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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
New 2016 ThinkPads announced:
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
Reposting question from the last thread.
I have about 250€ for a Thinkpad, is there any reason to get an X series over something like the T420? Size and weight are non-issues for me.
I am really unsure what to make of the new *60 series…
On the one hand, lenovo made a lot of good decisions (not trying to reinvent the trackpoint buttons again or a new keyboard again, built quality is supposedly quite good again, after the *20/*30 crap, focus on portability and battery life, modularity is back, seemingly much improved screens, even a fuckin OLED one and a glorious 3:2) but also a lot of bad ones (the keyboard is still shit, compared to the old non-chinkpads, they look like generic consumer laptops and the built quality is certainly not as good as it was, with their focus on thinness, they also removed quite a few useful features, the modules for the X1 tablet are probably a one time experiment and the screens are still all 16:9 crap except for one, making everything smaller than 14" unusable for anything besides watching movies).
I really need a new machine, and I was almost willing to spend around 2000€ for a new and improved X1 or T460s with a 3:2 13" screen, but i certainly aint paying more than 100€ for fuckin 16:9.
So what am I going to do? I currently have an 16:10 X200, and that screen is already quite the step down, compared to the X60, and the X220 and newer is simply unacceptable. T420 to 430(u/s) have too large bezels, but seemingly the T440s is OK, apart form the borked trackpoint buttons. Can you swap in an ultranav from the *50 series? Or just cover trackpad in some insulating tape, to at least stop the curser from moving when switching buttons with my thumb?
T450s seems quite good too, as is the current X1, but they are still too expensive. What kind of price drop can I expect in February, when the new series becomes available?
Nope, optical drives are all dead in the new machines.
Saying that, you can still fit 2 drives in. (PCIe SSD + 2.5" bay)
Reddit has all of the spec sheets:
T460p only comes with 1080p & 1440p IPS!
Deleted my other thread.
Here is the reply I got:
>compared to the old non-chinkpads, they look like generic consumer laptops
>caring about looks
>built quality is certainly not as good as it was
It's been relatively constant since the T400. Nowhere near as good as the old T60/61 days though.
>he T460p is a little thicker, at 0.96 inches, and heavier, at 4lb, using that extra thickness to handle the hotter processor, a huge 72Wh battery, and an optical drive.
THIS IS IT
THE PERFECT THINKPAD
WHEN IT COSTS $500 IN 2 YEARS IT WILL BE MIJE
>T460s with a 3:2 13" screen, but i certainly aint paying more than 100€ for fuckin 16:9.
Well if it's any consolation 1440p IPS is an option on the T460s.
16:10 IPS might be too difficult to source (X201s with 1440x900 panel was constantly hard to find because the panel had sourcing issues), 16:9 IPS is quite common.
>>caring about looks
Feel free to call me a faggot, but I care about the looks of thins I look at daily. Sadly, 90% of all laptops look like shit. There are worse offenders than the new thinkpads, but I really loved the asymmetric, boxy, form follows function, rubbery black stealth look of the old ones. The new ones are just slim hunks of plastic without any character of their own, just like all the acer crap at best buy.
>It's been relatively constant since the T400. Nowhere near as good as the old T60/61 days though.
From the few I had in my hands, the *20 and *30 series where shit, but maybe I got some duds? but the X1 carbon (if one ignores the fact that they totally and absolutely fucked up the keyboard in the first one) and the T450s I played around with last month, felt as good as my X61 (if I ignore the still way to huge bezels and the missing clamshell), so I have high hopes for the *60 series.
>really loved the asymmetric, boxy, form follows function, rubbery black stealth look of the old ones
I have just the machine for you.
What is supposed to be functional about a "laptop" that will burn my lap down to black carbon in the 10 minutes it will run before the battery is empty?
Its the whole package…
>how can we avoid stuff getting between keyboard and screen? - Make it a clamshell!
>Needs to be easy to grab and not atrract dust and fingerprints. - just dip in in rubber!
