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I'm sick of the pro-SSD shilling. Reminds me of used car salesmen.
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>>52426721
It is good for laptops
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If it were up to you people, 5400rpm would still be the standard for HDDs because *insert bullshit opinion here*.

The same people who are shitting on SSDs spend stupid amounts of money buying WD reds, running them in raid 0 for muh speed and when the first drive fails after 1 month of use you just sit behind your computer as if it's still working trying to cope.

>But muh HDD

I've got over 2 tb of storage for media but everything I want to open quick I have on my SSD. I just upgraded all of my computers with SSDs because I just couldn't get used HDDs and slow everything.
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>>52426330
After using an ssd you will never go back
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why do people always use the shitty kingston drives as op?
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>>52426876
Cheapest drive.
They haven't heard of the bait-and-switch.
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>>52426861
You don't realize how fast it is until you have to go back.
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>>52426721
Unlike the subjectivity of a used car, SSDs are objectively better than HDDs.

No ifs, buts or preference. They are quantifiably superior.
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>>52426721

fallout 4 takes over a minute to load on 7200RPM HDD's. Fallout 4 takes 10 seconds to load on a 4 year old SSD.

This is a practical example that may be useful to you.
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>>52426933
Found the shill!
That was a quick game.
OP, make another thread?
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>>52426805
It uses less power than a hdd and gets the job done quicker, resulting in even less energy consumption.

>>52426721
SSDs are shilled for good read/write speeds, but 2bh a good western digital black can offer very decent sustained r/w while offering better value/GB. The main advantage of the ssd that mechanical drives don't stand a chance against is seek times. It's everything loads so much faster. I've seen my scorpio black sustain read speeds of almost 200MB/s, boots up in around a minute, maybe a little less. My crucial mx100 still boots in less than 20 seconds even though it's definitely not 3 times as fast as a western digital black.

Remember, it's the seek time, especially when you factor in hard drive fragmentation, that gives SSDs their main advantage.
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>>52426721
Faster than hard drives
More expensive per unit storage
Smaller max capacity
More resistant to being dropped
More energy efficient
Much faster seek times
Need to be powered up occasionally to prevent data loss
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>>52426972
Nigger why do you insist on talking when you obviously don't know what THE FUCK you're talking about? I don't get it with you idiots, if you're stupid at least shut the fuck up.

Blacks aren't even the fastest WD's even blues are faster. I have a black for over 8 years and the switch to a SSD is fucking huge.
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SSD's are fantastic and anyone who talks shit about them is either can't afford one or is a RAID-0 shitter
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>>52426721
>Red-pill me
go the fuck back to Reddit you faggot
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>>52427037
>Need to be powered up occasionally to prevent data loss

what?
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>>52427213
If you don't turn them on once every 18 years, they'll lose a few bytes. Shit tech.
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>Bought an SSD two years ago
>Too lazy to install it
Its literally in my PC and setup I just need to plug it in. Help.
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>>52427097
At what point did I say anything against SSDs?

I never said it wasn't a big upgrade, I was just pointing out how it's an upgrade.

Please re-read my post again before replying.
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>>52427121

You'd have to be a new level of poorfag to not be able to afford an SSD. You can get a 850 EVO for what, 50 bucks?
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>>52426957

Outside of cost per GB can you give a single scenario in which a HDD is superior to an SSD?

They are flat out better, it's not an opinion.
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>>52427321
Dude get your shit together. They're brilliant for boot drives, and they make *everything* quicker. I managed a full Windows wipe & reinstall in less than 10 minutes, and the one in my daily rig gets to the desktop in 25 seconds.

There is zero going back after trying one, they're that good. 10/10 would "meme" again.
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>>52427617
I have an older WD Drive and boot into Windows 10 (with 500GB Used) in 1 Minute. Literally 30 Seconds Different. When I did a clean install last week it took 15 Minutes plus another 5 to install Updates.

