>Requesting purchase advice:
>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
Time to order some Mad Dogs before it's too late.
Shame the Alphas aren't available in black anymore.
They sound muffled, they are close to the Momentum in measurements but I'll give the edge to the Momentum because it has more gain in the lower treble which makes it sound more natural.
>poor man amp/dac
>Budget - $200 (maybe $300 with an amp)
>Location - US
>Source - PC. Asus Maximus VI Gene z87 with supremefx audio right now
>Preferred type of headphone - over ear
>Open or closed - Open
>Comfort level - Above Average
>Preferred tonal balance - neutral
>Preferred music - Indie Rock/Electronic/Trance
>Past headphones - Sony MDR-7506
Again, looking to spend $200 on headphones, maybe $300 including an amp. Been looking at the AKG K7XX, but of course I only have 4 days to make the decision there before the drop ends. Wondering if anyone has any input for/against them.
what about measurements existing means its the only metric someone goes off of? why cant one do both? and why do you not even include them in your "ways of knowing what something sounds like"? afraid they might perhaps show something you dont want to see?
Someone else can clarify, but I believe the K7XXs are basically a more bassy version of the K702s. If you could find some K702s for cheaper than $200, used or something, it might be worth it to you. I ordered K702s a couple days ago based on advice from people here and they haven't even arrived yet, so I can't tell you my opinion on them yet, but I also considered the K7XXs briefly before ordering the K702s. I bought mine used on amazon for about $170
these have an ass terrible mic but they actual headphones are pretty good.
I just lost my Soundmagic E10s and I'm thinking of making a small upgrade.
Are the E80s worth it, or are there better IEMs in the ~$50 range?
Balance isn't a huge deal, but preferably something neutral to bassy.
LG QuadBeat 3. It's neutral in mids/highs but has a bass boost that's mostly sub-bass.
K701, K702 and Q701 are the same internally. K7XX and K712 are different.
You can EQ a M50 to sound like an X2 and better.
just go with k7xx they have superior memory foam pads for better comfort and bass. at worst you swap the pads for $40 and have a black q701 but if if you get the k/q701s upgrading the pads will cost $90 from akg
You can EQ the bass response on the M50 to sound more desirable to your ears or to a flatter response based on available frequency response graphs online.
So the answer to your question is yes.
guys i have this genius marketing plan. seriously hear me out.
we spend all our money to first make a quite neutral headphone. doesnt have to be perfect, just pretty good. once we have it, and it gets pretty good reviews, lets make shitloads of other models based on it, with very minimal changes in the FR for each one. not so minimal that you cant hear anything though - no, you need to be able to hear something, but it should still be quite subtle.
now everyone is not only going to be praising our original, but talking about all our other successful models. not only will they say were great because of how many neutral models we have, but people will spend time talking about which ones are -actually- the best after extensive useless measurements. not to mention, they will also argue about it, tooth and nail like audiophiles always have about theirs obviously being the best one. not only will this create tons of posts everywhere to give our brand massive free advertising, but tons of people will end up buying many of the models - just to hear it for themselves! were going to be rich.
oh wait, someone already beat me to the punch... AKG.
>Is EQ really everything?
To sound quality? Strongly, but not quite all of it. Headphone listeners tend to very strongly underestimate how much sound quality is just EQ, but it is still not all of it.
There was a study showing several headphones equalized to the same target. Rating went something like
The much maligned Bose is rated just as good as the Stax flagship after EQ. The other headphones performed below that, the Sony in particular being considered subpar with the same target.
For IEMs, it usually is the entire sound quality. A well picked in-ear for like 20 bucks gives you very excellent sound after EQ, even if the FR is screwy.
I hate being a looksfag, but I love how my monoprice 8323s look with the white replacement pads.
Also, they still sound pretty great for the price point.
Is Yodobashi Camera a decent place to buy from?
