/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

People with x200 or similar models, what temps are you getting?

Mine:

Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0:       +41.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1:       +39.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)

thinkpad-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
fan1:        1952 RPM
temp1:        +41.0°C  
temp2:        +44.0°C  
temp3:            N/A  
temp4:        +39.0°C  
Battery 1:    +35.0°C  
temp6:            N/A  
Battery 2:    +35.0°C  
temp8:            N/A  
temp9:        +43.0°C  
temp10:       +39.0°C  
temp11:           N/A  
temp12:           N/A  
temp13:           N/A  
temp14:           N/A  
temp15:           N/A  
temp16:           N/A  

For some reason the temp2 and temp9 are often particularly high, I've heard somewhere that temp2 is north bridge / HDAPS, any tips on how to decrease the temps there? I've had to set thinkfan so that the fan would stay quiet, otherwise it'd be blowing at >3000rpm almost all the time, which is rather audible.

My last motherboard stayed more quiet since the temp2 and temp9 weren't high in particular. Unfortunately it suffered from a broken mpcie port :/

>>45809709
PS. The temps are usually higher

>>45809637
>Buying a used laptop doesn't only cause headaches. It might not even end up being financially feasible. The maintenance and repair costs that may be incurred due to viruses, malware, spyware...can add up quickly.
fugging epic

>>45809342
pls

>>45809873
the notice is aimed at the typical user who might not think to install a fresh copy of the OS or clean out dust
or even test that everything works before buying

>>45809928
>T410
lowest: $100; highest: $200
>T420
lowest: $150; highest: $250
>X220
lowest: $150; highest: $250

Any higher than those, you're paying premium.

>>45809709
My x200t idles at 40-45c and reaches up to 70 when compiling or doing anything really intensive.

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>>45809709
Looks pretty normal to me. Don't expect laptop temp to disperse/distribute equally.

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>>45810004

>tfw a few months ago I sold my T420 for $375

>>45809709
x201 idle around 40-45, doing shit 45-55C,
x61T idle 39-44C, doing shit 44-60C,

X61T would be perfect if it didnt get so warm, I dont even use a wifi card using a wifi dongle

W520 users, temps?

$ sensors
acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:        +43.0°C  (crit = +98.0°C)

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Physical id 0:  +44.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 0:         +43.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1:         +44.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 2:         +40.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 3:         +44.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)

thinkpad-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
fan1:        1962 RPM

This is at load avg: 1.45, 1.17, 1.15, under load it gets up to 85.0 C easy.
Too hot?

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My thinkpad x200 is running a BIOS from 2009. What would I benefit from the latest BIOS update?

>>45810224
read the release notes

often it comes down to fixing incompatibilites/bugs and supporting new cpu's

rms-ThinkPad-T410 ~ # uptime
 23:08:05 up 53 days,  4:56,  2 users,  load average: 0,38, 0,41, 0,38
rms-ThinkPad-T410 ~ # sensors
acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:        +53.0°C  (crit = +100.0°C)

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0:       +43.0°C  (high = +95.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 2:       +43.0°C  (high = +95.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)

thinkpad-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
fan1:        3633 RPM
temp1:        +53.0°C  
temp2:         +0.0°C  
temp3:         +0.0°C  
temp4:         +0.0°C  
temp5:         +0.0°C  
temp6:         +0.0°C  
temp7:         +0.0°C  
temp8:         +0.0°C  


rms-ThinkPad-T410 ~ # 

Should I build a new desktop for VGA passthrough to run a Linux host but still be able to play muh gaems OR should I install Windows on my desktop and turn it into basically a game console and buy a thinkpad for my day to day Linux use? I realize responses here might be biased but I feel like VGA passthrough is more work than its worth right now with little guarantee that it is possible on certain hardware even with IOMMU support.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LENOVO-T410-TYPE-2522-AV7-14-1-INTEL-CORE-i5-2-40-GHz-4-GB-RAM-250-GB-H-/331416774970?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item4d29faa93a

Give me a reason not to.

>>45810294
I did exactly what you were talking about, turning my desktop into a game console, use my thinkpad for all manner of web browsing/chatting and desktop just for games. Worked out pretty good so far.

>>45810309
>1280x800

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T420 on Wangblows. 80-85C running Prime95.

Does it need thermal paste reapplication? Which paste is güd?

>>45810349
I'll probably grab a T440s then. I don't want to dump a grand on an entirely new build just to wait for VGA passthrough to mature or work on the hardware that I got or with the distro I want to use in their mainline kernel. Not to mention I could use a laptop at the moment.

>>45810455
Lot of people circlejerk about arctic silver.

>>45810493
I know ~80C is hot for a desktop. Some people told me that isn't hot for a laptop.

>>45810667
I don't have a laptop currently but it seems a little warm for me, then again keeping in mind you are running benchmarks then it is probably fairly normal. Applying thermal paste appropriately can't really hurt if you are worried though.

I got a X200 for free, missing an HDD.

I have an HDD but no caddy.

Can I just put the HDD in, shim it with some shit and be home free?

I live in a third world country with shitty customs and no caddies around for sale.

>>45810667
For a Core i-Series laptop, nope.

For a C2D laptop, yep.

What kind of battery life can I expect from a T410?

How much with power saver settings and low workload?

If I can make it nearly as appealing as the battery life on a X220, I'd pick one up right now.

>>45810768
It is possible. Use some kind of rubber to pad the gaps and makes sure you stick a tape and protrude it outside so you can pull it out later

>>45810873
Oh, well. Such is life. I hope it doesn't headcrash on me.

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x200 and x200t.

>>45810953
It's the same setup I have! :3

>>45810986
Awesome! Cheers.

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Which one /g/, x230 or x240?

