Why You Shouldn't Buy Used ThinkPads Edition: http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/faqs/used-laptops/
Buying Guide: http://ktgee.net/thinkpad-guide
People with x200 or similar models, what temps are you getting?
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0: +41.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1: +39.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Adapter: ISA adapter
fan1: 1952 RPM
Battery 1: +35.0°C
Battery 2: +35.0°C
For some reason the temp2 and temp9 are often particularly high, I've heard somewhere that temp2 is north bridge / HDAPS, any tips on how to decrease the temps there? I've had to set thinkfan so that the fan would stay quiet, otherwise it'd be blowing at >3000rpm almost all the time, which is rather audible.
My last motherboard stayed more quiet since the temp2 and temp9 weren't high in particular. Unfortunately it suffered from a broken mpcie port :/
>Buying a used laptop doesn't only cause headaches. It might not even end up being financially feasible. The maintenance and repair costs that may be incurred due to viruses, malware, spyware...can add up quickly.
Looks pretty normal to me. Don't expect laptop temp to disperse/distribute equally.
>tfw a few months ago I sold my T420 for $375
W520 users, temps?$ sensors
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1: +43.0°C (crit = +98.0°C)
Adapter: ISA adapter
Physical id 0: +44.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 0: +43.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1: +44.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 2: +40.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 3: +44.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Adapter: ISA adapter
fan1: 1962 RPM
This is at load avg: 1.45, 1.17, 1.15, under load it gets up to 85.0 C easy.
My thinkpad x200 is running a BIOS from 2009. What would I benefit from the latest BIOS update?
rms-ThinkPad-T410 ~ # uptime
23:08:05 up 53 days, 4:56, 2 users, load average: 0,38, 0,41, 0,38
rms-ThinkPad-T410 ~ # sensors
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1: +53.0°C (crit = +100.0°C)
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0: +43.0°C (high = +95.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 2: +43.0°C (high = +95.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Adapter: ISA adapter
fan1: 3633 RPM
rms-ThinkPad-T410 ~ #
Should I build a new desktop for VGA passthrough to run a Linux host but still be able to play muh gaems OR should I install Windows on my desktop and turn it into basically a game console and buy a thinkpad for my day to day Linux use? I realize responses here might be biased but I feel like VGA passthrough is more work than its worth right now with little guarantee that it is possible on certain hardware even with IOMMU support.
I did exactly what you were talking about, turning my desktop into a game console, use my thinkpad for all manner of web browsing/chatting and desktop just for games. Worked out pretty good so far.
T420 on Wangblows. 80-85C running Prime95.
Does it need thermal paste reapplication? Which paste is güd?
I'll probably grab a T440s then. I don't want to dump a grand on an entirely new build just to wait for VGA passthrough to mature or work on the hardware that I got or with the distro I want to use in their mainline kernel. Not to mention I could use a laptop at the moment.
I don't have a laptop currently but it seems a little warm for me, then again keeping in mind you are running benchmarks then it is probably fairly normal. Applying thermal paste appropriately can't really hurt if you are worried though.
I got a X200 for free, missing an HDD.
I have an HDD but no caddy.
Can I just put the HDD in, shim it with some shit and be home free?
I live in a third world country with shitty customs and no caddies around for sale.
What kind of battery life can I expect from a T410?
How much with power saver settings and low workload?
If I can make it nearly as appealing as the battery life on a X220, I'd pick one up right now.
three hours on a standard battery
six hours on the extended battery
some people swap the CD module for "battery 82" and get about 8 hours total
t410 screen is not great; i use mine to write books but if you think you will use yours to watch media, etc, you might look at other models
Did someone try x200, x201, t410 and similar with windows 10? I'm worried for compatibilities and performance of GPU Intel gma and stuff like that.
Also, is fingerprint a must or deal breaker? I've seen you can use it for boot up with a gesture. But would you buy a thinkpad without it?
