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My boss is buying 8 Mac Pros to replace our old 2012 iMacs

Hype as fuck. Anyone have any hands on experience?
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My school have 20 of them , they do everything you do without giving a shit
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>>52343608
they're already outdated
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>buying 8 mac pros
>not investing in server-based computing

enjoy your local files faggot
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>>52343608
trashcan pro^tm
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It was hype years ago, now it's overpriced shit
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>>52343655
>>52343639

>being this jealous

Top lel
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>>52343662
>buying trashcans
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>>52343662
>my boss
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>>52343667

>things that are roughly the same shape are the same thing

Is that why you suck so many dicks? You have a lack potassium and think they're bananas?

Stay jealous faggot.
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>>52343639
>1gbit connectivity
>server-based computing

nice meme
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I'm not into tech regularly, so seriously what's up with all these fucked up Apple designs recently?

>that mouse
>that pencil dick
>that ugly phone case
>this trashcan
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>>52343702

I think the problem is you have shit taste.
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>>52343608
I wonder why Apple didn't release a new one yet? I know the new Mac Pros were actually a very good value for workstations when they were first released but I'm not sure how true that is after two years have passed.

Does your company mostly use OSX exclusive applications?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwnSX-3ncSA
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>>52343702
The trashcan was Cook/Ive's first original idea. Clearly a sign of bad things to come.
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>>52343739
>posted early 2014

lol
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>>52343745

>implying work-load has gotten dramatically heavier since then

It's still top of the range, the slightly lower specs are made up for by a superior user experience. Money and upgrades can't buy that.
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>>52343741
it's a pretty effective way to cool things, actually. have you seen the inside?

arranged in a prism shape, fan in the top, pulls air up from the bottom and out the top, one big fan cooling everything.
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faggot
build your own pc's and install gentoo
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>>52343777
Have you also seen the possibilities to upgrade this device if you need, let's say another hard drive?
Me neither
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>>52343803
>1tb internal flash
>6 thunderbolt ports 20/gbps
>usb3.0
yeah, not like you can't just buy an external one and hook it up and leave it there. i mean if you did that, you'd have a portable huge external drive. who would want that?
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>>52343777
it is, but
1. it still overheats at full load
2. no expansion (besides ram)
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Haven't they not had a major refresh since their release? One should be due for this year.
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>>52343795

but then I'd have to suffer with both an ugly PC and a terrible user interface, problems that are fixed by working with the Mac Pro.

Why would I want to limit myself?
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>>52343715
I think Ive is just a mediocre designer who needed Jobs to slap his shit to get real and make an actual marketable product. Now that there's no one who can do that, Ive is doing whatever retarded shit a mediocre designer thinks would be a good product.
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>>52343608
My wife got me one of these for Christmas. I immediately started smoking and now I have a computer that doubles as an ashtray, it's great. My productivity has exploded.
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Yep.
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>>52343822

>1TB internal
Are you implying that's a lot of space?


>hook up external ones
Doesn't that kill the "it's so small and nice and just werks" concept? Enjoy hooking up tons of loud external hard drives that can barely compete with internal ones at a way lower price.

But I guess "muh design" is very important when it comes to a fucking computer...
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>>52343667
That's a pretty small trashcan.
Nobody but Apple could fit two GPUs and a Xeon in a trashcan this small.
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>>52343928
you can fit a jet engine into a mini

just because you can, doesn't mean it's smart
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>>52343901

>But I guess "muh design" is very important when it comes to a fucking computer

Actually it is, you pleb. Try and get a PC that small and sexy at anywhere near the functional ability.
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>>52343943

I like that analogy.

>the Mac Pro, like a jet engine in a mini

You should work for Apple.
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>>52343944
>my computer's sexiness factor helps with compile and render times!
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>>52343973

>It compiles and renders at virtually the same speed, just looks sexier while doing it

>I want to save 20 seconds and work on an ugly Pc

As I said before, you're a pleb.
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>>52343995
20 seconds
and $2000
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>>52344001

But that's the point, Apple products aren't for poor people. Just because you can't afford them doesn't mean people that can should have to listen to your inferior opinion on why a Jerry-rigged PC running a shitty OS is 'superior'
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>>52343837
>>52343608
as far as I heard it's not really upgradable, although you can replace the hard drive I think.
That being said the cooling and size is out of this world. This thing is meant to be silent regardless whether it's web browsing or rendering 4k windows. The cooling is that good
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The only thing I like about the Mac Pro is the form factor. Seriously it's 2016 why can't I build my own Xeon powered dual gpu trash can yet?
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>>52344074
>The cooling is that good

It's obviously not, if it reaches around 100C at full load (the 12 core model).
Maybe they just needed to ramp up the fan a bit more, but then it wouldn't be "silent" anymore.
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>>52344117
cool story bro. Every review I read said they were unable to get the cpu past 50 degrees with every render possible
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>>52344117

I have used one and have never noticed anything like that, even when rendering.

