My boss is buying 8 Mac Pros to replace our old 2012 iMacs
Hype as fuck. Anyone have any hands on experience?
I wonder why Apple didn't release a new one yet? I know the new Mac Pros were actually a very good value for workstations when they were first released but I'm not sure how true that is after two years have passed.
Does your company mostly use OSX exclusive applications?
>implying work-load has gotten dramatically heavier since then
It's still top of the range, the slightly lower specs are made up for by a superior user experience. Money and upgrades can't buy that.
it's a pretty effective way to cool things, actually. have you seen the inside?
arranged in a prism shape, fan in the top, pulls air up from the bottom and out the top, one big fan cooling everything.
>1tb internal flash
>6 thunderbolt ports 20/gbps
yeah, not like you can't just buy an external one and hook it up and leave it there. i mean if you did that, you'd have a portable huge external drive. who would want that?
I think Ive is just a mediocre designer who needed Jobs to slap his shit to get real and make an actual marketable product. Now that there's no one who can do that, Ive is doing whatever retarded shit a mediocre designer thinks would be a good product.
Are you implying that's a lot of space?
>hook up external ones
Doesn't that kill the "it's so small and nice and just werks" concept? Enjoy hooking up tons of loud external hard drives that can barely compete with internal ones at a way lower price.
But I guess "muh design" is very important when it comes to a fucking computer...
That's a pretty small trashcan.
Nobody but Apple could fit two GPUs and a Xeon in a trashcan this small.
>But I guess "muh design" is very important when it comes to a fucking computer
Actually it is, you pleb. Try and get a PC that small and sexy at anywhere near the functional ability.
But that's the point, Apple products aren't for poor people. Just because you can't afford them doesn't mean people that can should have to listen to your inferior opinion on why a Jerry-rigged PC running a shitty OS is 'superior'
as far as I heard it's not really upgradable, although you can replace the hard drive I think.
That being said the cooling and size is out of this world. This thing is meant to be silent regardless whether it's web browsing or rendering 4k windows. The cooling is that good
>The cooling is that good
It's obviously not, if it reaches around 100C at full load (the 12 core model).
Maybe they just needed to ramp up the fan a bit more, but then it wouldn't be "silent" anymore.
Even a person with a six figure salary (and up) wouldn't waste money on something when they know there is a better option.
But the whole 'knowing a better option' thing is problematic.
inb4 it's a benchmark it doesn't count
First of all, that's a poor excuse, because if a PC is designed properly it's supposed to pass any benchmarks with flying colors.
Second, even with a "real world" example it was very close to the thermal limits and throttling. Running at 90C is still fucking terrible for a "workstation". And keep in mind the review was in the middle of winter, so that's probably optimistic.
> blah blah blah blah
I have a first-gen mac pro
socketed CPUs and 8 RAM slots means it's still powerful today. spent under $300 and put the newest Xeon of that socket in the board w/ new paste... shit tons of cheap ECC ram from amazon... raid-10 2TB array...
new mac pros are cool, but in 3-5 years you'll be stuck with a fancy overpriced paperweight you can't ever upgrade. shit sucks.
I have the 6-core model, and mainly do composing with it. It's nice, fast enough, quiet but the amount of wires you need to connect to it (external storage/peripherals etc.) nullifies the so called "beauty" and form factor. I have the Thunderbolt Display but it doesn't help much on the beforementioned.
But it werks.
>But that's the point, Apple products aren't for poor people.
Im so over this stupid argument.
Poor people buy bad computers and bad Macs.
Rich people also buy good computers and good Macs.
The money you spend on the design could be redirected towards purchasing stronger computational ability.
Nobody is ever going to applaud your firm for saving some space, at the end of the day efficiency is what's important.
Open up an art gallery dedicated to the visage of trashcans if you must but don't mix that with your workplace, christ.
I built an overclocked 5960X with 64gb ram, 1tb ssd and a low profile 980 in a mini itx case before selling it this year.
Took up just as much space as the new Mac pro, would blitz the new Mac pro and costed nowhere near as much as the new Mac pro.
Stop shitposting on a blue board
hard to tell, since technically a 3ghz dual quad-core never actually existed, no specs on it
not sure what units are showing in "energy impact" (in activity monitor) but the most hogging is actually caused by google chrome constantly doing shit.
when I'm not actually doing something nuts, it's pretty efficient and I run smcFanControl and they're never above 1000rpm
> $300 total spent for this
would've spent more for an inferior iMac or Hackintosh... what's the big deal?
I know DDR2 is ancient, but what I do on a daily basis (web dev) isn't that demanding.
>get rid of iMacs
>replace with Mac Pro
>yfw you have no monitor anymore and have to compute by listening to the deviation in coil whine on your system to know wtf you're doing
Can anybody this be retarded more like?