So you saying it barely makes a difference, makes me less inclined to turn off the power and plug it in :^)
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>>52427617

Being able to completely switch OS in under 30 seconds is fucking amazing for dual booting too.
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>>52427647
Well you are right my man. They're faster for booting windows/programs, I don't think anyone has ever claimed something else, so if you don't want a faster booting of windows/programs you don't get them.
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>>52427121
>RAID-0 shitter
but performance!
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>>52427647
All that on a WD? Was it a velociraptor or one of their older HPDs? And did it ever degrade? That's really good for a HDD.
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>>52426721

Great boot time and a good speed boost over a mechanical hard drive. No need to find the fastest shit just get the ones everyone gets. Its only a small difference relativly speaking. Good for laptops.

Fuck that m.2 or pci connection shit. The only people who even see the speed difference are people transferring large files. Not many small ones. So basically ignore that shit unless you work in video or something.

Why bothering holding back arent we right at price parity now?
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>>52427432
>50 bucks
i wish
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>>52427097
>blues faster than blacks

uhh what?

If you're buying the latest generation of each, blacks are faster. Neither of them is the fastest WD. Probably Velociraptor or WD SAS Xe are fastest.
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>>52427213
If you don't turn it on once every few months, especially in warm and humid environments you risk data corruption.

Most people will be fine with once every 6 months but they've tested it and in the right conditions it's as soon as 3 months.

SSDs have amazing performance but really shit data retention compared to hard drives.
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>very fast
>physically reliable
>good ones will last a long time, bad ones will die in weeks
>cost more per gb, up to the user whether that's justified or not
>generally ideal setup is 7200rpm 1-3tb drives for media, 250gb good SSD for boot drive + programs
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>>52427948
>If you're buying the latest generation of each, blacks are faster
Do you have any resources on that? Blues have always been SLIGHTLY faster than blacks (I'd still get blacks)
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>>52426954
On my old laptop, win7 takes 10min from boot to usefulness on a 5400rpm. When I switched over to SSD? Literally 10 seconds
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>>52427997
>Blues have always been SLIGHTLY faster than blacks

You're retarded as fuck, mate.

(but real-talk, the speed differences are minimal. Black is 3% faster and has longer warranty)
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>>52426954

>i can load muh gayms bbbblazing fast!!

Like you don't have a minute to spare.

Now go to bed, grown ups are discussing things.
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>>52427997
okay...? lmgtfy...

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-771436.pdf

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-771434.pdf
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>>52426721
start by going to /pol/ for with your epic red pills you fucking tool
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>>52427904

>i wish

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Internal-120GB-2-5-Inch-SDSSDA-120G-G25/dp/B00S9Q9UKS
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>>52428064
I'm talking benchmarks not WD released spec sheets.
>>52428031
As for you, you can go fuck yourself you retarded bangwagoner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWD0g43ZoEk
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Is this worth a buy?
http://www.rakuten.com/prod/shivnet/291937659.html?ranMID=36342&ranEAID=lw9MynSeamY&ranSiteID=lw9MynSeamY-s6slB1TpS46Wnb7pcQBv3w&scid=af_linkshare&adid=18094&siteID=lw9MynSeamY-s6slB1TpS46Wnb7pcQBv3w

>Random Read/Write (IOPS): Up to 75/12 IOPS
Would this be annoying for everyday use?
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>>52426721
>calling people talking about ssd's "shilling"

are you fucking retarded?? there's no reason to not own an SSDs for at least 5 years now. OS sized SSDs have been sub-$100 for at least that long
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>>52428112
The biggest difference between blue and black is lifetime. My black is still rockin as hard as the day I bought it six years ago. Can't say the same for any blue I purchased.
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>>52428032

>increased performance is somehow irrelevant to this shitposter
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>>52428108
that's not 850 evo
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>>52428156
I have a 10 year old black and a 8 year old black I was just replying to the dude that said blacks were fast.
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>>52428032
by this logic you wouldnt buy a car since public transportation or walking is sufficient
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>>52428162

but it's below 50 bucks retard, kill yourself
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>>52428183
thanks you too
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>>52428183
>missing the point this hard
>getting defensive on an anonymous taiwanese antique carpet trading/appreciation forum
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>>52428180

Good analogy.

