like you, just in higher positions, pay thousands for him to talk around the world about how much of a good guy and a hero he is. As it has been mentioned in this thread, he hasn't really coded anything for two decades. Also you freetards forget to mention the dozens of evil profit-hording companies that finance linux. Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it.
>>52434286 Recycling isn't free either, it requires a gigantic project around the world which has different sections and plans and it needs a lot of investment for the ultimate goal of making the world a bit less shitty and doomed.
Feel free to earn that wealth yourself by copying RMS and start giving speeches on freedom. It would be hypocritical if he would be opposed to it since it's spreading the word.
>>52434576 >Gigantic companies like Intel have only been tinkering
Your 30 year old assumption that Linux is only used by basement dwellers is really affecting your communication. Go educate yourself before you really make a fool out of yourself in some place where your anonymity isn't secured.
>>52434665 Please don't make an argument by popularity. People aren't going to do what they don't understand. If people only learn about one way to make money, they will only do it that one way that they understand. Most people are woefully ignorant about free software.
>>52434678 By definition, everything that is a contributor to the outcome is productive work. If your job is to dig holes all day long, the act of buying shovels and tools are included in your productivity.
>>52434914 I'm not arguing that proprietary software isn't a superior way of making money. If you believe that this was our position, there's no point in continuing as you are arguing things that we don't say.
>>52433683 well, I'm sure you have more honorary phds, give speeches across the world, helped create a userland that now dominates supercomputer and server platforms, and went to MIT as well so rms is a pretty low class manchild to you
>>52435062 Raymond was literally no one when Stallman was encouraging cooperative development of free software. Raymond is in the open sores corporate cuck area, not to be confused with the original ideology of free software
>>52435374 >>52435062 >>52432829 Stallman didn't come up with the idea of free software, it was the norm since the birth of software. What Stallman did was start a formal movement promoting the ideals of free speech and voluntary cooperation within software distribution. Eric Raymond had related ideas to the free software movement but was not a promoter of the free software movement.
>>52435445 Sounds like you're the typical delusional corporate cuck The market/user decides what's the best and then they use it, period. GNU/Linux was superior to Inferno, Sun, and Microsoft for its dominant market areas and therefore grew there. While it might not have had all the latest experimental features (which tend to fade to obscurity the majority of the time anyway), it was superior enough with licensing to be the UNIX derivative of choice. Protip, people don't care about innovatshiun as much as they care about having a system that they can continue to build upon for their needs. The only people that put innovashiun above a functioning free systems are the hipster faggots writing blog posts about Plan9 and inferno and how great things could have been
>>52435625 Plan 9 and Inferno are fantastic. The problem is that the people aren't willing to invest to migrate their software infrastructure to Plan 9 when they feel it's cheaper to maintain their infrastructure in GNU/Linux.
>>52435450 >it was the norm since the birth of software. It was a quickly fading norm that he saved and transformed into a concrete ideology. People shared code because computing was not market ready to restrict that sharing.
>>52435655 If they were fantastic they would have been adopted long ago. Protip, being fantastic is not limited to the technical architecture of the OS. While I agree that Plan9 and Inferno were conceptually fantastic they still failed as an OS.Adaptation has more to do with marketing and licensing than it does with pure architectural terms.
If Kanye West went round and told everyone 'call me Dr West', would you think 'oh well that's his right, he's entitled', or would you think 'look at that pretentious faggot'
We both know deep down it would be the second. That's what Stallman is, a pretentious faggot. He may have the 'right' to call himself a doctor since he has an honorary degree, but exercising that right makes him a huge fucking attention seeker.
>>52435838 If that's what you want to believe, fine. In reality, OS research has only increased with permissive licenses sourcing from the GNU/Linux userland. It allows everyone to do research on a common system without the worry of licensing. or obtaining/publishing of source code. The GPL also restricts proprietary derivatives meaning that corporations can't steal code without giving back. GNU/Linux has done more for OS research than any OS in the world.
The cause of the "Dark Age" was the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the waves of invasions and raiding that followed it. Without the larger economy and administrative infrastructure of the Empire to sustain them, trade systems, large public works and educational systems all collapsed, contracted into local versions or died out in western Europe. And waves of invasions by various Germanic peoples, Avars, Moors, Magyars and Vikings made mere survival a higher priority than things like preserving books or maintaining road systems.
The idea that Christianity caused or significantly contributed to the fall of the Western Empire has long since been rejected by modern historians. It clearly wasn't a significant factor, since while the Western Empire collapsed, the equally (or even more) Christian Eastern Empire continued for another 1000 years without collapsing and without any "Dark Age".
>>52435903 >hat's what Stallman is, a pretentious faggot. He may have the 'right' to call himself a doctor since he has an honorary degree, but exercising that right makes him a huge fucking attention seeker. In case you haven't noticed by now, he doesn't give a shit what you call him. It's academia, with their faggot political correctness that decides to label him that.
>>52436035 That's true but imho, honorary doctorates don't deserve titles. While Stallman is autistic about many things, his title is not one of them. He doesn't care what you call him as long as it's not the "father of open source". He's not really absorbed in academia or formalities. He eats shit from his foot and takes off his socks during speeches.
>>52436147 Sorry the world is not as simple as you want it to be. Plan9 was great on paper, just like a bunch of *isms and expensive architectural plans that never made it past the drawing board. It failed completely in the real world while being perfect on paper because getting an OS to be adapted is a long complex process. GNU was well rounded enough with innovation, open licensing, and stability to make it.
>>52436281 tons of core utils glibc a long list you can read yourself on the site. Tons of code that has been absorbed into other projects. You seem to think that everything that isn't labeled "le innovashiun" by a proprietary corporation is non existent. >So where is all this great research in GNU linux? I don't know. Why don't you look in the CS and research department of any famous academic establishment. I'm sure they're running XP or inferno as core research topics and not GNU/Linux.
Go look at the corporate research done for servers and supercomputers. It's dominantly based on GNU/Linux and its derivatives. All this stems from GNU components and derivatives. You would see it more clearly if GNU wasn't free software that decided to lock and sue for the use of their code
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