>We need to be able to see the keys in the dark. - just put a LED on the top of the screen
and so on
What's the cheapest quad core thinkpad/comparable brand laptop I could get? Portability is fairly important to me, battery life not so much.
Basically, I need something that I will largely be using for coding on-the-go (and banal stuff like emails), but has the capability of running simulations of 4-cores, without overheating, for ~1 week periods when I need it to.
Looking at the buyers guide, it seems there aren't any x-series with 4 cores, do any other brands offer something of that size with a quad core?
I should add, ideally I'd want something that has a similar performance to a stock clocked i5-2500, but in a laptop. Discrete graphics etc. are not relevant (although I always like something that can play civ).
I don't mind if it causes a house fire (or a hotel fire, as would be the case), I just need it not to throttle.
How big do you think I'd have to go? I'm sick and tired of 17" laptops.
As much as I don't like suggesting mobile workstations (I use one daily, not nice to carry about), they are the only kind of laptops really designed to take that kind of punishment. Look for the Dell Precisions if you want the absolute best cooling.
You might strike it lucky with a 15" T series though (or equivalent from Dell/HP).
Right, I'll have a look at those then. I used to use mobile workstations with discrete GPUs (CUDA/OpenCL stuff), not only were they horribly heavy, every single one died 2+ times within warranty.
Are we back to clickpads with this series or what? Where are the bottom buttons?
>using or caring about the trackpad
No, ThinkPads are often found to be ever so slightly expensive than the Dell/HP stuff in my experience.
>the Dell and HP are all made out of magnesium and aluminium
>the thinkpad only has a magnesium frame
Where is the best place to buy 2nd hand thinkpads outside of ebay?
After my first T420, and I'm just sick to death about asking sellers what resolution their screens are.
Also, where can I buy 4GB ram sticks for it, just in case I find a dirt cheap 4GB one?
I got a Deal for a used but mint condition T520 for 500€ with this Specs:
7-2670QM, 16GB Ram, HD+ Display, 128 SSD.
Should i buy this laptop?
What country dude?
Its just normal laptop size dimms, ddr2 or 3 depending on what you buy.
The whole screen thing is cloudy no matter where you buy from. I have yet to find any store that actually seems to specialise in thinkpads.
Alright, so I just got this Thinkpad Yoga 14 in the mail...
>1TB HDD + 16GB m.2 SSD
So, the keyboard is terrible. The space bar is probably the least tactile button I've ever pressed in my entire life. There is no CAPS LED, yet there is a microphone LED, which doesn't make sense. It's all very plastic-y feeling and bends very easily
. The keys are flat and not anti-microbial There is light-bleed fucking all over the screen. The buttons that they put back on the trackpoint are fucking just zero-tactile, flat garbage. The trackpad is huge and gets in the way of everything and should be turned off when you get it. Overall, it's a piece of shit, and the touch screen with the stupid YOGA shit is just 100% a gimmick with no actual use, only used because it costs them pennies.
Is the T450 like this? If so, I don't even want to bother with Thinkpads anymore. My R61 I guess is just part of that old build that won't be touched anymore.
Fuck Lenovo, I'm not buying from them any longer, and if you faggots are actually going to attack my post and defend this garbage, this fucking disgrace to what ThinkPad used to be, then go fuck yourselves. I'm not even going to bother holding my breath for these faggots at Lenovo anymore with the Retro. Fuck these asinine fuck-ups. You already had a good product that people were buying every year. what fucking idiots. This abomination is for nobody, no casual users will buy a fucking thinkpad, and no professionals will buy this because the keyboard is fucking garbage, the build is consumer trash, and the design is just fucking STUPID. Holy shit, a fucking CB3 chromebook has a better keyboard than this.
-typed from my R61
Has anyone tried replacing the "normal" screen on a x220 with an IPS panel?
Do the IPS panels usually come with a webcam/mic?