Maybe the one you used was just broken.
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>>52344044
Even a person with a six figure salary (and up) wouldn't waste money on something when they know there is a better option.

But the whole 'knowing a better option' thing is problematic.
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>>52344158
>implying he's ever touched a mac product that he owned himself, an not just rejecting out of a deep seated jealous envy in best buy
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>>52344180

http://www.businessinsider.com/mac-users-are-more-productive-2011-10?IR=T

Cool story bro.
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>>52344146
>>52344158
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013/14

inb4 it's a benchmark it doesn't count
First of all, that's a poor excuse, because if a PC is designed properly it's supposed to pass any benchmarks with flying colors.
Second, even with a "real world" example it was very close to the thermal limits and throttling. Running at 90C is still fucking terrible for a "workstation". And keep in mind the review was in the middle of winter, so that's probably optimistic.
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>>52343739

> blah blah blah blah

I have a first-gen mac pro

socketed CPUs and 8 RAM slots means it's still powerful today. spent under $300 and put the newest Xeon of that socket in the board w/ new paste... shit tons of cheap ECC ram from amazon... raid-10 2TB array...

new mac pros are cool, but in 3-5 years you'll be stuck with a fancy overpriced paperweight you can't ever upgrade. shit sucks.
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>replacing 2012 mac pro with trashcan
>not just upgrading cpu/gpu because 2012 mac pro was the last good system apple released
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I have the 6-core model, and mainly do composing with it. It's nice, fast enough, quiet but the amount of wires you need to connect to it (external storage/peripherals etc.) nullifies the so called "beauty" and form factor. I have the Thunderbolt Display but it doesn't help much on the beforementioned.

But it werks.
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>>52344044
>But that's the point, Apple products aren't for poor people.

Im so over this stupid argument.

Poor people buy bad computers and bad Macs.
Rich people also buy good computers and good Macs.


The money you spend on the design could be redirected towards purchasing stronger computational ability.
Nobody is ever going to applaud your firm for saving some space, at the end of the day efficiency is what's important.

Open up an art gallery dedicated to the visage of trashcans if you must but don't mix that with your workplace, christ.
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>>52344210

Benchmarks don't count you jealous pauper
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>>52344210
>benchmarks on WINDOWS
Lol
Poorfags really are so jealous
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>>52344211
That thing would cost you so much in terms if a power bill though.
First gen xeons are hideously power guzzling
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>>52344237

>that many words to justify being poor
>still can't find a PC the same size as powerful as the Mac Pro

Lol
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Your boss is a fucking retard. Mac Pros haven't been updated in years
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>>52344281
I built an overclocked 5960X with 64gb ram, 1tb ssd and a low profile 980 in a mini itx case before selling it this year.
Took up just as much space as the new Mac pro, would blitz the new Mac pro and costed nowhere near as much as the new Mac pro.

Stop shitposting on a blue board
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>>52344211
>DDR2
>Balthazar

satisfied apple customer myself, but...
ah, you don't know much about computers, do you?
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>>52344253
>implying OSEX is a good os for workstations.
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>>52344268

hard to tell, since technically a 3ghz dual quad-core never actually existed, no specs on it

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201796

not sure what units are showing in "energy impact" (in activity monitor) but the most hogging is actually caused by google chrome constantly doing shit.

when I'm not actually doing something nuts, it's pretty efficient and I run smcFanControl and they're never above 1000rpm
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>>52344344
Ddr2 is fine kiddo

Ram speed isnt the biggest deal breaker
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>>52344337

>8 core vs 12
>1 GPU vs 2 GPU
>inferior cooling
>terrible design

You made an inferior system at a cheaper price? That's the point your making?
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>>52344344

> $300 total spent for this

would've spent more for an inferior iMac or Hackintosh... what's the big deal?

