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>12 Core with 30 mb of L3 Cache
>64GB ECC DDR3 1866MHz RAM
>1TB PCIe Flash Based Storeage
>Dual 6GB RAM Each GPU
>4K Display

Name one reason for not purchasing this Godlike machine.
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I could build one for less; and I don't want to force myself into Apple's ecosystem.
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What would I do with it, shitpost on /g/?
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It's a workstation, and idiots like you don't need them to shitpost on 4chan.
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>make "workstation"
>doesn't even have ECC VRAM
>mactard "professionals" buy into apple's bullshit anyway

Step aside and make room for a real workstation kiddo.
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>>45379356
But could it run Crysis?
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>>45379356
>512GB RAM
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I have no use for it. I get by on a PowerMac G5 from 2003 just fine, I don't need to drop another $3k+ on a new machine.
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>>45379201
>Name one reason for not purchasing this Godlike machine.

You literally dont need it and can purchase a decent PC for 1/10th the price.

Why spend that much money just to take part in a pissing contest? Mac is playing the Alienware game and the only people that buy that shit are people that will use all they hardware just to play Facebook games.
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Apple fag here

unless you're into video editing, graphics design, auto cad or 3d rendering you're wasting your money buying this machine.

If you like Mac desktops just buy a iMac or mini.
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>>45379530
>if you're into video editing, graphics design, auto cad or 3d rendering you're wasting your money buying this machine.

Fixed.
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>workstation
>non-ecc RAM
>apple internet defense force will defend this
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>>45379453
>imply 512 isn't peanuts
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>>45379548
So if you like games and looking at facebook you should buy it?

wat?
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>>45379201
>Name one reason
It looks like a trash can.
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>>45379580
you should never buy it, period.
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>>45379356
Reminder that you can get a 50th anniversary edition Porsche for couple thousand more
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>>45379558

Whats the difference between the two if you dont mind me asking.
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>>45379201
weak ass underclocked/volted cpu and gpu
that's why

I prefer my performance not to drop like a rock anywhere past idle temps
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>>45380063
ECC RAM is a prerequisite for actually calling something a real workstation.
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>450W PSU
>"workstation GPUs"

top fucking kek
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>>45380109
>>45379558
The Mac Pro has ECC RAM
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no games
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>>45380166
>gaming on a workstation
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>>45379201
its gay
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>>45380179
>not gaming at work
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>>45379356
>>45379989
Reminder that you can get two Javelin missile systems for that price.
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>>45379201
runs hot as fuck
no seriously holy shit updating to mavericks on it feel the thing it's hotter than an HP Pavilion DV-series laptop
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E5 V2 is old news.

http://ark.intel.com/products/81061/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2699-v3-45M-Cache-2_30-GHz
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Tell me something a comp sci student would do with that.
I can write assignments on a cheap ass laptop.
lel
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>buy 4ghz "workstation"
>can only run at 2ghz because ultra shit tier apple "engineering"

>$3000-$10000
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>>45380227

>updating to Mavericks

Mavericks was already out when the Mac Pro became available retard. It never came with Mountain Lion.
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I can build a machine with similar specs for much less.
Runs hot.
Non-standard form factor means I'll have to buy a new one when it's obsolete.
Looks retarded.
I don't need one.
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>>45380162
The video cards do not have ECC memory.
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>>45380320

ECC memory is slower than non ECC, which for 3D rendering and the like means longer compute times. ECC memory on graphics is critical for applications where accuracy is a must, such as in scientific calculations.
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Because even though I love Macs I can't stop thinking that I could build a better setup with half the money. Also MUH GAYMES means installing Windows because that's pretty much the only thing I do with my desktop anyway.