I would like to buy a decent pair for the flight home so I'm looking for a physical purchase but I don't know how their prices are comparatively to other stores in Tokyo.
*stock FR is screwy
Distortion is also generally very low with the cheap in-ear sets, and higher on more expensive ones. The dynamic driver present advantages in linearity over the balanced armatures found in pricier in-ears, although you could counter that the armature distortion can be managed.
>So what's the rest?
Non-linearity was being considered in general, the goal of the study was to identify ways to analyze distortion measurements. You can read the study yourself on the /g/wiki if you like, its name is "The Correlation between Distortion Audibility and Listener Preference in Headphones".
THD sorta works as a predictor of "badness", but the "non-coherence" analysis seemed to make the distinction most clear between the worst rated headphones.
Can I have some suggestions?
Budget: 300$ CAD
Source: USB port most likely
Preferred type: Full sized
Open or closed: Closed
Comfort level: Preferably high as I will use them quite a bit
Tonal balance: Bassy
Preferred music: 80's rock, electronic, dubstep
Past headphones: Steelseries Siberia V2
>when your $200 speakers are infinitely more enjoyable and better sounding than your $1600 headphones
Just cuck my shit up, senpai.
At some point in the not-too-distant-future when I move and get a better room I honestly see myself selling these to get better speakers, not gonna lie.
are you daft? in the very post you link to, its quite obvious he continues to use his hd800s but regrets his inability to use speakers full time because of his living arrangements.
your iq must be sub 90 if you cannot figure out what i just explained from his post
hes saying he wants to get better speakers. if someone that has enough money to buy hd800s doesnt like their hd800s, they will sell it, buy what they thought was better, and then change their picture
More or less what I'm implying is, in my experience, headphones can't and probably never will hold a candle to good loudspeakers. It may just be a preference thing. I won't be letting go of the HD800S anytime soon, the comfort is god-tier and the large windows in my room leak a lot of sound to the neighbour so I try to use headphones late at night.
oh i see. i suppose he could be, but thats still nothing much to do with the first poster. he likes his hd800s the most, he just wants to use speakers because he thinks theyre better... thats still plainly obvious
ditch his favorite headphone? why?
right, hd800s might be his favorite but it's not too impressive regarding fidelity.
Now I haven't heard it but I don't care to
Besides that point, the LSR305s are decent speakers which I've had the pleasure of hearing
Was also touching on the general misconception people seem to have that a speaker setup comparable to, say a $100 headphone, will cost you at least $600-$1000 and that TOTL headphones are equivalent to kilobuck/5digit speakers.
I was asking to be sure. And I recall us having a conversation about his gear purchases before.
Some months ago:
>I want to get a Benchmark DAC2
>I would recommend [something else]
>I can get it used for cheap and I live in Nowhere, New Zealand, so [something else] isn't for sale locally, and it isn't on used market
An undervalued customs declaration later, his DAC2.
>orders HD 800S from Jan Meier, priced about the same HD 800 locally
>posts about delivery updates from time to time
I missed out on the why he picked 800S.
The latter by far.
Also the latter is more comfortable.
The HD280 Pro's niche over the Sony was that it is better for noisier environments because it has a tighter clamp which gives it better isolation.
I think you recommended the Lynx Hilo, but that was more expensive anyway.
>I missed out on the why he picked 800S.
Because of the shape of the earcups/comfort, detachable cables and similar sound sig to my 880s. Also their resale value, being Senns. The main thing that held me back with the HD800 was the sibilance/crazy 6KHz peak so when I saw the measurements showing the S had addressed it well, I was sold.
Also my previous audition of the HD800 led me to believe they'd sound better at home than in-store and possibly be more comparable to my speakers, but I guess not.
If there were a headphone with the HD800 enclosure and an HD650 sound sig I think go for that over this though.
In any case the option to sell is always there, especially when the local price of these is going to be at least $400 more than I paid.
