Old thread: >>45573439
Buying Guide: http://ktgee.net/post/49423737148/thinkpad-guide
Arguably there's nothing wrong with the chiclet design as it still provides a nice typing feel. I'm going to say that most people on /g/ can type on their keyboard without looking at it so why would the key appearance bother you?
The real problem is the keyboard layout which has been utterly fucked from the Sandy Bridge (e.g. T420) models.
The removal of the trackpoint buttons is a step back in usability. The clickpad takes a stupid amount of force to activate and it's really quite fatiguing to use, not to mention the loud noise.
Removing the status LEDs was a step back as well, how can I see if my disk is just being thrashed vs. a complete lock up.
The lack of inner metal rollcage is also a step back for durability, along with the use of soldered RAM in certain ThinkPads when Dell and HP are shipping equivalent models with 2 RAM slots.
Source: I had to use a T440p for a while
Even with the new W541/W550s Lenovo fail to recognise the clusterfuck they've created.
Is this a good ram for my x200t?
It's my first time upgrading a laptop and I'm afraid it's not compatible
(page is in Polish, sorry for that)
>tfw you will never have a titanium thinkpad z61m
Threadly reminder that if something isn't working that you think should be (wifi, bluetooth, etc) download the Thinkvantage Updater and run it. It's Lenovo's own update system. This will give you the power manager as well.
Is there any thinkpad I can buy new aproved by /g/?
I want something lighter than what I use now (5.7 lbs) and with at least 6 hours of battery life and a gpu able to play cs go at more than 60fps. Touch screen is nice too.
I might do some shitty models in blender too.
While touch screen is bad for the reflective screen but I feel that going foward is a really good input method.
Why specifically /g/ hates the new thinkpads? is the keyboard?
Shitty keyboard layout is but one of the many flaws that earn the derision among the ThinkPad community
New ThinkPads are derisively nicknamed ChinkPads after Lenovo, a chinese company, fucked their once great design up in attempt to market to the crApple crowd, with new designs resembling macbooks more than the professional, hardy machines we knew.
The clickpad on some models is hated by many because it's big and integrates the trackpoint buttons into itself, resulting in many users accidentally right-clicking instead of middle clicking. Its huge area also meant that people using the trackpoint have to arch their hand and strain their wrist to avoid contacting the trackpad portion, and that is a massive ergonomical failure.
Many Chinkpads also lack the roll cage and strong hinges of their predecessors. This may seem irrelevant to users who don't regularly drop their laptops, but when it does happen you'd regret it, especially when classic ThinkPads wouldn't have this problem.
The keyboard layout is often criticized for rearranging or removing several keys like the function key or F1-F12, which definitely does make it harder to work with if these keys are used regularly. Of course this is not an issue with the regular consumer, but to those who actually make use of these keys, it's an avoidable handicap for the sake of aesthetics.
Chiclet keys are hit or miss compared to using an external mech board or classic scissor switch; you either love it or hate it.
On a personal note, I don't like touch screens because they do not have the tactile feedback which you would have using a mouse or keyboard. Newer Thinkpad X-series tablets (X220/X230) have edge detection problems and poor resolutions as well.
tl;dr chinkpads sacrifice durability and some degree of usability for aesthetics
Aluminium body + magnesium rollcage. No flex in the chassis or display. It's heavy as fuck though.
4 total RAM slots, 2 under the back panel (which is removed via 2 screws) + 2 under the keyboard.
Hard drive has a eject mechanism, easy to remove as well. You could put 3 storage devices in it, (HDD, HDD in optical bay + mSATA).
These are scissor switches?
Only the key cap design has changed along with the layout?
Chiclet scissor switch aren't too different from regular scissor switches, but those without scissor switches are said to be more squishy and uncomfortable to type on.
However the focus lies upon the changed layout which is a massive bane to the userbase
yes. Be aware there are two different makes of keyboards (Chicony and NMB)
I tried the keyboard of an old dell latitude today (don't know model, it was running windows 98, to give you an idea of its age) and it was like sex for my fingers... I've never typed on something so nice. Is the keyboard similar on the thinkpads like the t420 or do i need an older one for that?
Any ThinkPad T/X/W series with designation *30 or *40 (e.g. T430, X230) have chiclet keyboards like in >>45589888
Older Thinkpads have keyboards like >>45590399 which should be similar to old business class laptops like Latitudes
>lowered maximum price on a snipe for a X220
>lose the auction
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT I SHOULD HAVE KEPT THE ORIGINAL SNIPE FUCK MY LIFE
It was a pretty good machine, had warranty, 80GB SSD and a 9 cell.
Pay what you are comfortable with and consider the market price.
Alright lads since I lost the X220, X201 for £110 or not?
I'm struggling to find a X201 in the UK for the same price in good condition.
I saw some buy it now machines for £150 yesterday, I think it's a better idea to wait for them to appear again as 30 quid more buys me a much better machine.
Use a snipe service because eBay bumps items up in searches when they receive attention like watches or bids.