Does the IPS panel webcam/mic work as expected, especially under GNU/Linux?
Thanks to anyone who can answer at least one of these questions.
It's not consumer bullshit. It's a fucking thinkpad. It has a trackpoint. No consumer is using a fucking trackpoint for anything and would never buy this. They buy a MBA or a chromebook.
The IPS screen should be an easy upgrade, they are compatible so no mess involved.
>Do the IPS panels usually come with a webcam/mic?
I think it's part of the case as a model without a webcam will not have the appropriate cuts in the front bezel
But that's exactly what Yoga and the other low-end "Thinkpads" are, anon. Consumer bullshit.
Just because they get the Thinkpad brand slapped onto them and have an all black case doesn't make them proper Thinkpads. They're consumer bullshit in business clothing.
How is the T450? I was looking at an x250 for the dual battery setup but since this does the same thing but with a larger screen I am thinking about getting one instead. How is Linux support on it?
Got a t61. So far I've switch to SSD maxed the ram at 4gb and I put a 64 bit Linux distribution on it. I'm going to add some usb 3.0 to it via express card.
The thing is I'm inexperienced with express card. The slot on the left hand side looks like it can fit 2 if them. One on top and one on bottom. Is that correct or is the bottom slot for something else? Also is it possible for me to install the 3.0 usbs in the top slot and have an egpu express card in the bottom?
I just got a w520 and replaced the harddrive with an ssd and installed windows 7 but I can't seem to find the proper wireless drivers. All the drivers I've tried on Lenovos website haven't worked. Am I missing something?
I bought this x220 used. Bought an extra 6cell because battery life was shit, but it still is bad wit the new one.
Anyone else have this problem?
get on my level
sorry about your bad battery :(
Rate my memepad, got it for free today. IBM Thinkpad T60.
Found it in the electronics recycling bin at work, asked if I could have it, got permission. It didn't fire right up, battery was dead. Bought an universal charger for it, didn't fit. Went to return it and asked if they knew what charger would fit it. The guy told me to head back and ask the service dept guy. I went to him, he digs out a charger and fits it in, then starts talking how easy it is to get parts for these. And as he was talking he kept digging stuff out for me, so I got a charger for free, a (dead) battery and even 4gb of ram he just happened to have laying in there.
Right now I'm installing Arch on it. I can't wait to become as obnoxious as you guys.
So they just announced the new Thinkpad lineup.
And I must say I'm disappointed.
>No USB 3.1
>No VGA (yes....I STILL need it sometimes)
>No swappable battery on the T460 and T460s (but there is one on the T460p).
Probably still going to buy a T460p.
Unless there is a better business laptop coming out with quad core Skylake?
I have win 10 on a m.2 SSD and arch on a 7200rpm HDD and a 6 cell battery on my x220. Battery only charges to 72%. Even still I get 6 to 8 hours depending on usage and screen brightness on either install.
Try lowering brightness to minimum and see if that changes things. Else wise, you have either a bad battery or fucked up power saver settings.
Why shouldn't I buy aLenovo T420 - Core i7 2.8GHZ / 8GB / 320GB / Nvidia 1GB / 1600x900for $399 off a trusted ebay seller with 100% positive feedback right now?
Some questions with my new X301:
1. Got an 8GB stick out of an older gaming laptop, tried to install it but it wouldnt even boot to the BIOS, what do.
2. This laptop can only support SATA2 drives, what SSD should I go for?
It doesn't support 8gb modules since the maximum is 8GB. It can only accept 2x4GB.
Get a Samsung 850 evo, or a Sandisk ultra 2, both are SATA3, which is backwards compatible with SATA2.
You can buy an msata ssd and the proper adapter:
The 850 evo comes in msata as well.
The absolute madmen. They actually listened to our retro thinkpad survey.
>There are still resolutionlets that use X series ThinkPads
How does it feel not being able to get any decent work done with your manlet tier screen resolution?
