>Using antivirus is for computer illiterate people. The chances of getting a virus while you know your way on the web are not worth the cpu usage of a antivirus.
Wrong, exploit-based web-based worms like Sasser will infect a computer even if a user is smart enough to not to run infected executables.
CPU footprint of modern antiviruses is slight.
>Not worth the cpu usage
>Not being able to go to random ass porn sites
>Being this poor
You should be spending all you effort on getting a job to replace that shitty 10 year old thinkpad you use 24 hours a day
I have one installed and all it warns me about is when I download cracks for vidya. I mean really those are the only notifications so either I'm going something good or the antivirus just sucks ass. And I've tried tons of them
Back in the WinXP days, when I used to find and screw around with exploits, if you didn't have any form of security, you would never know what hit you. A lot of exploits were undetectable for a long time, too. Fun times.
would be true if only flash and java weren't so badly secured.
even amazon's adds can be a way in for malwares.
addblockers limits the risks but can't eliminate it and they might become illegal and not easy to find soon (UE is working on it)
btw, since I stopped using opera I never get real trouble
btw, windows defender is good enough and it's cpu usage is really low
btw, I got a virus on a mac 3 month ago
btw, acording to the latest studies 58% of android devices are contaminated, 34% of them are supposedly protected by an antivirus
Most modern is have av built in and they run silently in the background. Mse has come pre-installed since windows 7 but m$ doesn't bother telling everyone not to waste their money so they don't get railed for being anti competitive. Discuss
10 years of computer using only Common Sense without a single infection.
A hardware firewall and not being retarded is far better than some bullshit antivirus software. CPU footprint is the least of the problems.
My clients computers are setup with windows 7, firefox, ABP and NSS with scripts globally allowed.
DNS is set to my dns-server which is running a filter from here http://malware-domains.com/files/domains.zip along with some other filters.
This has actually proved to be better than any antivirus we've tried.
>10 years of computer using only Common Sense without a single infection.
Consider yourself lucky.
>A hardware firewall and not being retarded is far better than some bullshit antivirus software.
That's why you don't run "bullshit" antivirus software, and use it as a piece that accompanies your firewall and intelligence.
0-days will probably exist even in updated software, thats why they are 0-days... Firewalls are easily exploitable, they dont do shit against ZeuS, Cutwail and others, and if the system is backdoored I´d better not talk...
This is a good reply, this video is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QT4YJn7oVI
Another thing that "CommonSense" retards dont know what a binder or a binder+crypter is. You can even bind spyware on top of a jpeg, so when you open the image the spyware loads at the same time, will CommonSense work in that case for you fags???? (there are some very small bots out there like uBot or Torpig). Commonsense fags, what about malicious pdfs?
Also, OS X and Linux arent malware-proof, here is one of the most recent ones: http://www.thesafemac.com/iworm-method-of-infection-found/
>0-days will probably exist even in updated software, thats why they are 0-days... Firewalls are easily exploitable, they dont do shit against ZeuS, Cutwail and others, and if the system is backdoored I´d better not talk...
Even anti-virus can't protect you from 0days
>Many webpages comes with ads.
>You can choose not to have ads to make them lighter
>doing so may become illegal.
How are they going to enforce this? My dns-cache may be poisoned to redirect all known ad-domains to localhost.
Also, the message sounds like this to me:
>Many cars comes with backseats.
>You can choose not to have backseats to make them lighter
>doing so may become illegal.
They can detect binded shit and even some crypted one, that actually helps.
Against 0-days they cant do shit.
They can help you against some browser malware too with url checks, like what ABP with malwarelists work
>Even anti-virus can't protect you from 0days
Antiviruses with behavior-based detection mechanisms can.
Have there actually been a single virus that uses AV as an attack surface, I'm interested in this.
That's right in my experience. Even though Windows hasn't been my main OS for 2 years, I didn't get a virus infection or detection in 6 years.
