> you bought an i5-2500k or i7-2600k
nearly 4 years later there's still no compelling reason to upgrade
good job! :)
I-Is it bad that I only have an i5-2500 because I never wanted to overclock my CPU in the first place and then I overclocked it to 4.2GHZ (I keep it at 4.0 due to small cooler) because fuck the police?
the transistor count nearly doubled after them you know. Moore's law slowed down a bit but it did not stop.
The only reason you feel no need to upgrade is because we didnt get a new crysis. Consoles have held us back.
3.7 is stock turbo.
My MSi mobo lets me bump up the multiplier to 40 and then I use FSB to go to 105% if I want 4.2ghz but I usually don't as my poor little TX3 gets loud with 2 92mm fans.
Pirate Islands is based on a new manufacturing process, so it's prone to being delayed or having low yields (which makes insane prices).
I'd just go for a 970 now if you're coming from a shit old card.
I know these feels. Only thing I'm missing is native USB3, SATA3, and UEFI for muh boot times.
But performance wise it still feels high-end, banchmarks be damned.
>tfw running 4.2GHz in air for 4 years
If you don't run anything CPU intensive to begin with you could probably still roll with a Q6600.
There is definitely compelling reason to upgrade for some people, but for "muh games" or other casual shit you're right.
Maybe if Intel didn't make their six-core chips exclusive to an expensive ass chipset that requires expensive ass DDR4 RAM. That shits hard to justify even if you can leverage the extra performance.
When I saw the $300 price tag on the CPU, I thought I might get it. Even after the $200 mobo, I decided I could give intel my shekels, but with the extra $6,000,000 I would have to spend on RAM, fuck that
Still better than AMD. At least you can play Mass Effect 1
Core2Duo with SSD still work fucking great nowadays anon, there is no need to be ashamed at all.
I gifted a c2d laptop to my lil bro and its still working better than some new celeron laptops sold right now.
Intel literally monopolized the x86/x86-64 CPUs departments, so they don't see any reason to improve.
On the opposite, their CPUs are getting worse in a way, but whatever, it's "the only choice" for high performance, right?
>their CPUs are getting worse in a way
They're meeting market demands. Fewer and fewer people are building their own PCs or actually needing their top line CPUs on a singular basis while cloud services/parallel computing increases the demand for the best $/FLOP kWH/FLOP performance respectively.
I bought an 8320, it'll be 5-7 years before I need to think about overclocking.
My little brothers 2600k died a week ago.
As in - machine check exception - RIP inexact, etc...
Might also have been the mainboard.
We decided to upgrade to an 4790k along with a new mainboard.
Then gonna find out which of the two died and sell the one that works.
>you bought an c2d-e7400 in 2008
still no compelling reason to upgrade
Bang for buck the 8320 was worth it coupled with a motherboard. The same upgrade for Intel would have easily been 300 bucks. I spent 230 on a mobo, cpu and 212.
Intel is good but I like my shekels more. I have an old fermi 570 gtx, probably gonna get a 280x or 290 in december.
AMD in this bitch, it feels so wrong.
My old chipset was 1155 so I would have had to get a new mobo with the intel cpu and it would have been around 300 bucks. Sort of regretting it but I wanna see if AMD is actually as shitty as everyone says.
And you know nothing about engineering or physics. Do you really believe that it's trivial just to add in a core (or two) at the chip densities that Intel work with? The socket layout exists for a reason and the old sockets don't necessarily deliver the most efficient performance to a new socket designed for the new architecture.
mfw I have a [email protected], 8GB RAM, 7950s in CFX running 7970 shaders and don't understand what anyone is talking about lag in FC4/W_D with their fancy Devil's Canyon Maxwell Volcanic Islands bullshit
>Devil's Canyon Maxwell Volcanic Islands bullshit
[email protected]=because I dont need to OC(member of stable 5GHz club)
Feels goodman.orc to be elite of elite, quad GTX980Ti cant bottleneck this puppy
One of best buys in my life...
Second was when I bought 4850 at the day of release and it broke 1 year after, so I got 4890 (and around 250$ back , prices were lowered)with prolonged varranty,cycle repeated once a year until 6950 3gb(that motherfucker worked until the end of varranty)
I-Is it time for an upgrade?
I would love to get a R9 290x or 970 (which one) for now and then make a huge upgrade (perhaps with ddr4) in a year or two. Or I could do it now, getting Devil's Canyon and two 970. Thing is I'm kinda tight on money and I'm not sure if I can pull it off. What do /g/onorrhoidaleuxipershalx
And shitty plugin forgot to upload pic.
...and that's where I fucked.
Micro ATX 350D w/ Z77 Micro-ATX. The 670 can barely fit in there.
>go to atx
Case, Mobo, Thermal Paste.. is it worth it?
At this point I should make a new one.
bought an i7 920 almost 6 years ago, still no reason to upgrade, I recently upgraded my GPU that was more than enough.
that said, I will probably upgrade next year anyways.
Was one of the first here doing a few benchmarks to show it off. Original date: Thursday, March 17, 2011
I have that itch to build a new machine but there is 0 reason too, with the thermal performance of the newer chips they are a massive downgrade.
