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Previous thread: >>52194631

Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

New 2016 ThinkPads announced:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9889/lenovo-refreshes-thinkpad-lineup-at-ces
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/big-ram-laptops-are-abundant-as-lenovo-does-its-skylake-refresh/
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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™

Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg

EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/wumE7L2f

ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
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>>52232344
Reposting question from the last thread.
I have about 250€ for a Thinkpad, is there any reason to get an X series over something like the T420? Size and weight are non-issues for me.
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Damn, what happened here?
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>>52232344
Does the t460p have optical drive? Do any of the t series even have 1366x768 as an option still?
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I am really unsure what to make of the new *60 series…

On the one hand, lenovo made a lot of good decisions (not trying to reinvent the trackpoint buttons again or a new keyboard again, built quality is supposedly quite good again, after the *20/*30 crap, focus on portability and battery life, modularity is back, seemingly much improved screens, even a fuckin OLED one and a glorious 3:2) but also a lot of bad ones (the keyboard is still shit, compared to the old non-chinkpads, they look like generic consumer laptops and the built quality is certainly not as good as it was, with their focus on thinness, they also removed quite a few useful features, the modules for the X1 tablet are probably a one time experiment and the screens are still all 16:9 crap except for one, making everything smaller than 14" unusable for anything besides watching movies).

I really need a new machine, and I was almost willing to spend around 2000€ for a new and improved X1 or T460s with a 3:2 13" screen, but i certainly aint paying more than 100€ for fuckin 16:9.

So what am I going to do? I currently have an 16:10 X200, and that screen is already quite the step down, compared to the X60, and the X220 and newer is simply unacceptable. T420 to 430(u/s) have too large bezels, but seemingly the T440s is OK, apart form the borked trackpoint buttons. Can you swap in an ultranav from the *50 series? Or just cover trackpad in some insulating tape, to at least stop the curser from moving when switching buttons with my thumb?

T450s seems quite good too, as is the current X1, but they are still too expensive. What kind of price drop can I expect in February, when the new series becomes available?
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>>52232386
No idea.

>>52232387
Nope, optical drives are all dead in the new machines.

Saying that, you can still fit 2 drives in. (PCIe SSD + 2.5" bay)

Reddit has all of the spec sheets:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/3zd6bn/spec_sheets_for_x1_carbon_x1_yoga_t460s_and_more/

T460p only comes with 1080p & 1440p IPS!
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>>52232405
Deleted my other thread.

Here is the reply I got:
>compared to the old non-chinkpads, they look like generic consumer laptops
>buying thinkpads
>caring about looks

Come on.

>built quality is certainly not as good as it was
It's been relatively constant since the T400. Nowhere near as good as the old T60/61 days though.
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>>52232387
>he T460p is a little thicker, at 0.96 inches, and heavier, at 4lb, using that extra thickness to handle the hotter processor, a huge 72Wh battery, and an optical drive.
My DICK
THIS IS IT
THE PERFECT THINKPAD
WHEN IT COSTS $500 IN 2 YEARS IT WILL BE MIJE
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>>52232405
>T460s with a 3:2 13" screen, but i certainly aint paying more than 100€ for fuckin 16:9.

Well if it's any consolation 1440p IPS is an option on the T460s.

16:10 IPS might be too difficult to source (X201s with 1440x900 panel was constantly hard to find because the panel had sourcing issues), 16:9 IPS is quite common.
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>>52232430
>x1 carbon finally has good battery and 1080p ips
Here we go
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>>52232430
>Nope, optical drives are all dead in the new machines.

Sorry, I'm an idiot. Everywhere else BUT the new T460p and P70, ODDs are gone.
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>>52232435
>>buying thinkpads
>>caring about looks
>
>Come on.
Feel free to call me a faggot, but I care about the looks of thins I look at daily. Sadly, 90% of all laptops look like shit. There are worse offenders than the new thinkpads, but I really loved the asymmetric, boxy, form follows function, rubbery black stealth look of the old ones. The new ones are just slim hunks of plastic without any character of their own, just like all the acer crap at best buy.

>It's been relatively constant since the T400. Nowhere near as good as the old T60/61 days though.
From the few I had in my hands, the *20 and *30 series where shit, but maybe I got some duds? but the X1 carbon (if one ignores the fact that they totally and absolutely fucked up the keyboard in the first one) and the T450s I played around with last month, felt as good as my X61 (if I ignore the still way to huge bezels and the missing clamshell), so I have high hopes for the *60 series.
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>>52232532
>really loved the asymmetric, boxy, form follows function, rubbery black stealth look of the old ones

I have just the machine for you.
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Still waiting for that dude who posted the X220 fix for that Linux problem where playing any video uses 100% of GPU
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>>52232573
Chromium by any chance?
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=518209
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>>52232440
That thing is perfect! I wish I could buy one right now in fact!
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>>52232568
Eww…
fuck no!

What is supposed to be functional about a "laptop" that will burn my lap down to black carbon in the 10 minutes it will run before the battery is empty?

Its the whole package…
>how can we avoid stuff getting between keyboard and screen? - Make it a clamshell!
>Needs to be easy to grab and not atrract dust and fingerprints. - just dip in in rubber!
>We need to be able to see the keys in the dark. - just put a LED on the top of the screen
and so on
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>>52232638
have to admit, the durability of the rubber coating is shit

back in the t23 days it'd flake off and become all sticky after a while
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>>52232602
Firefox, but haven't tried the new versions
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>>52232371
Nobody?
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What's the cheapest quad core thinkpad/comparable brand laptop I could get? Portability is fairly important to me, battery life not so much.