I know DDR2 is ancient, but what I do on a daily basis (web dev) isn't that demanding.
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>>52343944
Is it still small and sexy when it looks like ctulhu with cancer because you have to connect everything externally?
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>>52344413

Yes
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>>52343608
>get rid of iMacs
>replace with Mac Pro
>yfw you have no monitor anymore and have to compute by listening to the deviation in coil whine on your system to know wtf you're doing
Can anybody this be retarded more like?
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>>52344452
plus cinema displays aren't retina yet. Mac Pro is fucking dead
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>>52344452

Probably just using the old iMacs as monitors desu senpai
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>>52344389
>more in quantity means more performance
>12 cores are obviously better than 8 cores
>From a server processor
>2 gpus are obviously better than one
>From inferior cards using imperfect gpu workload sharing technology

You're literally fucking retarded
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>>52344492

Says the man proud of building an inferior system for a lower price.
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>>52344504
you're genuinely retarded if you think a mac pro could beat that build.
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>>52344389
Not him but;
>8 core vs 12
12 cores running at 2.7Ghz vs 8 cores running at 4.4Ghz stable OC. The former has 50% more cores but the latter runs over 60% faster: they will attain parity in tasks that the can make full use of all cores, but the 5960X will also be vastly faster if you also run programs that can't.
>1 GPU vs 2 GPU
One very fast GPU vs two very slow GPUs, not even taking into account OC headroom, which the Mac Pro has none of. A Titan X or even 980 Ti will destroy the D700s in acceleration tasks.
>inferior cooling
Depends on cooling used. With water cooling and direct airflow available to the GPU, a nice mITX case like the NCASE M1 has adequate cooling for even an 8-core and 980 Ti. Remember that the Mac Pro is a highly TDP-limited device, none of it's components run higher than stock speeds.
>terrible design
Subjective. The M1 is the same height and width as the Mac Pro, but twice as deep.

If you want ECC, just swap the 5960X for an E5 1660 V3 and have the same thing but with Xeon features.
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>>52344354
>implying it isn't
Of course if you enjoy annoying updates and telemetry of course it's different. Also bluescreens
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>>52344647
>>52344337
>No ECC RAM
Good luck selling this as a "workstation".
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>>52344389
Are you legitimately retarded?
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>>52344744

>>52344647
>If you want ECC, just swap the 5960X for an
E5 1660 V3 and have the same thing but with Xeon features.

What is reading comprehension?
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>>52344356

>since technically a 3ghz dual quad-core never actually existed

It did, it was just a build to order model, not off the shelf.

Closest equivalent on Apple's spec site says it takes 146W idle 309W full CPU load, for a machine that's about as fast as a quad core mac mini (late 2012), which takes 11-85W.
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>>52344504
>lose argument
>post "inferior build, lower price"
>lose argument
>post "inferior build, lower price"
>repeat
>"maybe if i shill hard enough, he'll believe me!"
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>>52344812
Let's just ignore him then, and let the poor fool be happy that his company is getting Shit Pros "Applel support in 5 days edition".

For everyone else, there is absolutely no reason to get one, ever. Even if they release an updated version eventually, you could already have a better system today. And if form factor isn't an issue, you don't have to limit yourself with customization either.

Fractal R5, X99-E WS, 1660v3, 64GB ECC, as many GPUs as you care for, Noctua D-15, SeaSonic or EVGA PSU, 950 Pro boot SSD, as much mass storage as you care for, and it'll still be cheaper than even a moderately spec'd MP 2013.
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>>52344812
What OS does your machine run?
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>>52344812

>still can't dispute he built a shittier system and it was somehow surprisingly cheap
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>>52343859
Is this bait
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>>52345305
>newfag can't detect obvious attempt to throw his problems somewhere else
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>>52344943
Probably an OS for real work, like Windows.
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>>52343769
>superior user experience

The hell are you taking about?
Having to take off the trashcan to reach your I/O?
Having your PSU cable right in front of all that I/O?
Having your computer overheat from anything involving encoding or gaming?
Being rammed up the ass with a $4000 price tag?
Being Apple's sex toy to use and discard whenever your master wants you to buy a new overpriced and useless product?