Nah I just never bothered registering and posting there, I guess it becoming SBAF made me change my mind for some reason. Anax's mods never really addressed the peak that well anyway. Also he was autistic about HD800s, I've seen posts where he'd brag about how he went to shows and none of the speakers compared to his 'amazing' HD800 setup which made me laugh.
Damn, thank you for this post desu
Anybody who has heard a wide range of headphones knows they are garbage, if they are your only pair of headphones you'd never know any better.
What headphones do you people use when leaving the house that aren't earbuds? I'm using the AKG K518 but I hate the cord on it since it stands straight up and it's really easy to break. Are there any decent portable headphones that have a removable cord or are bluetooth headphones worth buying?
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anyone know of any in ear phones that are durable? I honestly don't care any more if they sound like shit I just don't want them to disintegrate whenever anything so much as looks at them funny
failing that I think I might buy as many 5 dollar headphones as I can and think of them as disposable.
It kind of puzzles me how little studies there are being done of these and how small they are. Are the effects of already well known or is there not enough interest or money to fund studies of it? Do you have any insight on this? Or maybe it's just the plethora of misleading and wrongful information from the consumer audio industry and online communities giving me this idea.
What makes you like speakers more? I find listening to speakers on my desk far less enjoyable than headphones. But the same pair of speakers in a better room and listening position are definitely better than any of my headphones.
>microphone stops working
>ask /hpg/ to pick new headphones for me
>place an order for HyperX Cloud 1
>figure out next day microphone was just turned off, and it works perfectly
>yes, am i that retarded
Should i cancel the order or are they worth it over my current GameCom 388?
>ask /hpg/ to pick new headphones for me
>place an order for HyperX Cloud 1
This would never happen, unless you gave a site with shit stock and then replied "THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE HERE" to better recommendations
they beat every other headset, but I would still cancer for better options
Alright. Picking them up in an hour or so.
Retailers in my country are shit, so i'm guessing there was no better alternative.
Pic related is the choices i had.
>What makes you like speakers more?
Treble linearity/smoothness, actual soundstage, sound is more enveloping (I'd expect this to be more the case for headphones but apparently not) plus the convenience of them. The only thing headphones have over them for me is bass impact (unless you have a fuckhuge sub) but with the HD800/S the drivers being further from your ears kinda eliminates the impact of it anyway. I know it's kind of a copout to say this but right now I can't even think of what exactly makes me go for the speakers most of the time, I just know when I listen to them that they're my preference.
I think I'll pick up a UMIK-1 later on to get a rough measurement for some EQ and maybe even throw together a cheapo headphone measurement rig.
>They look odd with those holes on the grills.
They kinda do yeah but I still think they look better than with the plate on. I tried asking if I could get DT880 pro grill replacements but they only replace the entire cup and if I sent in premiums for replacement pro cups I don't know if they'd even go with it. It's funny because when I was first looking at buying them I preferred the look of the Premium but later on I started preferring the Pro more, aside from the black yoke.
And probably good enough for a pleb like me.
Like >>52414551 pointed out, i want headset.
I'm way too lazy to glue a mic to the headphones if that's a thing, and a desk mic would just get in the way.
Shipping also costs quite a lot.
Had to google those words.
An attachable microphone sounds like its too much of a hassle to constantly adjust and move around with.
Maybe if you attach it to the headphones themselves and join the cables somehow.
the zmmic attaches to the headphone's cable, it has some small clips to attach to the headphone's wire all along the wire, but those are pretty shit
if you're not super hardcore, just get a fiio e10k, it doesn't have a ton of imputs or a lot of options, it's just a very decent dac/amp
Sale right now on massdrop
>it already ended again
>anon asks material to study
>people recommend products
Besides E10k is not the option for everything, even if it's good for the price.
