AMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
Fine by me I'll wait. My 4690k is serving me perfect other than long transcode times. I'll gladly wait if Zen delivers as promised.
>8c/16t $400 cpu with 90% haswell single core performance
Thats if they price it right. If amd makes something good for once on the CPU front, gets a big head, and jacks the orices sky high, they can suck my dick. I'll buy x99.
AMD are promising a significant increase in performance relative to their old architectures, which people are speculating will put them on par with Intels last generation of processors in single threaded applications.
Not him but hard to explain it when you don't mention which benchmarks you're looking at. You're being so vague that you're bordering on being an obvious troll.
>Not him but hard to explain it when you don't mention which benchmarks you're looking at.
the price is not $70 but $50 in store at microcenter. That puts it at 1/3 the price of amd.
CPUboss isn't a benchmark, it's a comparison site and a bad one at that.
Out of the six metrics they have, only two are benchmarks, one of which is Passmark. Passmark is so terrible that it's widely known as pissmark. It is not to be used, at all, ever.
I know he's wrong but you're not helping.
>If anything they'll shrink and stick to OEM contracted shit.
That's not a good thing either. We don't need another via, releasing one new architecture every three years and producing chips only good for set top boxes and dirt cheap Chinese netbooks.
>If amd makes something good for once on the CPU front
Not important, but amd had better processors than intel back then.
Sadly, thanks to the heavy marketing of intel and a couple of dirty tricks AMD never got substantial money.
Oh I know the history trust me. I was ysing FX since gen 1 bulldozer. Regardless, as a consumer, I'll not buy an inferior product just because it has a name slapped on it.
Even if the company with good products is a Jewish Monopoly who pulls dirty underhanded tricks to get by.
Why does everyone believe they will price zen so low if it's at haswell performance? All the times before AMD has been competitive they priced their products thereafter or even higher. Stop being so gullible AMD fanboys.
single socket for Zen cpu's and apu's.
I think that'll be good for MoBo choice and variety.
Anti-white is not racist. It's racial correction.
An i7-5930X will run rings around the top-tier 8-core Zen. Intel versus AMD is not even a contest at this point. It's a slaughter.
>Zen on track
>Polaris on track
>Good console sales
>Nothing but good news
>Stock tanked for no reason
wtf is going on?
Don't get your hopes up.
Su already said in a german interview that zen will be released Q4 - to OEMs and server market. It is very much possible that it'll be Jan 2017 till zen can be bought in shops.
weakening foreign currencies, strength of dollar, oil prices (mostly denotes oversupply but also indicative of slowing global growth)
AMD is toast. I considered shorting at $3 but was a pussy. They need a gamechanger product and they best they will have is cheaper last gen intel-equivalent products and muh performance per watt GPU's
My nigger, Platinum series is the fucking best PSU series on the market.
Don´t understand how all the retards buy corsair or something like that and think they are the best.
Gonna buy somewhat of the same PC end of the year, just with a Phantek Evolv ATX.
A good power supply is really the only thing you can "future-proof" on a PC. It's also arguably the most important, as it is in part responsible for the lifespan of the other components in your system. If you aren't willing to put in money for a high quality power supply you might as well not build your own PC in the first place.
Hello /v/ again
Crosair has a couple of PSUs made by Seasonic. Buying their 250$ Platinum units is also more like placebo unless you go for some hardcore OC + triple SLI builds. The G or even their SIIs are way enough for most (single gpu) systems. Overspending on what you need is almost as autistic.
>test results show that seasonic psu's are not better quality than other well-regarded brands
>often louder than the competition in the same efficiency range, for double the price
You're effectively paying €100 more for the brand name 'seasonic'.
Sure, PSUs are important, but how many pcs run on shitty chinese psus for years without trouble? Both my brother and my dad's computer have been running on a chinese knockoff brand psu for over 7 years and no problems.
I spent a bit more money on a quality psu, but there is no way I'm paying double for a seasonic psu.
Anyone who does just got tricked by marketing.