I'd buy it if I was rich, and I mean CEO-of-a-Fortune-500-company rich.
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>>45379356
>RHEL
>Not SLES
enjoy your faggotry systemd
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>>45380217
Please show me where I can buy Javelins as easily as I can get a mac
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>>45380217
How many Jews will that kill?
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>>45380400
Two or three each, depending on the proximity, but you'll never miss.
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>>45380347
See: >>45379558
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>>45379201
cooling is inadequate for a lengthy load

demands more power under load than the power supply is rated to deliver

sacrifices expandability for "muh aesthetics" and "muh innovation"

uses underclocked, non-ECC using FirePro cards
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>>45379201
Cant run GPU and CPU at 100% at the same time.
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>>45380347
>>45380487
Eh not a very good argument. Workstation graphics cards are increasingly being used for scientific applications, and ECC can easily be disabled for better performance when needed.
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I have all the power I want out of a desktop machine (including driving a 4k monitor) for ~$800.
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>>45380410
......I might be back...
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>>45380597
(also, a hackintosh, so I don't miss out on using OS X)
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>>45379211
>I could build one for less
objectively false, not in that formfactor either nontheless
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>>45380628
That's because no respectable company make a 'Trash Can' form factor.
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>>45380628
>objectively false
This.

No one can build a piece of shit this horribly cooled and gimped like Apple.
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The GPUs are already way outdated by several generations. They're the Fire Pro equivalend of the Radeon HD6950/6970.
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>>45380628
Not the guy you're replying to, but I'll chime in anyway.

You're totally right. I could never build a desktop in that form factor, and even if I could it would never be that powerful. No amount of money can change that.

But that's not a sticking point for me. In fact, in the list of criteria that matter to me about a desktop, "size" definitely doesn't rank first, and it's DISTANTLY behind things like price/performance ratio, absolute performance, upgradability, and maybe reliability/maintainability.

I wouldn't be willing to take a significant hit on ANY of those criteria for this size and form factor. I'm sure there are people who are willing (like people who do video editing "in the field" and need essentially a desktop to take with them on shoots), but I'm not even remotely near being in that use case.
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The middle model Mac Mini is perfect. I would not want to mostly waste 3000 euros for looking at pictures of Jessica Biel.
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>>45380645
>>45380639
>>45380628
This is a bad topic. Not only are aesthetics highly subjective, but /g/ is notoriously hypocritical about aesthetic critique. Tons of case manufacturers put out cases that are far and away more ridiculous and retarded than a "trash can" (to whatever extent that should even bother you), but nobody criticizes them.
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>>45379201

Who is this shit supposed to appeal to?

>Captcha: Khazari conscious
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>>45380703
Why is shit so perfect?
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>>45380704
Nobody wants to install Gentoo on a fucking trash can. Fuck off macfag
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>>45380410
What about niggers?
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>>45380162
Mac shill in full force
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>>45380820
i think this is fair. i've installed gentoo on computers that should be IN a trash can.
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>>45380820
>macfag
ad hominem is an embarrassingly desperate kneejerk reaction.
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>>45380258
He may be full of shit, but I still wouldn't be surprised if it had massive problems with heat. Both my iMac and Mac Mini cooked themselves to death when they were actually put in heavy use. Apple puts form ahead of function and stuffs too many components into too tight space without the thermal engineering to make it work.
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>>45381037
Also, never buy the first generation of a new Apple product. It's the number one rule of buying from Apple. They always have problems that get worked out in the second generation.
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>>45381046
>Also, never buy an Apple product. It's the number one rule of buying.

Fixed.
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>>45381082
They make the best laptops by a wide margin. I don't give a shit about /g/'s juvenile Apple hating bullshit, I just get the best tools for the job.
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I don't need one.
I don't want one.
My wife would kill me if I wasted that much money on a computer.
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even imac supports 5k
in your face apple
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>>45381094
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
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>>45379201
Will it still work if I install Windows 8.1 on it?
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>>45381098
Why would you have a wife?
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>>45381124
>>45381102
>800MHz
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>>45381094
I wish I had a job browsing Facebook all day too.
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>>45381144
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>>45380628
Why would you want that airflow-inefficient form factor?
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ITT:

>I live in my mom's basement, but I know better than Apples engineers.
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>>45381199
>Apples engineers