Sandy Bridge ThinkPads don't overheat, you're an idiot. From Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge there was a very minimal gain in power efficiency, and power consumption is what mostly dictates heat.
if I were to get into the Thinkpad game and just use it as a travelling computer that can do all the basic shit (light browsing, word processing, some timekiller games), would one of the smaller ones or the touchpad one be ideal? I would be running either Mint or Windows 7 on it.
>computer store 1.5 hours away selling an X230 for $200
>already have a comfy X220t
I want to do it but I have no use for both of these and don't want to bother trying to resell one or the other...
> Same everything
Nah, the T400 performs better, as it uses a later-gen C2D.
Also uses DDR3 RAM which is cheaper and available in bigger sizes.
Up to you. The speakers should be very cheap and very easy to replace, look on ebay and make up your mind.
My 0.02 are on the T400.
With >same everything, I meant same accesories, sorry.
The t400 comes with a p8600 and the t61 comes with a t7100, the difference is really that much? Because speakers are important to me and i can get the replacement for 10 bucks. That comes to a total of 110 bucks for a fully functional t400 and 85 for a t61. Taking into account that i need to buy a 9 cell battery and a SSD, I need to think about the money.
>the difference is really that much?
The GMA X3100 of the T61 is also inferior to the GMA 4500MHD on the T400.
The T400 is also thinner and lighter.
My T61 works fine, but if you're after performance, go for it.
You might also want to check X200 prices.
And T61 with NVIDIA graphics cards are faulty.
I didnt know it was that big of a difference, I guess that settles it, I will pay the extra 25 bucks, I am not after perfomance, laptop will only be used for circuit simulations and watching movies in bed with my GF, I also checked prices for the x200, but here in Mexico there is only one for sell on a bid currently on 85 bucks and it finishes tomorrow (dont have cash atm).
With used Thinkpads, you're always better off waiting for a good deal.
I live in Brazil and after waiting a few weeks I saw a X200T for 100 USD. When the 'normal' price for them here is around 450 USD.
i'm looking at that one too although i'd like a bigger hdd. seems pretty solid but might try to make an offer for 10-20 buckaroos less (taking into account the 15 dollar shipping)
HDD isn't that big a deal to me, I was planning on swapping it out for a spare 500GB hard drive I have laying around.
I think I'll get it, just have to figure out what OS to install.
Charge levels are generally set in some portion of memory, possibly on the battery itself. They're obeyed across different operating systems or off.
You'll also find that the charge thresholds are reset if you remove and reinsert the battery, even just for a few seconds.
Pretty much, but only if it's into an operating system which has the levels applied.
E.g. Set the levels in a windows 7 installation, reboot into something else. Charge levels preserved.
Set the levels in a windows 7 installation, remove and reinsert battery, reboot into something else. Charge levels lost until you reboot into the 7 again.
computer took a shit today so I need a new one, problem is I don't want to spend that much because all I do is:
>coding (uni level stuff)
I was gonna get a T400 b/c there's a cheap one nearby but my brother told me I shouldn't because laptops 3+ years old are obsolete and not worth the money. He's the type of guy who needs the latest and greatest hardware on his comp so I am weary to take his advice. What should I do?
laptop I had in mind....
Yeah, I'll wait a month (till i start my semester), i saw a t61 4gb RAM, 500gb hdd in perfecto condition for 60 bucks, but the dude doesnt answer me, the other dude doesnt look like he is selling them anytime soon, I am checking mercadolivre from here everyday since the start of the week for a deal, my first choice is a x200t too actually.
You could do much better like:
from higher up in the thread. Your listing might be worth it if you appreciate all of the connectivity you'd get from the docks, but you would still get a better deal from eBay. Try talking the guy down if you're up to haggling. And yeah, you really don't need much more than a Core 2 Duo, don't listen to your brother.
upgrading from an X61s. Need something with a great keyboard, a little less warm, and portability, which leads me to learn towards the X series. Have no idea which one is best though, X220, X201, or X230? Anybody with lots of experience in the X series line? Thanks in advance.
