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Advertising is the cancer of Internet. It pretty much ruined online journalism (pageview whoring breeds sensationalism, at the expense of journalistic integrity), not to mention all the privacy-related concerns that arise from targeted advertising.

Ad-blockers are one possible cure, but most people don't know about them. Many Internet message boards forbid discussing them, and often threaten to ban those who do.

So let's spread the word, faggots. Social media, blogs, forums, anything, just spread it.
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>>45351511
>Many Internet message boards forbid discussing them, and often threaten to ban those who do.

I have never seen this happen on any of the forums that I am a member of. Which one(s) in particular?
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>>45351521
shillcoin.org
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Wow it sure is interesting that advertising ruined *online* journalism. I wonder how offline journalism escaped such a fa-
oh.
oh that's right. OP is a 14-year old faggot who doesn't know anything.
that was close.
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>>45351511
What do you suggest then? People hate paywalls even more than ads, and donations don't work. Flattr was a really cool idea, but it didn't really take off.
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>>45351545
kek'd
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>>45351511
Many sites no longer work properly when an ad blocker is turned on. What we need are stealth ad blockers which fool the site in believe its ads are being displayed when in fact they're hidden.
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>>45351559
This.

Journalism being fucking terrible isn't exclusive to online content. Regardless of the format, it's all about people seeing the content.
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Might as well ask here

Is there ANY reason to use adblock edge over ABP if I have "allow some non-intrusive advertising" checkdox disabled
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>>45351511
>Advertising is the cancer of World.

FTFY

When those glasses get done i'm going to program something that erases every ad in the street as well.
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>>45351562
Suggest less obtrusive ads. 4Chan is a perfect example.
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http://lwn.net/
>subscription for reading new articles right away
>old articles available freely
>no fucking ads
>quality articles
Yet to find an other good example of journalism.
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>>45351583
anyone?
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>>45351583
Depending on who you ask it's either important or not at all, but:

- support for an alternative -> no monopoly
- ABE seems to be a little faster, but then again, it might be just a placebo
- never think about "now" -> such moves as "we add this or that functionality" might result in "we know better what you need" in the future
- blue icon instead of red one
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>>45351659
Interesting. I'd love to support this fork if he actually updated it in time for nightly.
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>>45351511

No, please don't do this.

Advertising only works because a smallish percentage of morons click it, these are the people who create a market for advertising.

The problem for people who dislike ads such as myself is that advertisers aren't able to reliably target just the susceptible idiots, so they have to blanket spam everyone and work off small returns.

Adblock has solved that problem by allowing the smart people who do not wish to see ads to simply and easily block them.

This is good for us because the idiots who cause this problem in the first place have to suffer the ad scourge they encourage and in the process it pays for content for the rest of us that would otherwise be behind a pay wall.

This is an ideal solution for the users and the advertisers, it's just not a good solution for the sites who rely on ad revenue as a business model to supply their content.

Think about it for a second...if you wanted to advertise and you pay a fixed cost for each 1000 views...if you let people who do not want to see your ads use adblock then you pay the same amount for the same amount of views (since blockers don't DL the ad they don't trigger a view) and hence you know that a greater percentage of your 1000 views are going to those people who are more susceptible to ads and are more tolerant and open to viewing them.

Journalism being corrupt will always be a problem, there is always some correlation between number of views and revenue stream, it doesn't matter if each user pays a little bit directly or pays via some proxy like ads, outlets are still encouraged to provide clickbait in order to bring in customers.

The best thing you can do is simply support the places that you believe are doing a good and honest job and spread the word about why they're superior. Support the patreons for indie journalists and bloggers to keep providing wholesome content and consume that.
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>>45351671
Disable extensions' compatibility check and it should work just great.
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>>45351677
Linus pls go
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plugins like ABP started because as Ads on websites started popping up, websites wanted more and more clicks and created more and more annoying ads.

ABP was used to combat those pop up or pop under or ads just makes a website to slow.

But as much as we wish for an adless internet, content in website costs money, hosting the content costs money.

Money has to come from somewhere.