Just kidding, end yourself.

SSDs provide increased perfomance in loading video thumbnails for your anime library! Holy shit SSDs are so awesome!
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>>52428112
I guess if you're only buying a 1TB the blue may beat the black. That's the only capacity where the blue might win in performance - though this guy's benchmark results really don't line up with WD rated specs, so who knows whether he did it right anyway.

Compare the 2TB blue vs the 2TB black or any of the larger sizes and you'll see the black wins easily. Who buys a 1TB today anyway?
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>>52428218
>still provides no argument
>just continues to project and pretend that somehow more speed is worse
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>>52428112
>As for you, you can go fuck yourself you retarded bangwagoner.

lmao, he just repeated what I said.

"Blacks have always been faster"

Also, he has fucked testing modules. http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/WD-Blue-1TB-2012-vs-WD-Black-1TB-2013/1779vs1822

Like I said, there's a minimal difference but black still wins by 3%. Not worth the $20 markup though.
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>>52428236
It is worth the 20% solely for the extra longevity.
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>>52428208

>guy implies he can't get an SSD for 50 bucks
>show him a $50 SSD by SanDisk
>"that's not the 850 EVO xDD"
>850 EVO goes for about $60

Seriously end your life, your mom will get over it and nobody else will miss your stupid ass.
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>>52428218

oh so you can't afford SSD's can you?
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>>52428278

also the black has a dual-core processor, which allows for better load-balancing between multistreams of reading and writing.

I'm not sure how a simple synthetic benchmark could illustrate this though, but I'm sure you feel it more during actual use.
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>>52428291
>>guy implies he can't get an SSD for 50 bucks
no, he said you cant get an 850 evo for 50 bucks

which you cant

60 bucks sure
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>>52427993

don't even bother with the HDD for media, it's been shown now that unless you're doing 20GB of reads/writes a day with your SSD it has a lifespan of probably 8 years or more. Even if you are it'll still last 2-3 years.
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>>52428235

>>52428235

Trying to construct an argument over "I can load muh gaym faster" doesn't contribute to the discussion since, believe it or not, not everyone likes to play games here, let alone new games which are shit for the most part.

If you want to shill SSDs on the basis that you can cut up 20s of loading time to engage in time wasting activities I suggest you go to /v/.

On the other hand, OSs, basic applications, and heavy work-related applications like ArcGIS, Rhino, Premiere, etc. are better run off an SSD.

>>52428303

>u're poor!!

ah so we begin the "let's imply things about the guy I don't agree with" downward spiral. I'm out of here.
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I'm tired of posting normal text pasta. Have some greentext instead
>many times faster than a hard drive disk
>responsiveness means programs boot faster and the system is generally faster
>consumes little power, good for battery life
>no moving parts so it can't really scratch itself and die with a little push
>increasing capacities will soon leave HDDs behind, Toshiba is planning for a 128TB drive on 2017
>very reliable, knows exactly when it's going to die
>it will probably die after you do
>more expensive than the competition
There's other technical stuff like virtual memory, but it's another advantage. One thing that I want to mention is that apparently it doesn't retain data if it isn't used for a few weeks. I think it's bullshit considering I just grabbed an old Intel 520 SSD with everything intact. There's also Mushikin planning for a 4TB drive at $500 which is damn impressive considering 1TB drives like the 850 PRO cost $400 last year.

