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There are three ways to try Linux, you can:
1) Install a Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
2) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full Linux experience".
3) Dual-boot Linux with Windows/Mac (recommend if you want to learn more about Linux)
4) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with Linux (not recommended)
If you are serious about switching to Linux and if you have Windows dual-booted, we recommend you use it exclusively for 2 weeks, and avoid Windows dual booting for that period of time, or it's likely you will start retreating back to Windows instead of getting used to Linux as your new home and working on making it feel the way you want it.
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So I am using an Asus 303la and running Antergos. Everything is flawless except sometimes when I awake the laptop from sleep/suspend the screen flickers a bit and then it makes me put my login credentials in twice.
Is there any fix for this? I assume I'll have to mess around with configs.
I'm going to connect internet from a linux partition for the first time (installed opensuse a few days ago), what should I know before connecting to internet from a linux os? like, are there any settings I need to change to stay safe from attacks, should I disable any remote access (whether it is enabled or not by default), should I use a stronger root/user password or should I just connect and don't worry about it?
The rebuttal pic to this is just some freetard from /g/ saying: Everything you claim is wrong, even though you've provided tons of sources. I don't have to prove shit myself though, because...
Don't waste your time on this garbage OS. There's a reason why it's stuck on 1.5% and 99.999% of people who try it go back to Windows/OS X.
>hould I disable any remote access (whether it is enabled or not by default)
If it's not a server just disable remote access services like ssh daemon or block it with your firewall.
If you need to keep sshd enabled because it's a server, tweak the sshd settings into not allowing sshing as root at all and preferably use rsa keys.
User/root passwords should always be of decent quality no matter what the service is.
If you want to stay safe from malware and such (which exists, but there's not a lot of them since desktop marketshare is tiny and servers are usually secured) just stay away from 3rd party applications with pre compiled software. Just use what's in the repositories.
Also most desktop oriented distros incorporate some levels of security ootb.
Fedora/RHEL uses selinux for example (which was developed by the NSA, funnily)
You should be fine. Common sense and a browser with ublock and umatrix should be enough for 99% of the time
>Why is it being adopted?
Because it's a great piece of software and distro maintainers aren't all memelords like /g/ is.
>Is it worth learning again how to set up
You're poisoned by sysv-style init scripts. Systemd unit files are short, easy, and elegant. What would usually take 30 lines in a sysv-style script takes 4 in a systemd unit file. It takes only a few minutes to learn how to use them.
Thanks this reassures me, I had many bad experiences with windows especially xp, like getting a virus after a fresh install just for visiting google.com in IE or other crazy stuff like the messenger service windows pop'ing left and right... don't even wanna remember about it kek.
Should I copy it all over again?
First off, systemd is not an init system, it has an init system as part of the systemd suite. systemd is a project to build a standardised lowlevel userland for Linux. The project is pretty comprehensive and it delivers a lot of functionality under one umbrella. It does away with a lot of older, often undermaintained software packages, which were traditionally used to assemble a low level userland.
Which is where the contention comes from, as a system suite systemd is restrictive for Unix virtuosi who are used to tailor a system with wit, ingenuity, a lick and a prayer and a couple dozen of unrelated packages. systemd makes such knowledge useless.
The faction that thinks that systemd is Linux's Hiroshima, finds all the added functionality bloat, unnecessary and dangerous, as it is all under development in one project.
All the systemd jokes stem from the comprehensiveness as a low level system suite. People against it love to joke that one day systemd will write its own kernel.
There is a lot of FUD and hate going around. Some arguments do have merit, a lot of eggs in one basket is certainly true, but as with all things in life, it depends which tradeoff you prefer. Do you want a suite of well designed software, working closely together, so that system management is streamlined or do you want the complete freedom to tailor your own low level system with a lot of time tested, interchangeable components.
I have no desire to be a low level system designer, so I prefer systemd. I don't hate traditional init systems though. If a Linux system has one and I need to work with it, I'm still happy it boots and starts the necessary services.
Someone plez help.
OK so my rents' computer went a little weird. It has Kubuntu installed on it and I was trying to fix some driver issue but it wouldn't restart the regular way so I restarted using the button...
Anyway now when it boots up the screen is just black after the mobo/bios option thing. At first I thought monitor issue but I can access grub recovery and boot options fine.
Wat is this and how do I fix it? I'm guessing I should liveCD but not sure what next desu.