A number of features distinguish modern logic from the old Aristotelian or traditional logic, the most important of which are as follows: Modern logic is fundamentally a calculus whose rules of operation are determined only by the shape and not by the meaning of the symbols it employs, as in mathematics. Many logicians were impressed by the "success" of mathematics, in that there had been no prolonged dispute about any truly mathematical result. C.S. Peirce noted that even though a mistake in the evaluation of a definite integral by Laplace led to an error concerning the moon's orbit that persisted for nearly 50 years, the mistake, once spotted, was corrected without any serious dispute. Peirce contrasted this with the disputation and uncertainty surrounding traditional logic, and especially reasoning in metaphysics. He argued that a truly "exact" logic would depend upon mathematical, i.e., "diagrammatic" or "iconic" thought. "Those who follow such methods will ... escape all error except such as will be speedily corrected after it is once suspected". Modern logic is also "constructive" rather than "abstractive"; i.e., rather than abstracting and formalising theorems derived from ordinary language (or from psychological intuitions about validity), it constructs theorems by formal methods, then looks for an interpretation in ordinary language. It is entirely symbolic, meaning that even the logical constants (which the medieval logicians called "syncategoremata") and the categoric terms are expressed in symbols.
>b-b-but the T420 is shit anyway, r-right?
Manlets everybody, displaying their insecurities on a pedestal.
just keep looking
you can pretty routinely find x220/T420's with BIOS passwords for like $100 because they're listed as faulty or for parts
removing the password takes literally 2 minutes
another fault to look for is "doesn't turn on," since that usually just needs a BIOS reset (take out the CMOS battery, wait 5 minutes)
The ThinkPad method is not the same as other computers. You can't just remove the CMOS battery or switch a jumper. Look online for some guides because you need to short some pins out while booting it to get in then change the settings.
Hey there /tpg/, why are your not using the best Thinkpad ever made?
Ah, but it is
3. Better built
5. More sexy
And generally more reliable than the majority of T61s. (Thanks Nvidia.)
Trust me, I have just about every Thinkpad there is to have.
But thats not a 600X
Glad I didn't fuck up that badly when purchasing my X1C3.
man that looks disgusting, pretty boring design
I do love my X230, but even with my used 9cell, with only around 70 cycles on it, I get 6 hours averidge, 7 or 8 if I turn the brightness down to nill and use luakit as my webbrowser.
Sorry anon, here's a 600X
What happened to it?
Hmmm... I think the dead 600E I have may be compatible, dunno if the LCD is in good shape.
Its odd I give them that, but I wasn't able to touch type on FN keys.
I kind of like the switching it does, the keyboard is definitely odd, not used to no caps lock and I always press delete instead of backspace but its a neat machine in a way.
>What happened to it?
Started getting yellow, eventually stopped displaying altogether.
I cant seem to find any documentation on whether or not the screen from the 600E would work or not.
t61 maxes at 8gb but 4gb modules are wicked expensive
t61 still rocks for web surfing and general fuckery, but I don't know that I'd bother with an eGPU personally. Is the bus speed even good enough for the throughput you'd need?
I got mine on eBay. The listing had no specs. Nobody bothered to check the model number, which means that when I looked it up, I found it out. But it was an auction. Good deal though.
help me decide /g/, X260 or T460p? obviously the T460 is better value all round, but not sure if I'm ready for 14" since i do most of my computing lying down. currently own a X220.
>found a tp that i need
>follow it for a week
>low amount of bidders near the end
>10 seconds left, 2 bastards with zero feedback goes ham and raise the price sky high, higher then other buy it now auctions tps
I recently got a refurbished W520, and the charger I received is 135W. Google is telling me the charger that came with the W520 is 170W. Is this an issue? Should I try to get the correct charger sent to me?
all the w520's i've seen came with 135w chargers. if it can run off mains without draining the battery it's fine
the 170w is likely an optional upgrade, which will just run cooler
Strange, I bought several W520s for myself and relatives/friends, and they all came with the 170W charger. 135W would be nice, because the big charger is a fucking cinder block.