>>45811001
X220

>>45811022
Thanks for the suggestion, but I needed something a bit more "modern".

>>45811022
X201 with X200 palmrest.

> wanting a touchpad

>>45811001
x201

>>45810857

three hours on a standard battery
six hours on the extended battery
some people swap the CD module for "battery 82" and get about 8 hours total

t410 screen is not great; i use mine to write books but if you think you will use yours to watch media, etc, you might look at other models

>>45811099
You want a thinkpad don't you?

>>45811099
x240 because of the built-in battery.

>>45811143
I have just got a t410 and the screen is pretty good for watching films/youtube, if you are a screen quality nazi then it will piss you off but for a normal person its adequate

>>45811320
no it is not good, it's shit
get the t430.

>>45811334
reminder if you want to do that, be sure to replace the keyboard with a T420's to get best of both worlds

>>45810192
>gets up to 85c
what are you doing? even when I'm watching a 1080p movie fullscreen with transmission/firefox in the background, I might hit 70c. why so high?

>>45811382
Compiling code, it's my work machine and I pass -j8 flag to make so it will use all 8 threads.

>>45811309
kek

>>45811150
Good point. Are there any significant benefits with the x230 over the x220, besides the keyboard?

>>45811444
ivy bridge cpu
much better GPU
usb 3.0
instant charge function
better build quality
illuminated keyboard (without the gay thinklight thing)

>>45811467
>ivy bridge
which means 22nm CPU. SB CPUs are made in gay 32nm technology. This means they overheat as fuck.
Get x230 god damnit

Did someone try x200, x201, t410 and similar with windows 10? I'm worried for compatibilities and performance of GPU Intel gma and stuff like that.

Also, is fingerprint a must or deal breaker? I've seen you can use it for boot up with a gesture. But would you buy a thinkpad without it?

>>45811724
Windows 10?

Nope.

But I've used a T61 with the GMA X3100 on Windows 8.1 x64. Works like a charm. No problems. Works way better than 7/vista/xp.

>>45811724
>>45811793
Nope as in "didn't try it".

>>45811493
Sandy Bridge ThinkPads don't overheat, you're an idiot. From Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge there was a very minimal gain in power efficiency, and power consumption is what mostly dictates heat.

if I were to get into the Thinkpad game and just use it as a travelling computer that can do all the basic shit (light browsing, word processing, some timekiller games), would one of the smaller ones or the touchpad one be ideal? I would be running either Mint or Windows 7 on it.

>>45811444
A generation new cpu.

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>computer store 1.5 hours away selling an X230 for $200
>already have a comfy X220t

I want to do it but I have no use for both of these and don't want to bother trying to resell one or the other...

>>45811724
I put win10 on x200t with 2gb of ram and 7200rpm hdd. A bit sluggish but bearable.

>>45811925
I can't even find an X220 for that price.

>>45810667
if its full load (cpu and gpu) then its fine, if its cpu only then its too hot
dont listen to the mac fags who will say that 95c is acceptable

>>45811838
Powertop reports 7-10 Watt with normal usage. With a bit heavier load I use about 15-20 Watt
X230

>>45811925
Buy it and wait 10 years till lenovo completely destroyed the thinkpad brand and sell it to neckbeards. Unopened sells high on auctions

>>45812129
I have a feeling in 10 years people won't be using laptops anymore. (and no I don't mean everyone will be using tablets and shit)

>>45811724
I didnt have any problems with windows 10 on my t410
power manager didnt like to work constantly, but other than that it was exactly like windows 8 on it

Anyone tested windos 10 on t420?

>>45812165
What do you think the next step is, if it's not tablets?

>>45812331
Do I look like an entrepreneur to you?

Brain chips.

Should I?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-2-5GHz-8GB-160GB-HDD-/251758289394?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3a9df6a1f2

>>45812547
Considering that RAM ain't cheap I'd go for that price

If I lived in america

[spoiler];_;[/spoiler]

is 1366x866 really that bad on the t420's 14 inch screen? trying to decide quickly so i can ship it in before i have to go back to college

>>45812993
768* shit

>>45812993
Not so much a problem with the resolution, just that the panels put into T420's were very low quality and sucked dick.

>>45813022
low quality in what way specifically? just visually or durability-wise also?

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How much should I pay for an x230?

Should i get a t61 fully functional for 85 or a t400 with misfunctional speakers for 100?
both with 2gb of ram, same hdd, same everything.

>>45813164
T61

>>45813051
poor brightness

>>45813164
> Same everything
Nah, the T400 performs better, as it uses a later-gen C2D.

Also uses DDR3 RAM which is cheaper and available in bigger sizes.

Up to you. The speakers should be very cheap and very easy to replace, look on ebay and make up your mind.

My 0.02 are on the T400.

>>45813164
T400 is objectively the better deal, and unless you really want (shitty) laptop speakers then go for the less powerful T61.

>>45813233
Forgot to mention it also has a better integrated GPU.

>>45813164
Same display? Poster said "same everything" but it's wise to be precise.

>>45811001
x301

>>45813227
>>45813233
>>45813234
>>45813283

With >same everything, I meant same accesories, sorry.

The t400 comes with a p8600 and the t61 comes with a t7100, the difference is really that much? Because speakers are important to me and i can get the replacement for 10 bucks. That comes to a total of 110 bucks for a fully functional t400 and 85 for a t61. Taking into account that i need to buy a 9 cell battery and a SSD, I need to think about the money.

>>45813410
>the difference is really that much?
Yes.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=999&cmp[]=974

The GMA X3100 of the T61 is also inferior to the GMA 4500MHD on the T400.

The T400 is also thinner and lighter.

My T61 works fine, but if you're after performance, go for it.