This shows up in syslog every now and then on my server, and sometimes a few minutes after. Dafuq is going on? Should I be worried?00:58:45 systemd: Stopping Default.
systemd: Stopped target Default.
systemd: Stopping Basic System.
systemd: Stopped target Basic System.
systemd: Stopping Paths.
systemd: Stopped target Paths.
systemd: Stopping Timers.
systemd: Stopped target Timers.
systemd: Stopping Sockets.
systemd: Stopped target Sockets.
systemd: Starting Shutdown.
systemd: Reached target Shutdown.
systemd: Starting Exit the Session...
systemd: Received SIGRTMIN+24 from PID 11368 (kill).
00:59:24 systemd: Starting Paths.
systemd: Reached target Paths.
systemd: Starting Timers.
systemd: Reached target Timers.
systemd: Starting Sockets.
systemd: Reached target Sockets.
systemd: Starting Basic System.
systemd: Reached target Basic System.
systemd: Starting Default.
systemd: Reached target Default.
systemd: Startup finished in 3ms
Sometimes my server hangs up so bad watchdog doesn't even kick in and nothing gets logged, so I'm looking for... stuff.
>>52402093root@ubuntuserver root # sudo mkdir mount
root@ubuntuserver root # sudo mount 126.96.36.199:/share/user1 mount/
mount.nfs: No such device
Nice work losers. Maybe next time you'll get a sucker to install your malware.
any ideas how to fix this?
it seems to me that the pkgbuild is asking for the wrong version of packages when doing the final install of intel-parallel-studio-xe, which is really just a composite of 9 packages that all extracted properly. I'm not sure what to edit in the pkgbuild to fix this.
yes, it is asking for an incorrect version of packages so obviously they don't exist. I need it to ask for the proper version of each package which I have shown in my file manager.
What distro for my intel Laptop ~2014?
Used Linux Mint, got shit battery life and compatability, installed all tweaks and shit, pm utils, laptop_tools etc etc.
Any tips? The kernel got friendlier to intel laptops yet?
>I have no desire to be a low level system designer, so I prefer systemd.
If you had no desire to be a low level system designer, you wouldn't be shilling a particular low level system design. Furthermore, if systemd is for people who have no desire to be low level system designers, what does that say about the distro maintainers who decided to include it in your distro? Don't you want THEM to have a desire to be low level system designers? Or are you advocating the use of systemd exclusively within LFS systems?
Systemd doesn't add any useful features compared to pre-systemd Linux systems. The two or three small exceptions to that rule do not effect typical users (restarting services without service interruption, for example) and are dwarfed by the magnitude of the fuck-up that is systemd's completely unreasonable complexity. It adds a tremendous amount of complexity to a system, which in turn reduces security, stability, and efficiency, in return for a tiny number of new features that are mildly useful in a few edge cases and a slightly faster boot time. Every one of those improvements that have been made could easily have been made without taking choice away from the user or making things harder for anyone, and the only reason they weren't made that way is that the people who write systemd understand low level system design about as well as you do.
It doesn't make anything easier for the user. It doesn't make anything easier for a system administrator. It makes things easier for distro maintainers, and that's it, because those are the people who benefit from easier "low level system design", and therefore the people who now need not be quite as competent to get by. They are doing things the easy way at every one else's expense, and the user's haven't noticed because of aggressive propaganda campaigns by systemd maintainers, who have no other goal than to have their own egos stroked.
Not sure if this should go in /sqt/ but...
I have a Lubuntu 14.04 install on a netbook n270 atom cpu, 2GB ram, 250GB HD, Asus 900HA is the model.
I use it as a torrent box but when I leave it on overnight it's really sluggish in the morning. How can I see why it's so sluggish? Is there a task manager like in Windows?
>>52402322root@ubuntuserver fish-2.2.0 # lsmod
libkmod: kmod_module_new_from_loaded: could not open /proc/modules: No such file or directory
Error: could not get list of modules: No such file or directory
root@ubuntuserver fish-2.2.0 # modprobe nfs
root@ubuntuserver fish-2.2.0 # apt-get install nfs-common -y
-bash: apt-get: command not found
root@ubuntuserver fish-2.2.0 # mount 188.8.131.52:/share/user1 .
mount.nfs: No such device
lol even after installing all your adware it still doesn't infect my server.
>quick arch question
anyone with intel gpu got any small flickering of the screen?