Market took a nosedive. In China, it's gotten so bad that the government put in new laws preventing stock owners from selling their shares until they submit the sale for approval to the government, which has a mandatory 15 day limit between the date the application was filed to the date which the sale can take place upon approval. Basically, the Chinese government is blocking people from selling stocks to keep the market afloat for just a bit longer, as futile as it is.
That's because most Corsair supplies (Starting from the CX) are actually okay (Fine, not good) and OP is seems like some autistic psu etilist (Think of an audiophile, just for PSUs)
There is absolutely no reason to buy a 200$ platinum Seasonic PSU unless you're going to stress your components to a higher degree 24/7, want to be really secure with a server, or keep your PSU forever and miss future technological advancements.
For your average budget system, some mid-tier units like the Seasonic G or FSP Raider are enough - even some entry-level units such as the EVGA B(HEC) Corsair CX (CWT) just work fine, even to spans over 5 years. Their voltage regulation is within spec, the ripple is usually <75mV and they can supply the wattage they're rated for with their capacitors not being the best, but doing the job just fine for at least a hand full of years under general room conditions.
>I post a site which mainly relies on synthetic benchmarks and random statistics with artificial scores
/v/ is an acronym for a tech-illiterate faggot coming over here and pretending to know something, which is like most pc gaymen act.
Not only stating cpuboss, but also as your only source shows that you have no actual clue what you're talking about and thus should fuck off to >>>/v/ where you actually belong.
>There is absolutely no reason to buy a 200$ platinum Seasonic PSU unless you're going to stress your components to a higher degree 24/7, want to be really secure with a server, or keep your PSU forever and miss future technological advancements.
I never fucking said to buy a platinum, jesus christ. I just said buy Seasonic. They have plenty of quality PSUs at or under $100. If they really start at €200s then I feel bad for yuropoors.
At least AMD can keep up in the performance division, but is ultimately behind. Nonetheless, Polaris could take things up a notch, they're not as behind to Nvidia as they are to Intel. What they need is some bigger investor, and a better marketing team.
If AMD can deliver with their Zen/Polaris SOC next year and succeeds in getting their driver stack on Linux up to par they'll likely get some big investments from companies wanting to make Steam Machines.
Its just a shame that Nvidia is still denied access to the x86 market. Intel badly needs to be broken up with the x86 licensing group being a separate independent organization.
The Fractal R5 is pretty fucking far from perfect. You can't swap HDDs without needing to open both sides of the case, for one.
Perfect would be, say, Antec P183 with 8 hdd bays, every fan slot being 14cm, and three fan slots on the top.
>My nigger, Platinum series is the fucking best PSU series on the market.
Enermax Platimax was better, I think they are still in the market.
Their 600W PSU can deliver something like 830W at peak.
Same boat nigga.
Zen 8 core
32GB DDR4 RAM
Arctic Islands GPU
xPoint SSD/NVMe SSD with a 2TB SSD for storage
I might even go with a tiny case. My wallet has been ready since summer 2015.
As I said, certain budget units from other manufacturers (mostly FSP, HECand CWT) can be fine. It doesn't have to be Seasonic - yes, even their low-end PSUs can match the mid-tier on others, but it's not that you need that tiny little bit of better regulation and ripple when you're just running your i3+r380 system at stock (or mild overclocks/without voltage increases) anyway. As long as they're within spec and not running shit-tier capacitors blasting after two years of usage, you'll be fine.
Super Flower also does some pretty good Seasonic competition recently :^)
See >>52316121 at the bottom
They can be nice as a backup source when you have one reliable :^)
Indeed, but Intel would never give their baby to someone even more dangerous than AMD, and I don't think we can hope for authorities to change that anytime soon either.
Pretty much the same here.
8 core Zen
16GB DDR4 or better
AMDGPU supported graphics card that can outperform my current card
Other than that just pull over all my current hardware
Maybe get a new case, my old Lian Li is kind of outdated and behind the curve in cable management.
>as it is in part responsible for the lifespan of the other components in your system. If you aren't willing to put in money for a high quality power supply...