Here's the deal. Cheap OEM batteries have likely been sitting on a shelf for a while, so they've since degraded, no longer holding their full charge despite being new.
Chinese batteries usually have a high capacity, but degrade faster because of their cheaper cells. If you want a genuine one buy only from Lenovo. Even sellers who charge full retail occasionally sell old batteries, it's not worth the risk.
What people usually do is buy a chinese battery and a portable fire extinguisher -- still less than a genuine battery.
In order of performance:
The X230 has the chiclet keyboard (which you can replace with an X220 keyboard with some keys not working), 16:9 screen and a touchpad with a clickpad.
The X220 has the 16:9 screen and a touchpad with a clickpad.
The X201 has a 16:10 screen and a touchpad with hardware buttons. You can put a X200 palmrest if you don't like the touchpad.
The X200 has a 16:10 screen and no touchpad.
If gaming, Windows host then Linux and whatever other guests you like. No need for direct hardware access for Linux for your use case and a new desktop will be very nice for virtual machines.
If you have no notebook, Pads with Linux are good stuff.
I run VMs on most of my PCs since it's trivial to install them while doing swhatever else I was doing with the computer.. Windows hosts get Linux guests, and Linux hosts get Windows guests. I treat OS as if they are applications.
Probably Intel graphics power savings, I get it on my Surface and Atom tablets and it's annoying as fuck. Just go into the Intel graphics settings panel and disable the Display power saving technology thing.
Waiting for a T500, prices in europe are horribly inflated but it's still a better deal than buying a new low-end laptop. I'll put a 120GB 840 in there and am hoping for a decent experience under Windows 7 (with 4GB of RAM). Mostly office stuff and whatnot. Opinions on the T500 in (nearly) 2015?
Nice, I still feel like I'm overpaying for it (200€) but it's still better than any of the "new" models with a shitty keyboard and a 1366x768 screen. I just hope that I'm not getting dicked over by the ebay-seller, he had 100% good ratings (with several thousand purchases) and it's an actual shop in germany that gives you 1 year warranty on your purchase. First time buying something through ebay, and I'm nervous as heck....
My thinkpad suffered a fall yesterday, and this morning I woke up to find the screen like pic related.
I checked the contacts, and they seemed fine, so it's probably the IPS panel that's fucked.
Is there anything I can do about it or is the screen fucked for good. I don't have much money to get a replacement screen with ;_;
If there's nothing I can do, does anyone know of a good place (other then ebay) to get a good IPS replacement panel?
You will hate the click pad on any *40 product.
Chinkpad t440s reported in.
By far the best laptop I used. Love the 1080p ips screen.
I find used harddrives are expensive online, but you're looking at $23 and up for a drive that size.
I think I paid $17.50 for 160GB hard drive, but I bought 10 for $175, talked the seller down from $220 on eBay.
>dem best offerz
It is nothing specific, just in general compared to friends 3rd gen sony vaio running windows. Thanks for trying to help but is there no honestly thinkpad with 3/4gen i5 and a good screen? 1366x768 really triggers me
When was the last time you reinstalled the OS? Are you using Windows 7 and was his machine running Windows 8?
You should not be able to notice the difference between the two just through casual usage... There should be 0 differences.
I've had a Edge 330 now for almost one and a half years. I'm happier than I have ever been with my laptop. I know its pleb tier by /g/ standards, but I was wondering, have any of you had experiences with the Edge series?
tomorrow i'm buying a t420 :3
1600x900, 8gb ram, 319€
I'm so happy /tpg/
I've accidentally lost my x220 which I've been used for the last 2.5 years. So now there is a dilemma - look for another x220 which could be a used one, or pick up some alternate one.
