Comcast is careful to avoid claiming their caps are necessary to pay for heavier usage because there's simply no technical justification for that claim.
While Comcast wants to bill like a utility, it has vehemently opposed being regulated as such. As a result millions of people face steep broadband price hikes for usage via meters that aren't being confirmed accurate by a reliable third party. Imagine an electricity and gasoline industry where pumps and meters weren't regulated, then imagine the resulting inevitable fraud complaints being policed by Comcast's not-so-award winning customer service department.
Comcast leaked documents, its primary engineer and the industry's top lobbyists have even admitted caps have nothing to do with congestion, and aren't an effective tool to manage network load anyway.
The problem is the public that can't tell the difference between a gigabyte and gelatin.
At the end of the day Comcast's usage caps are about one thing: socking uncompetitive markets with higher prices, and protecting legacy TV revenues from Internet video. Every other excuse that's been proffered by ISPs (at least here in the States where bandwidth and transit costs are low) is total and utter nonsense.
On mobile so bear w me.
>live in one of the areas for Comcast "trial".
>Ask to opt out, Rep says you can't, have 30 min argument with 3 people about what the word trial means.
>realize I'm gonna have to pay 30 bucks a month for the same service I have already, fuck
>Comcast gives you 3 overages before they start charging 10 bucks for every 50 gb over
>I use around 1800 gb a month in a house of 5 people
>use all 3 "courtesies" in Oct, Nov, dec.
>today, call to have unlimited because I have literally no other isp option.
>we can't put it on for January we have to wait until Feb.
>what about the overages? Well you can regulate yourself or we'll charge the 10 per 50 gb, or when you get to 300 you can unplug your modem.
>what? So you're forcing me to pay for the same service I already have, and then tell me you can't provide me with the service you're forcing on me?
>did quick math, 10 for 50 gb, 20 for 100,1800 minus 300 is 1500, 15 x 20 is 300.
>"So you want me to pay 300 dollars because Comcast can5 provide a service it's forcing on me.
>3 different people and 2 hours later I was "escalated to a senior rep who will call you back in 48 to 72 hours".
If they try and give me the run around I'm going to the store in person and cancelling my contract, taking the 110 a month I would be spending on them and getting an unlimited wireless plan on my cell and tethering. I would rather go through all that hassle than get fucked by Shit cast any more.
comcast isnt the only fucking cancer in the isp community.
I have fucking charter and it makes me want to burn their shit to the ground.
They oversold all the nodes around me so i get 5mbps download instead of the 60 im supposed to get, but the worst part is the ping is around 500ms to the same fucking town i live in from 4pm to 12am and ofcourse anywhere farther away is worse.
calling them doesnt do shit of course
No caps as far as i can tell though, usually run through 1000gigs or so in a month
>tfw your options are jewcast at 140/15, centuryjew at 7/whatever and a myriad of wireless ISP's with at best spotty coverage and speed
at least I have no caps and they don't give a fuck about torrenting, for now
if they pull any bullshit caps on my I've got my entire neighborhood ready to switch to someone else, even paying to get fiber rolled out if we need to
I dropped comcast when they enabled the 250gb data cap in my city. I was paying like $80 a month for cable and 6mbps internet and using close to a tb of data a month.
Recently I switched to tmobile, got the $95/month unlimited high speed lte plan, pay $7/month for a VPN (private internet access), and $7/month for netflix. Everything totals to almost $120 with taxes and whatnot.
BUT, as least for now everything is super fucking cash. I connect my phone to a laptop with pdanet, enable the VPN on my phone, and turn my laptop into a hotspot. Average speeds around 8mbps and I used like 900gb of data last month.
I'm going to ve really salty when tmobile realizes I am a thieving nigger and forces me to go back to sucking cumcast's dick. Maybe I'll just give up internet for good at that point.
I don't know if you should do what I did. It's a risky tactic to avoid the shot stain that is comcast. I've been good for 3 months so far.
I think the better issue is that if it hits the mainstream, it'd legitimize their dumb "We have competition*" defense.