The thing is designing a power supply that won't fry components is fucking easy. Voltage regulation is a solved problem. Dropping another $100 to get the ripple down from 10mV to 5mV is not really worth it. It's digital circuitry not an instrument amplifier with poor power supply rejection.
How many times do I have to say that Seasonic PSUs aren't $100 more expensive when compared to comparable units? There are several quality units that fall in or at $100 at competitive prices.
They are still more expensive, at the price of a 350W SII without modularity, there's a 430W Corsair CX with semi-modular cables, or a 500W one without modularity. (I just checked it up.)
The Seasonic will be of higher quality, but the CX will be good enough to do the job as well. It won't fry your system and probably lasts long enough until your next build too - and the SII is not a high-end supply either. You might pay for a minor quality increase you do not need. If you want absolute reliability, you will have to pay more either way.
Of course, you can get the SS/SII and pay the premium, but when we talk about budget systems, you usually just buy the quality you absolutely need.
>Who the fuck swaps out HDDs on a daily basis?
I'm recovering data from a faulty HDD right now which hangs up every half hour and needs to be reconnected. This is much more difficult on the R5 than it is on my previous P183, where I could just reach down and reconnect the drive cables with one arm. On the R5, the HDD bays are so cramped that I can't do that.
I could install the drives with all the connectors on the front, but then they cannot be routed efficiently (underneath or behind the bays) due to not being long enough. I thought of routing the sata cables underneath each drive, but that wouldn't help either due to the power cables being locked together.
On the P183 I could take out the entire hdd bay, disconnect a drive, rotate the bay, then unscrew and pull it out from behind.
What the fuck is the point of having 4+ hdd slots if you can't swap them, it's retarded.
And the hdd grommets are so fucking useless on the R5, they are too thin, they don't block fuck all drive vibrations. I had to order spares from Antec and put them in the R5.
Here is a detailed review of the CX430 that pushes 422W testing under 37 resp. 48°C just fine, with nearly excellent ripple, and okay capacitors. The only issue is a Crossload scenario with stressing the 3.3 and 5V rails only, and for data hoarding/servers where this might apply, you shouldn't buy a CX or anything in its class anyway.
Google -> Sites with real-world benchmarks with actual applications and games under realistic conditions.
This >>52317358 is also based on real-world scenarios, albeit a little outdated sometimes.
Downgrades for 2017
AMD Zen FX-8550e budget CPU
4GB of DDR4 2133 in single channel
AMD R9 Gemini
AMD stock cooler
Foxconn AM4 motherboard
80GB 5400rpm SATA II HDD
Gotta support AMD at all costs, amirite ;^)
The lists on cpuboss are mostly based on synthetical benchmarks, which are almost worthless to determine the actual performance of a CPU. (And GPU, respectively.)
What you want are benchmarks with actually used applications. In which case, you have to separately google reviews of certain chips getting tested under these. They're pretty much always compared to other chips anyway, if you google the 4690K for tests, you'll see it matched to the 8350 and others, for example.
Hi anon. Modern Markets are driven mostly via computers (pick/board related). So big index funds literally just by every-single-stock-on-the-market. This is the safest investment to make. So its all the rage. Furthermore the index funds will not only buy shares in the US, but China, GER, UK, FR, AUS, KPOP, Japan, Hong Kong.
Next you got inter-connectivity. China tanks, so AUS tanks because their entire economy is pinned to mining Iron/Coal for China. Hong Kong tanks because IT IS CHINA. Index funds now *rebalance*, which means sell off US shares. But when you sell of a COUPLE MILLION dollars it has ripples.
EVERYTHING drops. Now if you are smart you buy those US Tech Stocks which are basically nothing but good news for 5-10% lower then they were LAST WEEK. Just in time for Christmas earnings reports.
How is /wage/slave doing?
I can almost never find my CPUs in those lists as they're usually too old. Celeron 100u, i5 2400 and a xeon 1260v2. It's more curiosity, to see how much improvement is to current generations compared to mine. Most benches only include a few samples from last generation and compare it to the current.
I mean I know not to take cpuboss serious but its a good concept, shame they used the wrong benchmark methodology.