Basically, I need something that I will largely be using for coding on-the-go (and banal stuff like emails), but has the capability of running simulations of 4-cores, without overheating, for ~1 week periods when I need it to.

Looking at the buyers guide, it seems there aren't any x-series with 4 cores, do any other brands offer something of that size with a quad core?
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>>52232759
I should add, ideally I'd want something that has a similar performance to a stock clocked i5-2500, but in a laptop. Discrete graphics etc. are not relevant (although I always like something that can play civ).
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>>52232759
>Small
>Quad core
>Running at full load without causing a house fire

Doesn't exist.
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>>52232783
I don't mind if it causes a house fire (or a hotel fire, as would be the case), I just need it not to throttle.

How big do you think I'd have to go? I'm sick and tired of 17" laptops.
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>t460p
finally a fucking machine that is not useless.. gonna get that one
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>>52232811
As much as I don't like suggesting mobile workstations (I use one daily, not nice to carry about), they are the only kind of laptops really designed to take that kind of punishment. Look for the Dell Precisions if you want the absolute best cooling.

You might strike it lucky with a 15" T series though (or equivalent from Dell/HP).
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>>52232862
Right, I'll have a look at those then. I used to use mobile workstations with discrete GPUs (CUDA/OpenCL stuff), not only were they horribly heavy, every single one died 2+ times within warranty.
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>>52232892
On year 2 of my Precision M4800.

No problems so far, got a new keyboard sent out for free because the trackpoint nub wore out and Dell don't sell them separately.
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>>52232759
W520 is the way to go.
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>>52232812
Are we back to clickpads with this series or what? Where are the bottom buttons?
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>>52233079
Thanks, I'll take a look.

>>52233088
How's the lifespan? They seem quite affordable used.
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>>52233088
W520 = one fan + heatsink for the GPU and CPU
Dell Precision = separate
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>>52233118
>using or caring about the trackpad
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>>52233118
thing is I desperately need a quad cpu because the u cpus are too weak
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>>52233186
Dell and HP workstations are much more expensive. W520 is a tested laptop, probably the sturdiest of them all.
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>>52232371
if size and weight are non-issues then no, there's not
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>>52233369
No, ThinkPads are often found to be ever so slightly expensive than the Dell/HP stuff in my experience.

>sturdiest
>the Dell and HP are all made out of magnesium and aluminium
>the thinkpad only has a magnesium frame
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>>52233413
I mean the sturdiest model among Thinkpads.
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Where is the best place to buy 2nd hand thinkpads outside of ebay?

After my first T420, and I'm just sick to death about asking sellers what resolution their screens are.

Also, where can I buy 4GB ram sticks for it, just in case I find a dirt cheap 4GB one?
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>>52234182
this is a sfw board you retard

MODS
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>>52234182

For fucks sake.

MODS
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>>52232344
I got a Deal for a used but mint condition T520 for 500€ with this Specs:
7-2670QM, 16GB Ram, HD+ Display, 128 SSD.

Should i buy this laptop?
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>>52234182
>bestiality on a christian board
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>>52234192
What country dude?

Its just normal laptop size dimms, ddr2 or 3 depending on what you buy.

The whole screen thing is cloudy no matter where you buy from. I have yet to find any store that actually seems to specialise in thinkpads.
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>>52232344
What thinkpad can I get for around £100? Want a second machine just for running Linux on
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Alright, so I just got this Thinkpad Yoga 14 in the mail...

>8.1 pre-installed
>i5-5200U
>8GB RAM
>1TB HDD + 16GB m.2 SSD
>GeForce 940M
>1920x1080

So, the keyboard is terrible. The space bar is probably the least tactile button I've ever pressed in my entire life. There is no CAPS LED, yet there is a microphone LED, which doesn't make sense. It's all very plastic-y feeling and bends very easily
. The keys are flat and not anti-microbial There is light-bleed fucking all over the screen. The buttons that they put back on the trackpoint are fucking just zero-tactile, flat garbage. The trackpad is huge and gets in the way of everything and should be turned off when you get it. Overall, it's a piece of shit, and the touch screen with the stupid YOGA shit is just 100% a gimmick with no actual use, only used because it costs them pennies.

Is the T450 like this? If so, I don't even want to bother with Thinkpads anymore. My R61 I guess is just part of that old build that won't be touched anymore.

Fuck Lenovo, I'm not buying from them any longer, and if you faggots are actually going to attack my post and defend this garbage, this fucking disgrace to what ThinkPad used to be, then go fuck yourselves. I'm not even going to bother holding my breath for these faggots at Lenovo anymore with the Retro. Fuck these asinine fuck-ups. You already had a good product that people were buying every year. what fucking idiots. This abomination is for nobody, no casual users will buy a fucking thinkpad, and no professionals will buy this because the keyboard is fucking garbage, the build is consumer trash, and the design is just fucking STUPID. Holy shit, a fucking CB3 chromebook has a better keyboard than this.

-typed from my R61
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>>52234331
Too expensive.
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>>52234373

UK

Ah good, that's a relief about the ram.
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>>52234427

You see, I quite like that keyboard.

The fucking trackpad though...
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>>52234427
>Buys consumer bullshit
>Complains when he gets consumer bullshit
No, T450 isn't like that. The only thing making Yoga a Thinkpad is the name, nothing else.
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>>52234430


B-b-but the Specs...

What Price would be okay for this setup?
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>>52234491
300-350 EUR, 400 at most if it comes with a new genuine 9-cell battery.
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Has anyone tried replacing the "normal" screen on a x220 with an IPS panel?

Do the IPS panels usually come with a webcam/mic?

Does the IPS panel webcam/mic work as expected, especially under GNU/Linux?