/g/ wiki has the link to a collection of papers uploaded to mega which you should check out. Hydrogenaudio wiki is a good source for information as are the Hydrogenaudio forums. NwAvGuy has great articles in his blog. You should read through it. It's explained in layman's terms so anyone can understand. Also we have the one anon here occasionally who is very knowledgeable of audio related stuff. He corrected some stuff regarding damping factor concept which NwAvGuy talks about in the blog. Not making him to spoonfeed info but he might be able to provide some places or sites to read about. Signals both digital and analog, psychoacoustics and circuits are all related to each other if you want to get a full picture of how things work and how they are perceived in actual listening. Here are two videos to watch about digital signals:
JUST GOT MY ATNIGGERBASS M50X GUISE
they sound just like I expected
However I expected them to be tighter. Are people just over exaggerating when they say they're tight or did they change them to be less tight? I fear that they fly off my head when I move fast to the music
what's also funny is that when I use them on my PC the bass is just.... too much for whatever reason. Checked if any bass enhancements are enabled but everything is set to stock.
on my tablet (samshit pleblaxy tab s2 9.7) and phone (nexus 5) it sounds fine, way less bass.
>Budget - $100 - $300
>Location - Sweden
>Source - Fiio E10k
>Preferred type of headphone - over ear
>Open or closed - Both
>Comfort level - Comfort af
>Preferred tonal balance - neutral
>Preferred music - Old school hip hop.
>Past headphones - M50X, Fidelio X2.
So what is it about the tightness of the M50X? when i move my head fast back and forth the headband lowers until i can feel the cups wanting to slide off my head to the front. not tight enough.
>what's also funny is that when I use them on my PC the bass is just.... too much for whatever reason
my desktop is like this, the back headphone jack is fine, the one on the front of the case is nobass, dunno why.
>and im sorry but they have no bass and i want some punchy bass but not to tight like my old x2. Neutral with punchy bass
seems like you're a nigger that doesn't want to come out of the closet about being a nigger
maybe get the HD650s, which are one of the most nigger of open headphones
>all these sennheiser shills
im sitting in front of my pc so im actually out of the closet but i like the punchy bass on the hd600. You are probobly that nigger liking nobass headphones and cringin all the fucking time.
> and im sorry but they have no bass and i want some punchy bass
Then it means that you're more of a basshead and that a neutral headphone wouldn't probably be the best for you. The HD600 won't grant you a better bass than the K702. Have you tried to enbale the bass boost on the E10K while testing the K702? You could look for a HD650 (but it may be too expensive for you) or, even better, for a Beyer DT880 250/600 ohm.
>but not to tight like my old x2.
X2's bass is everything but tight, dude. It bleeds into and overshadows other sounds too frequently.
>we have negotiated exclusive pricing with a freight forwarding service to help certain individuals join this drop. If you join, please understand that you are purchasing this product and it will be delivered to a US address. It will then be processed for international shipping by a third-party forwarding company. Tracking will be provided.
>At check-out, international orders will be charged $25 for the third party freight forwarding service. You will need to input your shipping address as per a normal drop.
should still ship just fine
do you have ATH M50X?
When you suspend them in mid air by holding 1 earcup are they so tight that the cups barely touch?? i fear that mine might be worn out or something so they arent as tight -.-
>It can be me being retarded when listening to headphones
No it's not, it's simply a matter of different sound taste. If hip hop is all you listen to, I recommend you to stay with the X2.
prepare for a lot of complaints
most reviews will probably be from the first batch when there were some manufacturing problems
The K7XX are basically the K70...2? Anniversary Edition
So you could check those reviews for non massdrop exclusive reviews
If you can push the 300 budget, HD 600.
>You'll need something better than an E10K
>maybe get the HD650s, which are one of the most nigger of open headphones
They don't sound niggerbass at all.
anyone rec some heavily isolating headphones?
my pair of hm5's broke for the second time and im not waiting half a year for them to reship the broken pieces
by the way dont ever buy brainwavz hm5 unless you dont mind that they break within a year
do the dt 770s isolate a lot?