I still run MSE on Windows because my 3770 doesn't give a fuck.
I believe that Common Sense and Adblockers are the most effective anti virus software there is.
Antivirus supposedly prevents viruses from coming in.
Malware removal tools supposedly removes them when they are already in.
Antivirus = condoms
Malware removal tools = morning-after pill
>would be true if only flash and java weren't so badly secured.
Several exploits in the past allowed me to retrieve valuable registry information. This didn't require flash or java. All the user needed to do was successfully load a simple PHP script/page.
An assumption of the fact that Linux can't get malware is wrong, pic related.
Being militant about operating systems is a joy for children, by the way.
Antivirus primarily aims at preventing an infection, malware removers aim at removing already present malware on the system. If you're paranoid then you're better off running an antivirus, there is little reason to run malware removers on a clean machine.
>are not worth the cpu usage of a antivirus.
Oh god, you're right. MSE is such a hog. My fucking i7 4970K is just straining under the load of the lightest AV software out there. I bet I could decrease my render times and improve my VM performance by 1000% if I just uninstalled MSE.
Thanks so much, OP. By the way, this is 1997, right?
>Any lightweight free AV's out there?
In "Test" field, choose "Performance Test", then in the field "Sort" pick "Value" and decide yourself.
>Mfw I'm currently using the free version of Avast, having just uninstalled norton internet security
I can't help suspect that a lot of the people claiming to not have viruses actually do have viruses. A lot of viruses are hidden and won't actually show themselves in the form of "the pc is acting weird".
I had a friend who boldly claimed he didnt have any viruses, so i asked him how do you know and installed an antivirus on his comp. His computer was riddled by viruses.
Supposedly according to "the experts" even 1 antivir program isnt enough, because none of them cover all the different viruses out there and is unable to detect them with heuristics. In reality windows have failed the security game and everyone now needs to use linux to feel somewhat safe.
B-but what about if someone jacks their flash drive into muh PC when I ain't looking? is MBAM enough? also I sure hope my CS 2010 don't need upgradin'
>>implying those arent windows viruses
Examples of Linux malware include Snakso, Nuxbee, PiLoT, Wit, Winux, Kagob, Coin and much, much more.
>face it, if you care about security, you dont use Windows.
>constantly go on weird websites
>nothing have happened
I do a malware check every once in a while but nothing ever comes up.
The only time I've gotten a virus in the last 5 years was when I accidentally downloaded a game from TPB without reading the comments.
>In reality windows have failed the security game and everyone now needs to use linux to feel somewhat safe.
Are you being serious?
Windows is less secure than Linux, that's true, but it is not completely unsecure. In you want security and nothing else then the only viable option is OpenBSD, not Linux.
Obviously. I mean. I'm not really all that bothered by all the data gathering that goes on(you know, beyond holding a bit of a grudge I still use stuff like google after all), but I've always been curious about it.
Seconding this question for firewalls. I use Comodo because it can be configured to ask if i want to allow/block every single connection that a program makes to the internet. Any other firewalls with similar behavior?
I agree with you. I've been visiting the same old major sites for years but one day I got a random virus that randomly appeared in one of my folders and wanted to access the internet. it almost felt like a planned attack or something. my virus scanner didn't even detect it but my firewall blocked it from internet access
it was a small exe file which had one of those cartoon locomotives as icon, fucking weird. uploaded the file to virustotal and a few recognized it. it also had random number sequence as filename. i didn't download any exe file at that time and i don't even use P2P networks or the likes. all i browsed that week was youtube and other pleb shit which is unlikely to have viruses. no porn websites at all so I doubt this was a driveby infection too.
I don't wear a condom ever since getting a Mac. I'll download a free one once in awhile just to check and then delete it. The only time it ever found anything, it was in a Windows 7 virtual machine folder. Also I reckon you don't need a condom if you're running Linux. But if you're running Windows without one, you're dumbfuck retarded.
