Depends on what you are doing. If you're a producer or something and you're rendering mad VSTs live or some shit a sound card will do it in a performant and good-sounding way that integrated audio won't. I'm gay.
You can tell the difference. Well, probably not you poorfag teen virgins with your faggot gayming headsets. "Tests" done on untrained normals from irreputable organizations don't fucking count. You must be a retard. Try it yourself before you come to that conclusion.
Nah they're not a meme, but you don't need to spend >$60 either. Look at Xonar DGX if you're primary headphones or Xonar DSX. If you have PCI slots, used is a good option. Creative SB Audigy2 ZS is dirt cheap and still one of the best cards for linux compatibility and good sound quality.
I'm thinking about getting a soundcard, or maybe a DAC. I noticed a while ago that music sounds slightly better on my phone, and I recently got a Surface which sounds so much better than my PC with the same headphones. I think this might be because I have a workstation motherboard that I got from a ThinkCentre that wasn't being used anymore, I'd imagine these kinds of motherboards don't need great onboard sound so they don't have it.
What do you think? Should I get a soundcard, and if so what one?
>>52280998 You can boil all the differences down to FR, timing, distortion and noise. Discrete external gear don't necessarily do better than onboard, especially if the onboard did it well enough to the ear.
Physicist and electrical engineer here. I work in the lab of one of the leading audio companies in the world (14 years experience). I can tell you right now sound cards are 95% meme. There are virtually no use cases for them due to the nature of digital audio and amplification. Happy to answer questions about the topic.
...But it certainly made sense for me to get a portable DAC for my cellphone right? The shit processor and amp in my phone really wouldn't be enough to drive my 32 ohm impedance headphones... and i can certainly hear the difference.
>inb4 he literally and actually bought ane external DAC for his phone
Been wondering this myself, since apparently the Realtek ALC887 onboard audio on my mobo (Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3H) sometimes lets through interference from the CPU heatsink/fan that sounds like a muffled lawnmower. Would a soundcard do me any good for getting around interference?
>>52281456 If you were an EE student you should know how the scientific method works and why you shouldn't accept shit just because its being market towards you. Maybe if you do a double blind study with a large sample size.
>>52281518 >isolated audio circuit i don't see any isolation transformers there, nigga i'd be willing to bet that MSI's interpretation of "isolated" is just keeping the analog traces away from the digital crap, which is what every PCB design engineer with half a brain would do anyway
>>52282103 At what point is it worth it? I own pic related and sometimes a loud buzzing noise happens. People over skype can hear it too and they complain it's deafening on their end. Would a card or external dac help me?
I can build a computer, but I have no idea how sound works. I always believed that having a sound card was important, so I've been using the same Creative xi-fi card for over 10 years across different builds. Say I want to continue to have good sound options (for headphones and speakers), and sound cards are no longer really necessary, what computer components do I need?
>>52282187 The integrated audio circuits on most mid and high end motherboards are of so high a quality that you really have absolutely no need to buy a sound card for most audio needs. There are those fringe users (ultra audiophiles, recording studios, 1337 DJs and producers and moneyed /g/eeks trying to brag on this Nepalese rice picking forum) for whom onboard sound still wont cut it, but for 99% of end users, its a more than adequate solution.
>what components needed
A mobo with a decent sound solution and quality headphnes
>>52282207 It's getting to a point where its drivers are horribly outdated. At least that's what I figure. The problem is after a couple days, the speaker option in my windows sound settings disappears. The only one left is External DAC or Headphones. I have to pretty much reinstall the Creative drivers for the Speaker option to come back. The same issue still occurs using those "Daniel K" forked drivers.
>>52280849 >Using the software that comes with my sound card.
The crime against humanity that comes with Creative sound cards kind of stretches the definition of software.
And all their "high quality audio" is actually a DSP effect. Foobar2k has a crystalizer plugin that does the same.
>>52280868 >They haven't been good in like 10 years.
Almost 20. Their last truly good card was the AWE32. Since then they only released sub-par crap and relied on suing the opposition into bankruptcy, and forcing game makers to support their proprietary standard EAX (essentially building their own market).
>>52280565 Depends on the reason you're getting it. It can sound slightly better on high quality headphones but unless you listen to them side by side you won't ever notice. I use one for a headphone amp and virtual 3d sound in vidya. SBX is way better than dolby digital which is usually used in onboard sound. https://youtu.be/2BxO9cd-sYA?t=30 check this out if you're curious about the differences in virtual 3d audio. It's premixed so turn off any audio effects you have on.