*Competition includes Wireless services and HughesNet
this, goddamn I feel truly sorry for our Amerifat friends
>live in britain
>basically every ISP is available in most of the country
>ADSL, cable, LLU, everything
>fibre is available even in the fucking rural highlands
>unlimited fibre packages for ~$50
>I have the 250 mbps plan and download about a terabyte a month and they don't give me shit.
Not yet at least..
Wait a few more years and there will be a call to increase revenue and your number will be up.
I have a feeling that kind of shit you do will eventually come to an end/be throttled.
it can really only be sustained if you're one of the few people doing it in your area.
Plus eventually that 8mbit won't be good for much
>the size of a few states
so then a few states should have good speeds then ? right.
Or at least those densly packed counties.
>top 100 counties account for 133m people
>still shit internet inside them
lets stop pretending that comcast just physically can't roll out enough cable to service all those customers with better speeds, the truth is they have you by the balls and will only do as much as needed and nothing more, there is no real competition in american for ISPs
Wow, felt like I was pushing my luck every time I got close to 100 GB. Now I feel a lot better after reading this thread. All I really need besides plaintext is porn, and there's no way I'd run through more than a few GB of that in a month. What are you guys even downloading anyway to use over a terabyte monthly? Trashy TV shows? Hilariously oversized AAA games? Entire discographies that you'll never listen to?
The concept of data cap is so fucking weird to me. I mean, youre paying for a service so why should you pay an extra fee to a company for more of that service? I could understand 3G/4G internet data caps but cable is beyond my comprehension.
Top kek usa
The best part is how the companies spin this
>You don't want to subsidize heavy users , do you?
>Your bill will go down if you are a lite user
Yeah go down a whole $2-5/month, everyone else goes up and then people get fucked with over usage fees.
NetWorx is free
Dumeter is another one, not free but more polished.
But what about the other companies that do the exact same thing? Are they owned by comcast or something? Monopoly is horrible, but even in my country, we have like only 5 companies that control 95% of data flow and they still cant enforce dats caps.
>"you know what? fuck you guys. I've been a loyal customer for x years and always paid my bills. This is how I'm rewarded? by charging me $300 for a $30/m service? if you don't stop this bullshit, I'll be switching to [insert next best isp in area]. I want to talk to your supervisor NOW!"
>"please sir, I know you're irate but I understand your situation. If you can wait xyz minutes, I'll get this situation looked at."
Repeat the first line to the manager/supervisor/etc
Never thought I'd say this, but thank god I have Time Warner... they were so close to getting bought too.
fuck off shitter
Your country has more aircraft carriers then my country has large city's but people paying good money can't maintain a fucking Internet call with me while gaming.
It's fucking embarrassing.
I'm so sick of dealing with this shit from Comcast. They refuse to give me a business account at a residential address, and they refuse to let me pay for more than 300gb at a monthly rate.
This makes me want to cry a little. Like living on a starvation diet while watching people gorging at the buffet.
THERE IS NO EMOTICON FOR WHAT I AM FEELING
ITT: children complaining a company sets limits on things the company owns.
Nobody complaining is over 25, I.e. Never rented a car before. Complain about 9/gal if you dont bring it back full or dont pay for bring it back empty.
Children, own a business then complain. Or work for a corporation.
I am stuck on 80 gigs a months at a top DL speed of 10 megabits, but I'd be lucky to get that because satellite internet.
Wanna know what makes things worse? My neighbors who live four spans away have Rogers with unlimited 250 megabit download on coax-fiber hybrid. Only paying 120 canadabucks a month for everything on TV, a great home phone service, and that internet. I pay 80 a month just for this internet service.
You're dumb, the limits are completely arbitrary and limiting and they are completely anti-consumer. People above 25 do give a shit, what the fuck does renting a car have to do with it?
That's the thing though, I'm not on Rogers. I'm on Comcast's retarded Canadian (redundancy lmao) cousin, Xplornet. I've called Rogers multiple times and they said they might be able to check it out, but I never get calls back, and when I call, they said no work order has ever been put in for it.