>more in quantity means more performance
>12 cores are obviously better than 8 cores
>From a server processor
>2 gpus are obviously better than one
>From inferior cards using imperfect gpu workload sharing technology
You're literally fucking retarded
Not him but;
>8 core vs 12
12 cores running at 2.7Ghz vs 8 cores running at 4.4Ghz stable OC. The former has 50% more cores but the latter runs over 60% faster: they will attain parity in tasks that the can make full use of all cores, but the 5960X will also be vastly faster if you also run programs that can't.
>1 GPU vs 2 GPU
One very fast GPU vs two very slow GPUs, not even taking into account OC headroom, which the Mac Pro has none of. A Titan X or even 980 Ti will destroy the D700s in acceleration tasks.
Depends on cooling used. With water cooling and direct airflow available to the GPU, a nice mITX case like the NCASE M1 has adequate cooling for even an 8-core and 980 Ti. Remember that the Mac Pro is a highly TDP-limited device, none of it's components run higher than stock speeds.
Subjective. The M1 is the same height and width as the Mac Pro, but twice as deep.
If you want ECC, just swap the 5960X for an E5 1660 V3 and have the same thing but with Xeon features.
>since technically a 3ghz dual quad-core never actually existed
It did, it was just a build to order model, not off the shelf.
Closest equivalent on Apple's spec site says it takes 146W idle 309W full CPU load, for a machine that's about as fast as a quad core mac mini (late 2012), which takes 11-85W.
Let's just ignore him then, and let the poor fool be happy that his company is getting Shit Pros "Applel support in 5 days edition".
For everyone else, there is absolutely no reason to get one, ever. Even if they release an updated version eventually, you could already have a better system today. And if form factor isn't an issue, you don't have to limit yourself with customization either.
Fractal R5, X99-E WS, 1660v3, 64GB ECC, as many GPUs as you care for, Noctua D-15, SeaSonic or EVGA PSU, 950 Pro boot SSD, as much mass storage as you care for, and it'll still be cheaper than even a moderately spec'd MP 2013.
>superior user experience
The hell are you taking about?
Having to take off the trashcan to reach your I/O?
Having your PSU cable right in front of all that I/O?
Having your computer overheat from anything involving encoding or gaming?
Being rammed up the ass with a $4000 price tag?
Being Apple's sex toy to use and discard whenever your master wants you to buy a new overpriced and useless product?
Explain this "superior user experience" and why actual upgrades aren't better.
And no using the computer illiterate "it just werks".
>people on /g/ STILL support Apple in any way, shape or form
This has to be either Stockholm Syndrome or continuous mourning of the Holy Steve Jobs until Apple itself finally dies when its marketing can't prop up its shitty products anymore.
>implying people use all that crap simultaneously, if any
Yes, everyone should store data externally.
Very common in the music and video industries
>forgot to include all manner of co-processors and add-in cards
Just because you don't do shit with your computer doesn't mean that these things aren't useful to someone.
>this actually exists
>Because using Windows or Linux requires your to be some kind of genius?
Apparently, because the biggest reason I see people using when switching to OSX is that Windows is too hard and unstable and they want something that just werks
Ironically I switched from OSX to Windows 7 because I wanted something that just werked as well
I know 1 person IRL that couldn't figure OSX out and switched back.
I guess it just takes a couple days until Google starts providing you with OSX-oriented how-to's.
Obviously both systems "work".
It's nice machine, no doubt. But I can hook up 3 monitors to my mbp so I don't see the need for the Mac Pro. It'd be nice to have the extra processor I guess, but most people really don't need it.
professionals who do things like edit video will DEFINITELY use all of those.
the tower mac pro was the BEST computer apple ever built... then they took it and made it a cutesy consumer garbage can.
apple needs to fire the design team responsible for this; they're probably the ones who thought a charging port on the bottom of the mouse was a good idea.
talk all the shit you want, but not everyone spends their lives posting on 4chan. some people actually produce music and movies and having a little cylinder with no expansion is not useful to them. apple eliminating the tower mac pro took the mac pro from being a professional workstation to a consumer toy for the rich.
these solutions are an attempt to fix that.
what a mac server rack used to look like before apple decided it doesn't care about actual professionals anymore...
honestly I would have just built a hackintosh from a normal rack mount solution; the hardware can prob run os x just fine.
but some people in the industry don't have time for that shit and appreciate things like a warranty.
it's ugly and necessary. if you've been locked into this for years.
because idiots like jony ive needed a way to keep themselves relevant so they were like OMG MINIMALIST SIMPLICITY and decided that making a square thing round was REVOLUTIONARY
Apple grasping at straws to still look innovative, decided to kill two birds with one stone and also finish Jobs' vendetta against the professional segment while they were at it.