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Optical media starts to degrade after about five years. Hard drives fail in five years, ten if you're lucky.

How do I preserve my digital media so that it's not gone in 20-30 years?

All my googling suggests that I'm best off printing off pictures I want to store in the long run and stick them in a cool, dark, dry place.
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>>45441127
Tape
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DVD, tape.
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>>45441160

>DVD

I mean if you're a fan of artifact
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stone tablet. The deeper you carve, the longer it stays.
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>>45441169
Let's be realistic here.
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>>45441127
tape drive or bluray are industry standards. just curious, whats worth keeping for 30 years?
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Tape is the only federally approved answer.
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>>45441235
pics of ur mum
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Serouisly
This is kind of pathetic
not being able to store information for longer then three years
I think it should be mandatory for hard drives to last 50 years
By law
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>>45441235

You don't have anything you want to show your grandkids?
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>>45441264
not really, however, i still have my digital photos from the 90's and 2000's. i just set up rsync in crontab -e a decade ago and became anal about backups.
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What's wrong with just replacing drives every 5 years?
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>>45441127
>harddrives fail in 5 years
>just found a box of my harddrives from 1996-2005

almost all worked
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>>45441425
Replacing them
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I'm sure SSDs are gonna have a realistic shelf life of at least 15-20 years.
Just wait for them to get sufficiently cheap.
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>>45441127
Your body degrades completely in sixty years. I suggest you start figuring how to preserve your body first before worrying about your porn.
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>>45441693
... and we have an immortality/world-domination villain-wannabe!
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Old media (fucking paper) is my preferred for a lot of things. Digital for backup. I think most people save too much. Hundreds and thousands of pictures of old girlfriends, vacations you can't remember, blah blah blah. Maybe I'm just not old enough/too much of a loner to appreciate piles of photos and home movies.

For work I have to think about archiving at least a few (potentially a few dozen) TB of data. The sucky thing about cycling drives is that it's a neverending battle, and a recurring expense. I would do tape if i could afford a reader--to do it now, I'd have to get an archiving service to do it for me, and do my archives all in one big go.
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This has gotten me wondering about cloud storage. Would this work?
>INB4 Botnet
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Hello friends. :^)

>mfw my floppies from 20+ years ago still work fine
>mfw no floppy drive anymore, but copied my original SimFarm disks a few years ago before getting rid of my drive
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>>45441879
It's one strategy. I wouldn't wager my life that whatever cloud service I pick out of a hat will preserve my data for ever and ever, but it could be one hedge against local catastrophe taking out your local storage (flood, housefire, meteor impact).

I mean gmail had to restore a bunch of accounts from a tape backup not too long ago, right?

It's not in any "cloud". Your data is in a data center somewhere. If a meteor hits the data center, you're boned. And if they get bought out by somebody else and the price goes up, well you're just gonna bend over and take it faggot.
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>>45441879
any reputable cloud service will use redundancy and backups so your data is safe, but the cost far outweighs the other options except tape and physical storage

you'll get better cost-efficiency by running HDDs in RAID and replacing them when they fail
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>Hard drives last 5 years

What the fuck do you do to your drives?
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>>45441693
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>>45441986
most likely measurements taken from shitgates or deathstars
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>>45441127
>Optical media starts to degrade after about five years.

Pretty sure I have burned discs going on 10+ years old that still work. If you buy quality media and store them properly I thought optical media was fairly reliable.

I don't know how well it compares to what it claims, and they're expensive per GB compared to conventional optical media, but M-Disc is an optical media designed for archival use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC
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>>45441693
This guy gets it.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/2106260/sony-panasonic-develop-300gb-optical-discs-for-enterprise-storage.html
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Memorex Pro Gold Archival

>24k gold reflective layer provides maximum resistance to aging and chemical breakdown High Performance Dye is extremely stable; ideal for long-term storage Duralayer technology provides a scratch-resistant surface for added longevity and protection Lasts up to 6x longer than standard optical media; CD Archival Life of up to 100 years
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>>45442059
Damn this makes me want to get into signal processing even more
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>>45442012
>>45441986
Point is, even if I have a box with ten hard drives in it, and only one fails after ten years, I've still lost 10% of my data. That might be a small tragedy for someone who hoards tons of home movies and crap, but it's a nightmare for a small business.

A friend of mine who archives data for the film industry is fond of saying "If it doesn't exist three times, it doesn't exist".
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10 drives with no redundancy is dumb.

Tapes are a dying format. They may last a while, but the hardware is expensive (for consumers) and HDDs are far outstripping tapes in size. For the money, you're better off buying several HDDs, cloning them, then updating/replacing them every few years.
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>>45442087
>What is raid
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>>45442060
I have some Kodak gold archival discs from 1998 and they still work perfectly.

But then again all my Apple IIe and Commodore 64 disks from the 80s are fully functional.

If you can keep your shit in a climate controlled place, you're fine.
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>>45442060
>Last 100 years

100 years from now a CD-R drive will be worth thousands of dollars and be in museums. Goodluck offloading that shit
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>>45441183
Toppest kek
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>>45441127
Get Google Drive or any other cloud service. Once a year make a gigantic GPG encrypted backup of your file (use a strong password and hash it or something along those lines). Upload to cloud
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>>45443629
Baby don't hurt me
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>>45443667
Japan will of probably rotated to DVD software by then.
Just teleport there and use their multidrive.
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>>45441127
Upload to the cloud obviously

>but muh google conspiracy

suck it
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>>45441160

Those both suck. You want to etch it into a Ruby Disk to save it over over 40 million years.