Happening for like 1 week. First I thought its monitor being old since it happened mostly when starting up, heating up... or waking
but now I recently notice it in video playback, its really occasional cant force it
maybe it is the monitor, but I am kinda iffy about it
got skylake cpu, using its gpu
anyone got it too?
>monitor being old
It could be that, IIRC the latest intel driver has a bug with EDID versions and reported functionality from the monitor or something along those lines.
This seems to be the relevant bug report
Sounds like your ram is used as a cache by the torrent IO and rest pushed to swap, then when you start using again your computer it needs to get shit back to ram.
Reducing swappiness should help, it should keep more stuff cached in ram, instead of disk.
Tbh sounds like a minor issue and if the initial sluggishness doesn't matter that much, I wouldn't do anything.
I thought it was a meme. I do think it is a meme.
Why should I use gentoo? I'm not interested in getting too into the whole linux world. Just wanna use it. Don't wanna configure to no end.
I just want something that just werks™
I want a glorified OSX that I can actually configure, if needed.
I want a vim machine.
A while ago I installed debian on my laptop and shit did not work at all. X-server broke, battery got drained fast. I installed the necessary power saving utils. Didn't get better. Computer temp was constantly at 50C.
I just want a good OS that I can program on using my laptop.
I am thinking of using Mint on my stationary. However Debian is more alluring. The point is, on my PC I don't need to worry about power consumption.
Hello friendly Linuxfriends
I have not used Linux as a daily desktop, only for a server here and there, but I want to start using it to program. My big issue is I don't want to "dick around" and fix this and tweak that, I want it to "just work" and if something goes wrong, I want to be able to call someone and have them talk me through it instead of googling a bunch of forums.
Are there any options with good customer service? I understand I might have to pay. This will be work-related, not a hobby, so I need a clean reliable system.
>/flt/ - Friendly Linux Thread
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>if something goes wrong, I want to be able to call someone and have them talk me through it instead of googling a bunch of forums.
>I understand I might have to pay.
You'll most likely be paying a couple hundred dollars a year for that kind of service.
Honestly I think googling solutions would be faster in most cases than calling tech support.
If you basically know how to use Linux, Linux Mint w/ MATE would probably work for you. It shouldn't break and you'll get newer packages than what Red Hat or other enterprise linuxes can offer.
>Are there any options with good customer service? I understand I might have to pay.
Yes, a lot.
Self-support RHEL subscription (you have all the resources and documentation you'll need but you have to do it yourself) is 180 usd a year, standard subscirption (as in a phone consultant) is 300 USD a year.
Ubuntu might be cheaper in this regard, and probably a better choice since i doubt you need enterprise shit with 10 years of support
Alright, thanks a bunch, looks like Red Hat is hardcore but I'm just a single jerkoff dev so Ubuntu might be the way to go. Ubuntu support seems pretty reasonable.
>he thinks linux is an operating system
>First time installing Debian
>have to literally google anything i want to do
>installing firefox, install flash
>twitch unwatchable (like video was 5fps didnt matter if it was on low or source)
>wasted the whole night
i was really thinking of starting to use but if the 1st thing is causing so much pain idk...
Using Linux Mint and having a problem with the auto updates.
Since a week or so it only shows me an update named mint-upgrade-info v1.0.5 as possible updates.
Whenever I want to do it though the page with the packages being downloaded stays open for about five minutes with nothing happening.
Then an error message pops up saying that the package could not be downloaded because no connection to packages.linuxmint.com:80 could be established.
What should I do about this?
Personally I use livestreamer to watch twitch streams. Works amazingly even on highest quality, never lags. If you really want to see the chat too then I guess you could just open irc channel or try logging it displaying it as subs in real time.
Also if you don't like having to use brain then Linux really isn't for you.
Same thing basically.
He stops trying to get a package from same address and then says he could not reach http://extra.linuxmint.com/dists/rafaela/InRelease
and so on and then something about that he could not get the lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock (resource not available)
and that he could not lock the adminfolder /var/lib/dpkg (maybe used by some other process)
I was just wondering if I needed to config my AMD card any after installing the drivers? It's an AMD R9 270X. The installer said "This driver is working in BASIC mode. Type ATIconfig into the terminal to configure drivers!" and I tried that and the resulting alphabetti spaghetti in the terminal lost me.
Oh I had that problem. Open software settings and set shit to default, should help. If it didn't then well, sometimes it just happens. Seems like problem on their side, I don't know for sure, but it usually disappears after a while, a day at most.
