He is a good kid, but Tesla are in for a rough ride due to reliability and fires. They will get though it though i guesss, unless hydrogen squashes batteries before tesla factory reduces battery prices enough
>>52418046 Branson just lives on his island fucking dumb whores like Mariah Carey all day. Musk is much more Jobs like. He is hands on and has input in everything. And i hear he has a temper like Jobs as well
>>52418092 I interned at SpaceX. Yeah he has a fucking temper and a half. His desk is on the same floor as everyone's else's. He's fired people for standing around his desk. That being said he wasn't around too much when I worked, be when he was with Gwyyne.
>>52417784 Jobs and Musk aren't close to Da Vinci . They are/were both just very good at convincing people that they were right. At least jobs actually made a viable business, Musk has been on government welfare for how long now? It's not hard to say "Muhhuh Im going to make electric cars and rockets" and then get all your money from the Tax payer. What that requires is lots of testosterone, ego and an average I.Q.
>>52417301 Genius, He knows tech stuff. I read his reddit ama & interviews, unlike most CEOs who just spout information about product features and upcoming releases, this dude KNEW stuff. Knew what problems arise in suggestions by redditors. Replied in full geek talk instead of yes/no answers. Also, so far he's achieved most of his predictions and goals. This guy knows his team/company. He knows what is achievable and what's not. Atleast better than the CEO of my company who comes up with ridiculous deadlines and stuff that is totally not practical.
>>52417301 Well, what is he doing that he's getting all this ultra-mega-uber-hype? Did he invent electrical cars? Did he invent the engine or something?
No, he's just the CEO of an electric cars OEM. And he's selling to a supersmall niche of usually rich folks.
But he's acting in the media as if he's leading some kind of perpetual revolution of innovation in people's everyday life.
Dude, you're just building a niche electric car, get over it, you didn't invent or innovate anything. Stop with this media whoring and stop being such a poser.
Just a kid who got rich too fast and suddenly got the Valley bug and thinks he's always on the verge of the next big thing, now he's acting like some king of superstar. When in fact, he's a bald nerd who runs a niche electric car company. Jeez.
He's a regular guy on a strange, weird ego trip. He made a car thats far too expensive for the average person (not just burgerland) and tossed some things into space. Yet, he hasnt made a scratch on anything beyond that.
I suggest you guys to read articles on waitbutwhy about musk before shitposting here>>52419225 >>52419160 He does this, because he didn't have enough money at the beginning to build cheap cars. The more tesla progresses the cheaper cars will get. It is his plan.
>>52419251 >Hyperloop This concept of transportation via pneumatic tubes is not new: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatic_tube It is or has been used in the past by the post. He probably derived the patent from this and extended its potential usage to human transportation. Was this concept even tested for safety, health effects, etc?
>Falcon Rockets are nothing new. Sure it's cool this is being done by a private company and that they managed to make the rocket be reusable, but personally I don't share this hype for space exploration. The costs of exploring space are so huge, anything you could possibly exploit from space could not cover these expenses. For the moment it looks like it will attract rich customers who want to be the first space tourists, maybe.
>>52419318 Personally, I was so hyped about the idea of an economy that doesn't run on oil a few years ago. But unfortunately, the alternatives are still so bad and inefficient, that I can't help but still see electric cars as toys for the rich. Personally, again, I would prefer that electric cars would become the norm, but the infrastructure is just not there yet. Not to mention there's a huge cartel of interests to keep selling oil, for different political reasons. I'd rather make this guy rich by buying an electric car, than make the Arabs rich and give them enough money to buy technology they could have never invented themselves and use it for religious purposes.
He wants shit to happen, so he goes out and makes sure it does. His biggest skill is in hiring the right people, look no further than SpaceX. The Merlin 1D is a fucking masterpiece and i'd be willing to bet musk himself had next to nothing to do with it, he just hired people who knew their shit, gave them everything they needed and then probably abducted their family and forced them to work 20 hours a day because he's clearly an evil mastermind who wants to rule multiple worlds as an immortal computer
>>52417301 Genius tends to be an overused word and hard to define so let's just say he's pretty smart, extremely focused and hard working, willing to take risks and lucky.
>>52417734 He definitely has an appetite for risk and seems to be completely unfazed when shit goes wrong.
>>52417784 Neither Jobs nor Musk are even close to da Vinci.
>>52418046 He is extremely involved in everything at SpaceX and generally very knowledgeable on many different aspects of design/production and the business side of the industry.
>>52418092 >And i hear he has a temper like Jobs as well I've worked within 50ft of him for a couple years now and generally don't get the sense he has a temper in the sense of yelling and screaming at people. I've very rarely seen him get in someone's face or yell. He can certainly be an asshole if he needs/wants to be, but he's generally much more passive aggressive or he'll just very causally make you out to be a complete idiot in front of your peers.
