Its the best solution for regular messaging (Really, everything works great, file transfers, bots, sync between all kind of different devices, desktop and web clients of which all are open-source and even the user-base is quite big at this point).
It sucks as a secure messenger, the encrypted chats are too cumbersome mainly cause they don't allow multiple endpoints, there's no encrypted group chats and the crypto itself isn't exactly trustworthy.
Signal has a solid cryptographic protocol, is fully open-source, and comes Snowden-approved. https://twitter.com/snowden/status/661313394906161152 It's not perfect (needing a phone; and needing gapps or a Google Cloud Messaging alternative on Android), but it is the best we've got right now.
Meanwhile, Telegram saves plaintext of everything but 'secret chats' (which aren't by default, are batshit-insane wonky custom crypto, and aren't MITM-proof) to servers: https://twitter.com/snowden/status/678271881242374144 https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/666672652103348224 https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/554285607036674048
Yet we keep seeing these threads (and even with the same OP as last time). Telegram must have a very good PR department... paid shills? I wonder who'd have a vested interest in persuading people to use weak/non-existent crypto in 'secure' messengers?
Durov, if you actually do mean well, fix Telegram - by which we mean, use Signal's protocol, Axolotl instead of your own garbage, actually use end-to-end encryption everywhere, and open the server source, and stop advertising it until it's actually secure. But in the absence of that, I can only assume bad faith.
Maybe I should keep this reply as pasta for the next time this comes around.
Telegram helps dictatorships like Egypt find users that is against the Egyptian government. Egypt has jailed tons of users through the information they have gotten from Telegram. It is safer to use Twitter, the Egyptian government have a harder time finding people who post anti-government sentiments on Twitter.
>>52233030 Telegram also requires a phone, as far as I understand it.
But I agree that we should class them both as "phone messengers", intended to be SMS-replacements - that's how a lot of normies do most of their messaging (when they don't use Facebook Messenger - and I have talked with the engineer at Facebook who set up their facebookcorewwwi.onion service about the possibility of using Axolotl in the future).
It would be very beneficial if Signal could be decoupled from that requirement - both for desktops and for tablets (finally, it'd be fully Skype-killing!). There's a Signal desktop client in beta which works as a Chrome extension, if you have an Android phone. I have it. It's a start and it works, but it's really only a start.
But then, it would also be beneficial if we had better metadata protection for messengers - because that is also a very important problem (people are literally targeted for murder via communication metadata!) - and that is one neither Signal, Threema or Tox solve.
Secure messaging in the presence of global active attackers is an open research problem, and there are no very impressive comprehensive solutions yet. Ricochet and Pond are quite good in their own ways, but they still have shortcomings.
But if someone's using Telegram, or Kik, or LINE (sticker support looks like it's coming soon?), or Viber, any of those other phone messengers that are out there, of course SMS right now, then Signal would be a much better choice for them. It would also be a better choice than WhatsApp or iMessage. That's something we can improve today, for ourselves, and the less technically-literate. We can help people make choices that suck less, while we prepare something that doesn't suck at all.
It would be a decent solution but there are some parts which i dont like.
First off they dont show off the protocols they use for their encryption and there is no E2E encryption. But the main part is: I dont't exactly know who is behind Telegram. They got millions of millions useres. Where do they take the money to pay all the servers since the Apps are free.
Reading https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/127 and searching for words "GCM" and "Push" you will learn that the only way to actually *use* Signal on an Android device without GApps is to use the -websockets fork. but then the Calls don't work.
>>52235711 >https://blog.zimperium.com/telegram-hack/ reading the chat log from hard drive, durr hurr
>First off they dont show off the protocols they use for their encryption Unlike Threema they do show their protocol and they also release the source code for all clients. https://core.telegram.org/mtproto
>and there is no E2E encryption There is end-to-end encryption if you use secret chats, but it should be default right.
>I dont't exactly know who is behind Telegram Its a German non-profit that got its finances from Pavel Durov (the VK guy).
>>52232303 My friends use it for making plans with one another. It's kind of pointless when there's other messaging apps but hey it helps me stay in touch and meet up with them to do stuff so I can't hate.
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