>Don´t understand how all the retards buy corsair or something like that and think they are the best.
went from a s12g 750w non modular PSU to a RM1000x modular PSU that's rated 10/10 by johnnyguru and has a 7 year warranty. your argument should be against people who buy CX PSU's for high end builds autismo.
So its pretty much confirmed to be substantially weaker than intels 2017 offerings since that's what it'll be competing with (q4 2016 zen release). Who in their right mind would buy this shit when it's probably not even going to be more powerful than my current 4690k even though my cpu is old now.
What's going to happen is everyone will just buy old i7 4790ks since they'll be cheaper and more powerful than any zen offering.
>Anti-white is not racist. It's racial correction.
Not correct. Whites are fast becoming minorities in many countries. In the USA for example, whites already lost majority among children. Once that generation grows up, whites won't be a majority country wide.
Some other countries have it worse. France has 50%+ black birth rates in the Paris area (10-20% in other areas, Bretagne was the lowest with 5% or so). And that was in a very old study; the current African refugee flood is making things worse.
Asians could be best summed up as diligent worker ants. Plus they also have higher intelligence, so they know better than to kick up a fuss.
And yeah, they are a minority. Hispanics are expected the become the biggest race in the USA in a generation or so. Whites are on a decline, while blacks are, interestingly, levelling out.
>Who in their right mind would buy this shit
People who don't have a 4690k in their system.
If it's anywhere close to Intel whilst at a lower price, we already have a deal.
Stop being an autist and measure everything to the top-level performance, that's only important in the server/enterprise area and even there it could be an option if the performance/dollar is better. (Without the overall performance being severely behind.)
>Who in their right mind would buy this shit
Not everyone has Haslel. This is more for the *bridge and other AMD guys. I would upgrade to a 5820k from a 3570k, but I'd rather wait for an 8 core since it'll be better than my 3570k and have the extra cores for the rendering and VMs.
>its a good concept, shame they used the wrong benchmark methodology.
They use no usable benchmarks, which is why they have such a massive list of CPUs and GPUs. They just scrape the technical details from other sites and use those to give bullshit numbers.
now, you self hating submissive cuck
Reminder this is a leaked intel road map for releases..
>10 core cpus
Fuck off with the politics bullshit, pinko.
AM3+ requires like a northbridge and a south bridge, most CPUs now have it all intergrated and so will AM4 CPUs
the first chips for AM4 will be APUs that make use of DDR4 and will the desktop variants of Carrizo APUs
So no, of course it's not backwards compatible
anything Seasonic or SuperFlower made is god tier
this includes some Corsair or EVGA stuff
if you're buying on brand alone you're missing out on possible deals. always check who makes what.
>they'd make the entire low-end GPU market obsolete.
That's why you pack more compute units into your GPUs. The physical size of the GPU shrinks with each die shrink, so it's only common sense to pack in more transistors in a similar amount of silicon for almost the same price.
I thought they called it GCN 4.0
It might pack more shaders and TMUs into each GCN unit, or more directly tie the ROPs to each GCN unit rather than having them serve the entire GCN Core. Perhaps more L1 cache as well?
>talk about cpus
>the 980ti is still faster
>nvidia will be fucked when DX 12 comes out
You wouldn't add more ALUs to the CU, you'd be decreasing throughput, and decreasing the number would send heat through the roof.
The primary change to the CU itself is the scalar processor.
>Maybe tech forums can now stop with the "AMD will be vastly superior to Nvidia in DX12" nonsense.
AMD did mention in an interview to Anandtech that the GCN architecture is relatively unchanged for Polaris, so it might actually be the same number of shaders and TMUs per GCN unit, but more units per CU core.
>, so it might actually be the same number of shaders and TMUs per GCN unit, but more units per CU core.
Holy fucking shit this is painful to read.
Stop trying to use terms you don't understand.
It is 64 ALUs per CU. This is not ever going to change for the GCN architecture.
Fuck, I meant GCN. Didn't realize it until I reread my post. I even had this open on my other tab, so I have no excuses.