Yes, I didn't spell Mushkin correctly. HDDs won't go away anytime soon, I have loads of them, but I'd like for SSDs to take over even for archival purposes.
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>>52426954
What kind of shitty hdd did u have? Fallout4 takes literally 3 seconds to load on my old 5400rmp 1tb hdd.
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>>52428349
What? So you were really into SSDs but you just don't like the "muh geymz" argument?

Plus, I run circuit simulations to make a living and SSDs do make a difference here. During the design process it's very annoying to wait for stuff to load, or sim results to be written. It's not viable for longer sims though (2-3 day to week long) because you're going to wait for results anyway. And you can store whatever results you want to store in a dedicated storage with whatever security and reliability standards you have.
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>>52428278
this
once you go black
you never go back
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>>52426721

its mostly for I/O speed
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>>52428344
So you're saying you don't store more than 240gb of data on your computer?
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>>52427594
They spin!
Spinning is so much cooler than not spinning.
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>>52428457
You're a liar.
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>>52426721
The same stance applies to everything that anons on /g/ shill, except /tpg/ because they're pretty much literal used car salesmen with business laptops instead

Being said my MX100 runs mint like a charm on my T61p
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>>52427432
>samshit
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>>52427986
So one-day blackouts won't be a worry?
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>>52426721
When will the SSD meme meme end? SSDs are superior and nowadays as reliable if not more so than HDDs. Fact.

What everyone should be asking is if m.2 and PCIe SSDs are worth it over SATA at this moment. I've got the hardon for m.2 right now because of the form factor in all honesty.
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>>52428349
lol. what the fuck are you trying to say?
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I wish the SSDs are a meme meme would just die.
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>>52428344
I think he said that for cost reasons. SSD price per gigabyte is still unfortunately quite high compared to mechanical disks.
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>>52426721
Get an SSD if you do at least one of

* Run Windows
* Play vidya
* Know you need it for some other I/O bound task

If you use a sensible operating system and don't game, the speed increase from an SSD is only slight IME
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>>52432686
Forgot

* If you use a laptop
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>tfw you fell for the ssd meme 3 times
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>>52428031
My blue is faster than my black.

But that has more to do with the fact that my black is a lot older. So technically the warranty is longer on my blue as well.

:^)
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>>52426972
>>52427617
>>52427647
>Winfags think >60 second boot time is good

Installing an SSD cut my boot time from 11 to 6 seconds, so it wasn't really worth the investment IMO

Just save your money and use a proper OS instead of buying expensive hardware
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>>52432747
>proper OS
>using jen2 for anything useful

Come back when they have proper software
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desu I like having no spin-up time; but now that I have separation, then as long as I'm not torrenting I now need to spin up my HDDs
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>>52432760
I don't have time to waste with Meme OS, this is on Arch. Most other distros get <20s HDD boot time too
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Why the fuck are we discussing if an SSD is worth it?
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>>52432822
This. Why the fuck not have both?
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>>52432822
OP told us to
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>>52432822
Westen Digital and Seagate are getting desperate. There are going to be 128TB ssds next year. HDDs are finished.
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>>52432822

/g/ is a bunch of retards. Why the fuck wouldn't you get an SSD? There are plenty of benchmarks and even MORE plenty of user reviews about SSD's.

the "ssd is a meme" meme is srsly dumb as fuck and shouldn't even exist. Are people that stupid?

Nvm we are in /g/ ppl are really that stupid
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>>52428314
not that guy but where can you get an 850 evo for $60? the cheapest i could find is $70
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>>52432965
I ended up get a 120gb 850 evo for $30 after a mcafee rebate

Just have to wait for the sales, m8
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>>52426721
SSD is the new breaking bad. If you don't have it, go buy it. If you can't afford it, start saving, or use your credit card. Just get it dammit.
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The "SSDs are a meme" meme is nothing but an autism test. Anyone who gets baited by it is 100% assburger
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>>52432771
Lemme reword my reply

>proper OS
>using linux for anything useful

Come back when they have proper software
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For me it increased file reads with 10x and writes with 8x which makes apps start instantly and caching for apps a breeze resulting in more responsive apps in general, would recommend
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Just had my 6yo HDD crap up so i finally bought a SSD. Cant even understand how i lived without it. its amazeballs
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OP HERE !