The new way of making money now is to track your internet habits. Many websites now have cookie tracking and can track when and what website you go to. companies that deploy them on website can essentially get your digital signature and find out your surfing habits and then sell this data to companies that wants it to make more effective target ads elsewhere.
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>>45351789

But tracking habits is completely worthless if you cannot advertise to that person at some point, ABP removes damn near all adverts so the fact that they've profiled your habits doesn't really matter.
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>>45351677
If the market is for idiots they will write articles for idiots. Don't expect a quality article from a journalist who writes his/her articles for people who can't even install an ad blocker.
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>>45351511
I've been waiting for someone to say this. It's been something that's been on my mind lately.
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>>45351677
Well written and insightful
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>>45352120
>insightful
+5
we slashdot now
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Speaking of which, what news sites are decent? I only know some Russian ones by proxy of it being my native language and even those started paywalling everything this year.
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>>45352318
Russia Today
Fox News
4chan
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>>45351588
4chan has ads? Holy fuck never noticed them.
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my favourite tech site (tweakers) needs ads to survive. Fuck you OP not every site can survive without ads
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>>45351789
The idea of adblocking started with browsers (it might've been Firefox first, don't remember) getting "popup blockers". Then someone realized he could hide divs named "ads" with an extension. One thing led to another... and now I can watch jewtube without ads playing or popping up.
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>>45351511
silly humans

Advertising is not the cancer, it's just one symptom.

The cancer is the fact that you're still using money and forcing everyone to get it just to survive.
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>>45352326
Epic bait bro

I rate nine out of eleven
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Services like flattr need to become more common so people can easily support stuff they like without having to deal with ads.
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>>45352318
euronews is good imo gives a minimal amount of slant
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>>45351511
Ad-blockers are not a cure to sponsored content, and THAT is what ruined online "journalism." Well that and the flood of "journalists" who got their BA in Indie Music Magazine Production and started a Wordpress blog.

The sort of ads which ad-blockers affect are the least troublesome part of the internet. In fact that's probably why ad-blockers can handle them so effectively.
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>>45352008
Underrated post.
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Solution?
Seamless, integrated ads.

Shit that blends with the color scheme, that looks part of the site.
Not fucking popups, chrome extension installs that are forced on you, and .exe files with names of shit you want to download, not to mention when you click on a link on the same site that leads to the site you have a 10sec "skippable" ad.

That shits gay.

Granted, they won't bring the attention that traditional ads do, but it works.
That's why newspaper ads were really working, shit's all black and white, works good, when color print took off it became more and more shit.

Color ruins everything.
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>>45351511

I miss when websites had "that one banner ad" that everyone could just ignore.
You shouldnt even NEED an ad blocker.

I blame YouTube. They're the ones that pioneered intrusive ads then got butthurt when people got fed up and started blocking them.

Google is so fucking passive aggressive it isnt even funny. Even in Captcha. You get number captchas if you're a good goyim and dont block Google cookies. When you block their cookies you get harder captchas. People have actually made threads about this shit.

Livestream did the same thing years ago. They started covering live streams with video ads and got really butthurt when people blocked them when they didnt want unskippable ads ON A FUCKING LIVE STREAM.
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Are internet ads even effective? I feel like companies are throwing their money away by spending money on internet ads. I mean don't the successful youtubers base their fortune on ad money? Do companies actually make profit by displaying ads on youtube? Does anyone even read internet ads? Are there studies that prove if it's profitable or not?
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>>45351511
Are you literally 12?

Also, the less people know about it, the better. Fuck them. They don't care about their bandwidth nor their privacy, so why do they deserve to get the shit.
>implying adblock is underground shit only gentoomen use

Nonetheless, OP's a faggot trying to bait, furthermore ruining /g/.
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>tfw ┬ÁBlock will never come to Firefox in your lifetime
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>>45351511
Then, at least, advertise Adblock Edge and similar "free" alternatives that are NOT ADBLOCK PLUS.

http://www.h-online.com/newsticker/news/item/Serious-accusations-against-AdBlock-Plus-1897360.html
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>>45354179
I have retarded relatives that regularly buy things they see on internet ads. Stuff like motherfucking registry cleaner pro.

So yes, I'd say they do work.

Ever since I set up ABP for them they haven't installed any retarded scamware.
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>>45354539
I'm perfectly fine with advertisers paying the ABP extortion fee. Feels good to cost them even more money by not only blocking their shit but having them fund it as well.
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>>45354497
Yes my friend, I wish faggots like OP would off themselves so normalfags could get blasted with ads 24/7 and only people competent enough to be able to block them could enjoy the net in peace. Seriously OP you are cancer.
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>>45354559
>ABP
i hope your relatives enjoy the botnet
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>>45351511
Ad blocking software has failed as a product because, surprise, it does not advertise. The creators of the original AdBlock are currently trying to buy advertisements for their product. There are about 2 billion people on the internet, and but only 80 million of them use AdBlock, which is about 4%.

