I am right now on a Macbook Pro and to be honest... i really don't like OSX... I just bought this thing cuz i thought i'am gonna get some work done... but i realized i could do it with other OS too and for far less money.
OS X does not runs stable on my side as Windows or Linux.
OS X "just werks" and blows windows out of the water on some, probably even most things that the average user would touch, but it horrendous on anything beyond that. I would describe it as a wildly uneven experience--very high highs but very low lows.
>>52333295 windows very useable? mac less useable than windows? bro, you might be a dumbass. you might be used to garbage. it's not very useable because you know how to navigate every last convoluted piece of shit menu. because you were never financially able to switch. because you're happy in your half-functioning comfort zone. those are not valid reasons. basically, you're a goddamn loser and you need to stop sharing your shitty opinions cause they're trash.
>>52333244 but I am? Together with an external trackpad it's pretty much the best configuration you could ask for. If you wanna gaym or use windows software you can always dual boot cause >hackintosh master race >>52333421 thanks! it was very fun. >download and install update >install web driver again ( not even always) Wow so hard
>>52333421 With the Clover bootloader, updates work fine. Literally all you have to do is update the nvidia drivers (and it does that for you.) my Hackintosh install actually works better than my windows install
>>52333521 yes, but you've still paid well over the odds ( its sitting around 3x the price atm isnt it?) for what you could do with a dual-boot winux box (that, if you paid the same for, would be more powerful in every respect)
>>52333578 i'm sure it's usable for normies like you :^) i can't handle the dumbed down everything. and yeah, i could afford a mac, i just don't want one. my GPUs probably cost more than your laptop-tier hardware.
>>52333244 I can only speak from 10 minute experience, but OS X feels incredibly stiff, unresponsive, desperately lacking in hotkeys and it has a lot of questionable choices that would take me weeks to months to get used to (close doesn't close application?)
>>52333654 it does still matter, because developers work to what can get to the most people, thats why gaming died on mac for like all of the noughties and why new programs of all kinds will still support XP even though it is comically out of date
>>52333935 I'd even buy one for the scrolling alone. The whole multi-gestures like swiping between full-screen apps and switchen between tabs in safari is just godsent. It's actually that good it's obviously not good for photoshop/other precision work
>>52333997 >>52334014 Well this one friend of mine seriously bought a mac, he insisted that the proprietary hardware inside is somehow more optimized for running OSX and nothing else is >>52334016 No buttons? Barf.
>>52334054 >>52333949 Well yeah it's optimized in that you won't get kernel panics or have to manually upgrade your kexts/drivers and you'll get great battery life. I definitely wouldn't recommend making a hackintosh laptop cause it's just a pain in the ass. Desktop Hackintosh or Macbook pro are the only viable just twerks options.
>>52333949 First party software support is the biggest one I can think of, the drivers coupled with Apple hardware are a big reason for the battery life being so good on Macs. Not to mention stability, this is no slight against third party kernel modules but the risk is always there that your system could be come unbootable with a software update.
>>52334054 yes, but its optimised because osx and the hardware exist in a closed system, they stick to a tiny variety of parts so that they can test it thuroghly on all the possible systems it can be run on
it doesn't mean those parts are of comparable performance to equivalently priced pc parts
good for grandmas and meatheads, not so good for anyone that knows how to deal with pc hardware quirks
>>52333813 >desperately lacking in hotkeys As a Windows user I did not get this impression at all, it seems like every application has their tasks mapped out including Aqua or whatever it's called now. It was something that stuck with me when evaluating it, I really liked how easily it could be driven with a keyboard.
>>52334232 because the hardware itself is inferior for the price, its like an automatic gearbox in a car, yes its harder to mess up, but you only settle for it cause you cant handle the big-boy responsibility of a clutch
>>52334442 >if you're done with the window close the window Meanwhile you have the application taking up RAM while it's doing nothing.
I'm done viewing this document, so I close the window. I'm done with my word processor, so I also have to close the program. That's also clunky. You turned what could have been one action into two actions.
>>52334554 You're the one turning it into 2 actions, if you're done with both just close the application. You wanna talk about wasting RAM, how about running 2 instances of the same program just to have 2 windows up.
You really shouldn't form your judgments based on assumptions.
>>52334554 What about programs that don't need a UI all the time like media players or network services? You're wasting more RAM on the UI elements by just minimizing them, why not just close the window?
>>52334554 Why would I open an application to view a document? I do edit a lot of word files throughout the day though, but not at the same time. Its better to have the application still running when I close a document so that I don't have to wait for word to start every time I open a new one, it just opens right away. Besides, if you want to close the application there's no reason to close the window first
>>52334554 >close window and then quit program are two separate functions that must be done in this order
Or you could just hit cmd q and you both close the program and the window in one single action.
The whole reason Close Window and Quit App are separate is because of app load times. You want to sit through the Word splash screen every time you X out of the only .docx window on your screen, to open up another .docx file? Fuck no.
It has its uses and can still function exactly like Windows.