> i really want some crispy mids on my headphones...
Are you sure that you want this? Mids aren't as important as bass in hip hop.
> Do u think AD900 is a option?
From what I know many open AT lack bass. If K702 sounds like no bass for you, I doubt that you'll enjoy AD900.
how much does sennheiser pay you to sit on this board all day and shill their shit products
>lol fuck off faggot, sennheiser sucks in my opinion. in my OPINION. they just ain't for me.
>ain't for me
The level of IQ on people who are fixated on a fucking brand right here folks.
I'm not fixated on a brand though, i am open for new brands and am strongly against fanboyism, not only when it comes to headphones but also smartphones, cars and other products so wtf are you on about?
>You can though because the E10K won't drive 600s properly.
Stop posting. E10K is completely fine for HD 600. HD 600's voltage sensitivity is below average but E10K has plenty enough for them. HD 600's power draw is rather small because of the high impedance. E10K has limited output power but once again enough for the HD 600. To compare, the aforementioned K702 has higher power draw and a tad bit lower sensitivity than the HD 600 but it too should be fine with the E10K.
>You would know this if you've ever listened to them
Fuck off to Head-Fi with your garbage subjective impressions with no basis to real world drive requirements of headphones.
indeed. your point? I never shilled for sennheiser on any board. i am just more neutral now because i am happy about my new headphones ^.^. so if you like sennheiser then so be it.
ALSO CHECK OUT MY NEW HEADPHONES
Jesus christ you're an idiot. Just sell this poor sap headphones his usb-powered amp won't be able to drive so he can come back in a week asking why his 600s sound lifeless.
Dumb dumb dumb dumb.
stay sour faggot
THEIR NIGGABASS IS GREAT
HUNNID BAND HUNNID BAND DROPPED ON THE HEAD OF ANY NIG WHO WANT IT MAN
I am listening to my HD600s with an O2/ODAC combo right now. I have conversely listened to them with an E10K and also onboard audio. They sound like shit with the latter two, narrow, tinny and lifeless.
But you're the expert here, keep up the great recommendations to people who don't know any better when they can get better sound quality for less considering their equipment. ;^)
USB can deliver way more power than what is required for driving almost any headphone. This has nothing to do how the amplifier draws its power anyway.
>so he can come back in a week asking why his 600s sound lifeless.
What? And since you seem to be so certain that E10K can't power HD 600s, you must be able to explain why that is. Output power and voltage are sufficient, output impedance is very low and that's mostly a non-issue with 300 Ohm nominal headphones anyway. There will not be shifts in the frequency response due to the low output impedance, distortion will not be audible because of the relatively low power draw, voltage is high enough for a loud listening volume... What else is there? What is lifeless?
Check measurements, not manufacturer specs which don't even state the conditions of those.
> Check measurements, not manufacturer specs which don't even state the conditions of those.
Measurements have nothing to do with a headphone sensistivity, unless you're talking of a different kind of sensitivity. Also both the K702 sens and the HD600 sens which are declared by the manufacturers are right.
There they are. I'm >>52414294
Holy fuck this is so much better.
>Measurements have nothing to do with a headphone sensistivity
IF and Personalaudio.ru measure the sensitivity of the headphones.
Problem with the manufacturer specs is once again the lack of conditions stated. Averaged measurement from 20Hz-20kHz of a sample at a certain frequency?
>The HAMT-1 headphones by oBravo deliver a uniquely audiophile-friendly sound, one that helps bridge the gap between the traditional audio world (that doesn’t ‘do’ headphones) and today’s buyers (who don’t ‘do’ loudspeakers).