You might also want to check X200 prices.

And T61 with NVIDIA graphics cards are faulty.

>>45813070
pls respond

>>45812331
global warming will continue its runaway course and all traces of humanity will be incinerated in our new Venus like atmosphere

>>45812547 here, is this actually a decent price for the machine? I just want something that I can use for chinese cartoons and web browsing, probably TF2 at the very worst.

>>45813453
I didnt know it was that big of a difference, I guess that settles it, I will pay the extra 25 bucks, I am not after perfomance, laptop will only be used for circuit simulations and watching movies in bed with my GF, I also checked prices for the x200, but here in Mexico there is only one for sell on a bid currently on 85 bucks and it finishes tomorrow (dont have cash atm).

>>45813633
aboot tree fiddy

>>45813744
With used Thinkpads, you're always better off waiting for a good deal.

I live in Brazil and after waiting a few weeks I saw a X200T for 100 USD. When the 'normal' price for them here is around 450 USD.

>>45813725
i'm looking at that one too although i'd like a bigger hdd. seems pretty solid but might try to make an offer for 10-20 buckaroos less (taking into account the 15 dollar shipping)

>>45813800
HDD isn't that big a deal to me, I was planning on swapping it out for a spare 500GB hard drive I have laying around.

I think I'll get it, just have to figure out what OS to install.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420-4178-6UU-Price-to-Sell-/131389442678?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item1e976bca76

is this too good to be true?

>>45813973
It seems well within a realistic range. Just hope there aren't any glaring flaws.
Given that there's a few it was likely last used by some business.

How low level are the charge levels set on the Lenovo Power Manager?
If it's off, (or heck, no OS, no HDD, no anything) will it still obey the charge levels I set?

>>45813842
You should really get an SSD anyways.

>>45814220
If you don't set it up, then I think it's 97-100%.

How do you set the charge levels without an OS or hard drive or anything?

>>45814220
Charge levels are generally set in some portion of memory, possibly on the battery itself. They're obeyed across different operating systems or off.

You'll also find that the charge thresholds are reset if you remove and reinsert the battery, even just for a few seconds.

>>45814406
Because I hypothetically took it out for service, hypothetical service.
>>45814523
And so I would guess that booting up again would reapply the charge levels?

>>45814584
Pretty much, but only if it's into an operating system which has the levels applied.
E.g. Set the levels in a windows 7 installation, reboot into something else. Charge levels preserved.
Set the levels in a windows 7 installation, remove and reinsert battery, reboot into something else. Charge levels lost until you reboot into the 7 again.

>>45810224
>not using coreboot

computer took a shit today so I need a new one, problem is I don't want to spend that much because all I do is:
>4chan funposting
>coding (uni level stuff)
>LaTeX

I was gonna get a T400 b/c there's a cheap one nearby but my brother told me I shouldn't because laptops 3+ years old are obsolete and not worth the money. He's the type of guy who needs the latest and greatest hardware on his comp so I am weary to take his advice. What should I do?

laptop I had in mind....
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/sys/4804187343.html

>>45814406
I just pulled the trigger on the T420 and a 180GB SSD, since I won't need that much space when I think about it, probably 70-80GB for all of my music and other media.

>>45813793
Yeah, I'll wait a month (till i start my semester), i saw a t61 4gb RAM, 500gb hdd in perfecto condition for 60 bucks, but the dude doesnt answer me, the other dude doesnt look like he is selling them anytime soon, I am checking mercadolivre from here everyday since the start of the week for a deal, my first choice is a x200t too actually.

>>45810001
The notice is aimed at tricking rubes into buying more new hardware. It's textbook FUD against the secondary market.

>>45814685
Your Thinkpad prices are at least pretty cheap.

It's impossible to find a T61 for less than 90 USD here.

Keep watching and you'll see a good offer eventually.

>>45814715
well yea

>>45814728
Not that much, normal price for a t61 here is >90bucks and for comparison the cheapest t410 is 200 bucks.

I just gave up and got a zbook 15 g2
If only IBM still made them, I wouldn't have to relay on HP.

>>45814656
You could do much better like:
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-2-5GHz-8GB-160GB-HDD-/251758289394?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3a9df6a1f2
from higher up in the thread. Your listing might be worth it if you appreciate all of the connectivity you'd get from the docks, but you would still get a better deal from eBay. Try talking the guy down if you're up to haggling. And yeah, you really don't need much more than a Core 2 Duo, don't listen to your brother.

>>45813973
going to pull the trigger on this one

Do you buy third-party or official batteries? Looks like the battery in my T420s is toast and the Lenovo replacements are stupidly expensive.

>>45814965
I've seen genuine batteries on Amazon go for non-Lenovo prices that weren't too bad. Check there.

>>45814972
I'm only seeing them for around $150 on Amazon.ca. There's an official one on ebay for $80 and the third-party ones are around $40. I'm just worried it'll explode or something.

>>45811309
ayyyyyyyyyy

>>45809637
upgrading from an X61s. Need something with a great keyboard, a little less warm, and portability, which leads me to learn towards the X series. Have no idea which one is best though, X220, X201, or X230? Anybody with lots of experience in the X series line? Thanks in advance.

>>45815073
Here's the deal. Cheap OEM batteries have likely been sitting on a shelf for a while, so they've since degraded, no longer holding their full charge despite being new.

Chinese batteries usually have a high capacity, but degrade faster because of their cheaper cells. If you want a genuine one buy only from Lenovo. Even sellers who charge full retail occasionally sell old batteries, it's not worth the risk.

What people usually do is buy a chinese battery and a portable fire extinguisher -- still less than a genuine battery.

>>45815261
In order of performance:

The X230 has the chiclet keyboard (which you can replace with an X220 keyboard with some keys not working), 16:9 screen and a touchpad with a clickpad.