When you have things as simple as the Magneto exploit against the Tor browser that are able to execute arbitrary malicious code, and XSS attacks abound, it is really hard not to justify the use of at least a simple anti-virus.
nope, you're dumbfuck retarded if you need one for windows. mac and linux are pretty dumb proof though there are viruses.
the fact that you think a virus scanner detecting something which is considered a threat by it is an actual one shows that you're the dumbfuck. so keep using mac
Windows babby detected. Like 95% of malware in the world infects Windows operating systems. All that needs to happen for you to get a virus is for you to be connected to the Internet. I always have AV software on Windows, even in VMs. Because if you don't, you're a fucking dumbass.
I always have antivirus software on my Windows PCs too. in 20 years they didn't detect a single virus, only minor shit like programs that behave like a virus (which I want them to and is neccesary for their function) but actually aren't one. I'm just saying: Just because your AV detected some sort of threat on your VM doesn't mean that it's an actual one.
This is why I browse with NoScript. NoScript without antivirus is more effective than antivirus without NoScript, assuming the user is knowledgeable enough to only white-list what's needed. It's too much hassle for most users.
I consider my friend to be reasonably computer-literate (can program, kinda knows his way around GNU+Linux (and has used it as main OS in the past, but muh games), etcetera) but even like a week ago he got keylogged and had his runescape geepees (yes, runescape) stolen.
It's just an example anon. The fact that he can program also implies that he knows a thing or two about how programs actually work, in contrast to computer-illiterates who think programming is black magic.
I am an avid windows user and i always check with several scanners whenever i download executables or pdfs. I have also been using adblock. I do not seem to have malware but i have a feeling that someone has been monitoring my computer activity. And i know its not the nsa.
You can't be somewhere above computer-literate. You can't be "more than just computer-literate" like you can't be "more than just literate" - you can either write or you can't, you can't be "more than just able to write" (or well, you can, sort of, but then you're still literate - you're still able to write)
>i have a feeling that someone has been monitoring my computer activity. And i know its not the nsa.
This is called paranoia. What gives you that feeling?
Get a firewall if you feel threatened.
Yeah... That's my point.
Computer-literate implies you can use a computer.
Like being able to read makes you literate.
Being able to program is more like being able to write a novel.
They're not the same thing.
You're an idiot. Congrats.
You can be more than literate in the sense that being able to write a novel implies that you are already literate whereas being literate does not imply that you are able to write a novel.
Do you understand the difference now or do you require further spoonfeeding?
Completely incorrect assumption. I've gone to a manufacturer's website to download device drivers from them directly from their own private server, and found a virus in the package I downloaded. Someone had hacked their server and injected a virus. You can be exactly where you're supposed to be doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing in what should be a completely safe environment and still get nailed by something. Not using some sort of antivirus in 2014 is completely irresponsible, you may as well just put your computer and broadband connection up for sale to the highest bidder and sell it to the botnets, at least that wayyou get paid to get fucked in the ass.
But you're saying that if you can write a novel, you're "more than literate". That means you're not literate anymore, but something else now - and that's fucking wrong, because if you can write a novel, you're still literate, just more literate that most people.
If you can program you're still computer literate. In my example it wasn't even important how computer-literate my friend was, just that he was computer-literate (as opposed to computer-illiterate). If you can program you're certainly computer-literate, but being computer-literate doesn't neccesarely mean you can also program.
Just how fucking stupid are you?
I don't think and antivirus would be helpfull at most cases here though. A lot of people would think that the AV is bugging and detecting things that aren't viruses like viruses (ie. cracks for games), and allow the program to run anyway.
>I know that this is a stupid argument, but I wanted to say it anyway.
MBAM proved to be great for me on multiple machines, even operated by tech illiterate people. uBlock with multiple malware lists is also a great tool. Or umatrix/noscript, but it's a bit of a hassle to continually set those up.