Even though their app is popular, it is no where near as popular as it could be because of the lack of advertisement. This proves that AdBlock hurts the companies it blocks. I cannot wait to see AdBlock ads blocked by AdBlock. That will be wonderful.

People who use AdBlock are leeching off of a system that was never designed to function without ads. Two years ago I was one of them, but I uninstalled it because I was missing out on local ads for things that were actually good.

Here is a pro tip for those of you using social media without AdBlock:

Keep a serious social media profile that you use exclusively for work/school. Only subscribe, search, and view things you are actually interested in. Keep a separate profile for trolling, watching YouTube garbage, flaming, pornography, and torrents. If you do this, you will never see another stupid ad on YouTube again on your legit account. If you make it difficult for the software to figure out what you actually like, it's going to start throwing garbage at you. My troll profile is so fucked up from 1 year of random browsing that Google thinks that I speak 4 languages, even though I do not. Ad software is still quite dumb, but instead of blocking it, you should be helping to a better job.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/08/21/use-of-ad-blocking-is-on-the-rise/
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>>45354584
hope your're not serious
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>>45354539
https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads

Fuck off
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>>45354753
>I cannot wait to see AdBlock ads blocked by AdBlock. That will be wonderful.

You really think AdBlock is gonna suffer because people who already use their fucking service can't see their adverts? Like are you really this fucking retarded?
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I've learned that it's best not to assist people when it comes to things related to computers for free and I will not be spreading the word of adblockers. If you seriously believe in 2014 that there is not such a thing as an "adblocker", you deserve to be hit with as many ads as possible.

Ads are not bad and actually provide a webmaster with funds to continue the work that they're doing. Only reason ads have gotten out of hand is due to adblockers in my opinion. You say that websites make you click through pages to get information, that's due to adblockers. Why? Adblockers don't actually "block" the ads, they just hide them, which means the webmaster is still getting your hit, not your click though. Which that increases your rpm and other factors come into play, but views are a big hit when it comes to factoring your pay.

Sorry for the rouge response, hope you understand.
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>>45355467
>>45354753
Holy shit talk about the nose.Fuck this stupid "oh its like copyright, oh you're hurting the website owner" Do you really think I give a fuck? I'm trying to enjoy your website and I got shit on the sides and on top of what I'm trying to read. Pop ups. audio ads. Fuck all that and fuck anyone that doesn't use adblock because they think they are helping. IF the person is good he/she will receive donations. Simple as that Plus most of these people spew this shit saying it hurts us even though they are making enough with donations etc to fund the page and keep it online. But no they're greedy and want to make a living doing whatever half assed shit they do.


grrrr
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>>45351677
You dont have much idea how advertising works. Advertising is more psicological than "click baiting", its about the way you perceive it.

For example: you see Nokia ads all the time. You need to change mobile phone, you go to the shop and you see the different mobile phones. You start looking names and you dont know what to pick, until you see Nokia and suddenly: ohh its the one I saw somewhere, it must be good.

Maybe the example is not that good but thats how it works. Most times you dont even notices the ads on a site, but your brain does and stores that information somewhere in your head. Australis, your beloved FF UI is based on this principle.
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>>45355467
>Adblockers don't actually "block" the ads, they just hide them

lol
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>>45352362
>The idea of adblocking started with browsers (it might've been Firefox first, don't remember) getting "popup blockers"
Before this, people would block ad servers with their hosts file.
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Just put your fucking ads at the bottom of every web page or have a side drawer with all your gay ads in them.
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>>45356643
Then how do you expect as many people as possible to see them and (accidentally) click them?
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>>45354414
Is adblock edge free and open software?
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>>45351588
>4Chan is a perfect example
good goy
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>>45357692
Yes
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>>45351511
No. Bad advertising is. I'm actually willing to turn mine off on occasion if the ad's aren't intrusive to begin with. See the ones on 4chan? You get one on the top of the page and another one on the bottom and they don't do anything to interrupt your reading. Try the Pirate Bay if you want to see some really crazy shit.
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I was a member in good standing at a particularly popular tech website (for almost a decade, with nearly 10,000 posts and 40,000 thanks ratings so I was pretty damned useful there). I had Adblock Plus set up to not block the ads from that site but I had NoScript set up to block ads from certain domains that were known to have malicious intent.