The X220 has the 16:9 screen and a touchpad with a clickpad.

The X201 has a 16:10 screen and a touchpad with hardware buttons. You can put a X200 palmrest if you don't like the touchpad.

The X200 has a 16:10 screen and no touchpad.

>>45815303
whats a good price for an x230?

>>45810294
If gaming, Windows host then Linux and whatever other guests you like. No need for direct hardware access for Linux for your use case and a new desktop will be very nice for virtual machines.

If you have no notebook, Pads with Linux are good stuff.

I run VMs on most of my PCs since it's trivial to install them while doing swhatever else I was doing with the computer.. Windows hosts get Linux guests, and Linux hosts get Windows guests. I treat OS as if they are applications.

>>45810889
Caddies with cover kits are under ten dollars off Ebay.

>>45815372
They'll just take a 2-3 months to get here, shitty customs as I've said.

>>45810455
>Prime95
Why not IntelBurnTest?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420-4180-WND-14-WXGA-2-50GHz-CORE-i5-2520M-4GB-320GB-/251714824564?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3a9b5f6974
Probably an awful buy but Meh

>>45815520
>Prime95
Closed source.

I want to change my current laptop for a thinkpad. I need a good battery life and it must run adobe suite + a bit of SolidWorks, any advice? (big budget)

>>45815627
W-Series workstation.

Some dude in my state (I live in Mexico) is selling a used T60 for 100 dollaros (1600 pesos).

I want it primarily for coding, etc.

is it a good deal.

>>45816546
You could probably get it for a bit cheaper, ~$85 or so.

>>45816562

Found one for 90 dollars.

Core 2 duo 1.8ghz
1gb of ram ddr2
60gb of ram

Is this good?

Just got a thinkpad X201T in pretty good condition with a dock and 4 gigs of ram for 200
only downside is that the speakers "cut in and out" but who gives a fuck about speakers on a laptop

>>45816605
90 dollars for 60GB of RAM is a steal

I say go for it

>>45810001
>friend buys used gaming laptop
>is too lazy to reformat
>I immediately get spam from his email

Why does my thinkpad screen goes warmer (dims), whenever i visit a dark website on firefox or i am watching a dark scene of a movie ? How does one fix this issue ?

>>45816905

Power inverter is going bad, look into getting a replacement soon.

>>45817034
How is that possible, it is a new thinkpad. I thought the problem might is that i have to change some settings.

>>45817275
What model?

>>45816905
Probably Intel graphics power savings, I get it on my Surface and Atom tablets and it's annoying as fuck. Just go into the Intel graphics settings panel and disable the Display power saving technology thing.

should i get a refurbished thinkpad, or a refurbished HP elitebook portable workstation?

Waiting for a T500, prices in europe are horribly inflated but it's still a better deal than buying a new low-end laptop. I'll put a 120GB 840 in there and am hoping for a decent experience under Windows 7 (with 4GB of RAM). Mostly office stuff and whatnot. Opinions on the T500 in (nearly) 2015?

>>45818928
Still good. I have a t400, x200, x200t snd they are still quite speedy with an ssd in them.

>>45820428
Nice, I still feel like I'm overpaying for it (200€) but it's still better than any of the "new" models with a shitty keyboard and a 1366x768 screen. I just hope that I'm not getting dicked over by the ebay-seller, he had 100% good ratings (with several thousand purchases) and it's an actual shop in germany that gives you 1 year warranty on your purchase. First time buying something through ebay, and I'm nervous as heck....

>>45820428
Also I guess I'll have to enable AHCI mode in the bios before I do anything, right? I have absolutely no experience with SSDs and older machines.

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My thinkpad suffered a fall yesterday, and this morning I woke up to find the screen like pic related.

I checked the contacts, and they seemed fine, so it's probably the IPS panel that's fucked.

Is there anything I can do about it or is the screen fucked for good. I don't have much money to get a replacement screen with ;_;

If there's nothing I can do, does anyone know of a good place (other then ebay) to get a good IPS replacement panel?

>>45820787
It could in theory still be the GPU, but that definitely looks like a fucked screen.

>>45820953
I checked it with an external monitor, GPU worked fine.

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>>45811001
X230T.

You will hate the click pad on any *40 product.

>>45820787
>>45820988
Looks pretty fucked to me, better start searching for a new panel.

>>45820787
Is it still under warranty?

>>45811001
x240.
Haslel ULT is the best CPU you'll ever use.
Support for 32GB RAM
built-in 3cell battery + normal 6cell battery
better battery life than x220 and x230 combined

>>45822739
>Support for 32GB RAM

uhhh X240 can only go up to 8GB (X220 and X230 can go up to 16GB) since it only has one RAM slot

>>45822785
what the fuk.
It must be having a soldered module somewhere.

>>45822795
Nope. Just one single DIMM slot.

T440 and T440s have 4GB soldered + one RAM slot so their max is 12GB.

>>45822836
This is a fucking bullshit.

Thinking about buying an 80gb hard drive for my T60. What should I be paying for one online.

>>45823086
You mean SSD?

Why would you buy an $80 HDD? They are fucking dirt cheap, literal pennies.

>>45823127
>$80 HDD
80GB HDD *

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Chinkpad t440s reported in.

By far the best laptop I used. Love the 1080p ips screen.

Any thinkpad with 3/4th gen i5 and decent screen? Video would b nice but I doubt there is any
Love my t420 but an upgrade is needed.

>>45823601
Why do you need to upgrade from a T420? Just get an SSD

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>>45823139
HDD?
I find used harddrives are expensive online, but you're looking at $23 and up for a drive that size.