Huh? You can SLi on mATX, if you don't need slots for anything else.
old as fuck sunspider results
I won't take a pic of the inside of my 350D, as you would puke, but the situation is that with this mobo (Z77 Professional-M) I honestly just can't.
As a matter of fact, the card currently is on the 2nd pci-e slot, wouldn't even fit on the 1st as it collides with the 6 3.5mm jack hub.
more old shit, had to have just booted it up at this point and came straight to /g/
Original date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011
but the 350d has clearance for the gpu to span the entire depth of the case
The 350D is honestly cash, small and sexy. The thing is the fucking motherboard. At the time I was going for a small red-themed thingy and that was the only real available offer (pls no haterino for gaymen brand)
Also would getting like, LGA2011, 4930K and dual 970 be worth it? I don't feel like going to DDR4 as it's too expensive yet, going with devil's canyon would be cheaper but I want to be future proof for a while. Going with the 4930k/X79 would be a good idea?
You can't really overclock them but the turbo setting lets them run at a higher clock rate when needed, so like 95% of the time its at stock or lower clocks
Maybe worth getting an AMD R9 295X2 instead? It's two R9 290s on one card, with an integrated liquid cooler you can easily mount in a 350d.
Obviously you pay a premium for such an esoteric card, but it's still gonna be cheaper than replacing your CPU, case and motherboard that are completely fine performance-wise.
>Overclocking is retard.d
The only people who can say this are ones who cannot do it. Who wouldn't want another 30% or more performance for free?
My 2500k has been running at 4.6GHz for over 3 years now with no problems at all.
I dont have i7 920 but I know Intel went to far with those CPUs,are still viable CPUs. they realised with that technology they dont have to do anything else but to refine it,
If someone would offer me i7-990X Extreme Edition and newest AMD flagship CPU, I would take Intel in a heartbeat.
>yfw I'm still using Core 2 Duo processors on my personal machines and still haven't needed to upgrade
>yfw I'll be using these for the next five years still
>yfw my next machine is going to be an ARM cluster, with the only display being an AR projected desktop through Oculus-style goggles
do you have a source on that?
my kill-A-Watt doesnt show 60% rise in power use and i get way more than 2% increase.
Not a bad idea, honestly.
The price also looks really sexy, I have found it at 900€ or more.
Thing is that rad scares me. I wouldn't know where to put it honestly. I already have a H80 placed on the rear exhaust fan because on top it wasn't fitting. Where I'm supposed to place this?
Surely over performance and with this price is well worth it over the 970 (getting two would cost me around 800 with shipping alone) but... idk. Is it worth it? I have never looked into these dual processors hybird monsters.
Maybe on some chips but I certainly don't see that kind of power difference on mine. At 4.7/4.8 my required voltage starts skyrocketing but 4.6 hardly required anything more than 4.4.
And on top of that, it rarely ever runs at its full 4.6GHz anyways and if it needs the extra performance then I don't really care about the extra power use.
I feel with you. I was really hoping that AMD would come out with something good at that time but instead we got shitdozer. Then I picked up the i-2500k and it's been great.
I got it for $150 at mc. I probably should have bought one when they were 100 as a spare.
The top of the 350d is supposed to fit a double radiator...
Cause you're measuring from the wall, which is using far more power than just from the CPU(HDD, Fans, MB, GPU, PSU overhead). CPU should just be a fraction and unless you are running at 100% cpu usage 24/7 it really makes no difference.
Why would I want to overclock my 2500k? Does it have any advantages in gaming? Browsing? Or is it simply to have a louder fan and increased bsod's?
Obviously it's hugely advantageous in gaming as can be seen in this chart.
How does the top slot clash with the 3.5mm jacks? It's nowhere near.
This is the situation now.
It's the H80 rad probably that's in the way.
Back when I built it there was no way I could manage to fit it on top. The tubes also were a pain.
I also tried to install a 120mm up there as an exhaust but it wouldn't even fit becuase of the cpu cables on the left and the dvd drive on the right.
Now I honestly wouldn't know how to fit that behemoth of a card inside here. Card lenght is not an issue, the tubing and rad is.
I could post more pictures to show the mess if necessary.
>dvd drive is not plugged
Plug and play whenever is necessary. I managed to fit 2HDD and 2SSD in there so yeah.
Another picture of the "issue".
>flip the rad around
Doesn't change a thing. Actually, it makes things just worse because the tubing doesn't really love to be twisted around.
I use the drive every now and then but that doesn't address what the issue is.
Getting a slim fan is a good idea, the problem is that the R9 295X2 has that monstruosity of a 120mm rad + fan that's probably as wide (5cm) as the H80 rad is. That wouldn't fit on the top nonetheless.
I could think of a custom mount somewhere but at this point I should just get an ATX and be done with it.
You're allowed to install a radiator in the front intake if you must, it's just not as efficient as an exhaust.
<- works for this rich faggot.
>hey I need to add a stick of ram
>or plug a sata in
Fractal Design XL-R2 I'm looking at you.