Good joke.
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>>45381199
Hey! He did plug together some glorified lego blocks he ordered form newegg, so he's basically a hardware engineer!
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>>45379989
But can that Porsche run Linux?
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>>45381199
>retards that spent 30 fucking years to code this pile of shit that crashes if you breathe the wrong way near it
>can't even make their own OS
>steal kernel and duct tape their babby GUI over it
>still crashes

>"engineers"
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>>45381208
Linus is a narcissistic asswipe
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>>45381242
>macbabby
>thinks he's entitled to an opinion

How cute.
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>>45381242
That doesn't make what he said wrong.
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>>45381208
sounds like bad boy linus is begging apple to drop the bsd stuff and base their system on linux instead
top
kek
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>>45381208
>>45381250
>>45381263
linus is essentially saying that his own software works well with his own kernel's choices and not very well with another kernel's choices. everything else is rhetoric that isn't justified in the quote.

I hope you all realize this before swallowing his load.
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>>45381273
More like Apple begged Linus to fix their abysmal abomination of an OS, but he took one look at their code and contemplated suicide that such retarded programmers existed.
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>>45381102
mine isnt as bad, but this is still unacceptable for a "pro" laptop
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>>45381273
Darwin isn't too similar to modern FreeBSD neither. He's actually basically saying they SHOULD switch to a modern FreeBSD kernel. And he wouldn't even try to convince them to switch to Linux because of the license.
>>45381276
He's pointing out objective flaws in the kernel. Whether they surfaced while he was testing them or not is irrelevant and they'll also happen to whoever is trying to do something similar.
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>>45381124
Omg...
I really love my thinkpad: 3.5 GHz on all 4 cores. Does not drop.
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>>45381210
here, i'll help you out
>But hey, it's pretty on top. If the Apple engineers actually knew what they were doing, they could use a known superior open-source kernel and put their pretty on top of that instead.
see here? the "superior open-source kernel" is linux. he proposes having apple build their system on top of linux. get it?
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>>45381323
were you trying to reply to this guy?>>45381308
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>>45380704
In the real world, no one chooses a workstation based on how it looks, a regular tower is already not big enough to be an issue.
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>>45381308
>He's pointing out objective flaws in the kernel.
Not necessarily so. Kernel development requires a lot of choices about various tradeoffs.

Here's an example:

BSD based kernels usually use highly abstracted reference counting data structures to make things like copy on write extremely efficient and easy to implement. linux does these things in a bastardized way.

git is not going to do much (or any) copy on write stuff, because it is mostly changing and updating pages, not spawning new processes or updating pages that are referenced.

So, if linux is optimized to handle the git case and BSD/Mach/OS X's kernel is optimized to handle a DIFFERENT case, who are you to say one is objectively better?
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>>45381358
>who are you to say one is objectively better?
tell me where in my post I said a kernel was objectively better than another. I said an objective FLAW.
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>>45381372
>objective FLAW
same thing. it is a choice being made, not necessarily a flaw.
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>>45381240
try coding an OS some time, and then we can tear you apart too scrub lord. better yet, start with hello world in a non-babby language.
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>>45380320
You'll probably be able to upgrade the GPUs to ones with ECC RAM
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>>45381385
When a choice for less performance/security/etc is made, it's meant to have a reason. like FreeBSD being more performance oriented than openBSD but less secure. what was Apple's compensation to the flaws Linus pointed out? what the fuck would you possibly achieve by making a system more prone to page faults?
Face it, some "flaws" are made with a good intention in mind, but that doesn't mean the system in question is perfect and all the bugs and flaws in it are "design choices". That's fucking desperate.
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>>45381405
not the mac pro one thats for sure
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>>45380979
>stating facts is shilling

>>45381308
What is the issue with OS X using XNU? I've used 10.0-10.5.8 and 10.9-10.10 and never really had issues with OS X. Even if the code is shit, it's working well for them.