Thanks to anyone who can answer at least one of these questions.
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>>52234461
It's not consumer bullshit. It's a fucking thinkpad. It has a trackpoint. No consumer is using a fucking trackpoint for anything and would never buy this. They buy a MBA or a chromebook.
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>>52234833
The IPS screen should be an easy upgrade, they are compatible so no mess involved.

>Do the IPS panels usually come with a webcam/mic?

I think it's part of the case as a model without a webcam will not have the appropriate cuts in the front bezel
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>>52234834
But that's exactly what Yoga and the other low-end "Thinkpads" are, anon. Consumer bullshit.
Just because they get the Thinkpad brand slapped onto them and have an all black case doesn't make them proper Thinkpads. They're consumer bullshit in business clothing.
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What do you guys think:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420-14-1-Core-i5-2-5Ghz-4gb-320gb-1600-X-900-Screen-resolution-/251428978403?hash=item3a8a55bee3:g:1C8AAOSweW5VJHL1
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>>52232344
I would like to get a thinkpad but 1600x900 is a no go, I don't get how you people can work with this.
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>>52235233
>Battery Run Time Up to -1 Hours

it's a trap
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>>52235075
Oh well, I'm already resetting the machine and returning within a day or two. I got a free shipping box out of it.
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>>52235296
Get a 15", T520 goes up to 1080p.
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>>52234870
Thanks for that.
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How is the T450? I was looking at an x250 for the dual battery setup but since this does the same thing but with a larger screen I am thinking about getting one instead. How is Linux support on it?
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9h battery is tasty.
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>>52235543
nad radiation is toasty

and sterile
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>>52235577
Not over them, I don't have legs that stumpy.
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>>52235594
close enough
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Got a t61. So far I've switch to SSD maxed the ram at 4gb and I put a 64 bit Linux distribution on it. I'm going to add some usb 3.0 to it via express card.

The thing is I'm inexperienced with express card. The slot on the left hand side looks like it can fit 2 if them. One on top and one on bottom. Is that correct or is the bottom slot for something else? Also is it possible for me to install the 3.0 usbs in the top slot and have an egpu express card in the bottom?
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I just got a w520 and replaced the harddrive with an ssd and installed windows 7 but I can't seem to find the proper wireless drivers. All the drivers I've tried on Lenovos website haven't worked. Am I missing something?
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>>52235987
try lelnovo system update
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>>52234331
expensive imho
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>>52235987

Use one of those driver downloaders, like Driver Genius or some shit. Samsung dropped Windows 7 support and I've had to resort to those when I've formatted my laptop.
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>>52236524
>>52236856
Thanks for the help. I finally found the proper driver on some random forum post. But I'll look into those for the rest of my drivers
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I bought this x220 used. Bought an extra 6cell because battery life was shit, but it still is bad wit the new one.

Anyone else have this problem?
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>>52237356
What's that distro?
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>>52237405
mint cinn
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>>52237445
Looks better than what I remember.

Did you buy the new 6-cell from chinks on ebay?
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>>52237471
its comfy af

yeah http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/381382853618?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Should be at least several hours, not 2.5
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>>52237356
get on my level

sorry about your bad battery :(
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Rate my memepad, got it for free today. IBM Thinkpad T60.

Found it in the electronics recycling bin at work, asked if I could have it, got permission. It didn't fire right up, battery was dead. Bought an universal charger for it, didn't fit. Went to return it and asked if they knew what charger would fit it. The guy told me to head back and ask the service dept guy. I went to him, he digs out a charger and fits it in, then starts talking how easy it is to get parts for these. And as he was talking he kept digging stuff out for me, so I got a charger for free, a (dead) battery and even 4gb of ram he just happened to have laying in there.

Right now I'm installing Arch on it. I can't wait to become as obnoxious as you guys.
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>>52237541
Most of those chink batteries have their ratings all wrong.
Most of them have half the stated capacity or something.
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>>52237564

Pic related.
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anyone have experience with upgrading the screen of a t420s to ideally a 1080 IPS? only info i found was for a converter for ~75$ but being sold out and not easily available
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So they just announced the new Thinkpad lineup.

And I must say I'm disappointed.
>No USB 3.1
>No VGA (yes....I STILL need it sometimes)
>No swappable battery on the T460 and T460s (but there is one on the T460p).

Probably still going to buy a T460p.
Unless there is a better business laptop coming out with quad core Skylake?
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>>52238019
Some models have 1xUSB 3.1 C

VGA gone is because Intel does not support it anymore with their latest CPU's. Which is a fucking shame, damn cunts.
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>>52238042
>Intel does not support it anymore with their latest CPU's.

Ah, I see.

A display port to VGA adapter should work fine though, right?
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>>52238131
Of course it will work.
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>>52237356
I have win 10 on a m.2 SSD and arch on a 7200rpm HDD and a 6 cell battery on my x220. Battery only charges to 72%. Even still I get 6 to 8 hours depending on usage and screen brightness on either install.

Try lowering brightness to minimum and see if that changes things. Else wise, you have either a bad battery or fucked up power saver settings.
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>>52232344
How do I overclock ram on a T420?

I have a stick rated for 1600MHz but its running at 1333MHz
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Why shouldn't I buy a
Lenovo T420 - Core i7 2.8GHZ / 8GB / 320GB / Nvidia 1GB / 1600x900
for $399 off a trusted ebay seller with 100% positive feedback right now?
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Some questions with my new X301:
1. Got an 8GB stick out of an older gaming laptop, tried to install it but it wouldnt even boot to the BIOS, what do.
2. This laptop can only support SATA2 drives, what SSD should I go for?
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>>52238772
It doesn't support 8gb modules since the maximum is 8GB. It can only accept 2x4GB.