Monopoly....literally hundreds of isp options
Just like apple charging 1000+ for phones with not $1000 hardware. Rent a car, then complain about the price of stuff like data caps
>Monopoly....literally hundreds of isp options
No there aren't, geographic monopolies restrict peoples ability to have choices when it comes to their internet, in a majority of locations in america you either have internet from one company or you don't have internet at all.
unlike the ISP's There are more than one phone provider and phones as a whole aren't limited by geographical monopolies at all, I can readily change between AT&T, verizon, or who ever at any time with no bearing on my location or anything. I have multiple choices.
You're comparing a service that is an integral part of hundreds of millions of peoples lives that is extremely difficult to go without in this day and age, where there is no competition in many areas to a phone service that isn't monopolized at all
well something stronger than just a wifi, maybe some directional microwave antenna or some shit.
its entirely possible.
I have an Idea for free internet
Say you have 2 computers connected to a LAN, but you aren't connected to the internet on either of them. You are still able to transfer files between the computers easily. Now, if you were connected by a wireless router, any computer within the range of the wireless signal will be able to transfer files between each other. Then you decide to use a signal booster to increase the range of your wireless network so that you'll be able to share files with everyone in your neighborhood.
This is where my idea comes in. Internet connections usually cost money to maintain, you have to spend more to get more bandwidth and plus they are slower than direct LAN/WLAN connections. What if you were to give out signal boosters to people all over the city, and go on for every square-mile until your LAN can be accessed by millions of people? Hell, with strong enough signal boosters it should be theoretically possible to spread it all across North America. Everyone would be able to share files/folders with everyone else, WITHOUT needing access to the internet. IP addresses can't even be used to track down because it's a network without internet access, your IP address would not be associated with any ISP.
Download speeds would be amazing, they would only be limited by the strength of the wireless signal, so in any urban area you'd never get speeds lower than 10MB/s. At first it would just be like a P2P program where you'd download files from other people's shared folders, but then websites would not cost anything to host because it's just a matter of putting your website in a shared folder and leaving your computer on.
Shit, everything about this sounds awesome. The only downside I could see of this is that being connected to the same network leaves everyone's computers wide open to hackers... who gives a fuck I want to try this. I wonder how much money it would cost to start out and get enough of a signal to cover a few blocks.
not gonna lie, I'm a TWC customer and I have actually had a positive experience with them overall.
One of my TVs has Roku built in so I use the TWC app all the time to watch TV instead of renting a box. My data usage is always above 500GB a month.
thank god Comcast isn't buying us, I'd be forced to switch providers
I'm happy with my internet. Fiber to the house. Tv tv tv. Vudu.. no caps. 7.2MB/s dl from steam. Movie channels I rarely watch. A landline too.
All for only $189 every month. And I give them another $45 per month for a 1gig mobile.
Jesus wtf I am giving all this money for? I used to have a 1200 baud modem and I loved it. Fuck all this shit. Back to nature.
1 mobile phone
Will trade for cabin in the woods.
>Download speeds would be amazing, they would only be limited by the strength of the wireless signal
Actually, that should say:
Download speeds would be horribly slow because they are limited by the strength of the wireless signal, and the huge contention for the limited number of channels.
one thing to keep in mind to justify the cost of using unlimited wireless as an option is a part of the total price is also a phone service, which I assume you'd have anyways.
Granted, I have an old plan back before wireless carriers started assraping people and so my particular case doesn't apply to most.
I pay, now (after they raised the grandfathered plan price from $30 to $50), $130 a month after taxes, fees, and the insurance plan for Verizon unlimited 4G and phone service.
It's basically $50 a month for the phone service, and $50 a month for an unlimited data 30-40Mb ISP, plus 10 for the insurance.
Believe it or not the insurance is cost effective for a clumsy dipshit like me when I also get a considerably better phone every 2-3 years.
tl;dr good on you for giving the finger to landline ISPs
>explain how you can't set up a statewide network
Not letting you get Business at your residence?
They're humping my leg trying to get me to switch to Business at my house.