Aside from this, that behemoth (295x2) has fucking 500w TDP. Would a 850W be enough for everything to breathe? (perhaps i7, 16gb ram, all the coolers + fans, 4 hdd / sdd)
>You're allowed to install a radiator in the front intake if you must, it's just not as efficient as an exhaust.
why would a radiator that get's fresh air be less efficient than a radiator getting cooled by already pre-heated air from inside the case?
> We have seen the complete PC draw over 600W Watt, a 850 Watt PSU as such is the minimum we recommend.
More efficient for the thing being cooled, but it raises the ambient temperature of your case so all the passively cooled shit like vregs suffers for it.
>two fucking non-downclocked R9 290x on a single bandwith
>same specs as two cards, but in one pcb
>plus the "cute" radiator
>500w is surprising for you
Do you even?
It says 850w-1000w.
Now I know going ham on the psu is stupid, but the RM850 I have now is pretty damn perfect and I wouldn't like to change it only if necessary.
350w is enough for all the other machinery equipment? Even under slight overclock + future upgrades?
There are people on /g/ that literally think a 4970k isn't a major upgrade over a 2600k? There are literally people this stupid?
>2600k is 20% lower IPC
>2600k has no AVX2, no modern features or extensions
>2600k has substantially higher power consumption
>2600k doesn't have 3d transistors
Enjoy your obsolete tech if you want, but don't lie to others and tell them your garbage is relevant or good.
Do you think the RM850 is a good quality PSU?
Could run what you call "Wangblows" for 40 days straight without turning off, and doing some heavy load everyday for those days. The only reason I turned it off is because I wanted to.
>350w is enough for all the other machinery equipment? Even under slight overclock + future upgrades?
According to HWMonitor my i5 2500K pulls about 125-130 watts with Intel Burn Test running at 2.6GHz, YMMV with binning an what voltages you need at your overclock. 850W should leave you with plenty enough headroom for the rest of the system as well.
And I didn't even need to overclock it yet. Will buy a big cooler and replace the thermal paste after Christmas and go wild on the jiggahurts.
There's a thing that puzzles me though.
Is the 4790k just an overclocked 4770k? Is it worth that 30€ more? Honestly the only thing that makes me differ it from the 4770k is the "top" factor.
>wow you got a 970 instead of a 980? what are you, poor?
Even though performance-wise they don't justify their price difference.
> replacing your CPU and motherboard for 20% more performance, when nearly everything is GPU or IO bound anyway
>2600k has substantially higher power consumption
I don't know what the situation is with the i7 line, but if you overclock the 2500K and 4670K to equal clocks, the Haswell will actually use MORE power. Only stock the power consumption is lower, and even then not by much. And it'll still be only 5% faster than the Sandy Bridge at the very most, in some applications even slightly slower.
tl;dr Intel haven't improved their CPUs at all since Sandy Bridge.
Yep, my 2600k is still doing just fine. Only thing i've upgraded is my video card. I think I might be able to go another generation or until the graphics card makers max out PCIe X16 and they come out with some new standard. (unless they already have and i'm a slowpoke).
Just got a hyper 212 and a couple noctua fans today. Sound of silence at 4.7 on my i5-2500k running prime95 feels good man.
So if I don't give close to a quarter of shit about overlcocking I should get a 4770k?
>Then again, we can also remember situations when a single AMD Radeon R9 295X2 managed to shut down a PSU (PCGH, 1200W Enermax Platimax), or even destroy it outright (Tom's Hardware, Corsair AX860i). In these cases, the power supplies should have had more than enough capacity to handle the hardware.
I just shat a brix.
Eh, built a e4500 C2D computer back in like '07. Got a T430 in '13. About to build a i5-4590 system. The thinkpad was nothing short of a disappointment. Looking forward to having a beast computer so I can actual get some VM's going.
Is the 4590 the best thing for me, bang for buck wise? I do not plan to overclock. I just want something current and with V-Pro
I think the biggest difference between the two is really the thermal compound they used inside the package, the Devil's Canyon is supposed to be a bit better for overclocking because of it. It also finally gets VT-d support.
If you don't plan on OCing then the fact that its turbo values are a good bit higher are nice I guess.
Keep telling yourself that upgrade was worth it.
I get chips for cheap off intel retail edge. Get on my level kiddo. Got a 4790k coming for xmas for $99. There is no excuse not to upgrade your processor if you shop smart. I upgrade my processor & mb every 6 months with each new intel retail edge.
>Bought an i5-750 like 6 years ago
>STILL no reason to upgrade
Thanks wintel monopoly
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The other models are priced at 1100€ or more (pic related)
They are £500 inc VAT in the UK, which is €628. Sounds about right.
> caring about 27 watts in a desktop
>bought an i7-2620m
>got an i7-2860qm from work
>never use my i7-2620m anymore
Maybe this is just mobile processors, but EVERYTHING is slower on my 2620m. Significantly. I write in C, Haskell, and Scala; the 2620m takes longer to do similar tasks, and has worse battery life.
Thinking about upgrading to an X1 Carbon to ease my misery.
There are VERY significant differences between the two processors, one is dual core with hyperthreading and the other is quad with hyperthreading.