Get a Samsung 850 evo, or a Sandisk ultra 2, both are SATA3, which is backwards compatible with SATA2.
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>>52238832
Thanks m8, I figured it was looking for a 2x4
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>>52238832
Also, needs a 1.8 inch drive, not a 2.5 inch drive
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>>52238504
Because I paid a $130 for mine with the same specifications. And in great condition.
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>>52238963
Any chance I can snag a deal like that anywhere?
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Anyone have an x200? I'm wondering what kind of screwdriver I'll need to replace the hdd. Also will a normal 2.5" ssd fit fine?
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>>52238902

You can buy an msata ssd and the proper adapter:

http://www.amazon.com/Aleratec-mSATA-Drive-Converter-Frame/dp/B00D4CVLNG/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1451956676&sr=1-1&keywords=ssd+to+1.8+inch

The 850 evo comes in msata as well.
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Holy shit.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3018914/hardware/lenovos-latest-laptop-is-a-10-pound-powerhouse-with-a-mechanical-keyboard.html

The absolute madmen. They actually listened to our retro thinkpad survey.
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>There are still resolutionlets that use X series ThinkPads

How does it feel not being able to get any decent work done with your manlet tier screen resolution?
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>>52239641

>what are docks
how does it feel to get the specs of a laptop with the portability of a desktop
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>>52239700
>having to make up for your cuckishness by using external monitors

Lmao it's like a manlet using Stilts. Buyers remorse much?
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>>52239730
nah i love my thinkpad. you're the one pathetically mewling about your 420 blaze it memepad
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A number of features distinguish modern logic from the old Aristotelian or traditional logic, the most important of which are as follows:[85] Modern logic is fundamentally a calculus whose rules of operation are determined only by the shape and not by the meaning of the symbols it employs, as in mathematics. Many logicians were impressed by the "success" of mathematics, in that there had been no prolonged dispute about any truly mathematical result. C.S. Peirce noted[86] that even though a mistake in the evaluation of a definite integral by Laplace led to an error concerning the moon's orbit that persisted for nearly 50 years, the mistake, once spotted, was corrected without any serious dispute. Peirce contrasted this with the disputation and uncertainty surrounding traditional logic, and especially reasoning in metaphysics. He argued that a truly "exact" logic would depend upon mathematical, i.e., "diagrammatic" or "iconic" thought. "Those who follow such methods will ... escape all error except such as will be speedily corrected after it is once suspected". Modern logic is also "constructive" rather than "abstractive"; i.e., rather than abstracting and formalising theorems derived from ordinary language (or from psychological intuitions about validity), it constructs theorems by formal methods, then looks for an interpretation in ordinary language. It is entirely symbolic, meaning that even the logical constants (which the medieval logicians called "syncategoremata") and the categoric terms are expressed in symbols.
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>>52239747
>b-b-but the T420 is shit anyway, r-right?

Manlets everybody, displaying their insecurities on a pedestal.

>>52239779
K
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>>52239577
>ideapad

Wow so retro and so sturdy, the 980m will surely help me make better business decisions.
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>>52239747
T420 users are manlets

Sincerely, a T520 owner
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>>52239820
looks like i hit a nerve

don't let me distract you from /r/legalizeit
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>>52239577
>IdeaPad
Fuck off
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>>52238974
just keep looking
you can pretty routinely find x220/T420's with BIOS passwords for like $100 because they're listed as faulty or for parts
removing the password takes literally 2 minutes

another fault to look for is "doesn't turn on," since that usually just needs a BIOS reset (take out the CMOS battery, wait 5 minutes)
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>>52240481
Yeah, I have experience with removing BIOS passwords. I hadn't considered people would sell em for cheap because of that. Thanks for the tip!
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any cheap thinkpads with USB 3.0?
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>>52240510
The ThinkPad method is not the same as other computers. You can't just remove the CMOS battery or switch a jumper. Look online for some guides because you need to short some pins out while booting it to get in then change the settings.
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>>52240699
The *30 series are the first to have USB 3.0 I believe.

Thankfully, you can get an express card that has them.
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Hey there /tpg/, why are your not using the best Thinkpad ever made?
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>>52241006
That's not the t61.
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>>52240902
>>52240699
W5** has USB3.

i7 X220 has USB3.
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>>52237564
>electronics recycling bin at work, asked if I could have it,
Where the fuck would you find such a bin and who would you ask?
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>>52241006
Because I like my Sandy Bridge i5.
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>>52241025
Ah, but it is

1. Slimmer
2. Lighter
3. Better built
4. Cheaper
5. More sexy

And generally more reliable than the majority of T61s. (Thanks Nvidia.)

Trust me, I have just about every Thinkpad there is to have.
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>>52239820
>not smrt enough to into even rudimentary modern logic

stay pleb
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>tfw top bidder in two different auctions for a thinkpad

fug, I know I will lose them for sure, always do
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>>52241102
Don't forget the much better aspect ratio.
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>>52241169
>sitting on an auction for a nice looking refurbed x220T for $420 AUD
>someone's going to bid snipe it away from me in the last 10 seconds
she's perfect lads
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>>52240699
just get an x220 non tablet and get a $13 adapter works just fine and cheaper
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>>52241006
But thats not a 600X

>>52234427
Hahahahahahahah
Glad I didn't fuck up that badly when purchasing my X1C3.