There are could of killer-features why I love this model to death:
- IPS matrix
- core i7
- adequate keyboard (it's hard to understand how someone could love the keyboard of x230's)
In addition, I must admit that it just feel right when you keep it on your knees. It's an awesome mix of mobility and power. But I'm not feel confident about buying stuff from the ebay since I cannot check the laptop before making a deal, I'm just don't trust these salesmen.
On the other hand, there should be some other mobile laptops that people are using in the trip, which could be comfortable as the x200 series. Could you please point me on the alternatives, what I should check?
What would you do in situation like this?
I'm looking to buy a replacement screen for my X220. There's two relevant listings on Amazon (eBay is 2slow, plus customs and duties).
One is for the X220 4287-2VU, and is $73, while the other is for the X220 4286-CTO (the model I have) and is $85.
Can I buy the cheaper IPS screen and still install it without problems, or do I have to spend the extra bux to make sure it works?
I have an x230, love it. Including the keyboard.
It took a bit to get used to it after the x220 and the x201 before.
I do get that some keys are not where you wished they where, but you get used to it.
As for the on press resistance and stuffs,... no issues here.
Made me get the "Desktop" version (compact usb with trackpoint) and ... well that thing may look the same, but it doesnt feel quite right in comparison.
Its make doesnt feel less robust than the previous models (and i dropped all three of them)
Do i think the "extra" you get is worth it?
like the extra battery life?
like the extra cpupower?
or like the extra graphics power?
As for me, i just wanted one that i could stock up on from storebought parts, and i do believe that as far as desktop computing is concerned, the i5 models are as good as i can score in the next 5-8 years
=> its not about budget in my case, I dont see that much more expansion in my computing needs. (been running a minimal linux install for years, switching over to netbsd right now)
Just bought 2 more i5 models. Ram upgrades from the "refurbished/restored" ones from 4g to 8g are cheap if you dont need more. Upgrade to 16g is possible and
Happy with the dispay as well, a friend of mine is going to try to retrofit the display of the 240 into it, if that goes well, i may actually order some new panels.
Right now the 44++ batteries (9 cell) are still going for reasonable prices (new).. got myself a few spare ones.
been considering the "slice" battery (19+ i think they are called), could be worth it, but dunno.
hope that helps
Holy shit so much bs in a single page. Im so glad I got my used T520 a year and half ago, not only was it in pristine condition but the prices actually went up where I live.
Right now i can pick em up around 450-600 (cleaned and checked) with various vendors.
If you dont need it, get one that has the 3320 (no vpro and stuffs if i remember right), makes them a bit cheaper, stop caring what hd is in it (who cares) if you go with the x230's i recommend you pick up an 840 or 850 pro from samsung. (i use the 128g ones).
Usually the one with the ericson modem are cheaper than the ones with other options. Cheapest ones are without wwan.
the ericson one works marvelous in europe.
(on linux its easy to get up and running).
Cheaper models also come without bluetooth.
Whats worth it is getting one without the wwan and getting one as a seperate part for an upgrade if you need it (check that its upgradable), but getting one without bt and upgrading because of that, is almost never worth it.
Oh yeah, and make sure the supervisior password thing is not set and the "trace" function is off. because... there are some stolen ones floating around
>Why You Shouldn't Buy Used ThinkPads Edition: http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/faqs/used-laptops/
this article looks like it was written for tech illiterates.
>watch out! you might have a virus before you know it!
I think they are talking about human viruses. Given how many NEET neckbeards use thinkpads i would be cautious of purchasing one. I rather buy a refurbished model than buying a used one from some neckbeard that faps to loli threads and maybe some illegal content.
No. There is zero quality control when you buy a used computer. This advice is for people who do not know how to install an OS which is 80% of the population. If you know how to install and configure your OS, then this advice is not for you.
Have you ever bought refurbished?
They do more than just fix whatever problem it may or may not of had. They clean the shit out of them to basically a new condition. When I bought mine it came with protective plastic all over it. I would say thats better than buying a used thinkpad stained with dorito fingers and crusty cum in between the keyboard. On lenovos website they sell them as either refurbished or open box.