>>52418940 I would say that anyone with his amount of success requires a good bit of luck in addition to talent and hard work. However, the fact that he has been successful in multiple different ventures over an extended period, makes me believe he is something more than just a rich guy who got extremely lucky.
Musk is too calculating for that. If you have talent but he doesn't like you for some reason he would rather just work you into the ground and get everything out of you before you leave on your own.
>>52419129 He really does know his shit. He sits in on a lot of different group meetings and can absorb information extremely fast. The guy is really very bright.
>>52420674 This. Whatever your opinion on the Musk hype, and even I can agree that the media and pop sci fanboys tend to overhype him, he has bet a ton of his own money on trying to disrupt two industries that have some really monumental entrenched interests.
>>52419036 Way different though retard. Jobs made money from consumers buying his stupid hipster shit made in china. Musk advances science with his space program that doesn't to cater to any normal consumer market so relies on his grants and whatever money he personally invests into it. Id rather my gov give them the money rather than anyone else because they are doing their work cheaper and better than anyone before.
>>52423122 Can a software engineer/computer scientist (somehow I qualify as both, in my country) get hired at spaceX? Should I have something special on my resume to improve my chances? Do they pay well? I really wanna work there...
>>52423474 I'm assuming you aren't a US citizen or permanent resident in which case you'll have a really hard time getting hired due to ITAR. Not impossible as there are/have been some Canadians, Brits, and Australians here but they had years of experience and were top candidates and even then it's a huge pain in the ass to get them ITAR cleared.
In terms of resumes, SpaceX tends to run pretty lean and there isn't too much of a corporate bureaucracy, so anything that shows passion and independence is always looked highly upon.
I can't speak specifically to the software dev side of the house but in engineering, any kind of serious independent project always seems to garner a lot of attention. People here are generally given a fair amount of leeway in how the work, you get an assignment/project/deadline, and no one really gives a shit what you do/how you do it as long as it gets done on time correctly.
Its a pretty flat corporate structure, much more so than most big aero/defense firms and there isn't a lot of micro management so we like to see people who can work independently without always needing a babysitter.
Starting pay tends to be at or below industry averages. When you consider the fact that CA, and LA specifically are really expensive places to live and that you'll be expected to work longer hours then you would at most other places, the pay can be significantly less than elsewhere.
Pay does tend to normalize as you stay longer and in my experience after the first 2-3 years it's much more aligned with industry standards. Basically, we mostly start off underpaid but raises and bonuses come at a much faster pace then elsewhere.
We also have fairly high turnover so there are opportunities for advancement/promotions at a much faster rate than most traditional aero/defense corps.
>>52424030 No he isn't. He's not making profit because he's put significant capital into capital projects. His profit will come in the future when the infrastructure projects are done. He takes government cheques and he paid them all back.
>>52425355 >Post a badge with a timestamp. I won't post anything that wouldn't be trivial to fake anyway, so no.
There are around 4,000 employees at SpaceX now, it isn't some secret club and it shouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that some of us frequent this site. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one as I ran into another SpaceX anon on /fit/ once. There're also a couple of Boeing El Segundo/Long Beach guys and at least one ULA guy on /sci/ occasionally.
A question was asked and I proffered and answer as best I could, you can take it at face value or not, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
>>52426074 As long as you're not from N. Korea you should be ok.
I'm not sure what you do for work but if you can get involved in anything robotics/automation/rocketry related, even outside of work as a hobby, that will look very nice on your resume. Obviously, anything avionics related is good as well.
We have quite a few engineers in production/manufacturing that come to us from the automotive industry, although I'm not sure if this is common on the software side, so that could be an avenue as well.
Either way, you should spend some time familiarizing yourself with the history of the space program as well as gaining a general understanding of rocket launch and propulsion. It won't need to be super in depth but if you come in knowing a bit about the industry and what we do here you will have an advantage.
Also, since you won't be applying for a while I take it, if you do have any relevant hobbies or projects that showcase your passion and independence, make sure to document your progress thoroughly. I've seen cases where applicants had great side projects but they never really thought it would be important to document their work and it hurts their ability to communicate the importance of what they've accomplished during the interview process.
>Incredibly smart >Attends Ivy League College >Created a service that ended up competing with PayPal and made money >Merged with PayPal and got even more money >PayPal sold so now he's completely rich >Invests in clean energy because it's an obvious money maker
Honestly it's a mix of both, he's very intelligent but he was also lucky to get his money in the first place. He's probably going to be this generation's Bill Gates or Andrew Carnegie.
>>52426700 Tesla had adequate investor funding long before government gave him grant money to do business. The reason why actually he took on the government grant is because the government was granting them to any business owner who does research and development. That grant simply means that Tesla is capable of doing work more quickly which means the profits start rolling in a little more quickly. With the kind of business he's getting, it wasn't hard to repay that kind of money from the profits.