I think I paid $17.50 for 160GB hard drive, but I bought 10 for $175, talked the seller down from $220 on eBay.
>dem best offerz

>>45816720
>mfw

>>45823617
I am. The 2nd gen is starting to feel slow. Unless you can upgrade which I am more than happy to
>>45823756
>miah reed
good job anon

>>45823847
slow at what? Performance increase to Ivy Bridge or Haswell isn't very much.

You could swap in a quad-core i7 if you wanted to.

>>45823847
what do you use it for, that you need better CPU.

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i want to marry a cat

>>45823967
>>45823955
It is nothing specific, just in general compared to friends 3rd gen sony vaio running windows. Thanks for trying to help but is there no honestly thinkpad with 3/4gen i5 and a good screen? 1366x768 really triggers me

>>45824158
When was the last time you reinstalled the OS? Are you using Windows 7 and was his machine running Windows 8?

You should not be able to notice the difference between the two just through casual usage... There should be 0 differences.

>>45809637

I've had a Edge 330 now for almost one and a half years. I'm happier than I have ever been with my laptop. I know its pleb tier by /g/ standards, but I was wondering, have any of you had experiences with the Edge series?

>>45824116
i...i think thats my cat in the middle
my old cat
who is dead

>>45824116
>i want to marry a cat
you too?

>>45824189
Seriously? In that case I won't bother. Running win8 and so was my friend. I was prolly just trying to spend needlessly then. Thanks for saving me anon

worth the upgrade from an i5-2520m to an i7-2630qm for a T420?

can the cooling handle it?

>>45824273

It doesn't seem worthwhile. Seems like a nominal increase in performance for the effort and money.

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>>45817880
Thank you so much !

Is there a decent place to buy thinkpads (t420) in australia? Best place I found was ebay for $370AU

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tomorrow i'm buying a t420 :3
1600x900, 8gb ram, 319€

I'm so happy /tpg/

>>45824909
where from?

>>45824947
Rome. I'm buying in person from a used laptop shop.

Ended leasing and all that I guess

>>45824273
You can pick up the CPU's on ebay for pretty cheap. Yes the cooling can handle it.

>>45823399
wallpaper pls
i luv it

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>>45824116
are you me?

>>45809637
About to pull the trigger on an X220, anybody have any gripes or problems with it?

besides the god awful 1366x768
is it really a deal breaker?

>>45810224
install coreboot

>>45809637
>the laptop in that drawing doesn't has the thinkpad logo upside down

"that ain't a real thinkpad"

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Hey guys.

I've accidentally lost my x220 which I've been used for the last 2.5 years. So now there is a dilemma - look for another x220 which could be a used one, or pick up some alternate one.

There are could of killer-features why I love this model to death:
- 12.5'
- IPS matrix
- core i7
- lightweight
- adequate keyboard (it's hard to understand how someone could love the keyboard of x230's)

In addition, I must admit that it just feel right when you keep it on your knees. It's an awesome mix of mobility and power. But I'm not feel confident about buying stuff from the ebay since I cannot check the laptop before making a deal, I'm just don't trust these salesmen.

On the other hand, there should be some other mobile laptops that people are using in the trip, which could be comfortable as the x200 series. Could you please point me on the alternatives, what I should check?

What would you do in situation like this?

Thanks

Is there a way to undervolt and undeclock a w510?

I did it on my x61t, but I cant find throttlestop 3.0 anymore

>>45826530
what did it improve when you underclocked it?, I have a x61T and was wondering what the benefits are

>>45823399
how bad is the keyboard? They look real nice but seriously the chiclet style really throws me off. I loved the old keyboard design. I'm still running an X61s because of it

>>45812993
Why is lenovos site, so shitty? All the content is off the side, and can't scroll. Unusable on phone.

>>45825832
1366x768 isn't that bad on a 12.5" display...

>>45826615
Lower power consumption, less heat production, at the loss of some performance.

>>45826925
good, screw mobile users

>>45826615
It runs for about another hour on battery, and the temps are about 10-15 degrees lower.

The performance is the same. It is just less stable depending n how far you go

>>45827180
Me again, best program to underclock the shit out of the gpu while not using it?

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I'm looking to buy a replacement screen for my X220. There's two relevant listings on Amazon (eBay is 2slow, plus customs and duties).

One is for the X220 4287-2VU, and is $73, while the other is for the X220 4286-CTO (the model I have) and is $85.

Can I buy the cheaper IPS screen and still install it without problems, or do I have to spend the extra bux to make sure it works?

>>45826925
I have an x230, love it. Including the keyboard.
It took a bit to get used to it after the x220 and the x201 before.

I do get that some keys are not where you wished they where, but you get used to it.
As for the on press resistance and stuffs,... no issues here.

Made me get the "Desktop" version (compact usb with trackpoint) and ... well that thing may look the same, but it doesnt feel quite right in comparison.

Anyways,


Its make doesnt feel less robust than the previous models (and i dropped all three of them)

Do i think the "extra" you get is worth it?
like the extra battery life?
like the extra cpupower?
or like the extra graphics power?

As for me, i just wanted one that i could stock up on from storebought parts, and i do believe that as far as desktop computing is concerned, the i5 models are as good as i can score in the next 5-8 years

=> its not about budget in my case, I dont see that much more expansion in my computing needs. (been running a minimal linux install for years, switching over to netbsd right now)

Just bought 2 more i5 models. Ram upgrades from the "refurbished/restored" ones from 4g to 8g are cheap if you dont need more. Upgrade to 16g is possible and

Happy with the dispay as well, a friend of mine is going to try to retrofit the display of the 240 into it, if that goes well, i may actually order some new panels.