One time a few years ago I snapped a screenshot to show one of the Admins (the site owner, actually) a particular glitch that myself and other people had noted in the forum software - something easily fixed but it was only happening for those of us using Adblock Plus at the time, of course. Might have been done on purpose to "weed out the ad blocking scum" I suppose.

Anyway, I shared the screenshot and of course the ad on that particular page view was not shown (NoScript caught it) - there was only like a tiny sliver of the space where the ad would have been displayed show in the screenshot, like 9 pixels of content that was simply black because the ad was blocked.

The one fucking time I happened to actually block an ad from a known malicious domain I got "caught" and the site owner banned me as an ad blocker, then went even further to try and shame me in the forums with several posts about me claiming "that guy is stealing food from the mouths of my children by not supporting this website."

>had 14 stickies there with long instructional posts teaching people a wide variety of topics
>had the respect of the dozen or so Moderators
>had been asked to be a Mod a half dozen times and always turned the opportunity down
>met the site owner at a site gathering one time and hit it off great
>even got offered the chance to work for the site as a paid reviewer and turned that down as well
>did nothing but help that site for ~10 years and never asked for much of anything in return
>one fucking time, one fucking screenshot
>fuck online ads, all of them, forever
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>>45358437
The proper course of action there is to send a message asking to be reinstated, and if they don't see sense issue a DMCA takedown to their hosts for any and all content you posted there as a "fuck you"
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>>45352008
Then there is no problem. You won't read articles for idiots so you will never see them. Problem solved.
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>>45351577
uBlock does just this.
Chrome masterrace.
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>>45358625
This. Was on a forum that did that, and when they banned me for blocking the malware ads, I asked to be reinstated. When they refused, I DMCA'd their site for all my content, including the forum theme. Left them reeling so hard the entire forum folded.
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I like ads

People who don't know how to block them pay for the internet so I don't have to
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>>45351511
why doesn't firefox just integrate it?
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>Get more people to use adblock
>They whitelist sites they like, so long as the ads are non intrusive
>Keep blacklisting sites with poor content
>Sites learn to stop using intrusive ads and produce better content
>??????
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>>45351511
There is so many things wrong with this post that the entire thread just needs to be deleted from existance.
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>>45351864
No - it's worthless if it doesn't lead to something that increases profit/sales. Even if you don't SEE the ads, they have their impact on the quality and bent of reviews that a site you and your demographic frequent. You never have to see the ad, if the money from buying the ad twists reviews, opinions and story angles in the advertiser's favor.
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I wonder if Ninite can install adblock/edge on chrome and firefox.
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>>45359928
>existance

either trolling softly or using a third rate browser w/o integrated spellcheck.

Care to elaborate? What's wrong with this thread? You aren't Jewish are you?
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>>45352381
I can't even disagree with this.
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>>45360006
>trying to spread the word about using an adblocker on 4chan... especially /g/....come on
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>>45351511
I'm actually fine with ads just as long as they are stills I fucking hate video adverts or animated .gif adverts
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>>45358625

Do you really think that someone wouldn't try to get reinstated? Please.

As for the DMCA, it's in the TOS for most websites that whatever you choose to post at said sites becomes their property and they can do as they please with it, this site in particular is/was no different so that's a wash as well.

It sucked when it happened but, fuck 'em, the owner is in a lot of financial trouble nowadays anyway, already lost his wife, his kids, his home, and soon the website will be under new management that I happen to already know.

I won't be returning even with the new owner and layout but, Karma's a bitch.
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>>45361453
Still ads can be just as annoying. For instance sites that have like 20 download buttons and 19 of them are ads.
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Stealth advertising is the cancer of the internet

http://brianford.newsvine.com/_news/2012/08/12/13234078-samsung-hired-a-marketing-agency-to-fake-blog-about-its-products
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>>45356563

Wireshark it bitch.
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>>45355836

You're prob not even a website owner.
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>>45351511
>So let's spread the word, faggots. Social media, blogs, forums, anything, just spread it.
Just posted a status about it on Facebook.
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>>45364646
>Wireshark it bitch
There is two kinds of filter: network and cosmetic. Network filters block. Cosmetic filters hide. Cosmetic filters apply to portion of the DOM, which can't obviously be network-blocked as a single resource. It's that simple.
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>>45367251

Point being they're not blocked, they're simply hidden/removed, but they'll still load. Also last time I checked a browser addon doesn't have access to iptables, but I could be wrong.
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>>45364646
>he uses Google Chrome
LOLOLOL
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>>45367285