>>52233118
>that bezel
man that looks disgusting, pretty boring design
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>>52241280
>Glad I didn't fuck up that badly when purchasing my X1C3
>Posts a picture of an X1C2
If the picture is yours, you fucked up worse fampai

>That keyboard and touchpad
JUST
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>>52241280
>tfw my 600x screen died and I cant find a replacement anywhere.
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>>52241280
>no function keys
How does that work out? Is it as bad as people made it out when it came out?
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>>52235543
I do love my X230, but even with my used 9cell, with only around 70 cycles on it, I get 6 hours averidge, 7 or 8 if I turn the brightness down to nill and use luakit as my webbrowser.
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>>52241336
Sorry anon, here's a 600X

>>52241344
What happened to it?
Hmmm... I think the dead 600E I have may be compatible, dunno if the LCD is in good shape.

>>52241360
Its odd I give them that, but I wasn't able to touch type on FN keys.
I kind of like the switching it does, the keyboard is definitely odd, not used to no caps lock and I always press delete instead of backspace but its a neat machine in a way.
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>>52241576
Man I wish I had a 600X.
It's a bloody useless machine due to its specs, but that keyboard is just so cool.
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>>52239577
Neat. But desktop replacement is not a laptop.
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>>52235629
Nope, that's probably an expresscard 54. You can fit an Egpu OR usb3, not both at the same time.

Both are doable tho (I do em on X220)
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>>52241576
>What happened to it?
Started getting yellow, eventually stopped displaying altogether.

I cant seem to find any documentation on whether or not the screen from the 600E would work or not.
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>>52235629
t61 maxes at 8gb but 4gb modules are wicked expensive

t61 still rocks for web surfing and general fuckery, but I don't know that I'd bother with an eGPU personally. Is the bus speed even good enough for the throughput you'd need?
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>>52239577
How is this in any way related to ThinkPads at all, let alone the retro ThinkPad?
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>>52241710
How do you into eGPU? I want one for my tblazeit
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>>52241758
All the "how do I eBay" or "how do I install an OS" bullshit that generally infects /tpg/ and you're going to pick out that post to bitch about?
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>>52241808
I don't want to put in the effort to bitch about those posts since there's too fucking many.

But I do agree that those posts shouldn't here at all.
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>>52241808

Just because you know it doesn't mean you can't spread the love.

>>52241831

You mom shouldn't be here, I'm sending her off.
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Do you set charge thresholds on your batteries, /tpg/? If so to how much?
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>>52241963
yeah, keep it my current battery at around 75%.

but still sucks, my other one is a little better, but don't want to switch them out.
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>>52238974
Same poster.
I got mine on eBay. The listing had no specs. Nobody bothered to check the model number, which means that when I looked it up, I found it out. But it was an auction. Good deal though.
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>>52241963
i barely go out with my tp anymore so start charge at 40% stop at 60%
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>>52241884
your*
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>>52241963
95% because I use it often enough
Still doing ok though. Calibration after 4 years, got 85% of capacity
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>>52242204
No, you are mom. That's what I mint.
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help me decide /g/, X260 or T460p? obviously the T460 is better value all round, but not sure if I'm ready for 14" since i do most of my computing lying down. currently own a X220.
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>>52242265
No thinkpads beyond ivy bridge allowed.

No girls allowed.

No HP or Dell allowed.
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>>52241169
>found a tp that i need
>follow it for a week
>low amount of bidders near the end
>10 seconds left, 2 bastards with zero feedback goes ham and raise the price sky high, higher then other buy it now auctions tps
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>>52242314
fuck, i missed out on a nicely priced auction with extras.

hope those chucklefucks find the model i'm bidding for too old. only way to win either.
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What's a good comfy thinkpad to screw around in Linux on? (Under $200)
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>>52242553
x200, x300/301
should be closer to $100 than $150
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>>52242553
x201 would be breddy gud
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>>52233118
I just use the top buttons on my t450s.
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I recently got a refurbished W520, and the charger I received is 135W. Google is telling me the charger that came with the W520 is 170W. Is this an issue? Should I try to get the correct charger sent to me?
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>>52242840
all the w520's i've seen came with 135w chargers. if it can run off mains without draining the battery it's fine
the 170w is likely an optional upgrade, which will just run cooler
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>>52242962
>>52242840
Strange, I bought several W520s for myself and relatives/friends, and they all came with the 170W charger. 135W would be nice, because the big charger is a fucking cinder block.

>>52238042
>>52238019
While I'm glad to see something like the T460p come out, it is slightly annoying knowing that I'm going to need to buy an adapter to use my massive Viewsonic CRT as a secondary monitor with it. I guess VGA had to die sometime.
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>>52242265
You're basically asking us which is better, 12 or 14 inch thinkpads. The answer is, it's subjective. Why don't you flip a coin?
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is £220 a good deal on an acer v5-571 (1.4GHz, 8GB, i3 2365M, 15.6" 1366x766--I don't really care) because i'm wondering whether to send it back for a thinkpad t430 and wait on 1080p screen availability. it's just a hassle. i use linux, watch hd videos and hd movies, listen to music, browse the internet, wouldn't mind editing videos and using ableton or whatever.
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>>52244203
not really
you should've been able to get a t420 for the same price with better CPU, keyboard
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x220 touchpad conf?
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>>52244608
No.
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just ordered an x220 thats super clean and in great shape for 120. how do?
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>>52244735
Why does it matter what we think?