Where are the flux capacitance impeders in the computational vertex rendering units?
what is latest i5 XXXXk compared to 2500k?
Did Intel actually advance in these years without competition?
They seem to compare CPU's to anything but those golden Sandy Bridge ones, can't see them on any benchmarks.
Is it actually because no inprovement?
Skylake ranges from 5% to 30% faster than Sandy Bridge on average, and in a few more niche workloads its over 70% faster, though no consumer would ever benefit from obscure AVX utilization.
Lack of competition has nothing to do with intel's marginal performance uplifts generation to generation. This is simply diminishing returns in full effect, and they're spending money where it matters for the consumer market.
>If they made a budget quad-core Zen APU with that iGPU they'd make the entire low-end GPU market obsolete.
They are supposed to, and with one stack of HBM to boot (512mb). But you have to wait till 2017 for those.
If they could put 4 stacks of HBM2 in an APU, then they could make a smaller form factor that does away with RAM slots too.
They do make 16 core chips, they're called Opterons.
They do make dual socket mobos, they're for Opterons.
>, and with one stack of HBM to boot (512mb)
Buddy, no one is producing 512MB die stacks. It would be 1GB or more.
HBM isn't going to replace conventional DRAM. Ever.
okay, it's pretty clear that I need to go to sleep then, since I'm making very ridiculous mistakes when quoting numbers (it's 7:42AM mind you and I spent the week reading chunks of data from a dying 3tb had drive).
Why not? The custom jaguar chips used in the PS4 use a similar configuration only with GDDR5.
If AMD were to release an APU with 4/8GB of HBM on die you would have no need for a GPU under $150 since it will not have the same memory bandwith restrictions as their current APUs. Especially when they can improve the amount of CU's.
The PS4 APU uses a couple ring buffers to deal with the fucked up timings of the system memory. This is a work around and a performance compromise. The PS4 has this configuration only to reduce manufacturing cost and complexity.
The final HSA spec does not require a single fully HUMA address space. A chip can have two different address spaces and use them as fit for the given type of workload, and that is the way future chips from AMD will function. DDR4 serves as system memory while HBM is video buffer and flat address space for compute workloads.
Because if they show what they got now Intel will come out with something that appropiatly blows it away by 5percent causing intel fanboys to go like " OHH I TOLD YALL FAGGOTS THAT ZEN WAS SHIT INTEL LATEST CHIP 5% FASTER OHHHH"
Same shit happened with the ps4 and xboxone, remember?
xbox shoed their cards first and everyone was like fuck that shit, then few months later sony shows their ps4 and it becomes the better system prcie wise
>If it's anywhere close to Intel whilst at a lower price, we already have a deal.
Sure, it'll be cheaper but it'll also be significantly weaker than the latest 2017 intel offerings which is quite a big gap. You can probably compare it to an fx 8350 vs i7 4790k right now. Cheaper yes, but significantly worse performance. And just like now, people would rather spend a little more for that much superior performance. I can't see good things unfortunately. Maybe I'm just a negative guy.
With new drivers the fury x is actually faster than the 980 ti.
Yet another horribly stupid thing to say. This sentiment is mindlessly regurgitated all over /g/, and not a single one of you has any idea what the words even mean.
The primary growth segment they're targeting is enterprise where they can leverage their freedom fabric IP. A server chip doesn't need to offer 1:1 performance parity with the competition per socket when its multi socket scaling is higher. The Zen based products will provide a positive ROI, they will bring in steady revenue. Even if they managed just a 20% uplift over Excavator they'd still have a better positioned product lineup than they do now.
Little plebs like you can look at an Anandtech bench and shout "ZOMG GUYS XD LE ZEN IS FAIL XDDDD" but that has no bearing on how a company actually runs.
They aren't near bankruptcy.
The CPU division isn't in any trouble.
As a matter of fact the successor to the Zen core has been well into development since the beginning of 2015, a second team is leap frogging, and this trend will continue onwards for the foreseeable future.