Just to say thanks to you guys for taking part in my bait thread

You have been well and truly baited
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>>52433549
sure sure, whatever makes you feel better about your epic fail :D
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>>52432933
>srsly
>Nvm
>ppl
http://www.4chan.org/rules Global #2
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>>52428349
> Fallout 4
> Shit for the most part

Sounds like your gaming tastes are shit for the most part
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>>52432933
>getting triggered this hard
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>>52426899
Even a cheap SATA II Kingston drive will max out sata II speed
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I like my 1TB Blue. I have around 500GB used already on it, can I throw in another one and put them in Raid? I can't complain it's a good HDD, no noise, no heat, and pretty reliable
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Two things:

1.) if you can't immediately tell the speed difference between an SSD and even the best HDD, you're probably not on the right board
2.) if a Samsung 850 Pro seems expensive to you, you're definitely poor (e.g. a teenager or young adult w/o a real job)
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>>52426721
SSD's are only useful if you are gaymen or if you actually reboot your computer. Otherwise they are more expensive per GB and loading your music player or browser in 1 second instead of 3 isn't worth it.
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>>52426861
I went from SSD to HDD, ask me anything

PS: I have 64GB RAM
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>>52427125
It's from /pol/, not reddit.

>>52427993
http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
0.5 PB no problem.

>>52427904
>>52432983
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>>52426721
o-ok
>no mechanical parts
>no wasting time on seek-ing to data
>lower power usage, better efficiency
>extremely fucking fast
>even faster in raid 0

my current setup has 2 SSDs in hardware raid, with about 1 GB/s performance in both read and write. (and my old hdd for backup)
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>>52435711
I only have one question for you anon:
Why?

>inb4 ramdisk
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can install an OS on a ramdisk.
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>>52428026
>win7 takes 10min from boot to usefulness on a 5400rpm.

That's what happens when you have 100 running processes on boot.
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>>52426721
Ssd for OS, hdd for files. Best of both worlds.
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really fucking fast and they basically cost nothing now
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>>52436986
Anon should've disabled those 100 programs and he'll get 2 seconds boot up
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limited writes
you can literally run out of times you can write a file to your storage device
top
fucking
kek
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>>52426721
Kingston SSD a shit
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>>52437317
So how much do you write every day? 200 GB?
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>>52426954
Sounds like Fallout 4 is the problem here.
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>>52437317
Tech-savvy buyers who might be worried about SSD lifetime decreasing even as SSD capacity skyrockets should have their fears assuaged by the ridiculous number of writes the tested drives endured; the drive that survived the longest survived more than 2.4 petabytes worth of sustained writes

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/03/consumer-ssds-benchmarked-to-death-and-last-far-longer-than-rated/

Top LMAO

Your trusty HD would probably fail before that.
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>>52437401
It's almost like my animu.

>more than 2.4 petabytes
Technically it only survived 2.4 PB, but it's still remarkable nevertheless.
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>>52437401
>hdd
>not tape drive
literally begging for drive failure
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IIRC Hard Drives can theoretically last longer.
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>>52436905
caching your entire OS is as simple as running an antivirus scan
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>>52436905
you can even install OS on L3
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> SSD
Pros:
Small
Quiet
No moving parts
Fast

Cons:
Price

> HDD
Pros:
Cheap

Cons:
Slow
Moving parts always eventually fail
Noisy
Hot
Big

Honestly I got a sandisk ultra ii 750 gig SSD for $100 at a bestbuy last month, so I wouldn't even consider price to be a huge issue. You can get decent SSD drives on sale for 25% more than a HDD now. Quit being cheap and join the crowd.
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>>52437281
>and he'll get 2 seconds boot up