Greetings, /hpg/. I'm from /wt/ and I need advice on audio shit. I'm building a cheapo timegrapher, and I'd like to know if there's anything wrong with this setup:
>Ebay piezo mic with 6.35mm mono jack (pic is what I'm getting)
>6.35mm to 3.5mm mono adapter
>mono jack into PC (pink or blue?), or smartphone plug
Would these work or do I need some amplifier or some something? I'm a watch guy and not an audio guy so I don't know shit about these things, but a real timegrapher machine is kinda expensive.
Anyone? I'm not seeing any other audiophile general for this question.
Watch thread. I'm building a diy timegrapher, a device that measures the accuracy and condition of a watch by listening to the ticking.
>It kind of puzzles me how little studies there are being done of these and how small they are.
Audio distortion has been a topic for research for many decades. The Audio Engineering Society usually publishes someone's research paper on the subject a couple times a year. There has been some difficulty in relating how we can measure distortion and how we hear it, which has been the main difficultly in understand distortion.
>Are the effects of already well known or is there not enough interest or money to fund studies of it?
It's definitely not cheap to perform a study with a large sample size. Securing trained listeners makes this more difficult.
It's also generally understood that good quality modern drivers don't have much of a problem with distortion.
A single tone covers up the ear's ability to hear other tones in a similar frequency range, the distortions. This is skewed to frequencies above the tone, so for those very high frequencies, or lower frequency behavior, they are still clearly heard.
In most tests, complex music with many sounds and tones usually makes distortions more difficult to hear. Simpler music pieces, an instrument solo for example, tend to make distortions easier to hear.
There is no reason to assume you can hear anything below the minimum threshold of hearing. This also places a limit on how much distortion can be heard, besides the masking tone.
How this comes together and limits of detectable distortion is more ambiguous, especially with loudness effects.
>Or maybe it's just the plethora of misleading and wrongful information from the consumer audio industry and online communities giving me this idea.
If the researchers and engineers are having a hard enough time with this, how could the layperson possibly know?
>So if I plug the mono connector into the PC it'll just receive the same mono signal on both left and right channels?
Mono doesn't work like stereo, you know.
Considering the microphone is just one channel. It should work normally
>mixing headphones in your imagination
Oh, that neat. Usually genuine retailers are always checking out that "luxurious clicking timing" for you guys are craving for. I blame the jewelry merchant for this
770 closed/880 semi-open/990 open
For neutrality maybe the 880 on the beyer side.
>inb4 hd600 is still the better option
why dont you try to get tube amps working with a mechanical watch? that way we could bring the threads together, where everyone would surely be very happy, plus you get get extra high ticking resolution and detail through a quality tube amp. what could go wrong
And you guys are shitting on mechanical watches? We've been using transistors since 1960.
oh you took that seriously? concerning
that said, these threads definitely have their own version of you running around.
HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ABOUT IT LIKE THAT! THERES NO HARM IN COLORING THE TICK A BIT IF ITS GOING TO BE BETTER
nothing sound quality wise. the cable is coiled and the clamp is tighter on the pro version. as far as impedance goes, you want to try and go with the 250ohm, but it might not get loud enough for some content without an amp
Magic, basically. The tuning fork oscillates and the jeweled, thinner than hair pawl fingers attached to it drive the index wheel, one teeth at a time, 360 times a second (360Hz). The gear teeth are basically microscopic and they can never ever be touched or your skin will just sand them down immediately.
When Bulova tried to make a limited run of the watch in the late 2000's they almost failed, the technology was just to sophisticated, even though Accutrons were originally made in the 60's. The only way the Soviets were able to make a similar tuning fork watch is by reverse-engineering Khrushchevs gift Accutron (Slava Transistor).
No. That's your opinion, HD598 is clearer than most Beyer shit anyways. Clarity is mostly due to the 2-5kHz area.
No wonder HD598 sounds veiled, that receiver probably has a shitty high impedance value on its headphone output.
HD600 if you really want neutral.