I don't think you realize just how far behind they are even on servers, there's literally no reason to buy an Opteron CPU unless MAYBE you need to run a ton of virtual machines
If zen is a flop they'll have no where to go really unless someone buys them out and gives them the proper funding to compete with intel better
>The company isn't near bankruptcy,
They almost run out of funds. Last time I heard they only had a couple hundred million in free cash, which for a company of such size is chump change.
>and hype doesn't bring in revenue.
It has a positive effect on share prices however, brokers will see the hype and will want to get stocks while the prices are still low, increasing demand, and thus pumping up shares. Strong numbers will also bring in investors; all of this means more cash for AMD to put into either R&D or into increasing inventory for any products they have that do sell fine.
>saying even more stupid shit
I'm well aware of AMD's position in the enterprise market, they're sitting at about 1% market share.
AMD is a company generating revenue in the range of $5,000,000,000 per year. They have around $2,000,000,000 in long term debt, and they're teetering on breaking even since restructuring. This is not what a company looks like when they're on a death spiral, this is what a company looks when they're about to pay off all their debt and operate cash in hand.
You are right in that for enterprise market, the most important thing is performance per space, not performance per core.
But, Intel has all the markets bribed up to their eyeballs, and AMD has minimal market presence especially in enterprise. And they don't even have a competitive product to sell, didn't have since years.
I don't think Zen will make or break the company, but it definitely sounds like a big last hurrah that, if it doesn't work out, will leave them in an unimaginably big shit. If not making them bankrupt, then simply marginalizing them further, to where VIA was on the x86 market ten years ago.
If Zen is a flop, AMD's CPU division is dead. AMD will split into half again (Gloflo was the first split), and the CPU division will cut down hard and end up turning into VIA 2.0 or something.
AMD spun off their fab because it was an endless money sink. They weren't competitive, they were constantly late, they ran in to technical hurdles which caused major setbacks routinely. To this day the only reason why Global Foundries is operating is because they've been constantly injected with foreign capital, they require constant stimulus to keep running. Shedding that cancerous weight was one of the best things AMD ever did.
The CPU division of AMD, which is the center of the entire company, is profitable. There are no parallels to draw between this and their fab.
Stop throwing words together just because you think they sound right. The sentences you're posting are painfully stupid.
not the great and glorious mips, capable of executing x86 and arm code natively.
What is the point of buying a $500 graphics card when you can't get 60 FPS on Ultra anyway?
Why not just get a cheap as fuck card and reduce the graphics settings?
I don't think you realise how poor sli scaling is next to crossfire.
>You can probably compare it to an fx 8350 vs i7 4790k right now.
An 8350 is not 80% of a 4790k, it barely matches a 4690 and that only with highly threaded shit like x264 - in everything else, it greatly falls off. Count in IPC and we're in the 60s, albeit Bulldozer vs Haswell is a little bit difficult to compare due the first one's inconsistent performance through its modular design. Nonetheless, unless you want some cheap threaded number cruncher, the 83XXs aren't an option right now.
What I meant is something like the Phenom II. It didn't blow away Intel's Nehalem, but it was quite decent at standing up against it, at least for non-enthusiasts, with an IPC around 70-80% and similar clockspeed limits, without burning coal like a steam train. 940s and 955s were all over the place. A lof of people also bought the Thuban chips.
Bulldozer even was a step back from the K10. The first iteration had a lower IPC and higher power consumption WHILST being based on a lower lithography. Even just shrinking their old chips probably would've been a better choice.
Considering that AMD's current FX chips are still based on Piledriver, which is already succeeded by Steamroller and soon Excavator with higher IPCs already, it's very likely that Zen, if it's going to be a major jump, will probably at least reach out to Haswell, which in turn is close to Skymeme and I doubt that Kaby Lake is gonna be more than the usual 10%.
10nm Cannonlake will most likely not approach before summer 2017, if even at this point. Intel even stated so themselves by giving up their ticktock. Zen is going to launch in Q4 of this year, so late 2017/early 2018 will be most likely Zen+.
>Maybe I'm just a negative guy.
You're just acting retarded.
>barely matches a 4690 and only in situations that take advantage of 8 loads
An fx 8350 can beat a haswell i7 when all 8 threads are being utilized.