Thinkpads with fan errors are cheap to fix if you don't mind taking the whole thing apart.
how hard would it be to REPLACE?
The one that comes with x200 tablet. Isn't it called wacom pen?
I heard some rumors that ubuntu 14.10 has some problems with touch screens and tablets but I was hoping someone here has found a fix for that
You know the limitations right?
Finding a working A31p is hard as hell, u spent about $50 getting one that was missing a hard drive and needed ram/WiFi.
I Linux mint on that thing. It streamed music pretty loud, seriously, it has like the best speakers out of all the ThinkPads.
Same goes with ram speeds as well, it shouldn't matter, I'll use a samshit with crucial it PNY.
I'll make a video for next week for u. :3
My w510 with an i7 is still crazy good for the price I paid. Just bought a i5 x220t for about the same price to have something smaller and see if the IPS screen is better to look at even if it's lower resolution.
There's plenty of newer options in the 200-300 dollar range if you wait and look around
Which model should I look for if all I want/need out of my laptop is the ability to browse, run some lightweight programs and maybe play some dcss. Also if anyone could explain how this new captcha works that would be awesome
>clit-point middle click somehow suffered an unexplainable fracture on the left piece thing
>now it's loose and all wonky
Because there's no way a machine several years newer than mine can't handle firefox with one tab while I can do ~ anything I want on my X61T (including that).
"It's the only thing using CPU": yeah. I doubt that very much.
The middle-click has these two pieces that old it into place on the keyboard. One of those pieces broke off on my middle-click for no reason, and the other piece is hanging on for dear life.
I guess I rubbed the clit into destruction..
>/g/ is responsible for my ineptitude at buying the right tool for my use case
So, I've got a X200 Thinkpad. Great machine, works really nice in almost every aspect - however, I can't enable internal wi-fi.
I've tried anything I may come up with - installed all and any drivers of course, tried multiple Linux distributions and Windows versions, Installed BIOS hack to enable unsupported wifi modules - and tried those in the machine - but absolutely to no avail.
And since there's 3 pcie slots - 2 full size and 1 half size, I've tried them all, but still, nothing. I'm entirely unable to use internal wi-fi at all, so I'm stuck using USB wifi which overheats and drains the battery faster, or then I'm using ethernet but that kills the idea of a mobile computer.
Network management applet on Linux says "wireless disabled by a hardware switch, but it sure as hell isn't, and even if it was, it would shut off the bluetooth as well, but bluetooth works just fine.
Anyone else ever had this problem? I'm at a loss, I can't think of anything anymore. Device manager / lspci recognizes the card just fine, but it just won't work. Incredibly frustrating.
>Network management applet on Linux says "wireless disabled by a hardware switch, but it sure as hell isn't
If I may ask... how do you know that it isn't? Perhaps the radio kill switch is not working properly.
Would there be any reason for me to upgrade the 2,26ghz cpu mobo in my X200 with a 2,40 GHz cpu mobo? Also, would the one with higher maximum frequency generate more heat at all times?
Ones here that own x200, have you experienced coil whine emitting when lowering screen darkness? There is absolutel no coil whine when i'm using maximum brightness, but i get annoying coil whine right when i lower the brightness at all. I've tried different inverter boards and even changed the display but no help. Is the problem with my mobo, or is this an universal problem?
What is the brand/model of the wifi card?
Lenovo whitelists wifi cards at the BIOS level. If your wifi card is not an Intel card with Lenovo branding on it, it probably won't work.
are there any new laptops that aren't fucking horrible? it seems all manufacturers just shit out junk
>Definitely don't pay big money for them.
Didn't they just announce the w541 and the w550s a couple days ago?
+physical buttons for the trackpad again
+3k screen options
Wondering what the w550 will look like. Definitely going to be looking to upgrade to something like that in three years when they're cheap.
The market will fix it right? Someone will recognise the need for a hard wearing, dependable and practical laptop and will step in to fill the void left behind by lenovo.
I mean all they'd have to do is look at what made the older models so great, replicate it to an equivalent standard and then release them and word would quickly spread.
Alright so whilst dicking around with my x220 trying to fit a nice little msata ssd I managed to snap my caps lock key off of the keyboard.
As far as I can tell the key has lost maybe one little plastic nub off of one of its clasps. This means that it attaches and pops back into place and stays there but if I catch it or knock it in any way it's liable to detach again.
Do you think I should super glue it into place?
Are thenkpods for me?
I want to watch Japanese cartoons at 1200x800 or more; on a laptop with loud stereo speakers and an optical drive.
Is this the right place; or should I move on?
(Tablet thinkpads are fine)
Do I ned to install hd screens?
Thanks, but isn't the t61p a troll thinkpad?
Most T420 comes with optical bay drive
Priority specs: resolution>CPU>GPU
Difference between i5 and i7 is miniscule. nVIDIA is better than Intel but still not worth it if you'll have to pay extra.