I feel like you're trying to justify overspending on a "refurbished" machine.
>They clean the shit out of them
No, they don't. They may wipe down the surface but that's it. If the previous owner treats it well and keeps it clean, then you'll get a clean, used, machine.
I like how you dont answer my question.
Have you ever bought a refurbished thinkpad?
Most of them arent even used. Just returned models and yes they do clean the shit out of them. Refurbished models arent even that much more expensive. Maybe $50 more and you get a 1 year warranty with that.
I've bought a refurbished dock, it was kind of beat up but it worked fine. Also bought a refurbished Dell monitor (from Dell, not Lenovo, obviously), which was also kind of beat up and panel was dirty.
I've bought two ThinkPads off of craigslist and a monitor. One ThinkPad was in perfect condition, the keyboard showed no wear (and still doesn't). Second ThinkPad had a cracked palm rest and the keyboard showed some wear and the display was broken, which I got fixed under warranty and they kindly replaced the palm rest too. The monitor was also in perfect condition and the guy still had the original box for it.
Also to note, I did cum on it after I bought to establish dominance, just in case the previous owner jizzed on it first.
>Why You Shouldn't Buy Used ThinkPads Edition: http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/faqs/used-laptops/
Imagine that, a computer manufacturer doesn't want you to buy a used computer. Can't imagine why.
Basically that used models are better because they are still working and have never needed any repairs and refurbished models are inferior because they may have had an issue at one point.
Sounds to me like youre trying to justify getting swindled by purchasing used products. It seems like you didnt buy refurbished and instead bought "scratch and dent" products which is different than buying refurbished.
>i7 (2nd gen ?)
>1GB nvidia card (I thought these only came with integrated graphics)
Guy's asking 450€ for it, negotiable. How much is it worth? Bear in mind that prices here are much higher than in the US
I wait for good deals to pop up before buying my used products. I don't see how I can be getting swindled when I can turn around and sell it on Ebay for more as "seller refurbished". Not to mention both of the ``used" ThinkPads I bought were both still under factory warranty. While refurbished junk from Lenovo only gets a 1 year limited warranty.
No, they were certainly "certified refurbished items", but I don't care because I don't see the dock, it's under the laptop. The monitor I cleaned myself and got rid of the base for a VESA stand anyways, probably could have gotten it cheaper if I looked around more on the used market though.
>justifying this hard
All lenovo laptops new or refurbished come with 1 year warranty unless you purchase extended warranty. While you were lucky that the ones you purchased were still under warranty its not the case for every used thinkpad. But every refurbished thinkpad sold by lenovo does come with the 1 year warranty which can also be extended if youre dumb enough to give the jews more sheckels.
Whats a good deal to you? 99% off you fucking jew?
>muh 6 million
Go back to /mlp/ and submit more of your gay pony drawings you faggot.
not whoever youre talking about but...
i repaired consumer electronics for 7 years and refurb techs were the shittier techs and repair techs sucked in general
by far the worse shit to repair was refurb stuff or something previously repaired by a shit tech, which was 90% of techs
with refurb, expect missing and loose screws, horrendous solder jobs, random connectors not plugged in, etc
so point is, unless you get something refurbed by one of the 10% who actually do good work...
used > refurb
X220t and I think the X220 both use a solid plastic trackpad, since the trackpads are different from the T and W-series trackpads, unlike previous generations.
I did take it off of my T420.
My screen for my T400 is unusable, the backlighting is completely gone so I can't see anything but blackness, unless I look for a long time I can see the actual content on the screen.
It works when I attach a second monitor to it and can see fine, so I was thinking of using it as a pseudo desktop with just the base.
How do I take out the screen completely like that one dude?
A new screen is about $30-40, and replacing it takes about the same amount of effort as removing the screen.