Did anyone manage to tame this goddamn fucking douchy beast? I'm on a desktop PC but I need a WNA1100 wifi dongle to access the network.
On Windows, it doesn't give any errors but on Linux it spams my syslogs with some warnings about "slow_path" to the point of filling my /var/ partition; I almost solved it by connecting the dongle directly to the mobo instead of using an extension cable (somehow, this stops my syslog getting spammed by this error), but the signal strength is too low and disconnects frequently.
I searched the net but no solutions, only open bugs on bug-trackers about this same exact problem.
Can I at least tell the ath9k driver to shut the fuck up and not fill my syslog?
Same happened to me (>>52404138
by the way, forgot to say I am running Kubuntu too).
Are you running a dual -monitor setup? Do you have a dedicated GPU?
When you're still inside Grub, edit the entry for Ubuntu and at the linux... line addnomodeset, then run it and it should boot you to the login screen, then fire up the Konsole and runsudo apt-get install fglrx-updatesfor ATI cards or whatever is the one for NVidia.
What is a good stepping stone out of the ubuntu platform for someone who is knew to the Linux environment? I've had ubuntu installed for a couple of weeks and things have been smooth so far. My PC is mostly used for media playback, general browsing, and basic level webdev
Once I decided that it would be handy to always have have an USB stick with GNU+Linux(TM) on it with me. So I literally installed Ubuntu (inb4: >Ubuntu) to a 16 GB USB drive and it worked fine except one little unfortunate issue: on every boot fsck checked root partition and found few orphaned files, until the whole thing got finally unbootable. Obviously the system powered off itself before the partition was synced every time (I personally blame systemd, it is well known for SIGKILLing processes on shutdown for sake of saving few seconds). Does anybody know how to fix this? Or, more generally, how do I make a proper installation on a removable media? Please no bullshit like so called `Live USB' Linux which is completely unsuitable for prolonged use.
I have a .txt file with a fuck load of strings in it. All of them have duplicates except one. How do I grep that single string? I've tried google but I'm probably not using the correct terms for what I'm after. Thanks.
is your drive okay?
i had something kinda similar but it turned out to be a faulty usb3 controller (i could probably flash the UEFI/BIOS and fix it but i'm lazy). i wish you luck.
So I have a 6 or 7 year old acer laptop with gentoo on it that I just did a full emerge --update @world on after mostly sitting in a closet for two and a half years
Since updating I've been getting frequent crashes/freezes with flicker or junky displays, which makes me think the video drivers are fucking up, this never happened before, I have the proprietary nvidia drivers
should I ditch that driver and try nouveau or something and see if the problem goes away?
Actually you may be right. A have a shitty asus z87-pro mobo (never buy asus again) where USB ports are fucked up a bit. But I'm almost sure that the problem is in the very moment of shutdown, otherwise it would manifest itself in various other situations. Are there any ways to artificially delay the poweroff?
Also is there a single decent resource for commands with all the tags? (these -a -b -c) and what the fuck the pipe is/does. For instance I have no idea what the < in sort <foo.txt | uniq -u was doing.
Love learning command line so far though.
Also google the list of POSIX commands and read manpages of them, this gives you a pretty decent impression of what is achievable on any fairly modern *nix system out of the box.
No, but I compiled budgie for my distro.
And it fucking stinks.
A lighweight GTK3 desktop would be great, but sadly budgie doesn't deliver yet.
Maybe in the future, but definately not today.
here's the problem. I'm using kubuntu 15.10 on chinkpad x201 and while playing videos inbrowser fullscreen video sometimes just hangs up while sound goes on perfectly. after moving the pointer or exiting fullscreen it goes back to normal. its probably not a browser issue since it happens both in chromium and firefox. could this be because of weak cpu or gpu performance?
not a serious problem but its quite annoying
then it appears to be a browser issue/browser related issue. which versions of firefox and chromium did you use? is your gstreamer and ffmpeg up to date? what does youtube.com/html5 tell you?
if you can't fix it i would recommend you to install https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/open-with/?src=userprofile and set it to display mpv in your menus. i use it for everything
I think I need help. Today when I turned on my computer, one of my screen seems to have had some problems, as it booted up at 640x480 when it's native resolution is 1920x1080. When I went to correct it's resolution its cap was maxed at 1360x768. It was also being shown as "Unknown Display" when it normally says the full name (AOC e2243FWK Display, or something along those lines).