While I'm glad to see something like the T460p come out, it is slightly annoying knowing that I'm going to need to buy an adapter to use my massive Viewsonic CRT as a secondary monitor with it. I guess VGA had to die sometime.
is £220 a good deal on an acer v5-571 (1.4GHz, 8GB, i3 2365M, 15.6" 1366x766--I don't really care) because i'm wondering whether to send it back for a thinkpad t430 and wait on 1080p screen availability. it's just a hassle. i use linux, watch hd videos and hd movies, listen to music, browse the internet, wouldn't mind editing videos and using ableton or whatever.
Had a x61 was shit. So fucking shit. Soooooo whit fell for all your thinkpad bullshit sold it for way more then i got it for coz you fags buy them for alot of money. Got a cheap 3nd gen i5 dell 13 xps. Great screen and battery fuck thinkpad dell all the way
good luck. There are some that are a little beat up that you can probably get for cheaper. The one for $125 actually looked pretty good for its age
unrelated. I'm thinking about going with Debian for my x200 OS because it's supposed to be really lightweight without being arch linux. is this true?
who else is comfy with there dankpad? :')
also should I remove the stickers on the bottom left?
also what about the energy star sticker?
ive satisfied both tastes.
i5 + lenovo removed (need to get some rubbing alcohol to remove the sticker marks properly, for now I've cleaned it up with some wet tissues)
and the back again with the energy star sticker, idk why, but I really love the placement of that sticker and just the colors and size, it kinda suits sitting there, so for now its staying.
>somehow accidentally stepped on my thinkpad
>it shrugged it off completely
I finally upgraded my ol' trusty t60 for a memepad x220. I want to change the screen in order to get a larger resolution. What should I be looking for? a screen + flex for a particular other model or just the screen? which model?
you can get x220s with an IPS if that's a factor for you.
It's actually the main reason I upgraded from a T420 to a x230 Tablet (tablet because at least in my shitty country that's the only way it'll have IPS and it was quite cheapo)
>run acpi and it says 4 hours remain
>start a YouTube video and run acpi again a few minutes later: 2:30 hours remain
God fucking damnit. I think a dude posted a solution to this a few weeks ago though.
Is it because of pic related? It says that powersave isn't available
I have a problem with my T410. It shuts down for no reason only when I play games. I tried to play Civ 4, Trine and Torchlight 2 and it shuts down after some time. Heat is not the problem because there is not enough time to overheat before shut down. When I play Warcraft 3 and Broforce it doesn't happen.
hmmm, okay, well since it dosnt happen in those two other games, its probably to do with drivers or those few games you play that cause it to shutdown, whats the gpu? if its an igpu, update its drivers obviously, same if its a m series ati or nvidia, just update drivers.
>demanding modern games
>it does not shut off
Look, thinkpads have great cooling that's why it remains cool on top where the keyboard is. The bottom is where it can get hotter but it probably relies on the CPU temperature sensor when it decides it is overheating or not.
Neverwinter nights is 14 years old and can run for shit on my HD300 which is way better than yours.
For the shitty igpu of the T410 yeah they are. Gaymers are so delusional, trying to run games on a toaster and believing the the older the games gets, the better it runs on equally older hardware. Fuckwits.
Looking for an upgrade from my W500.
How are the W520, T530, and T440?
X220 owners running Arch, how did you fix brightness keys? Wiki suggests acpi_osi='!Windows 2012' but that creates 2 display backlights in /sys/class/backlight and powertop picks both using power
Did you even read the Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide?
>T series models with an ’s’ suffix (eg. T410s) means they’re slimmer than the regular T series laptops but unlike the X series, they have worse battery life compared to the regular T laptops. They also usually cost more than a regular T series.
Just replaced the display in my 300C, waiting for the new battery to arrive and a CF to IDE adapter.