Not in every application, but the fact that the fx 8350 was meant to compete against lga1155 just shows how powerful it was at the time.
I accept that it has a shit ipc and loses in almost every application that uses fewer threads, but it's still capable of outperforming a fucking haswel i7.
People really don't value their PSUs enough. If a CPU is the brain of a computer then the PSU is the heart. Even if the brain is malformed and retarded it can keep on ticking so long as the PSU is solid.
Nobody is going to program 8 separate threads you fucking moron. Especially not for 100 year old programs they keep re-releasing with 10% more features at full price which is 99% of the commercial software market.
So which is it?
If nobody is going to go multi-threaded then the i5 and i7 chips are a scam and we should all buy the anniversary pentium. If multi-threading is A Thing™ then the i7 and fx chips are both very good at what they do (and in some workloads makes the 8350 a true monster for the money).
/g/ likes likes to move the goalposts to ensure Intel is ALWAYS (regardless of context) leagues ahead of AMD. Every fucking thread about cpus has /g/ spout memes, ignorance and general stupidity followed by repeated goalpost moving to ensure no AMD cpu is ever competitive in any scenario, regardless of evidence suggesting otherwise.
Who the fuck plays games with 720p on minimum with shitting intergrated graphics?
And all this proves is that AMD has better graphics on the APU and that you are a retarded cherry picking chimp.
>And all this proves is that AMD has better graphics on the APU
Given its a review of integrated graphics yes I do suppose that is the point of the chart.
>and that you are a retarded cherry picking chimp.
You would be wise to learn how many systems are sold without a dedicated gpu.
Ignore the retards with muh obscure multithreading parroting. Every major program is multithreaded now,especially new games thanks to consoles. More cores of AMD did show its value this year because more and more games took advantage of multithreading. Intel's offerings are also focusing on multithreading, and it's very important for low power CPUs and mobile market.
It's an APU, of course it outperforms a CPU in GPU related tasks.
Why are you being a retarded chimp?
>many systems are sold without a dedicated GPU
And many systems don't actually need a GPU because 99% of the office boxes only produce spreadsheets.
If you're going to compare graphics for gaming use a fucking rig that someone will actually use instead of the reason AMD is in fucking trouble right now. Making stupid as fuck products that nobody will actually buy and use.
>It's an APU, of course it outperforms a CPU in GPU related tasks.
You do understand the vast majority of intel chips have onboard graphics right? AMD calling their particular approach an APU is just that, a label.
Do you even understand anything?
Yeah they do, and if you want something better you go out and get a GPU. It's good enough for low level basic tasks.
An APU isn't a budget option when it comes to that level of spending. Why pay $139 for an APU that will run some shitty game at 720p on minimum settings instead of a far superior i3 that will improve productivity with it's superior IPC performance for productivity tasks?
The only people who would buy AMD APUs are children who are trying to trick their parents into buying gaming capable systems.
I cannot even begin to fathom this level of stupidity.
If you are doing serious cpu crunching you aren't using an i3, so "muh productivity" is not a viable excuse. If you are just doing general pc usage (web browsing, typing documents etc etc) either both chips will perform the same as none of those tasks taxes a modern chip. The second you want to do anything gpu related (like say...play league of legends or the sims or other such light usage cases) the i3 will generally fail to deliver performance whereas the AMD chip will run such games at reasonable framerates.
Plus the AMD chip is doing it within a TDP not far beyond the intel chip.
For the most part typical desktop usage within the performance tier both the i3 and the 7870k fall into is not limited on the cpu side in any form - both chips will downclock because the demand is so low.
Both will boot windows in the same amount of time for example as the system is bottlenecked on the hard drive side of things.
Not a single APU costs $139.
The most expensive one is the A10-7870K for $130 but the A10-7670K for $100 is almost as fast and still performs better than the i3-6100. Don't forget the much higher cost of Skylake motherboards too.
AMD A8-7670K + Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-H = $136
Intel Core i3-6100 + Asus Z170-A = $282
The APU build will be $146 cheaper and faster.