Right now the 44++ batteries (9 cell) are still going for reasonable prices (new).. got myself a few spare ones.

been considering the "slice" battery (19+ i think they are called), could be worth it, but dunno.

hope that helps

>>http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/faqs/used-laptops
Holy shit so much bs in a single page. Im so glad I got my used T520 a year and half ago, not only was it in pristine condition but the prices actually went up where I live.

>>45827463
How much did you pay for the x230? I've been looking to get one myself but I'm not sure what a reasonable price would be.

>>45827126
how hard is it to underclock under linux?, I really want to try but don't want to fuck something up. And I would love it that my x61T would be a little bit cooler.

>>45827548
Right now i can pick em up around 450-600 (cleaned and checked) with various vendors.

If you dont need it, get one that has the 3320 (no vpro and stuffs if i remember right), makes them a bit cheaper, stop caring what hd is in it (who cares) if you go with the x230's i recommend you pick up an 840 or 850 pro from samsung. (i use the 128g ones).

Usually the one with the ericson modem are cheaper than the ones with other options. Cheapest ones are without wwan.

the ericson one works marvelous in europe.
(on linux its easy to get up and running).

Cheaper models also come without bluetooth.

Whats worth it is getting one without the wwan and getting one as a seperate part for an upgrade if you need it (check that its upgradable), but getting one without bt and upgrading because of that, is almost never worth it.

Oh yeah, and make sure the supervisior password thing is not set and the "trace" function is off. because... there are some stolen ones floating around

>>45827701
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_Frequency_Scaling

May not be your distro, but go over it anyway and try the more "temporary" things. If you fuck up, try forcing a reboot

>>45827644
>>45827759

Sorry replied to the wrong post.

Any screen upgrades for the t410? I have one with the 1440x900 panel, just wondering if there's something with better image quality.

My X200 Tablet's screen latch broke.

How hard is it to replace it?

>>45820787
I would ask in the Thinkpad forums, and don't forget to give the code on the sticker on the bottom of your case.

>>45827874
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/43y6632_03.pdf

>>45827376
Check the actual part number of the screen, and check the Thinkpad Forums for best display replacement advice because there are sometimes different makers or resolution options.

>>45809637
>Why You Shouldn't Buy Used ThinkPads
I wonder what the faggot on here saying its better to buy used than refurbished thinks about this.

>>45828191
>http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/43y6632_03.pdf
Thanks. Lenovo's site is absolute shit.

I miss IBM's.

>>45809637
im about to buy an x220 laptop for $300 on craigslist. what should i look for when i test out my new thinkpad?

>>45809637
>Why You Shouldn't Buy Used ThinkPads Edition: http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/faqs/used-laptops/

this article looks like it was written for tech illiterates.
>watch out! you might have a virus before you know it!
opinion discarded.

>>45828338
I think they are talking about human viruses. Given how many NEET neckbeards use thinkpads i would be cautious of purchasing one. I rather buy a refurbished model than buying a used one from some neckbeard that faps to loli threads and maybe some illegal content.

>>45828392
explain to me what you think refurbished means

>>45810224
If by update you mean coreboot.
Freedom, faster boot, 1337 (|233|)

>>45814715
No. There is zero quality control when you buy a used computer. This advice is for people who do not know how to install an OS which is 80% of the population. If you know how to install and configure your OS, then this advice is not for you.

>>45828421
wow, not him, but i didnt even know this was a thing. is it safe to change the bios like that? fail safes for fail upgrades?

>>45828407
Have you ever bought refurbished?
They do more than just fix whatever problem it may or may not of had. They clean the shit out of them to basically a new condition. When I bought mine it came with protective plastic all over it. I would say thats better than buying a used thinkpad stained with dorito fingers and crusty cum in between the keyboard. On lenovos website they sell them as either refurbished or open box.

>>45828450
I feel like you're trying to justify overspending on a "refurbished" machine.

>They clean the shit out of them
No, they don't. They may wipe down the surface but that's it. If the previous owner treats it well and keeps it clean, then you'll get a clean, used, machine.

>>45828497
I like how you dont answer my question.
Have you ever bought a refurbished thinkpad?

Most of them arent even used. Just returned models and yes they do clean the shit out of them. Refurbished models arent even that much more expensive. Maybe $50 more and you get a 1 year warranty with that.

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>>45828440

>>45828258
What's his logic for that?

>>45828549
I've bought a refurbished dock, it was kind of beat up but it worked fine. Also bought a refurbished Dell monitor (from Dell, not Lenovo, obviously), which was also kind of beat up and panel was dirty.

I've bought two ThinkPads off of craigslist and a monitor. One ThinkPad was in perfect condition, the keyboard showed no wear (and still doesn't). Second ThinkPad had a cracked palm rest and the keyboard showed some wear and the display was broken, which I got fixed under warranty and they kindly replaced the palm rest too. The monitor was also in perfect condition and the guy still had the original box for it.

If a t60 has an ati gpu does that mean by default it will have the 1400x1050 res panel if its a 14.1?

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>>45828654
Also to note, I did cum on it after I bought to establish dominance, just in case the previous owner jizzed on it first.

>>45828844
This is also dust, not dirt or grime or anything.

>>45809637
>Why You Shouldn't Buy Used ThinkPads Edition: http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/faqs/used-laptops/

Imagine that, a computer manufacturer doesn't want you to buy a used computer. Can't imagine why.

has anyone underclocked their thinkpad under linux?, and how hard is it?, is there a guide?

>>45828888
I haven't done it because I don't regularly use Linux, but you should be able to through your power manager, I'm assuming.

>>45828844
I'd lick it.

>>45828642
Basically that used models are better because they are still working and have never needed any repairs and refurbished models are inferior because they may have had an issue at one point.