They even tell me "you wont be charged for data overages, it's unlimited!" when I'm not even in a cap area
It all has to do with networking infrastructure. Say in your area the backhaul can support 1gb/s. You have 40 customers in the area, some have 50mbit plans others have 150 whatever, they're not all going to use it at once right? Let say 10 of those customers are heavy data users and together are tapping the connection. Throttling those people allows you to get more data out to other customers.
Is it ethical? Maybe not because they've clearly oversold in an area.
My theory is that it starts with quality control within the company. They want to make sure their employees are performing up to a certain standard so they implement a minimum signups/month rule. To keep your job you need 4 signups a month or something. Those who get the most signups are rewarded while those who don't get fired.
When it's home, food, and comfort on the line people don't give a shit if it's ethical to oversell in an area. The company, now realizing they don't have the infrastructure implement data caps as a way try even out how service is provided because they make the same amount of money off of you as they do from Aunt Beatrice who uses 10gb a month to check her email.
I'm so fugged if Comcast ever enforces a 250gb limit in my area
I'd use it up in the first week
I live in a country where the biggest connection can only reach 20 mbps and still anyone in my country has ever had this bullshit.
>buy a car
>petrol company gives you petrol every month
>you have to buy a set amount at the start of the month
>end of the month they take the unused petrol back
>nobody else is allowed to sell this petrol
>their petrol is borderline magical and doesn't actually cost them anything to produce
>Nobody complaining is over 25
i get it, you are 25 and have a job that pays well and no financial responsibilities, when you have to balance a budget you'll care about being overcharged by about $60 a month, and when you have a family you'll care about that 300gb limit for no reason
>Have Verizon FIOS
>connection is around 25 Mbps but is generally stable
>rarely ever hear from them since they don't try to shaft us like OP.
I actually feel kinda bad. I would rip my hair out if my ISP tried to screw me over like that.
That's wrong though, they aren't throttling but instead limiting how much you can use a month. The real issue that all isp has is the peak congestion time which is around 6pm-12am when everyone is home at the same time and they are using the internet. Data caps do nothing at all to alleviate this so any justification for having caps is bullshit.
dude, stop using that shit as an excuse.
You can't even wire up individual counties with decent speeds.
it was only when google fiber came into the picture did ATT/whomever pay some lip service and say they are rolling out 1gigabit speeds
No one is asking talking about getting every rural bum fuck no where house wired up with 1gigabit fiber, your ISPs can barely roll out decent speeds to your most populated areas.
Shit, some have even abandoned wired connections all together and told people to use 3G/4G instead
Same shit. We've had this bullshit trial for like 2-3 years and just before they made the pricing $10/50GB it was like $20 or something per 50GB, so the one month where we went all out we ended up getting charged about $185. What's worse is their estimation compared to our router is way fucking off. Like 200GB off.
There's two kinds of cap. A soft cap and a hard cap. A soft one is where you hit your limit and then for the rest of the month your provider throttles you. The hard card is where they just cut you off.
If you think about it, both alleviate network traffic.
So you blow up the 2.4ghz band and the network is so slow its practically unuseable. Your tarded.
Not to mention you don't understand the purpose of the IP addressing scheme.
I'm glad I use my local ISP instead of AT&T or Comcast. My speeds may not be the best (6.5mbps), but their customer service is pretty good, and I don't have to fuck with caps. It may take me 9 hours to download a 30gb file, but they don't give me shit no matter how much data I use
Soft caps are usually reserved for wireless plans though that claim to offer unlimited until a certain amount. Comcast is offering a hard cap and after that you have to pay more, they don't just cut you off.
As a sup and representative for a cable company (not cumcast) we don't give a fuck.
I say sup and representative because I take "sup calls " two hours a day. Where instead of answering " thank you for calling x , my name is john" I say " thank you for waiting on the line, this is john. Floor supervisor , how can I help you "
BTW my name is not john
I figured out why Comcast hasn't put a cap on my internet yet. It's because I have FiOS in my area.
It's fucking amazing what competition can do isn't it?