I didn't realize you're still in school. In that case, you should definitely see if your uni has a robotics team. If so join, if not, you might want to think about starting one if you think the talent and funds are available.
>>52426981 He doesn't really say anything if you read carefully. Very general stuff sprinkled with a few "details" which are meant to make the post credible. Do you really think former spacex interns lurk on /g/ wasting time with weeaboos and neets?
>>52421396 >The Merlin 1D is a fucking masterpiece and i'd be willing to bet musk himself had next to nothing to do with it
You do know that Musk personally penned the plans for first Merlin engine, right? The current 1D has had a lot of hands on it, but Elon set the whole ball rolling. He's very much capable of hardcore design work.
>>52429503 This. Doubting and shitposting every time some anon mentioned that they are employed in a decent job was funny back when i a 13 year shitposting /b/tard, but it just seems silly to do so now, especially on /g/ as many users here are college graduates working in industry, and also because i finally landed in a grownup job in August right after graduation.
>>52429503 Thanks for the input anon. I saw a couple guys talking on /sci/ once about him and how he's kind of a perfectionist/control freak about little things as one of the guys delivered papers and other stuff to his desk pretty often.
The discussion eventually devolved into ridiculous stories of him asking people to walk his dog a certain way, still wondering to this day if the first guy actually walked Elon Musk's dog.
>>52419452 >The costs of exploring space are so huge It's pocket change and peanuts compared to the obscene amounts of money that gets thrown at the military.
Let's also not forget that SpaceX has already dropped the costs of space exploration quite considerably (SpaceX is over 70% cheaper to anything available prior) and they're rapidly moving towards being able to quarter even those costs. Once they can land rocket stages as reliably as we can land airplanes, launching a satellite will cost something in hundred thousands instead of millions since the rockets are reusable and your only real costs are fuel and employees.
It's money well spent in my opinion. The vast majority of taxpayer funds get squandered on shit far, FAR less productive than what Musk is doing now.
>>52424757 What chance does a self-taught Mac+iOS engineer have at getting in? I imagine the prime skills would be C and maybe C++, both of which I can write. I'm a US citizen so that's no issue.
I'd kill to work there because it's one of the few places to work I can think of that might actually change the path of humanity for the better. Making consumer-oriented mobile apps pays well but it's not fulfilling at all.
>>52429591 Yeah, I think people sometimes forget not everyone shitposts for a living.
>>52429597 I actually joined that thread late and remember the paper guy. I think all the dog walking stuff was in jest, never seen Musk with a dog, plus he has assistants for that shit.
>>52429768 >What chance does a self-taught Mac+iOS engineer have at getting in? Without knowing much else about you I would say those are pretty long odds, however I'm not a good source of info on the software side of things.
I will say that we do have in-house UX/UI designers/programmers for avionics and this is a department that will probably be growing in size over the next 1-2 years, not sure if that would suit you.
Managers get pretty wide latitude in who we hire. A couple of years ago when we grew almost 500 people in one year we were hiring tons of people with no experience for our trade skills. A friend of mine oversees composites and he hired someone who's primary work experience was as a restaurant cook. That guy is still with us and is now a shift supervisor.
Its also relatively easy to move departments once you've settled in.
I'd say the biggest challenge would be getting past the initial HR folks. Our interview process always includes meeting with the department/group managers and leads, if you can get to that point and impress someone then no one will hold it against you that you're self taught and lacking aerospace experience.
>>52429631 >SpaceX is over 70% cheaper to anything available prior I like SpaceX, but you're a dolt if you think that SpaceX isnt mooching off the years of R&D put into the mathematics and physics and mechanics and chemistry already done.
>>52430971 No doubt but it's great that someone is actually taking advantage of all the work done up until now, because Boeing/Lockheed/etc sure as hell weren't. If it were up to them we'd still be buying stone age rockets from Russia 50 years from now.
>>52429503 Then post a badge with blurred out personal details. I asked this some time ago and you refused.
Don't patronise me, I worked in better places than spacex.
>being gainfully employed doesn't necessarily preclude one from wasting time on /g/ Yup, it's part of the spacex productivity routine to shitpost on /g/.
Hey, didn't this Musk guy come to you personally to tell you to shitpost on /g/? Tell us more about how close you were to this guy out of thousands of employees, that you can talk about it on /g/!
How many people in a company get to see the CEO out of thousands of employees, that they can already talk about their personality and stuff like that? Surely, just seeing the guy is enough to know enough, right?
>>52417639 Given that how many transplants it takes to make it look that good I would say he had FUE done. That and he is billionaire so he could of had a ridiculous number of transplants. Robots can now do parts of surgery and they are slowly getting them to do more and more. If you are rich and loosing your hair there is hope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LKyQqbNfq0
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