>>45828654
Sounds to me like youre trying to justify getting swindled by purchasing used products. It seems like you didnt buy refurbished and instead bought "scratch and dent" products which is different than buying refurbished.

>t510
>i7 (2nd gen ?)
>8GB ram
>1GB nvidia card (I thought these only came with integrated graphics)

Guy's asking 450€ for it, negotiable. How much is it worth? Bear in mind that prices here are much higher than in the US

>>45829018
Offer him 1000, then feel good that you made someone's day.

>>45829018
He's also selling this one, he doesn't specify the model and I can't tell them apart through pictures. But I assume it's a T4* and I want 15 inches

>>45828994
I wait for good deals to pop up before buying my used products. I don't see how I can be getting swindled when I can turn around and sell it on Ebay for more as "seller refurbished". Not to mention both of the ``used" ThinkPads I bought were both still under factory warranty. While refurbished junk from Lenovo only gets a 1 year limited warranty.

No, they were certainly "certified refurbished items", but I don't care because I don't see the dock, it's under the laptop. The monitor I cleaned myself and got rid of the base for a VESA stand anyways, probably could have gotten it cheaper if I looked around more on the used market though.

What babby's first linux should I put on my x220

>>45829237
haiku os :^)

>>45829237
arch

>>45829075
>justifying this hard
All lenovo laptops new or refurbished come with 1 year warranty unless you purchase extended warranty. While you were lucky that the ones you purchased were still under warranty its not the case for every used thinkpad. But every refurbished thinkpad sold by lenovo does come with the 1 year warranty which can also be extended if youre dumb enough to give the jews more sheckels.

>>45829344
FUCK OFF YA PIECE OF SHIT

>>45829374
I don't need to justify anything, the thing about buying from Lenovo is that they know what they are selling and you will NEVER get a good deal from a "refurbished" laptop.

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>>45829453
Whats a good deal to you? 99% off you fucking jew?
>muh 6 million
Go back to /mlp/ and submit more of your gay pony drawings you faggot.

>>45828844
Hurry up and take that shitty sticker off your trackpad.

>>45828258
>>45828392
>>45828450
>>45828642
not whoever youre talking about but...

i repaired consumer electronics for 7 years and refurb techs were the shittier techs and repair techs sucked in general

by far the worse shit to repair was refurb stuff or something previously repaired by a shit tech, which was 90% of techs

with refurb, expect missing and loose screws, horrendous solder jobs, random connectors not plugged in, etc

so point is, unless you get something refurbed by one of the 10% who actually do good work...

used > refurb

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>>45829701
X220t and I think the X220 both use a solid plastic trackpad, since the trackpads are different from the T and W-series trackpads, unlike previous generations.

I did take it off of my T420.

>>45828994
>not refurbing your own products
what are you some kind of bitch?

>>45829237
crunchbang

Please respond:

My screen for my T400 is unusable, the backlighting is completely gone so I can't see anything but blackness, unless I look for a long time I can see the actual content on the screen.

It works when I attach a second monitor to it and can see fine, so I was thinking of using it as a pseudo desktop with just the base.

How do I take out the screen completely like that one dude?

>>45829932
A new screen is about $30-40, and replacing it takes about the same amount of effort as removing the screen.
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/43y6629_03.pdf

>>45830004
Well I already have an X200s, which I mainly use
I only got it for $80, it's a C2D with 2 GB of ram and like a 60GB HDD. Not really worth it

>>45829885
Ah, my bad. But damn does that look good.

>>45830062
OK, you should be able to just remove the whole screen assembly.

>>45829932
Lots of people remove screens to use an external monitor. I did with an R60 as they aren't worth fixing unless the parts are free. Just get a good 00 Phillips screwdriver if you don't already have one and follow the manual. It's good practice and you can stash the dead display in case another Pad with a good display comes your way.

Everyone should have at least one Wiha:

http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-Phillips-Screwdriver-PicoFinish-Precision/dp/B000T9QZGU

>>45830245
>Everyone should have at least one Wiha
Yes. Got a couple in my collection for some oddball uses that my Craftsman set didn't come with, and they're a bit nicer.

Are the x131e's shit? I'm probably going to leave chromeos or install debian, I really only intend on using it for notes and papers. 2x1.5 seems enough for that, is there something shit about them I'm not noticing?

>>45828994
some "refurbished" don't have anything wrong with them. when (some) large businesses replace laptops and computers, they do so with all at once. most refurbished laptops on newegg came from businesses.

>>45831453
I thought the X130e was decent, its the AMD version. Nabbed one for $130, 5 hour battery life, resold it for $220

>>45809637
Does a T60 use less power than a T420? Or is it the other way around?

>>45832012
T60 is 5 years older, what do you think?

>>45831984
I'm looking at the intel version for $250, it claims to get ~8 hours battery, is that bullshit? AMD is supposed to be worse for power usage...

>>45832071
It uses a 63Wh battery, so 8 hours id kind of generous IMO, but it's safe to assume you'll get at least 6 hours from normal usage.

So how secure are the fingerprint scanners? I plan on using it to show off to my Dell and HP fag friends, along with the ThinkLight.

>>45827376
The X220 only had one option of screen. Just go with the cheaper one. You might want to check the manufacturing date though because newer ones have fixed the image persistence issue that plagued early production units, if you are particular with that sort of thing. I have an early production X220 (June 2011) and the image persistence problem isn't such of a big deal. It's still a beautiful IPS screen but the screen develops weird bright spots over time, which is arguably a bigger issue.

>>45832292
They are flawed by design, if you are genuinely worried about security, then don't use it.

I use mine out of convenience of one swipe = boots up and logs in.

>>45832021
Core 2 Duo's are less power efficient than Sandy Bridge

>>45832071
8 is pushing it, probably with low brightness, WiFi off and some bs running program for it for that claim.