Fuck off and ask for validation on your personal blog
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>>52244793
See here
>>52239641
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>>52244793
>validation
>not honest advice
>blog

stay mad tumblr faggot
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Had a x61 was shit. So fucking shit. Soooooo whit fell for all your thinkpad bullshit sold it for way more then i got it for coz you fags buy them for alot of money. Got a cheap 3nd gen i5 dell 13 xps. Great screen and battery fuck thinkpad dell all the way
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>>52237592
thats pretty sexy
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>>52242553
x200. i ordered one for $125 the other day.
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>>52242605
>>52244996
fuck off anons, stop recommending the x200, trying to buy one right now.

go with the later x2X0, much better for that anon wanting a comfy tp.
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>>52245013
good luck. There are some that are a little beat up that you can probably get for cheaper. The one for $125 actually looked pretty good for its age


unrelated. I'm thinking about going with Debian for my x200 OS because it's supposed to be really lightweight without being arch linux. is this true?
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>>52245128
just use a netinstall of any damn distro you want, and install just the bare essentials after.

then bam, you've got your lightweight shit.
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>>52232405
Just get the retro
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who else is comfy with there dankpad? :')
also should I remove the stickers on the bottom left?
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>>52245923
also what about the energy star sticker?

Remove/Keep?
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>>52245951
Keep for nostalgia.
Remove for muh minimalism.
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>>52245967
i think keep for nostalgia, but the i5 + lenovo enhanced experience shit needs to be removed i think.
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>>52245951
>>52245923
sticker free
she's better than that tacky shit
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>>52245975
>>52246033
ive satisfied both tastes.

i5 + lenovo removed (need to get some rubbing alcohol to remove the sticker marks properly, for now I've cleaned it up with some wet tissues)
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>>52246058
and the back again with the energy star sticker, idk why, but I really love the placement of that sticker and just the colors and size, it kinda suits sitting there, so for now its staying.
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>somehow accidentally stepped on my thinkpad
>it shrugged it off completely
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>>52246278
thats a nice pic, not a fan of the stickers though.


x220? :'3 tough troopers they are.
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>>52246296
x230
I don't mind the keyboard, and managed to find one with the ips monitor for cheap.

I've got to show I'm an /og/ in some way
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200 bucks max, under 15 inches,hdmi port. Possible?
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Hey guys

I finally upgraded my ol' trusty t60 for a memepad x220. I want to change the screen in order to get a larger resolution. What should I be looking for? a screen + flex for a particular other model or just the screen? which model?

qt unrelated
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>>52246416
Some LVDS to eDP converter board that's made in extremely limited quantities
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>>52246416
honestly on a 12" screen anything over 720p just isn't worth it m8
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>>52246838
I'm sorry that you are blind.
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>>52233394
you can get x220s with an IPS if that's a factor for you.
It's actually the main reason I upgraded from a T420 to a x230 Tablet (tablet because at least in my shitty country that's the only way it'll have IPS and it was quite cheapo)
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>>52247585
what? i can't read this post
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>>52232344
how much is a maxed out W520 worth second hand?

quadro 2000m
screen color calibrator
8gb ram
>>
Archlinux
>run acpi and it says 4 hours remain
>start a YouTube video and run acpi again a few minutes later: 2:30 hours remain
God fucking damnit. I think a dude posted a solution to this a few weeks ago though.

Is it because of pic related? It says that powersave isn't available
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I have a problem with my T410. It shuts down for no reason only when I play games. I tried to play Civ 4, Trine and Torchlight 2 and it shuts down after some time. Heat is not the problem because there is not enough time to overheat before shut down. When I play Warcraft 3 and Broforce it doesn't happen.

Any ideas?
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>>52248461
why did you buy a thinkpad if you wanted to game, and no , it has to do with overheating for sure.
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>>52248785

It is hotter when I watch Twitch and it doesn't shut down.
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>>52248861
hmmm, okay, well since it dosnt happen in those two other games, its probably to do with drivers or those few games you play that cause it to shutdown, whats the gpu? if its an igpu, update its drivers obviously, same if its a m series ati or nvidia, just update drivers.
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>>52248461
>demanding modern games
>shuts off
>old games
>it does not shut off

Look, thinkpads have great cooling that's why it remains cool on top where the keyboard is. The bottom is where it can get hotter but it probably relies on the CPU temperature sensor when it decides it is overheating or not.
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>>52248881

It has some integrated inteld HD shit. I try to driver update then.

>>52248891

None of my mentioned games are modern or demanding.

Civ 4 is 10 years old.
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>>52248891
>civ4
>trine
>torchlight 2
>modern
>demanding
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>>52249076

Neverwinter nights is 14 years old and can run for shit on my HD300 which is way better than yours.

>>52249082

For the shitty igpu of the T410 yeah they are. Gaymers are so delusional, trying to run games on a toaster and believing the the older the games gets, the better it runs on equally older hardware. Fuckwits.
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>>52249129


Civ 4 system requirements:

>CPU: 1.2 ghz
>Ram: 256 mb
>Graphhics card: 3D card with 64mb


Yeah, I'm sure that is too much for a T410
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>>52249211

You don't realize that there are more variables involved that allow graphical applications to run correctly.

That's why we have this things called dedicated video cards.
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Looking for an upgrade from my W500.

How are the W520, T530, and T440?
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>>52248461

Is there some tool that records the activity of the machine and saves it in a log before it shuts down? I want to find out if some parts are actually overheating.
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>>52245013
I'm the anon that was originally asking. Currently I'm bidding on an x230 in pretty good condition. If it hits $200 I'm out, but I'm hoping it'll stay unnoticed.
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Did I fuck up?
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>>52250415
nope
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>>52249544
W520 is probably the best out of those three.
T530 if you don't need the dedicated GPU.
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when are there going be the retro thinkpad announcement?
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>>52250415
THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE NO GENTOO I EVER SEEN.
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X220 owners running Arch, how did you fix brightness keys? Wiki suggests acpi_osi='!Windows 2012' but that creates 2 display backlights in /sys/class/backlight and powertop picks both using power
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I lost one of the bottom rubber pads in my x220, anyone know how to get a replacement?
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What's bad about the T420s in comparison to the T420?
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>>52251563
worse battery
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>>52251328
are they 'broken' in the first place? works on my machine(tm)
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262219547431?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Thoughts?
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So, my x230 with dock finally arrived (inb4 kek chinkpad).