Explain this "superior user experience" and why actual upgrades aren't better.
And no using the computer illiterate "it just werks".
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>people on /g/ STILL support Apple in any way, shape or form

This has to be either Stockholm Syndrome or continuous mourning of the Holy Steve Jobs until Apple itself finally dies when its marketing can't prop up its shitty products anymore.
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Why is this allowed?
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>>52345891
>implying people use all that crap simultaneously, if any
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>>52347882
>external storage
Yes, everyone should store data externally.
>disk drives
Yes, sometimes.
>interface cards
Very common in the music and video industries
>forgot to include all manner of co-processors and add-in cards
Those too.

Just because you don't do shit with your computer doesn't mean that these things aren't useful to someone.
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>>52347882
Well obviously not, the people who buy these are prosumer who have more money than brains
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>>52347988
Yes but not all of them at once though.

>>52348003
Because using Windows or Linux requires your to be some kind of genius?
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>>52343639
>>52343699
>this actually exists
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>>52348241
>Because using Windows or Linux requires your to be some kind of genius?
Apparently, because the biggest reason I see people using when switching to OSX is that Windows is too hard and unstable and they want something that just werks

Ironically I switched from OSX to Windows 7 because I wanted something that just werked as well
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>>52348296
Wow, that is a gigantic waste of space
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>>52348350
Yeah, if they took out those drive bays on the left they could totally fit a second trashcan in there!
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>>52348414
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>>52348336
I know 1 person IRL that couldn't figure OSX out and switched back.

I guess it just takes a couple days until Google starts providing you with OSX-oriented how-to's.

Obviously both systems "work".
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>>52348350

Rack mounted is a significant advantage for musicians etc. Probably some film dudes too, wouldn't know.
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>>52348446
But why not use VMware's ESXi and virtualize everything?
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>>52343608
it may be a bit loose but i believe it will fit up your ass, so don't worry
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>>52348427
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It's nice machine, no doubt. But I can hook up 3 monitors to my mbp so I don't see the need for the Mac Pro. It'd be nice to have the extra processor I guess, but most people really don't need it.
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>>52343630

this, and they're heat-gimped by the ventilation structure of the idiotic cylindrical-triangular arrangement
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>>52343608
Oh god. There's a detailed post flying around in the archive where an anon explains thoroughly why those trashcans are actual trash. No need to be hypes about it anon.
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>>52344198
>http://www.businessinsider.com/mac-users-are-more-productive-2011-10?IR=T
falling for this shilling
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>>52348614
need to see that post
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>>52348427
this is what sever memeitis looks like
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>>52348541
underrated post
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>>52343608
>Anyone have any hands on experience?
>hands on
You mean eating shit out of them? Can't say that I have.
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>>52348427
Genuinely thought I was looking at washing machines for a moment. >>52348541
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>Ivy Bridge-E
>D700 Tahiti GPU

OUTDATED AS FUCK
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>>52343608
Your boss likes to waste money I guess. Grats and working for a soon to be dead company.
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>>52348541
top post
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>>52343608
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S48233973
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>>52347882

professionals who do things like edit video will DEFINITELY use all of those.

the tower mac pro was the BEST computer apple ever built... then they took it and made it a cutesy consumer garbage can.

apple needs to fire the design team responsible for this; they're probably the ones who thought a charging port on the bottom of the mouse was a good idea.
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>>52348296
>>52348350

talk all the shit you want, but not everyone spends their lives posting on 4chan. some people actually produce music and movies and having a little cylinder with no expansion is not useful to them. apple eliminating the tower mac pro took the mac pro from being a professional workstation to a consumer toy for the rich.

these solutions are an attempt to fix that.
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>>52348427

what a mac server rack used to look like before apple decided it doesn't care about actual professionals anymore...
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>>52353897
they're quite a poor attempt Tbh desu
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>>52348614
>>52348696

>>52353650
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>>52353897
So why didn't they stick with the old Mac Pro design?
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>>52354006

honestly I would have just built a hackintosh from a normal rack mount solution; the hardware can prob run os x just fine.

but some people in the industry don't have time for that shit and appreciate things like a warranty.

it's ugly and necessary. if you've been locked into this for years.
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>>52353650
This is beautiful
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>>52353940
>mfw xserver was actually good
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>>52354150

because idiots like jony ive needed a way to keep themselves relevant so they were like OMG MINIMALIST SIMPLICITY and decided that making a square thing round was REVOLUTIONARY
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>>52354150
Apple grasping at straws to still look innovative, decided to kill two birds with one stone and also finish Jobs' vendetta against the professional segment while they were at it.
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