Although it would be cool to see OS X be based on FreeBSD
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>>45381419
No, the GPUs are replaceable
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Why are mactards allowed on /g/?
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>>45381418
>what the fuck would you possibly achieve by making a system more prone to page faults?
here's one example:

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=29961&seqNum=5
section 4.5.1 How copy-on-write really works
"Turning off write permission in the PTEs of writable pages is the first step of a copy-on-write; it ensures that neither process can write to the page without first causing a page fault."
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>>45381430
I didn't point any issues with it, Linus did.
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>>45381435
good luck finding one you can buy from retailers that will actually work in it
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>>45381438
Because both OS X and Macs are technology.

>>45381442
I know, I'm just saying that I've used most of the versions and it seems to be a pretty good system. Even if it's odd internally, it still works.

>>45381446
I never said you can go and buy one right now.
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>>45381453
right, and you wont be able to buy one in the future. nice try shill
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>>45381453
>Because both OS X and Macs are technology.

lmao
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CYLINDRICAL
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>>45379201
And only $4000!
Now imagine 10 years from now someone looks back and sees this.
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>>45381441
Again, what benefits could you possibly achieve from it? Linus specifically stated he ran into performance issues because of it.
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>>45381457
>implying Apple doesn't have massive third party support
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>>45381460
Like it or not, Apple is the company pushing the technology boundaries. They're the ones who came up with the modern smartphone (Android had to go back to drawing board with their shit when the original iPhone was released), they're the ones who put high resolution screens in the phones, they're the ones who put high resolution screens into laptops, they're the ones who put 5K screen into a consumer computer, etc. etc. etc.

If you want to be in the cutting edge of technology, you need to buy Apple. Or you can wait until the technology trickles down to other manufacturers when they slowly start copying what Apple does.
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>>45381491
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>>45381453
The problem would be
> it's working well for them.
>for them
If you have a dedicated team that is well aware of the system's quirks, every OS in the world is top tier. Doesn't mean the system couldn't be better, and it certainty restricts developers to a niche for certain stuff.
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>>45381491
They pushed some technology boundaries much like most other companies did in other aspects; they simply do what's necessary to sell. There's nothing magical about Apple
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>>45381488
that is one thing they dont, especially with hardware with something like gpus
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>>45381517
If there wasn't anything magical about Apple, they wouldn't be worth $700B and be the most valuable company in the world. Marketing shiny shit can get you far, but not that far. At some point you also need to actually produce the best products in the world, which Apple does.
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>>45381523
I'm not positive it's going to happen, but I wouldn't doubt it.
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>>45381528
That's too big of a load of shit for me to handle. I was going to reply until I realized I'd have to dissect every single word you wrote. >>45381502
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>>45381540
Yeah, you realise how small the Mac Pro market is right? And how much work would go into getting one of these cards slotted into these machines?

You'd be lucky to get over 1000 cards sold per year. The thermal limit prohibits the use of higher end and more profitable GPUs to base the cards on, so you'd not be able to get any profit to recoup the R&D investment.
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>>45381540
how dense are you? this isnt like the old mac pros where you could make a regular gpu that happened to have a firmware that worked in a mac as well, this is proprietary format that would only work in this specific thing, then you have to actually make sure the thing would actually work in the mac.

never will happen, the form factor is a fucking joke as usual and they might as well had soldered everything in place
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>>45381556
You mean you realized that I'm right and you have no counter argument, but your ego won't let you admit it.
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>>45381567
He's the same guy who backed out from the argument where he was saying there was probably a reason for the performance issues on XNU, what did you expect
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>>45381585
That's it.
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>>45380968
doesn't work on niggers that well, that's why usa is getting btfo all the time
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>>45381491
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
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I'm fine with my i5-3570K @ 4.4Ghz + 12Gb RAM + 970

No reason to spend a fortune on placebo that can't be utilized
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>>45379201
OSX is a good reason to not buy this shit.
ATI firegl, no ECC, only a single CPU and no expandability are other good reasons.
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