> doesn't know firefox does the same

Poor thing.
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>>45367299
adblock on ffox doesn't even let the GET request happen. it's google chrome's engine that only lets you hide the element in question.
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>>45367284
>Point being they're not blocked
Can't you read? "Network filters block"
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>>45367341
>google chrome's engine that only lets you hide
FUD. I did check, Chromium blocks. Can't we stick with science and leave religious zealotry alone when it comes to browser? ffs
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>>45367366
Not him but that used to be the case, Chrome changed though so they can block the requests now.
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>>45351511
It's a shame because the concept of advertizing itself is highly beneficial to the economy at large and it can be a fascinating field to study.

But America abused the shit out of it and introduced a general disrespect for the public and now there's not an inch of trust left in that industry.
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>>45367386
>they can block the requests now
"now" meaning "since 2011"
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Ads in any shape or form have always been a constant stream of annoyance in my life and I'm happy to block them everywhere I can.
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>>45367397
>advertizing itself is highly beneficial to the economy at large
Ugh. Advertising, by essence, is BS, and consequently is detrimental to honesty, respect, facts, science, etc. That an healthy economy is not possible without BS I don't buy it.
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>>45351511
>let's block all ads
>to have an ad free internet
>despite the fact they're often the way that websites pay for servers
I don't think /g/ understands how paying to keep a website running works.
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>People who use AdBlock are leeching off of a system that was never designed to function without ads.

The web was fine when there were no ads. I have a web site and email that I paid and people can see what I write and contact me. That's all.
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>>45367448
This is what I'm talking about. People react to ads like SJWs react to dick jokes. "How DARE you try to sell me something?!"

When you think about ads, you think about the senseless bullshit that interrupts your shows. Shit like "you are the 10 millionth visitor" or "click the fart button to win an ipod". Not ads for the red cross or some other charity organization. Not the superbowl ads that are basically short movies with high production value and entertainment potential.

You're right by saying it's bullshit and detrimental to honesty, respect, facts and science but it's not "by essence". It could be and has been an economical driver and a cultural powerhouse.
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>>45351588
> 4Chan is a perfect example.
The site that breaks even, and where the mods work for free?
top kek
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>>45367484

Perhaps it's better to just let those websites die then.
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>>45367507
>implying
Facebook will find another way make 100B off user data before your "utopia internet" will ever come into fruition.
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>>45367507
that would be most of the web. let me guess, you honestly think a server costs little to nothing to keep up.
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>>45367484
That's the reality of their market. People can effortlessly block ads. If they can't find a creative way to monetize content they deserve to die.

I can guarantee you crowdfunding will replace advertizing for the most part. It's fucking perfect. You sell the user a product on the basis that it will only exist with the his or her support. Then you don't even have to deliver a quality product at all.
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>>45367535
You can serve hundreds if not thousands of concurrent visitors with a 10$ a month VPS. nginx and company are GOOD mate.
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>>45367484
I am pretty sure ad brokers don't like the idea of other business models than ad-based ones, so I expect them to denigrate anything else than ad-based business models as impossible, as if the ad-based business model is a law of the universe.
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>>45367491
>"How DARE you try to sell me something?!"
It's more like "Yeah yeah, I know, you're the best of course. Now just fuck off"
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>>45367540
>crowdfunding

Scammer please
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I don't see why anyone has a problem with the current state of affairs. I can use adblock, people can run websites out of the few suckers who won't run adblock. Of course the people who call it "immoral" to use adblock are just saying I ought to sit down during TV commercials and watch them all, as well, and that's just plain retarded. Accept the risk inherent to advertisement OR come up with a better product, instead.
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>>45367571
>Scammer please
Unlike ads, right?
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Is EasyPrivacy enough to not be tracked?
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>>45367540
>Then you don't even have to deliver a quality product at all.
But the add is what you've done in the past.
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>>45351583
Not worrying about what future updates will sneak in.
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>>45367604
pls
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>>45367576

Just wait until all of the web is stored on ad networks, like Google is trying to do.

No blocking ads when whatever you're trying to see is behind a 1000 proxies
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>>45367491
More like "How DARE you try to interrupt my browsing with your malware-laden ad asking me to download animated cursors like it's 1999"
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>>45367604
It's probably decent against advertising companies but it's a blacklist so it can be circumvented if they put some effort.
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