Is it better for the battery if I unplug it before I put the laptop on the dock or does it not matter?
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>>52251784
>T420
It's fine if you intend to retrofit an IPS display in it, I guess.
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>>52251686
Are you using a DE?
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>>52251563
Did you even read the Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide?

>T series models with an ’s’ suffix (eg. T410s) means they’re slimmer than the regular T series laptops but unlike the X series, they have worse battery life compared to the regular T laptops. They also usually cost more than a regular T series.
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>>52232783
T430 with i7-3632qm (35W CPU), 16GB RAM, NVS 5400m GPU (or hd 4000), ssd+hdd in ultrabay + WWAN, WIFI, BT, 1600x900 screen, 14inch
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>>52252275
What IPS panel would you recommend?
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>>52232344

Just replaced the display in my 300C, waiting for the new battery to arrive and a CF to IDE adapter.
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>>52252440
beautiful
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>>52252367
nop. i3
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>>52252426
The one that fits in a T420 You need some custom inverter shenanigans for it, and good fucking luck getting your hands on one of those.

The factory screens in T420 are absolute trash tier, ~150:1 contrast ratio.
2/10 would not buy
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>>52232344
>dat x260
I do hope they make a t version, and that it at least has a 1080p display this time around.
If it is then I'm sold.

>20 hour battery life
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>>52252462
Weird, because the X220 archwiki page says that they don't work out of the box anymore and they do indeed not work for me

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X220#Backlight
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>>52233118
They're under the trackpad, it's clicky.
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>>52252440
daaaaaaaaamn looking good
Can you take more photos of that keyboard? Is there a clitmouse anywhere?
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>>52237563
>poo-in-loonix in charge of battery life
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>>52252125
guys?
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>>52252830
wincucks baka
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>>52252830
>estimated 4hours with 3 monitors and phpstorm and terminals running

feels good mane

i was actually able to play kerbal space the entire drive down to disney with my GF the other day (2.5 hours), with a bit left to dick around /g/ on the way back

fucking love this 9cell

is the 3cell ultrabay battery worth it?

or does it only add like 30 minutes
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So /g/, what's the comfiest thinkpad?
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>>52253366
T520
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>>52253366

A t61p with a 9 cell. The heavier, the better.
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>>52253366
x230 obviously
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>>52253366
X220 or X230
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>>52253366
I'm a fan of the X220. Its only downside is the piss-poor screen.
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>>52253617
Buy an IPS replacement off of eBay for cheap
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>>52253617
And the heat/fan noise
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>>52253640
Is the x230 better thermals/fan wise?
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>>52253366
X220/230, and the T420/430
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>>52253663
Mine is never louder than gentle wind noise.
Runs usually at around 50c.
60 if I want to use it under the covers in tablet mode for maximum comfy anime watching,
It should be fine for up to 100c according to the specs.
>>
I'm always impressed by the cheap prices that you pay for your Thinkpads. Where can I buy them cheaply in Europe, specifically Germany? They seem more expensive in Europe, in general.
>>
WHERE'S THE RETRO THINKPAD
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>>52253366
x200s
light, cheap, quiet as fuck, temps are cool, able to attach a 9 cell to it, affs or 144x900p panel options
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>>52253776
Ebay auctions. Germany has plenty of used Thinkpads for sale there. Be sure to read descriptions so you don't buy a smashed one or having cracked parts. Check older listings to see how much a particular model usually sells for.
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>>52253806
2017 likely. They'll want to release it for the 25th thinkpad anniversary.
>>
I want a Laptop that is powerful enough to be a multimedia machine for HD streams and able to play games that are already a few years old, like Warcraft 3.

Weight is unimportant for me and my budget is €500. What Thinkpad would you recommend me?
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>>52254327
ktgee.net/tpg
>>
R8 my desk
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>>52254386
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>>52254386
>>52254410
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>>52254386
Also carbons suck dick and the carbon docks suck extra dick
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>>52253366
X201T with removed touchpad
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>X1 Yoga
Shiiiit, that OLED screen might be the thing that gets me to shell out for a current-gen thinkpad.
Somebody fucking stop me.
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>>52254639
I manage 9 of them.

They break in a stiff breeze. Garbage shit
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>>52254386
Is that the thinkpad of telephones? Looks classy.
>>
Have you guys used one of those lenovo desktop keyboards with a trackpoint on them?
How are they?

I'd really like a trackpoint on my desktop, but I'm worried about the quality. The only mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint I could find is a discontinued 60% meme keyboard.
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>2016
>using the cuckpad x220 over superior thinkpads

tip top kek desu senpai
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>>52253366
x200 absolutely, currently have the x220 but nothing is comfy as an x200
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>>52254694
Avaya IP phone
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>>52255123
>1366x768
>12.5 inch screen
That's reall not bad, I have 1366x768 on a fucking 18.5 inch screen.
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>>52255519
Do you happen to live in a Poo in Loo country? If so, I'm sorry for your loss.
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>>52255578
No, but i have poo in the loo money, i'm still using a Q6600, Pls send $$$
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>>52255578
Look at my old ass PCs.
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I'm doing a usb drive to reinstall windows on a x220 with Rufus.
Can I format the usb drive as exfat + GPT partition scheme for UEFI or not?
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>>52254669
>handling your hardware like shit
>wonder why it breaks
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>>52255874
>upper management are retarded
>WiFi antennas break
>shit battery
>fucking docks break and all they do is sit there