All I know is that my Xonar could convert any audio into 6channel dolby on the fly and send it over optical spdif, and that since my Xonar died I have to use three 3.5mm cables to get 6channel audio for everything which means I now get pops whenever the washing machine is going.
A USB sound card sounds like a better investment though.
>Buy a shitty virtual surround usb adapter for something like 50$ from a friend >hook it up with a pair of mid range earbuds >it sounds better than stereo and sort of emulates surround sound >get used to it >now everything sounds like shit in true stereo
You don't have to spend much to enjoy your 320 mp3s
I once pretended my mums Dell computer had a $1.000 sound card in it. My friends ate it all up, they even got me to rip their CD's for them. I even used to sell generic burned audio cd's for $5 each which I used a stamp set to stamp "Ultra High Quality Dolby Surround Sound Audio"
>>52280565 I have an MSI Z87-GD65. Although it sounded great, I've wanted a decent audio card once in my life, so I bought a Xonar DX. I'm very happy that I've bought it, I can hear things I've never heard with the integrated sound card on 5.1 and with my headphones. Sure, you can say that "it's on separate circuit, sounds good, blah blah blah", but I think that the external sound cards will be always better than the mobo's sound cards, and they're worth of their money.
>tl;dr not a meme, sounds better than my mobo's integrated sound card (Z87-GD65 Gaming), they're worth of buying if you have the money for it.
>>52282066 It's electromagnetic interference from the coils on your gpu I ended up building a separate system just for my sound card because of it Putting a ferrite core around your audio cable is supposed to help as well (I unfortunately didn't try)
>>52285945 sure faggot, ">Placebo.". I know what I heard when I used the DX for the first time - and when I've used my mobo's integrated sound card again to compare things. It wasn't as good as it was with the DX. Don't tell me what's placebo and what's not. I know what I've heard when I've compared the two sound cards in my system.
>>52282599 Creative SoundBlaster cards used to do this until Microsoft became a jew with windows vista and forced many manufacturers to change the driver design because of pirating and removed the synth/wave loop from the operating system. I hate the new sound stack in the current version of windows today.
Windows 2000 and Windows 98 had it much better when WDM existed. VxD was pretty much a clusterfuck but again, Creative was king with external amplifiers....
The reason why we don't have many soundcards with external DAC's is due to Microsoft's demands. Starting with windows Vista/server 2008
>>52284394 If you have conduit in the house, run another wire and install another breaker if you can; this will stop. I have a 1500w heater that used to cause static, I put the outlet on it's own circuit and utitilized 12 gauge wire and a GFCI plug with usb port for my phone.
Static stopped + QUALCOMM 2.0 charging on the same outlet.
IF you have no more room in the panel, use a cheater if you can
The only reason I got a soundcard around 2008 was because my shitty internal motherboard sound didn't let me record Stereomix for both videos or getting sound effects. I swear though, I thought i heard some sound effects in War Thunder with that old Audigy ZS that I wouldn't hear in my 1 year old computer.
What the fuck are you chugging? I want some. Of course it's not a meme if you're using a 2006 PC with very very shitty onboard audio. But that's long gone and now, it's a meme. >>52286681 Literally cheaper buying new mobo if your audio ports stop working.
Yes less noice and hiss, and better recording mic. utnil linux fucks up almost everyrhing, but thanks based mint for oftb xonar support. Debian lacks it. And fuck you linux for trying to actualy record something and random audio strange souds. Not supporting any reasonable audio standards and mixing. Pls make better alsa and pulseaudio
>>52280565 Yes cards but not DACs, especially if you have a laptop. All my laptops have some weird audio buzzing sound and my external DAC solves that problem. It doesn't sound any better than the onboard DAC other than having no more buzzing.
>>52286471 You don't have to do a double blind whatever if you look at the specs. S/n should be 90 db or above. Distortion should be low as possible. Dynamic range should be above 100db. Go from there.
No me neither. I love the foobar/ASIO setup I have as well to automatically change sampling. The only problem with mine is the LED light for the USB has failed, but it's like a 3-4 week turnaround and I'm not that bothered.
Used to be running it with some Monitor Audio BR2s which I preferred, but needed something smaller for my dorm so now I'm using Q Acoustics 3010, which still sound great.
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