why, at this very moment, you are not working on a free software future based on superior unix successor plan9 gpl2 source? Explain yourself!
Because for anyone who uses computers for more than a Facebook machine, isn't a programmer or hobbyist Linux and UNIX, as well as most OSs based on them aside from OSX are simply inadequate. Open-source imitations of closed programs for everything except for the most baseline shit like email clients and text editors are just that, imitations. Shadows of their progenitors.
I can respect Linux and UNIX, but they are useless for me. Gave it a chance, couldn't do what I do (heavy graphic design, gaming) on Windows.
what if you could seamlessly continue your work on any machine you have access to because you actually are on the machine you started the work on? no silly remote desktop, just plain godly greatness. that's plan9. sadly you're not using it, your loss.
>silly remote desktop
VNC in all it's various implementations is used every day by everyone from your run of the mill IT guys to the some of the smartest people in the world.
People who know what they're doing tend to carry VNC over SSH, but that's a different story.
I don't frequent this site.. I just thought I'd check it out.. and man, what a shithole it is. The people here are almost exclusively adolescent aged males.. illiterate, video game addict, adolescent males. They aren't kernel developers. Most of them don't even have basis 101 level knowledge on topics like OSs, networking, computing, etc.. Just a 24-7 consumerism circle jerk.
>which brand name do I attach to my sense of self worth and start making shitposts about my confirmation bias
>I use x, I am important, therefore x is the best y.
I have exactly one machine (my desktop) I do real work on. Everything else has its own purpose and there would be little to no pointless overlap. I'm not using Illustrator on my phone or on my travel laptop. "Letting all your devices talk together" aside from very low-level interfaces like email, is consumerist bullshit that's meant for people who do nothing but play shitty little browser games, mobile-app tie-ins to those game and Facebook. It's not relevant to me, at all.
>but what if you forget X to take with you
I double-check myself and actually use my brain to make sure I remember. That's another thing all this crap does is allow you to be a moron. Anything so you don't have to think.
Tell me.. who owns bell labs?
>really? still? hm.. (it's obscured a little, but..)
And what has AT&T done in the past?
>changed licensing on things due to shekel-chasing
Now, in the real world, people do sometimes stop being jackasses, changes of management occur, etc, but how do we know it's not going to happen again? Tell us what the situation is with that. Also in the real world, people reminiscent of comic book villains also actually exist.
And this. It is a toy OS right now.
That's not what AT&T did according to this.. they bought it and closed it down.. and then the developers open sourced it..
>The Olivetti & Oracle Research Lab (ORL) at Cambridge in the UK developed VNC at a time when Olivetti and Oracle Corporation owned the lab. In 1999 AT&T acquired the lab, and in 2002 closed down the lab's research efforts.
Also.. this is the sort of thing rootkits are made of. I bet the NSA absolutely LOVES this..
1) AT&T doesn't own Bell Labs, Alcatel-Lucent does.
2) You can't change licenses in the way you're describing. Even if Lucent decided to continue working on Plan9 with a closed source license the versions they relased under GPL would still be GPL. Similar to how when openBSD started making openSSH they used the last open sourced version of SSH as their base.
I have actually ran Plan 9 on a system natively which puts me ahead of 90% of those singing its praises on /g/
Plan 9 is a meme. It's an OS for talking about, not for actually using.
I don't think that the lack of interest by the world at large is due to a lack of comfortable, familiar applications. I think it's got more to do with a lack of understanding of why Plan 9 is (*really!*) interesting and a shortage of people who find that utterly compelling. People have given various excuses in the past (lack of gcc or X11, cost, licence terms) but if you're really enthused, none of that matters. Unix was a hit because it filled a niche, and what passes for Unix these days is still filling that niche, and for a lot of peple that's good enough. Those of us who can't imagine going back to living on what passes for Unix are a definite minority.
simply put I'm waiting to see what HP does. They're apparently going to update HP-UX, or make some sort of desktop spinoff. I want to see where that goes before I invest any time into building my own UX-like os
I leave my basement more than I'd like and can't rely on a decent network connection for much of anything. I would love to use Plan 9 though, at least for some things. Maybe in the future.
If I ever get my hands on enough money, I'll employ a bunch of devs to improve hardware support..... or at least support one computer really well and release every year or two a new model with plan9.
>USB audio, disks, Ethernet, keyboards, mice and printers are supported (seeusb(4)) via the UHCI, OHCI and EHCI interfaces. XHCI (USB 3, 5Gb/s) is not yet started.
GNU/Linux is free as in freedom.
I'm just asking, what's cool about Plan 9, you don't have to call me an autist just for that.
Interesting, but there's not much of it actually.
yeah, they should have this for their logo
Plan 9 isn't cool as a desktop OS, it's mostly for research, custom lab stuff and fucking around like it's the 1990s.
Just getting on the internet and using a REALLY shitty browser is a task.
Haiku is years ahead as far as being a desktop OS goes and that shit needs a lot of work.
Well, if you're interested in OS research it most certainly is interesting. I remember people calling Haiku a hipster OS. I never used it. Maybe to appreciate such systems, I'd have to read and understand Tannenbaum.
>nein and nine being homophone
And presiding over it all..
>really? no, not really..
>and of course, here's this very close friend of mine who I was talking about in >>45815784
>of course, Death is a scary ass card to recurrently draw when asking tarot the question 'who am i'
Death is not so literal.