No fuck you. X1 carbon are a fucking nightmare. I never have problems with L540 and L530.
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if i buy from america will i get a us keyboard?
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Smashing
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Should I cop?
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>>52256552
Can get them cheaper than that without bidding, so no.
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>>52256585
Where?
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which one? t430

ThinkPad Battery 70+ (6 Cell Lithium-Ion, 57 Watts/Hr)
ThinkPad Battery 70++ (9 Cell Lithium-Ion, 94 Watts/Hr)
ThinkPad Battery 27++ Slice (9 Cell Lithium-Ion, 11.1 V, 8.4 Amp/Hr)
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>>52256671
>ThinkPad Battery 70++ (9 Cell Lithium-Ion, 94 Watts/Hr)
along with
>ThinkPad Battery 27++ Slice (9 Cell Lithium-Ion, 11.1 V, 8.4 Amp/Hr)
for top battery life
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>>52256671
6 cell

You never go outside anyways.
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>>52254639
>glossy

nope
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>>52256834
>implying you'll ever go outside for that to matter
>>
how much should a t430 i5-3320M with HD 4000 and ThinkPad Battery 70++ (9 Cell Lithium-Ion, 94 Watts/Hr) cost?
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>>52256969
I have windows.
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will I look autistic if I use a thinkpad in uni?
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>>52257249
Nah, just poor.
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>>52257249
what a short finger
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>>52248414
Are you fucking stupid or something?
Call acpi.
Calculates current powerdraw.
Calculates mAh left.
Gives time.
If you start a youtube video, your power consumption will go up, and the battery life estimate is lowered...
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>>52257249
who dat
>>
R8 me
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>>52257713
X1 Carbon ?
Kinda jealous. Also goddamn, take pictures at a lower resolution.
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>>52232344
top kek as they say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTsc3HuORCw
>>
>1 == True;
>0 == False;
Jesus christ how horrifying
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>>52257874
t450s. it's my phone's default photo resolution ;_;
>>
How is the screen on the W520? Is it as bad as the T420?
>>
Is the Fujitsu Lifebook allowed in /ptg/?
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>>52258197
Bit less jealous then.
And you should turn your phone's resolution down. Try something like 2-3 megapixels, you should never shoot in full resolution with a phone.

>>52258218
It's A LOT better than the T420. T420 has a notoriously bad display. W520 is more like what you would expect from a decent desktop TN monitor, or even better than that if you get the 1920x1080 panel.
>>
How easy is it to fix up a power button? I want to join the /Thinkpad/ club.
>>
X250 with 1080p display here, great machine, just can't seem to get any browser other than Firefox to handle full screen video without frame dropping. Halp?
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>>52258467
As easy as putting in a new keyboard.
Which is about 20 dollaridoos, some waiting for your new keyboard to ship, 2 screws in the bottom of the laptop, a little pushing on the keyboard towards the screen until it pops right out, unplugging it, throwing it in the trash, plugging in your new keyboard, putting it in place, and putting the 2 screws back where they came from.
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>>52258525
Thanks. How does an older i3 perform?
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>>52258560
Badly. It's probably okay for web browsing, word processing, and the like, but that's about it.
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>>52258428
>you should never shoot in full resolution with a phone.

True that.

Sensor is just too small.
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>>52258594
What is the best CPU I can upgrade it to, and how would it perform then??
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>>52258825
https://support.lenovo.com/dk/da/documents/pd006109
:shrug:
I'd recommend you go with at least a *20 series model for Sandy Bridge, these are more comparable to modern laptops in terms of CPU performance.
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>>52258880
What about this then?
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>>52258927
Sorry, I'm new to Thinkpad.
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God damnit, just lost a somewhat decent t420 for $113 :(
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>>52257713
>system startup... booting daemon
>"IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES GUILLLLLLLLOOOTEEEEEEEEEEEEN"
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>>52258927
>Edge
Don't, you'll hate it. Might as well buy some cheapo Acer bullshit.
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>>52258992
Might try and snipe this, then.
Not a Thinkpad, but a great business notebook.
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>>52258965
maximum meme status
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Which model has MemePad has the best resolution?
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>>52259126
I assume you mean pre-XX40.

I'm pretty sure the x510/20/30 models can be gotten with 1080p screens.
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>>52259126
W/T500 and T61p top out at 1920x1200

There's also the stupidly rare R50p with a 2048x1536 IPS screen, but that's a fucking unicorn.
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>>52257713
Can anyone recommend some good stickers for a Thinkpad? I've always been against stickering my old laptops, but I feel like my T450s would look pretty badass with the right one.
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T530 - i5 2.6GHz 4Gb RAM 500Gb HDD, Intel HD 4000, Webcam, USB 3.0, 1600x900 res

Bought for $290. How'd I do /g/ents?
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>>52260044
Pretty good, slightly jealous as a T520 owner.
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I got a x201s for 200$.

Pretty excited as this is my first thinkpad. Did I do good?
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Does anyone have experience with coreboot / libreboot? Post laptop model, hard drive, improvement in boot speed etc.
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I'm trying to copy some 3ds games to my sd card. My only SD card reader is in my x220, but the write speed to the SD card is very very very sluggish. But copying from my SD to my SSD is quite fast.

Any solutions? I'm on manjaro
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>>52260579
This. I've been looking for some info on libreboot, before I shell out $500
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>>52260044
I'm in the same boat as you. I just purchase today a T530 too.
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>>52259398
Depends on your interests
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