>much higher cost of the skylake motherboards
>mfw a shitty APU that loses on every level has worse performance
Intel HD 530 graphics isn't anything to sneeze at though and will outpeform that shit by about 20+ FPS and cream the shit out of it in every IPC benchmark and probably multicore too.
Your own chart has the skylake chips below a 7850k (and naturally a 7870k will be faster).
If you are going to cite broadwell you can fuck off - those chips are quite a bit more expensive.
an A10 7870k is the most expensive one though and again fits no purpose whatsoever except tricking parents into buying gaming capable systems.
The i3 with HD 530 graphics will shit on it's similarly priced rivals.
Just saying that AMD is dead and no amount of cherry picking can save it.
>The i3 with HD 530 graphics will shit on it's similarly priced rivals.
Despite the fact that 1) no evidence of that has been provided and 2) the evidence of skylake chips that has been provided is of the faster (more cache yo) i5 and i7 chips which are still losing to the 7850k.
Yeah but a 7850k only wins at grafix. You don't need uber grafix on a shitty business machine. You do however need excel and word not to crap out every time it's loading 10,000 macros
Not quite, the HD 530 has different iterations for the mobile CPUs, i3s, and i5/i7s. Usually it's clock speed differences, but also differences in cache size and memory allocation/bandwidth.
Skylake i3s have a worse iGPU performance than the i5/i7s, despite having the "same" iGPU. The A10-7870k beats the i3-6300 in this regard.
>this piece of shit spent $200 on his psu while my $20 one is working flawless after 5 years
I still don't understand why someone would need more than an FX 8350 as a consumer CPU.
I mean, what workflow do you have to have to require more?
The difference between it and a top of the line i7 is about 30%, and it loses on all multithread workloads.
I work on actuary, and things either run on my FX 8350 or have to be sent to the cluster, there is no middle ground.
No AM4 mobo will be that cheap.
AM1 was a full SoC, single channel memory, limited number of USB and SATA ports supported by the FCH on die. AM4 is none of this, and even has an optional super high performance chipset to supplement all AMD's new chips. Summit Ridge isn't competing against intel's i5s and i7s, its competing against the i7E chips. That 8 core/16 thread top binned Summit Ridge chip is a prosumer near professional workstation CPU, and the high end boards will be built around that. Even the low end boards are going to have a bare minimum above and beyond what FM2+ is offering now.
Very CPU intensive games such as Planetside 2. Even an overclocked 4790K can't keep stable 144 FPS. The only option is to add more cores. Too bad current 8 core AMDs are shit, and 8 core Intels cost too much.
D3D has nothing to do with how a given game engine addresses CPU workloads to threads. Reducing overhead in passing draw calls to the GPU provides only marginal performance uplifts at best, and does literally nothing to affect how the game itself is coded. A heavily serial game using DX12 isn't going to magically start utilizing 4+ threads for CPU tasks.
Stop trying to regurgitate meme bullshit when you know nothing about the topic. Go back to /v/ and stay there forever.
What interconnect buses are on die is irrelevant, that is only a matter of vendor specific implementation.
The facts of the matter are that the term APU is simply a marketing one. AMD doesn't have anything explicitly unique, only their own twist on something which is now a standard across industry.
Learned this the hard way. Started out with the shitty included no-name PSU in a shitty Raidmax case. Died within half a year. Went with a 80 plus bronze Thermaltake afterward that seemed to be fine, but when I went to a platinum Seasonic recently, it actually got rid of coilwhine from a GPU which I thought was just age on its part, and I didn't even realize how loud the fan was on the Thermaltake PSU until I saw just how silent the Seasonic was.
Don't skimp out on the PSU niggas. Save yourself money in the long run and get one with a 7 year warranty.
I don't think you understand how /g/ works amigo. No amount of evidence will stop anon from believing the memes.
>implying Intel HD graphics can compete with an APU at that price range
The point of those graphs is too show that An APU haa a better gpu than any i3 or i5.
You can play some older games on them, or even battlefield 4 if you're fine with medium settings.
An a8 7600 is much better value than an i3 4170