>>Budget - 300€
>>Location - Finland
>>Source - PC. Asus STRIX RAID DLX
>>Preferred type of headphone - Over ear
>> Open or Closed - closed or semi-open
>>Comfort level - Above Average, for 4-6 hour continued usage
>>Preferred tonal balance - neutral
>>Preferred music - Electronic/Pop/Trance/Ambient/Rock
>>Past headphones - Sony MDR-XB300
I want to test PC sound card before even thinking about getting amp unless it´s necessary.
The Wikipedia page is pretty clear about it.
>Bulova’s "Accutron" watches, first sold in October 1960, use a 360 hertz tuning fork instead of a balance wheel as the timekeeping element.
>The tuning fork was powered by a one-transistor electronic oscillator circuit, so the Accutron qualifies as the first "electronic watch". Instead of the ticking sound made by mechanical watches, the Accutron had a faint, high pitch hum which came from the vibrating tuning fork.
A little bit of the physics behind watches and headphones, and an excuse to explain how damping works.
Force can be expressed as the acceleration of a mass (Newton's laws of motion). Conversely, force can be expressed by the stiffness multiplied by the displacement of the object (Hooke's law) .
As a formula:
>Force = mass*acceleration + stiffness*displacement
An ideal resonator would thus ring forever at a very specific frequency unless the force was transferred out of the system. and the resonator experiences no internal friction.
This is quite unrealistic, so we add in friction. The force of friction is proportionate to the velocity, so a formula would be written like
>Force = mass*acceleration + friction*velocity + stiffness*displacement
>F = ma + cv + kx
The friction from velocity gives the damping of a system in a direct relation. You don't need to solve the equation, it's there to show how they relate.
In engineering, with a little mathematical rearrangement we have:
>0 = a + 2*ζ*ω + x*ω^2
Omega is the frequency of the resonator, 2*ζ is the total damping factor of system.
The inverse of 2ζ gives us the important part we are looking for: Q factor.
As a formula:
>1/2ζ = Q
Those of you who have used a parametric EQ (ex. Equalizer APO) have probably heard of Q factor in setting up your EQ. This is not a coincidence, this is referring to the (lack of) damping in a resonator.
>Asus STRIX RAID DLX
that not even audio related
>I want to test PC sound card before even thinking about getting amp unless it´s necessary.
Don't bother buying those gimmicks. A portable dac/amp would do better; E10k, schiit fulla.
The DT880 would suit your preferred music.
>>Preferred tonal balance - neutral
Are you saying you want studio monitors?
Either way if you live near Helsinki I'd suggest you to go and audition some headphones in the various HiFi stores around the city. They have some pretty good experts to recommend you stuff also.
I have looked long time ath-m70x headphones, because ath-m50x sounds way too bassy. Problem with m70x is that they might be too neutral for general home listening. Another anon recommended DT880s so I think I will get one of those. Thanks for your help and time.
> Clarity is mostly due to the 2-5kHz area.
Not him, but this is exactly the reason why K702 and DT880 sound clear, while your headphones sound veiled to anyone except you.
>No wonder HD598 sounds veiled, that receiver probably has a shitty high impedance value on its headphone output.
Are you trying to justify the horrible sound quality of the HD598 by blaming the amp? This is really cute.
I think that they'll appreciate your work at Hannover, Franz. Good job!
How does damping, or lack of it, relate to a watch?
Q refers to the tightness of the resonator over frequencies. A watch needs a very precise and stable reference frequency to keep time, a very pure frequency tone. It won't work to have your resonator output other frequencies besides the precise one you want to reference. Damping is undesirable in a watch.
Tuning forks are designed to create these pure tones acoustically, and usually have a Q factor in the thousands.
Quartz piezoelectric oscillators jack up the Q factor into the millions.
Atomic clocks have obscenely high Q, with center frequency stabilized in other ways, and their use as a time reference follows from that.
Now for headphones:
Headphones are a mechanical and electrical system, and experience damping from mechanical friction and the voltage generated that opposes movement in a magnetic field.