The one that fits in a T420 You need some custom inverter shenanigans for it, and good fucking luck getting your hands on one of those.
The factory screens in T420 are absolute trash tier, ~150:1 contrast ratio.
2/10 would not buy
Weird, because the X220 archwiki page says that they don't work out of the box anymore and they do indeed not work for me
>estimated 4hours with 3 monitors and phpstorm and terminals running
feels good mane
i was actually able to play kerbal space the entire drive down to disney with my GF the other day (2.5 hours), with a bit left to dick around /g/ on the way back
fucking love this 9cell
is the 3cell ultrabay battery worth it?
or does it only add like 30 minutes
Mine is never louder than gentle wind noise.
Runs usually at around 50c.
60 if I want to use it under the covers in tablet mode for maximum comfy anime watching,
It should be fine for up to 100c according to the specs.
Ebay auctions. Germany has plenty of used Thinkpads for sale there. Be sure to read descriptions so you don't buy a smashed one or having cracked parts. Check older listings to see how much a particular model usually sells for.
I want a Laptop that is powerful enough to be a multimedia machine for HD streams and able to play games that are already a few years old, like Warcraft 3.
Weight is unimportant for me and my budget is €500. What Thinkpad would you recommend me?
Also carbons suck dick and the carbon docks suck extra dick
Shiiiit, that OLED screen might be the thing that gets me to shell out for a current-gen thinkpad.
Somebody fucking stop me.
Have you guys used one of those lenovo desktop keyboards with a trackpoint on them?
How are they?
I'd really like a trackpoint on my desktop, but I'm worried about the quality. The only mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint I could find is a discontinued 60% meme keyboard.
>using the cuckpad x220 over superior thinkpads
tip top kek desu senpai
>handling your hardware like shit
>wonder why it breaks
>upper management are retarded
>WiFi antennas break
>fucking docks break and all they do is sit there
No fuck you. X1 carbon are a fucking nightmare. I never have problems with L540 and L530.
which one? t430
ThinkPad Battery 70+ (6 Cell Lithium-Ion, 57 Watts/Hr)
ThinkPad Battery 70++ (9 Cell Lithium-Ion, 94 Watts/Hr)
ThinkPad Battery 27++ Slice (9 Cell Lithium-Ion, 11.1 V, 8.4 Amp/Hr)
will I look autistic if I use a thinkpad in uni?
Are you fucking stupid or something?
Calculates current powerdraw.
Calculates mAh left.
If you start a youtube video, your power consumption will go up, and the battery life estimate is lowered...
Bit less jealous then.
And you should turn your phone's resolution down. Try something like 2-3 megapixels, you should never shoot in full resolution with a phone.
It's A LOT better than the T420. T420 has a notoriously bad display. W520 is more like what you would expect from a decent desktop TN monitor, or even better than that if you get the 1920x1080 panel.
How easy is it to fix up a power button? I want to join the /Thinkpad/ club.
X250 with 1080p display here, great machine, just can't seem to get any browser other than Firefox to handle full screen video without frame dropping. Halp?
As easy as putting in a new keyboard.
Which is about 20 dollaridoos, some waiting for your new keyboard to ship, 2 screws in the bottom of the laptop, a little pushing on the keyboard towards the screen until it pops right out, unplugging it, throwing it in the trash, plugging in your new keyboard, putting it in place, and putting the 2 screws back where they came from.
I'd recommend you go with at least a *20 series model for Sandy Bridge, these are more comparable to modern laptops in terms of CPU performance.
What about this then?
Sorry, I'm new to Thinkpad.
God damnit, just lost a somewhat decent t420 for $113 :(
Might try and snipe this, then.
Not a Thinkpad, but a great business notebook.
I'm trying to copy some 3ds games to my sd card. My only SD card reader is in my x220, but the write speed to the SD card is very very very sluggish. But copying from my SD to my SSD is quite fast.
Any solutions? I'm on manjaro