>but look at it.. LOOK AT IT..
>now this card, which you drew recurrently after the Ace of Spades was a recurrent card to draw..
>obviously it does not mean, in your case.. what it's a euphemism for in some vulgar slang..
>the Ace of Spades, though in tarot it is the ace of swords..
>in absence of the major arcana, this card is generally understood to mean 'death' in place of that card
>and in chess, pawns sometimes get promoted to queen
>also, the queen of spades is the queen of swords
Actually, no: >>45815812 (and I have been advised by >>45815855 to not install it)
So when I lost my deck of tarot cards in a move, I kind of still got the same result with regular playing cards..
>and then the queen of spades is like that but powered up
..thanks for explaining.
lol we're trolling this thread now, and no
That energy is just so strong with you, that you recurrently drew the same card, even in different decks (and it changed a little over time, yet remained the same).
I'm readingIntroduction to Operating Systems Abstractions Using Plan 9 from Bell Labswhich is a text used by some Spanish university on their os course if i remember correctly
Here's the link http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf
It gets really interesting from chapter 5
>he bothered to look at the consumerism threads
One day, when /g/ is strong enough, we will throw off those shackles (sheckles?) and relegate them to /ce/. But, today, they are the cancer that keeps us alive.
Wow i really fucked things up.
I'm reading Introduction to Operating Systems Abstractions Using Plan 9 from Bell Labs
which is a text used by some Spanish university on their os course if i remember correctly
Here's the link http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf
It gets really interesting from chapter 5
Am I supposed to use Plan 9's page to read this?
>yet here I am, being 5-generals tier to.. you
>but you're anarcho-Hitler, so..
Okay, all of this makes sense now.
That was mfw.. 'I just lost WW2 and you're asking me what to do. Are you insane?'
>the results of an experiment I've done by trolling you a bit is: you are still most capable of thinking for yourself
I like this result.
Beastie should stab it to death with a pitchfork.
Actually, it's a continuation of a decades-old.. meme. Perhaps the oldest meme. (the ctss people thought it up, the idea of naming background processes daemons, and this tradition was continued by multics and unix)
If you're really going to go by popular mythology, demons are specifically fallen angels. I guess we could get creative with interpretation of what a 'fallen angel' is..
>that choice of wording..
..one way to interpret it is that demons are the angels who are defeated somehow by humanity. The ones who fail. Another way to interpret it, is any incarnated angel would be a demon because they'd have to fall out of heaven. Anyways, does it alarm you that some spirits seriously have horns and a tail?
>still yet, there's the word 'daemon', and it's original meaning: the greeks believed daemons were a type of guardian angel, but you knew that
>and I accepted the truth because I do not like to deny reality when it is presented to me
>of course, it was quite a stab in the brain...
When people die, sometimes they're seriously still around as disembodied spirits (including you, Hitler)..
It was 2006 when I proved to you that I exist.
It was hilarious. Would do it again.
Still, you are right to wonder 'wtf are the implications of this?' because I wouldn't do this to just anyone, and it's not that you were a particularly annoying atheist (not to me anyways -- it IS subjective).
I'm pretty sure most atheists would go into a similar sort of shock at finding themselves in a real life poltergeist story and never awakening from the dream they think they must be having, but..
>you don't go scare people like theamazingatheist like that
..yeah, there has to be some reason why me, and you've still not explained it.
I have explained, so far, that I really really like you.. and.. >>45816179
Also, I like how understanding you were in response to having such a prank pulled on you. Most people would not be so understanding and sympathetic. Yes, being dead is boring, and I was lonely.
I don't really know much about it, but I *do* know it's pretty obscure, and in my experience obscure = poor hardware support.
Also FreeBSD is pretty fucking awesome, so if I'm going to switch operating systems, I'm probably going to go back to that.
I might try Plan 9 in a VM or something though.
Because stringing statically compiled blobs with a (significantly worse) second-class scripting language is not my idea of fun, and whole programs shouldn't be the smallest unit of functionality on a running system.
Streams (pipes) are pretty cool, but they aren't that cool.
You seem very confused, programs aren't statically linked with the whole library.
Pipe are a simple and effective (and bidirectional) which is reallly cool.
There are other things cool in Plan 9 that you ignored such as namespace and plumbing.
Everything you wrote really show your lack of knowledge on the topic.
But thanks for the bump anyway
The point is Plan 9 demonstrate that the everything is a file really simplify things and make you think why in other os doing the same task feel so unnecessary complex
You should define what you mean by substantial but I really don't see how what I do with plan 9 change the value of the os itself, am I really that important?
If I remember correctly plan 9 was used on blue Gene supercomputer, but again I can't understand the logic behind your question
>You seem very confused, programs aren't statically linked with the whole library.
That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the stupid distinction between a language and a system.
If you've used a truly dynamic system for any extent, you come to realize how much of a burden it is to have most of your system functionality locked away and essentially inaccessable at the user level, except on the terms of some monolithic program via flags, or, if you're a programmer, by making more monolithic blocks, or using some shitty FFI in another second-class, but less terrible programming language.
Are your parents brother and sister? I use plan 9 on metal very often because I think it's good. I didn't do anything that I would define "substantial " with Linux either, does this make Linux worthless?
To dumb it down, plan 9 makes shit simple, I never mentioned ideals
An example of a truly dynamic sistem?