The effect that the damping, electrical or otherwise, has is focused on the bass, because the driver itself has the resonant frequency around there.
Raw driver sellers tell you the Q factor of their units so that you can design a system accordingly. These are stated in the Thiele-Small parameters in the spec sheet, you plug these into a calculator and build it.
Headphone makers aren't going to tell you the Q of their headphone, just like they won't give you a frequency response chart. The Q of a headphone is not constant, the mechanical damping is affected just by the cup sealed to your head.
In most headphones, unlike loudspeaker drivers, mechanical damping tends to do the majority of the damping. In some cases, planar magnetic drivers especially, the electrical damping is barely noticeable since there is so much mechanical damping in the driver.
If you actually want to sit here calculating the Q factors of a headphone, you can look at this for a guide:
>Determination of the Thiele-Small Parameters Using Two-Channel FFT Analysis
>Budget - $100 - $200
>Location - Canada
>Source - PC/Phone
>Preferred type of headphone - over ear
>Open or closed - Closed
>Comfort level - Good since I'm gonna wear them a lot
>Preferred tonal balance - Good bass, Clear(accurate) sound
>Preferred music - old hip hop, old rock, blues and jazz.
>Past headphones - bunch of shit gaming headset.
Thanks for the help =^)
That doesn't even make sense. Are you actually this paranoid that people sometimes recommend Sennheisers over your favorite headphone?
Not many good options with those requirements. XPT100 maybe. DT770 is a very good option for bass but is more of a V-shaped sound than technically "accurate." I think K553s are US-only, but you could try to find those although they have less bass than the other two.
I'd suggest you educate yourself on frequency response and how our ears shape incoming sound.
Fact is, the HD598 is more neutral than the K702 and DT880 and is more accurate in the most sensitive regions of the ear .
It's also a well known fact that the HD598 has a large impedance swing in the mid-bass, but you probably didn't know this.
MDR-V6 or MDR-7506.
>To everyone else they sound cold and analytical.
Not really, DT880 is noticeably veiled to my ear whereas something like HD600, MDR-V6 and ER-4S is what I'd consider clear sounding.
thanks faggot, my sennheisers just snapped
M40x, dt770, K550 if you can negotiate from a local London Drugs to put it at 250-280.
>tfw how the Canadian loonie has become worse than the peso rising
>listening to music
>I'd suggest you educate yourself on frequency response and how our ears shape incoming sound.
>Fact is, the HD598 is more neutral than the K702 and DT880 and is more accurate in the most sensitive regions of the ear .
This is the deepest and most accurate explanation of veiled sound I ever read. Thank you for your enlightening contribution, I think that I'll probably buy HD598.
May God bless Sennheiser for caring about our sensitive ears!
desu, by your logic, youd be one too
ive already replaced them with 400i technically, but they are on rma. might as well say sasuga hifiman owners too
not that what youre saying makes sense at all, but hey i like video games n shit
Are there any headphones or IEMs that would have both ANC and bluetooth?
What I learned from home schooling here with you seems to be just is the same is that teacher from my hardware engineering classes (bcit). I love every word about it, also thanks for the PDF guide.
>What is your face now?
Still a spicy meatball
>0 = a + 2*ζ*ω + x*ω^2
Errata time. Should be:
>0 = a + 2*ζ*ω*v + x*ω^2
"v" for velocity, "a" for acceleration, "x" is displacement. Can just be expressed in a more generic differential equation form of a damped resonator.
These relations are much the same for an electrical resonator (hardware equalizer), which allows for electrical analysis methods to work on mechanical motors and headphone drivers.
What is a good way too tell people that beats are shit.
So I'm in on of my classes and this group of chads next to me are looking at the wireless gold one and I decided to tell them about their real quality. They where like saying that I was wrong and somewhere during me replying back I sort of locked up and stopped talking.
So what would you say to them so they would know that beats are not that great of cans?