I know it's not a hardware problem as switching to Windows has the screen function normally at 1920x1080 and is read correctly. I've got an nvidia 970 and the card is connected to the HDMI port, with my second screen on the DVI. I tried reinstalling the nvidia drivers and it didn't work.
Checking on xrandr gave me an interesting result:Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 2720 x 768, maximum 16384 x 16384
DVI-I-0 connected 1360x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
1024x768 60.00 +
1360x768 59.96* 59.80
800x600 72.19 60.32 56.25
680x384 59.96 59.80
HDMI-0 connected primary 1360x768+1360+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
1024x768 60.00 +
1360x768 59.96* 59.80
800x600 72.19 60.32 56.25
680x384 59.96 59.80
It seems to be detecting both screens as 0mm x 0mm. That's... not normal, right?
Hello /flt/, got a question that has been bugging me forever now and I haven't got a clue what's going on here..
When I try to visit certain websites with Firefox on my PC I get pic related, most notably on image hosting servers.
Now when I run Firefox on my laptop after copying my PCs profile folder to it everything works, so it can't be my tls/ssl settings in the browser or the certificate store since both of those things are saved in there. (I tried deleting them and refreshing without any change)
Where else could this problem come from? Both systems run ArchLinux.
I am a little late to the party but still in time to shitpost
I found an old Intel 520 series 120GB SSD and went ahead and installed Debian Jessie with the first CD on the desktop. On the GRUB options, I installed it on that very same drive since I had Windows on another drive. When I boot up with the SSD, it just stays there even after going after GRUB. I fucked up, didn't I?
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>No snakes are included in PonyOS.
kill me please
I'm just saying.
You already confirmed that the hardware works properly.
And I can assure you that
>failing to recognise resolution
>failing to use maxiumum resolution
>failing to recognise the display (Unknown display being shown)
are signs of a driver failure
> ... And, if you do not agree with his views, he states, and I emphasize: “I kindly ask you not to use Linux Mint and not to donate money to it. … This is very important to me.”
linux boots fast
I see one red failed during the boot
how to check what it is?
journalctl -r shows nothing suspicious
just plain systemctl showed services
and I found one failed
googling what I get from systemctl status ... leads to thinking that mounting options are not done well for root maybe?UUID=75599fe6-2d25-4ef9-83dd-2519b13a18f1 / ext4 rw,relatime,data=ordered,ssd,discard 0 1
> made screen lock when I close the lid by making lm_lid.sh run xscreensaver-command -lock on suspend
> Suspend resets brightness to 100
> adding brightness commands to lm_lid does nothing
I think we should start calling it /fult/ - Friendly Unix-Like Thread
Because Linux is a Unix-Like OS. We could also get the BSD users in here.
Granted, that would bring a horde of applefags.
Maybe /fglt/ - Friendly Gnu/Linux Thread.
That would actually apply because issues with Linux operating systems don't often directly involve the kernel.
Why not just make one big /fuf/ or friendly UNIX thread? It be for UNIX, BSD, and Linux. The BSDs are uncommon enough to fit in without it going to 300 too fast. Macs I'm not sure if should be allowed or not.
To be nicer about it, /fgt/ would invite even more newfags and memelords to call us faggots, as opposed to the standard ones who at least bother to insult us for using Linux.
/fglt/ would be good, maybe.
> le fedora a shit meme
What's up with this Fedora hate? It's a solid distro, can go bleeding edge without straying into autist shit, and DNF is easy as fuck to use.
We could do that. But OSX is technically a Unix-Like OS (it's a variant of BSD) and macfags would not hesitate to use that to defend their horseshit issues.
> my itunes isn't working
> fuck off macfag
> it's a unix issue!
> no it isn't
> OSX is a Unix-like OS!
Granted, I sincerely doubt anyone who uses OSX or iOS even knows what Unix is.
I've been considering buying a Steam Machine just so I know all the parts have good Linux support. I'm a little turned off by the lack of optical drive on all their models, but I suppose I could just buy an external one.
I could buy a prebuilt Linux desktop elsewhere, but the sites I've seen have comparable prices anyway so I might as well support Valve's push to get Linux into the mainstream and put games on Linux.
As far as I can tell, /g/ hates everyone and everything, so if anyone wants to tell me why I'm about to make a terrible mistake, have at it.