I've been on /g/ for longer then I'd care to admit; and when I first came here, there was a lot of hype for the t61(p).
I can tell you from experience that any specific device hyped by /g/ is best left ignored.
The t61 looks nice; however it doesn't look... like an IBM thinkpad.
I got myself a really pretty x61 some time ago.
It's very basic though, I put some extra ram on it and the only thing missing now is a new battery and a wifi-card, the wifi is the only thing keeping me from using it more often (since the shitty usb dongle loses connection a lot).
Should I buy one of the internal wifi cards that can go with the x61, which are a bit slow I think, or should I got with a better usb one?
Could anyone recommend any? I had a lot of trouble with the driver of the current one.
What's wrong with Moto G and Sansa Clips?
T61's are good but they are now outdated IMO, but they were hyped for good reason 2+ years ago.
Arch is not hyped by /g/, what are you talking about? Just go look at desktop threads, there is a pretty small minority that uses Arch.
Headphone General is just a retarded circlejerk (as all Generals, typically), but the suggested headphone guides are good for the most part.
I'm not going to argue with you, unless you accompany your posts of pictures of lewd cartoons.
The T61 is disgusting. What else could I look I into?
buyer's guide is literally the OP
learn to read
Maybe I could find better with Dell? At least they realise people need optical drives on portable laptops.
>inb4 hurr durr >2014 >still using necessary equipment
You don't like 'em, 'cause you ain't got 'em.
Read it already.
Cheap latitudes have veiled and tinny speakers and low res screens.
This is why I cannot be happy.
I have mentioned portability many times, anon. Reading comprehension.
>ask for recommendation
>don't like any of them
>don't like ThinkPad in general
>still post in /tpg/
>ask for Dell recommendation
>don't like Dells
I think a Mac will suit you perfectly!
Search multiple models you're interested in on ebay with something like "x200 -parts" so you don't get broken machines. Sort by "price + postage: lowest first", follow the searches and check your emails every morning.
Search your local craigs lists occasionally every few days for the same models.
It's tough to get a good machine for under 100, but not impossible, just have to be proactive when searching for good deals.
So you want a tiny laptop with an optical drive?
That's unrealistic. There are other things that have to go into the laptop, like the motherboard and hard drive and shit. You need space for that.
Quit being retarded.
Also, 14" laptops are plenty portable.
>12" PowerBook G4, iBook 12"
He said he wants something portable. Both of those weigh more than 14" ThinkPads.
The 12" EliteBooks are SHIT. I've owned a few EliteBooks and the 12" models are absolutely terrible. I have two 8730w (17" Core 2 Duo) sitting next to me right now even.
>SD Card reader
Oh my god; it's perfect-
>veiled and tinny speakers
Where do you expect me to go?
I guess I could...
I'm sold on the x300. I don't understand why no one suggested this earlier.
just buy a T420 you fuck
you can grab an i5 sandyprivledged fast as fuck with 8gb ram and genuine fresh win7x64 pro key from arrow direct for 200$
add 10$ for 2nd hdd/ssd caddy
throw that used 380gb drive in optical bay
buy new 240gb crucial ssd for 80$ notax
jesus christ why are you such a little bitch
I got myself a Thinkpad X41 Tablet with SSD for $50, along with the dock/port replicator/thing for another $10. D-Did I do good /g/?
I think the RAM is maxed out too, if it only takes 2 GB
should have used the money for a new camera
the sticker is from me
where do you find t420's for 150? i've searched ebay and lowest i ever found were in the 200-300 range.
looking for a t410 myself, probably going to settle for a $200 buy it now because i don't have time or patience for auctions
Hey thinkshills, how's everyone doing? Check out the new background on my X220, pic related. Need to change some spacing because I didn't initially make it to be a wallpaper for this resolution
Used it briefly on my X200s. It seemed fine, I didn't use any of the Lenovo drivers. I stopped using it because it bugged out a lot.
That's really not a bad deal. Good prices I'd say. Sure it's a slow machine by todays standards but you could still use it for plenty, and having a wacom digitizer is always nice.
So I've bought 2 t400's a t60 and a x60t and one t400 came with the fan just denigrated upon arrival even though it is guaranteed to work and has a 30 day warranty and the x60t fan sounded like a chainsaw then died. Both sellers had 99.8+ ratings on ebay. What gives do I just have bad luck or should buy fans/heatsinks when I buy a thinkpad?
Yea the x60t froze up and I tried to lube it up but the seller ended up replacing it for me. The picture is of the t400 I just got in today. Hopefully the seller sends me a new fan for it because I was planning on giving this one as a gift for Christmas. Sorry phone quality.
Damn. I mean, on one hand fans are moving parts that you expect to wear out over time but that's a bit beyond simply worn-out, you know? I'm sure the seller will take care of it.
Yea I mean the seller rating is high so I'm assuming this happened during shipping but it was packaged well so I have no idea how a fan could get wrecked like this. Though I have my suspicions FedEx man do I dislike FedEx.