For about 20+ years, blueray.
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>>45441451
>just found a box of my harddrives from 1996-2005
Nigga I still have a computer running from like 2006
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Uploading to Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive is your best bet.

In the past I stored stuff on cd's but they all died by now. Hard drives have been more reliable, but they still got errors and died with lots of data randomly.
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>45441127
1x Hyper CD-ROM (Petabyte Optical Disc) is all you need.
>capacity 1 PB up to 100 1 EB
>300 Mbit/s read/writen speeds
>temperature resistance: up to 550°C
>high reliability
>maximum usage period: 5,000 years
Fuck your SSDs and Blu-Gays
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>>45441127
tape
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holes in some durable material
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>>45441127
Tape. I use LTO-3, 800GB tapes cost me ~$10ea
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>>45441966
>in a data center somewhere
you actually believe Google has all your data centralised in 1 place?

Wow.

Fyi, google has your data on multiple points.
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Storage cloud.

Your own, where you know verification of data integrity and replication if necessary is happening.
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>>45441127
>ten if you're lucky
u wot m8? I've had one of my HDDs for 12 years and except for a few bad sectors from having Winblows installed on it, works perfectly fine.
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Optical media lasts a lot longer than it says, so long as it's kept in a cool dark place. I recently pulled a CD out of my wardrobe that was from 2003. It had some pictures and sims mods on it.

Those were the days.
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>>45446982
>bad sectors
>perfectly
Faggot.

Also, anecdotal evidence is pretty useless and most drives die within 5-10 years. You got lucky.
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>>45446994
>some pictures
What sort of porn was this?
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>>45444356
Why not just use an optolythic data rod? Durable, secure, nearly impossible to falsify.
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>>45441146
Tape also starts to degrade after 20 years even in ideal conditions.

If you really want to preserve things, etch the data into noncorrosive metal discs, but the tech to do that AND read it will be expensive.

For everything else, solid state drives. The worst thing that can happen is that the controller fails and needs replacement.
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>>45446444
can't find anywhere to purchase
help
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Stick it on a dvd and do some error correction every 10 years or so.
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>>45441127
Almost all of my audio CD's from the early 90's still work. I have a 640MB hard drive that wont die meanwhile I'm having trouble finding new hard drives that last more than 2 years. Your best bet is to have a backup and promptly replace a drive when it dies.
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>>45441262
> I am offended! We need new laws to keep that from happening!

Ameriburger detected.
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>>45441931
Really? I did an audit of all of my old floppies and almost half of them were corrupt. Some wouldn't even format. If you have single sided discs they're in danger.
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>>45447919
>degrade

even in an air-tight container or bag?
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>>45448047
The whole tape preservation thing goes beyond just air tight containers. For long term storage you need very specific temperatures and humidity, and of course no light or magnetic interference, plus some formats can develop problems with coatings, adhesives and lubricants by themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preservation_of_magnetic_audiotape
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>>45448402
A similar thing goes for floppies by the way since they're based on the same principle in a different format, except they're far less common for archival purposes.
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>tfw had my harddrive for 5 years
hrmph
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tape

it has it's issues but if you store it in a vaccum bag in a gun safe you'll be good to go

the better question is what will you do when you're 97 and your great grandkids dump "all of grandpa's worthless shit"?

better to think about this now than later
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Here is how my shit is done:
Write onto floppies - leave for a couple of years.
then
Copy onto CD - leave for a 5-10 years.
then
Copy onto DVD - leave for a 10-15 years.
then
Copy onto BD - leave for a 15-20 years.

I'm just getting to the BD.
I've not lost a byte. Ever.

Convenient thing is all of my floppy discs fit onto a single CD-R.
All of my CD-Rs fit onto a couple of DVD-Rs.
All of my DVD-Rs will fit on approximately 10 BD.

I can't lose.
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>>45448014

it's usually euros that complain and bitch about things they don't like
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Encrypt pictures with PGP ASCII armor
Print out on high grade paper
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>>45448472
The solution is to have no children.
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>>45448482
>I can't lose.
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>>45443667
>100 years from now a CD-R drive will be worth thousands of dollars and be in museums
Thanks for the inflation, Obama
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>>45441259
u wot m8? il bash yer fokin ed in m8 swer on me nan m8. u wont sum eh
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>>45441127
all you need is redundancy. the cloud can help you out if you don't want to deal with it yourself. there are plenty of places where you can get storage on, even for free, so if one place i shut down you still have the other places + your locally stored data.
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I dug a hole in my back yard & buried my data from all u f*****g hacker/crackers. Good luck getting by my 200 lb. rot. Suck it u bastards!
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>>45448547

>have no children
>when you die an estate company comes in and liqudates/dumps all your stuff

2scary4me
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Do hard drives I'm cold storage go bad if not being used?
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>>45448869
This. It doesn't matter if your hard drive fails in 10 years if you replace them every 6, etc.
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>>45449368
>have children
>when you die your children come in and liquidate/dump all your stuff

What's the difference?
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put it in a bank
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