I'm probably going to be one of those "Win 10 pushed him off the edge" people assuming what I'm hearing about Wangblows 10 is true, do you have any idea if a hackintosh requires anything super specific as far as hardware goes?
>>52335595 But people have been sorting alphabetically forever, Windows started the directory trend. I honestly don't get it since I use a file index to get what I need on any OS anyway. I'm not going to manually jump through directories when I can just jump n levels deep to any directory I know the name of in a few clicks.
Video related, don't ignore the shitty fucking Windows 10 bug that happens when you enable multi proc explorer that still isn't fucking fixed holy shit I am mad.
>>52335581 >why can't i press a hotkey and lock my macbook without shutting it off? http://osxdaily.com/2011/01/17/lock-screen-mac/ >why can't i close it and keep it running? If you have a monitor (set to mirror laptop screen), keyboard, and mouse plugged in, I'm pretty sure it stays "awake"
But I use linux at home and I prefer it to OSX. They're similar, but Linux just edges it out on certain usability areas for me (e.g. built-in version of Spectacle, better workspaces, etc, better command line, etc)
A lot of the software i use is mostly mac, and I have Windows 8 installed on another HD for the programs i need Windows for.
Mac also has native CoreAudio support, making a shit ton of things for me just plug and play. No drivers, nothing.
OS X is also free, they don't charge money for it. The Macs are overpriced, i agree there. But that being said, you are paying for quality parts, and Macs typically last longer than similar Windows counterparts.
Honestly, why can't everyone just use what they fucking want? What does it matter to you guys who uses what system?
>>52333244 Because I already use Linux for my personal computing and Windows for my gaming, OSX isn't superior in either of these regards. Furthermore it's only officially supported on a very limited amount of hardware that doesn't suit my needs.
>>52333295 this in a nutshell, os x is a really bad os based on more outdated technologies than either windows or linux and they're pretty bad as well. even apple realizes this and is working on replacing a lot of the more important subsystems in os x; maybe in a decade or so it might be better but right now it's not very good
>>52336241 >OS X is also free, they don't charge money for it. You're not wrong and I don't think Apple is either for doing it but they totally overprice on their hardware for that reason. SUN more or less did the same and I think the same was true for many consumer commercial Unix and UNIX systems of their era, Apple just happens to be the only one of those left.
>But that being said, you are paying for quality parts, and Macs typically last longer than similar Windows counterparts. This is something people never seem to consider and I don't know why. People always pull up speclists but never factor in things like the board design or the chassis itself, same with the screens, Apple displays have been something of merit for multiple years prior to them directing it at end users with their retina marketing.
That being said I still think they're a bit high, of good quality but high. I really can't blame them for being as competitive as they are with their history of being fucked for being open and nearly going bankrupt multiple times, I don't need to repeat the fact they're the last real contender in end user consumer Unix systems too, the others are all dead for their more liberal business approaches. I'm not saying that's a good thing but I understand it.
>>52336432 you must be pretty on the fence about being a heterosexual if using a different computer OS would put you over the edge. I can't imagine any device I use - laptop, desktop, whatever - pushing me toward the dick-sucking camp.
but hey, it's great you're honest with yourself or whatever.
Entry level Apple shit is terrible, would not buy. And you can't upgrade that yourself. They are pretty much forcing you to buy expensive shit, it's the people who buy low level apple products for stupid prices that are plebs and give the rest of us a bad name.
But for $3000-$4000 you can buy some pretty good shit. But again, who wants to spend that much on a computer? Pros buy that shit for work.
That's why i got a Mac Pro tower, not the trash can. I can take anything in and out of it, change everything inside. It's great.
my 12 cores, the motherboard and cooling is stock. Anything else you can change. And god damn, is it fucking NEAT inside.
I love the Mac Pro tower, it truly is a well thought product. All the cards and storage and inserted directly into the motherboard, there is no loss of speed due to cable bottlenecks. I can have up to 6 hard drives in it, and that's not counting the PCI-E drives. Up to 128Gb of RAM. It's a killer machine.
Only thing is, the tower is fucking heavy. The new trashcan is good, but...everything becomes external. Fuck that. You can't move it without disconnecting everything, more areas of failure with all the cables, plus ALL the ports are at the back?? What the fuck...
Yes, but that's the thing. With Windows, you have no control of the software/hardware shit like this. Apple hand picks it's hardware that works best with the software, and if what's on the market doesn't suit their needs, they...build it themselves. Like the Mac Pro.
I don't want to sound like an Apple shill, they just have/had a few very successful products, and i think the Mac Pro tower is one of them.
>>52334683 >>52334792 Interesting fact, it's the aluminum oxide, the stuff they put in antiperspirants that reacts with your skin. Aluminum forms a very thin layer of aluminum oxide on the outer surface because it oxidises in contact with the oxygen in air (it is resume m reactive after all) Also I read somewhere aluminum oxide is responsible for causing Alzheimer's in old age.
>>52336992 I'd recommend clover because it's way easier customizing shit for your build since every build is different. In the end it's really worth it if you use the stuff I do >trackpad gestures >timemachine >coreaudio >logic x other shit I'm too lazy to write down
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