Too bad they're only giving me 12 mb/s when I pay for 25 mb/s and they won't fix it and want me to pay $70 an hour for some chucklefuck contractor to come out here and tell me nothing's wrong
It's not in my area either but the only other option for me is ATT shit.
Currently with shitcast I have 75/5 (88/12 in real world) for $60/mo
ATT only offers 5/1 and it's around the same price.
>and you can use your own router.
what the fuck is this bullshit? I have my own modem and router and I'm a TWC customer
I'm not paying the TWC jew $10 a month to borrow their shitty equipment
The Optical Network Terminal, which is in my basement, converts the Fiber to a regular electrical signal.
The wire coming into my house is literally a Cat6 Ethernet cable that I can plug into anything.
FTTH installations don't have cable modems.
>The Optical Network Terminal, which is in my basement, converts the Fiber to a regular electrical signal.
And how much does Verizon charge you for that device? It's just something replicating the functionality of a modem.
0 dollars. It is part of their infrastructure. It is not the customers responsibility. It's typically located in your basement or the side of the house with your other utilities.
What state do you live in? FIOS got dumped in FL and TX and CA. I've been a pretty happy customer for almost 2 years now. I work from home and certain months blow through any cap if there is one (I have no real idea). My speeds are consistently in the 60-80 range and 20-50 up. But soon that's all going to shit when Frontier takes over. Holy fuck, I'd kill to be with Comcast, that's how fucking bad Frontier is.
Currently have 75/5 with shitcast for ~38/m. Ask for promotion rate. They will always have one. Use multiple point of entry (call customer service, online chat, local office). Get that shit reduced.
How are you niggers using so much bandwidth every month?
I'm not defending Comcast at all, but what the fuck are you 1TB+ guys doing? Do you torrent and seed multiple 4K films every day or some shit?
I dread the fucking day this cap bullshit comes here.
in theory there's nothing wrong with this, as a business model, GIVEN that the savings are passed onto customers (impossibly cheap plan for that bandwidth) and data caps being reasonable.
if you needed to rely on the bandwidth at any time and without limits, you would have to pay much more (business line or something like that).
I have Cox. They're pretty good.
I'm tickled by the fact that their video streaming service is named Cox On Demand.
I love how Comcast has tripled my internet speeds over the last 2 years. This way I can hit that cap in less than a week.
Protip: Not hitting your Comcast cap but wanna annoy Comcast? The Cap resets at the 1st of every month (not when your bill is due). So on the last 2 days find out what you have left and download like crazy and be sure to leave a little wiggle room just in case.
$55 a month for this, we're still in the 90s in my neighborhood.
why is america so much behind the rest of the world?
Anon, if you were on contract with them, rather than simply paying them for month to month service, SUE THEM FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT!
Because the country is so goddamn big, and the people spread out across that country (instead of being clustered around the south only, as Canada is), that getting internet access to fucking everybody is prohibitively expensive. In most areas, only one or two ISPs actually serve the public.
Comcast needs to be stopped at all cost.
They are trying desperately to control the internet and force us into a strict walled off domain where we're price gouged and manipulated. This is why I hope to god Google spreads their fiber network at a faster pace. America needs competition in order to protect the internet. Society needs to focus on shutting them down.
>why is america so much behind the rest of the world?
Because all superpowers come to an end. What you're witnessing is the slow collapse of a once great nation, as all good things come to an end. Capitalism ran it's course and it's proving that it no longer functions properly to sustain civilization, it's an old worn out engine that needs a complete redesign. So until that happens the old system must decay and it's already showing signs of that happening.
>It would be easier to just go move to a town that doesnt have comcast
Unfortunately moving is not an option. att just put wires out in my neighborhood but they're not up and running yet.
>Anon, if you were on contract with them, rather than simply paying them for month to month service, SUE THEM FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT!
>Because the country is so goddamn big, and the people spread out across that country (instead of being clustered around the south only, as Canada is), that getting internet access to fucking everybody is prohibitively expensive. In most areas, only one or two ISPs actually serve the public.
Part of the contract apparently was they can change the price based on availability and other "factors". I'm fucked.