Lots of people remove screens to use an external monitor. I did with an R60 as they aren't worth fixing unless the parts are free. Just get a good 00 Phillips screwdriver if you don't already have one and follow the manual. It's good practice and you can stash the dead display in case another Pad with a good display comes your way.
Everyone should have at least one Wiha:
Are the x131e's shit? I'm probably going to leave chromeos or install debian, I really only intend on using it for notes and papers. 2x1.5 seems enough for that, is there something shit about them I'm not noticing?
some "refurbished" don't have anything wrong with them. when (some) large businesses replace laptops and computers, they do so with all at once. most refurbished laptops on newegg came from businesses.
The X220 only had one option of screen. Just go with the cheaper one. You might want to check the manufacturing date though because newer ones have fixed the image persistence issue that plagued early production units, if you are particular with that sort of thing. I have an early production X220 (June 2011) and the image persistence problem isn't such of a big deal. It's still a beautiful IPS screen but the screen develops weird bright spots over time, which is arguably a bigger issue.
8 is pushing it, probably with low brightness, WiFi off and some bs running program for it for that claim.
I got ~5 hours with 4channing, M$ word 2010, YouTube n some di.fm mixed in. I highly doubt the Intel CPU is that great, I didn't get the battery specs on it, so maybe it was at 78% of its original threshold. Then yes it would be correct.
I didn't mind that laptop, typing was nice, palmrest was a bit awkward, the screen was one of the worst I've seen, but bearable under full brightness.
Some people have varying amounts of autism.
>muh viewing angles bcuz im too beta to look at the screen straight
and plenty of other autisms. If you have never been bothered by some of these things than you likely arent autistic.
Eh, once you go IPS and HD+ its hard to go back.
Screens alright imo, its not that big of a deal but if its not flat give or take 10 degrees , you'll see dark/brightness screen. It makes a great travel laptop, the bumper lid is kinda awesome.
Its not glossy which is good, for it being a HD screen that is 11" its alright, better than the X220.
My brother has an X220 he wants to sell me for a hundred bucks its in great shape and has the dock with it.
He got it from some auction and its brand new in the box still. Should I get it from him?
The caddy is for extracting the hard drive and the rubber rails are to keep it from wobbling to protect the drive and the connectors.
Nothing to do with fitment. As long as it is a standard 2.5" drive, then it'll fit...
Also, can I still use the numpad on the keyboard?
I can confirm this.
I didn't get a ThinkPad though, I got an HP Elitebook 8460p.
It was 'manufacturer refurbished', and the palmrest and back cover were bent, some of the keys didn't work, and the Windows OS wasn't even genuine.
Being refurbished doesn't mean shit.
IDK i always used the default power manager in linux mint since I always got better battery stock in mint than with the lenovo power manager set to the super power saving mode (4 hours in windows, 5-7 hours in linux)
damn, will having the dock attached use a noticeable amount of power? I hate thin laptops
I'm looking for a new laptop for my mother, now she has an Amilo Pa 2510, which is falling apart and slowly dying, overheating, hdd problems, and one hinge is cracked, so it's sitting stationary on a desk (2gb, amd dual).She just uses it for facebook, chatting and reading stuff. Since I bought t410 this summer, I think a thinkpad would be perfect for her needs and abilities to break computers.
Also, another friend of her wants some second hand laptop for the same needs. I found two t61's for ~180 euros both (90eu/piece). There are identical C2D, 100gb hdd, 2gb ddr. Should I ?
>tomorrow i'm buying a t420 :3
>1600x900, 8gb ram, 319€
>I'm so happy /tpg/
OMG GUYS I GOT IT!
I got it for 280€ because they forgot to charge me 40€ extra for the upgrade to 8gb ram!
aww yisss this is awesome :3
>tfw waiting for the tracking info for the t420 I ordered
can i use "pink" alcohol on a cloth to clean my keyboard and palmrest?
how do i clean the screen?