No, but he'll get max 30 seconds boot up, which is tolerable (and a vast improvement coming from 10 minutes considering that it was free).
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>>52432983
/g/ always says to wait for shit. if I waited as much as I've been told to I wouldn't have any parts
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>>52438292
I will jizz on your mother's grave
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>>52426721

Anons: HDD/SDD are little mini reprogrammable computers. If you use SATA they have DMA access to your memory and can fuck with you till the cows come home.
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While we're at it, are seagate and wd stocks plummeting "because cloud"? Don't storage services have to buy hdds, too? Are people just downloading a file three times instead of storing it because their connection is faster? Will the 4k resolution 3D3 VR revolution require massive local storage?
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>>52426721
SSD is not for everyone.
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>>52438411
Already beat you to it, that whore deserved to die
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>>52426721
Upgrading the RAMtoday, I realized my laptop had an extra bay for HDD/SSD.
I like to play video games on this laptop, on linux and windows.
Should I buy a SSD or a hybrid disk?
Should I put my OS on it, or rather the game files?

Pic from Heimatland.
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>>52426721
Ssd's in my experience have always failed before a hard drive has
And of course having the r/w limit on them is annoying
I still use my HDD's for all of my programs (excluding web browsers and such)
And I'm planning to get an extra ssd to use as cache for my slowest mechanical drive

>SSD good but flawed right now
>HDD good and less flawed right now
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>>52426933
>He believes that
>Not knowing the god tier engineering that went into the HDD
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>>52440260
Pro tip faggot. No consumer product has "god tier engineering". That's why they're consumer products.

Also SSDs are equally fast whether the read is sequential or not. Reads needing to be sequential is yet another disadvantage of HDDs
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>>52426721
Justify your position, ssds have proven superior in every test.
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>>52440260
>He believes the internals of every SSD look the same.
>He believes the board for an SSD is still this size inside of it.

If you're gonna shitpost at least try not to make yourself technologically illiterate, grandad.
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>>52440632
>>52440721
>He thinks SSD's are used in the data center
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>>52440260
You aren't even considering the negative effects of the rotational velocidensity on your data.
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>>52433244
How's it like living in 2000?
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>>52426805
>>52426855
>>52426721
>>52426861
>>52426933
samefag?

SSD's are better in most aspects except Price/Gb tho
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Hasnt magnetic data storage proven to be reliable as fuck for long storage?

How does HDD/SSD compare?
I know USB stix suck because theyre made out of garbo nand flash.
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Nigger I'm thinking about buying a laptop SSD to replace my 250 Gig in my G62 just as a fun project to do and having a faster startup doesn't hurt either. While I'm at it I'm thinking about changing heat goo and giving it a proper cleaning for cooler temps.

Also have recently put 8 Gigs up from 4 and I'm happy with the difference.

Am I doing anything wrong?
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>>52426721
They are the fucking shit.... until you want to access the bios. Never thought i would bitch about an os loading too fast.
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>>52444716
>heat goo
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It's worth mentioning a lot of people buy SSDs and don't want to reinstall, so they clone it over and stick with their shit 90s software that doesn't support trim and they don't see nearly enough of a boost and then call SSDs a meme.
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>>52445095
You know you can just spam the button as it turns on right?
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>>52445144
>doubles
I know it's called thermal paste, I just wanted to be random
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>>52426855
>running drives in a raid configuration not optimized for maximum redundancy
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I'm on the fence about buying one of these. How much of a difference in load times does it make? 100$ is a lot to spend to get 20 second boot times vs 1 minute boot times. If I get the little 250GB one, I'd probably be putting my OS's and some programs like photoshop on it. Will that really save me significant amounts of time? I'm a poorfag, so I have some skepticism as to whether the difference is worth it, but I'm open to being sold on the idea.
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>>52445728
This. I have a 240fb drive and am not sure, though I use my computer at least 6 hours a day, so...
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