I got ~5 hours with 4channing, M$ word 2010, YouTube n some di.fm mixed in. I highly doubt the Intel CPU is that great, I didn't get the battery specs on it, so maybe it was at 78% of its original threshold. Then yes it would be correct.

I didn't mind that laptop, typing was nice, palmrest was a bit awkward, the screen was one of the worst I've seen, but bearable under full brightness.

>>45829776
>truly retarded
I can tell everything you just said was a fucking lie. You were probably samefagging extra hard.

>>45832371
It's no big deal. I don't think anyone wants to steal my 8 year old laptop. O just don't want my friend snatching it and looking through my shit.

>>45832405
some people are batshit about screens, bad how?

>>45832537
Some people have varying amounts of autism.
>backlight bleed
>muh viewing angles bcuz im too beta to look at the screen straight
>color reproduction
>ips meme
and plenty of other autisms. If you have never been bothered by some of these things than you likely arent autistic.

>>45828570
It's hilarious because the Chinese text below means "order from the highest authority".

Really, using Google and manuals should be common knowledge by now.

>>45832590
I guess matte/glossy is a meme too right

and contrast and gamma and colors and screen door effect

>>45832741
I forgot to mention those, thanks.

>>45832537
Eh, once you go IPS and HD+ its hard to go back.
Screens alright imo, its not that big of a deal but if its not flat give or take 10 degrees , you'll see dark/brightness screen. It makes a great travel laptop, the bumper lid is kinda awesome.

Its not glossy which is good, for it being a HD screen that is 11" its alright, better than the X220.

whats a docking station for?

>>45832955
convenience, ports expansion

My brother has an X220 he wants to sell me for a hundred bucks its in great shape and has the dock with it.

He got it from some auction and its brand new in the box still. Should I get it from him?

>>45810768
most SSDs should fit in just fine, without the need for a caddy. it worked for my x220.

>>45833841
The caddy is for extracting the hard drive and the rubber rails are to keep it from wobbling to protect the drive and the connectors.

Nothing to do with fitment. As long as it is a standard 2.5" drive, then it'll fit...

>>45811368
Wait, do all the keys actually work with a key remap?

And can you still turn on the ThinkLight with the Fn + PgUp keys?

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>>45833800
Yes.
>>45833984
Also, can I still use the numpad on the keyboard?

>>45832889
>tfw no new saucy vid

>>45829776
I can confirm this.
I didn't get a ThinkPad though, I got an HP Elitebook 8460p.
It was 'manufacturer refurbished', and the palmrest and back cover were bent, some of the keys didn't work, and the Windows OS wasn't even genuine.
Being refurbished doesn't mean shit.

what kind of battery life should i expect from an x201t with the i5 520um (ulv) cpu with the 8 cell battery

>>45834344
If the battery is in good condition, about 8 hours. Also depends what you're doing and what your settings are.

>>45834366
browsing 4chin with 4-5 pages open, at almost lowest brightness
I will be using linux and firefox since windows 7 has always given me shitty battery life

>>45834387
also can I attach a battery to the dock and get extra battery life?

>>45834387
Do you plan on installing any power manager? If not, then Linux will be a lot more shit than Windows.

>>45826216
Any help there?

>>45834400
You could stick an Ultrabay battery in the Ultrabase. Not worth it though.

>>45834405
IDK i always used the default power manager in linux mint since I always got better battery stock in mint than with the lenovo power manager set to the super power saving mode (4 hours in windows, 5-7 hours in linux)
>>45834417
damn, will having the dock attached use a noticeable amount of power? I hate thin laptops

>>45811724
If it's Intel pretty sure it's gonna work
If it's AMD/ATI you will find problems going post Win7

>>45813051
Poor brightness, poor colors, poor black level

The W key on my T420 feels a bit weird.
If I pull it up to check if anything's stuck beneath, is it possible to get it back on again?
I remember scissor switches being a nightmare for this.

don't know a lot about thinkpads
is e545 good for uni life/work/light-decent gaming?
looks good in terms of specs/price/etc

I'm looking for a new laptop for my mother, now she has an Amilo Pa 2510, which is falling apart and slowly dying, overheating, hdd problems, and one hinge is cracked, so it's sitting stationary on a desk (2gb, amd dual).She just uses it for facebook, chatting and reading stuff. Since I bought t410 this summer, I think a thinkpad would be perfect for her needs and abilities to break computers.
Also, another friend of her wants some second hand laptop for the same needs. I found two t61's for ~180 euros both (90eu/piece). There are identical C2D, 100gb hdd, 2gb ddr. Should I ?

>>45834344
it depends on the battery life, generally if you purchase on on ebay it will have very poor battery life and you'd have to buy a new one

>>45824909
>tomorrow i'm buying a t420 :3
>1600x900, 8gb ram, 319€
>
>I'm so happy /tpg/
OMG GUYS I GOT IT!

I got it for 280€ because they forgot to charge me 40€ extra for the upgrade to 8gb ram!

aww yisss this is awesome :3

>>45835489
just bought that same thing in the states for 250

my x201 is broken. How do I go about getting a new AFFS screen?

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>tfw waiting for the tracking info for the t420 I ordered

I got around 1000$ (800 euro), what LEnovo would you guys recommend? Probably going to buy it new from the website.

>>45833800
I would.

>>45836983
Download service manual, remove screen, look for that part number.

>>45835489
Where did you buy it

>>45837723
found that an ebay shop I was monitoring was in my town, so I went there in person.

>>45837765
Noice! I going to start hunting for one in Germany next month

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can i use "pink" alcohol on a cloth to clean my keyboard and palmrest?

how do i clean the screen?